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It is good to see that old veterans like we are still able to project. I advise you to check this out:

Lucid dreams / intermediate projections:
- zooming on distant objects in a row (at least 3-4 times)
- getting back your body in the opposite direction, with the intent of internal projection and reseparation (not well tested in all types of projections)
- regularly observing details of various objects at very short range (will dramatically increase gamma brain activity, causing powerful lucid dreams)

Astral projections:
- flying upward (if you survive it, your subjective time is protected by relativistic time distortion, but you will suffer from weak memories)

If the evidence of OBEs is the existence of something which is located outside the body, then OBE is real. Without interaction there could not be perception.

Moreover, consciousness is nowhere, but could be everywhere, because it could be associated to anything, but we are unable to measure it due to the fact that we doesn't know what it is. Ergo consciousness seems to be a non-local phenomena. In my opinion, we are likely some kind of sensory devices of our nonlocal Higher Selves.

If RTZ-OBE could not prove the possibility that "consciousness" is, at least temporary, able to exists outside of our body, than our waking life either couldn't prove that we're currently inside our body.

I'm glad you got my message, Fat_Turkey and there is no need for apologies. I was straightforward with you because I've been think that your problem require that handle. However, after reading your new posts I realised I was wrong.

I was tought that you are some veteran projector who is taking an ego trip or being under a serious attack. I've come from the point of view that XYZ wishing sweet dreams and purple spiritual smokes, nothing will change. Regarding the lives of astral projectors, your problem seemed to be the most serious (and funny) I was able to imagine.

But you are young and seems not as angry as I expected, so I suppose my ego is bigger than yours. However, assuming that your purpose is clear for you and you got Mustardsead great message, I'm still to think that direct attack would be the best solution.

Fear from SP is very common. It is fearful by physiological reasons, our brain is build in that manner. All of us forced to confront the unknown which inevitably generate fears. I always feel some fear in ASP, and great pressure of the unknown. But I have to go out because I'm already aware of those horizons, great possibilities.

If you would be a kid full of fear (are you?), or a terrified grandma, we would handle you with great care. However, you chosed to expand your consciousness by projecting it into the astral. I was straightforward with you, because I have been (and still have) trust in your choice.

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Greetings, Cezyl, Boats & Cube!

Cezyl, go to the moon. It's shame I havent do that yet.

I have had some experiments mirror gazing and found it amazing and fearful at the same time. Performing in the waking state it is a very intense experience, I can reach the hypnagogic barrier so easily.

In the case of the astral mirrors gazing can be very difficult. I agree with BOATS about the unconscious feedback. Also I've found that gazing into the mirror is great for stabilizing dreams.

BOATS, could be the ORB activity you observe the result of your efforts to achieve astral projection? Perhaps all astral projector is surrounded by ORBs.

The anal method we have discussed with MajorTom is a funny sprout of my original method based on phasic/acustic disturbance of sleep (by LOG-loop). I've planned to write about this method, but you are ahead of my plans with your great thread, Cube. When I've ready your third post, I thought I have to reply. I'm sure you will find it useful. Maybe we could make a new method which works for everyone.

I use this method when nothing seems to work or I need to enhance my projection ability. Usually I lie down on my side (preferably on the right) and put an earphone into my other ear connected to my PC line-out socket in order to being waked up regularly (T=6-15 min. depend on the interruption time of sleep) by a brief, self-ceasing acustic signal - so there is no need to move. I start the loop after 4-5h sleep and 30-60m wakefulness (no protocolls are established in the name of fluidity - which really isn't work as regular rythms but sounds good) and "do the looping" for about 1-2h, or until some projection occurs, worthwile for getting up and write it down.

Applying the loop in the regular time window of interrupted sleep, the rate of successful projections moves around 4/5. Success is granted if all conditions are meet (proper sleep on the previous night, properly interrupted sleep, balance of mind, etc). The method might could be full-prof with a light but unpleasant change, causing many success in row. With T=3 min signal-frequency it even worked at regular bedtime.

In about 4/5 occasions I experience WILD, the remaining 1/5 cases are DILD like. The greatest thing I have to heighten is this kind of "phasic disturbing of the sleep" serve as a one-way path to the pre-OBE state. It will facilitate conscious stage#2 sleep, but will not exclusively terminate ongoing episodes of lucid dreams and definately will not ruin the generator state around stage#2. I even able to hear the signal from the dream state without blacking out and forced back into my body.

I use my PC running ClockWise as the mester timer of the LOG-signals. WinAmp or another media player will work as well, but continously read the same sectors of HDD. When I lived in a homestad I used burned CDs.

I advise a specific, brief melody around a sec of length. This is not necessary but gives you a number of advantages. By continously playing it in the background for some hours you could associate the melody with the act of getting back your body awarness. Again, the acustic disturbation will still work without it.

The original signal is generated in 1997 by an old computer called Enterprise - I'm sure some of you are still remember it. After a long break, when I warmed up this method in 2002, I played the original melody onto my PC at home. I still use this "old signal" in all signal complex, because I have no reason to change it. I just come up with it one day and still use it.

The main thing is simply disturb sleep deeply enough with a BRIEF signal to minimalise the response of sympatic nervous system. The lenghtly, fading pink noises have been tested and proved to be not so effective.

Actually the currenty LOG-signal I use is composed from three parts. A very quiet signal notice me and temper the initial shock if I'm still awake. Then comes two brief, harsh signal designed to get done the real job (the "old signals"). Most of the times I'm only aware the last one. Currently I try to find the optimal lenght between them.

According to the EEG, the first signal terminate sleep stage #3 & #4 and mix sleep stage #2 with some REM-like components (in the LOG-state activition of the paralysing system is one of them). The second signal inject my consciousness into the prepared superficial sleep, preferably directly into the LOG-state.

I suppose this is a reply you don't assume to get, moreover, this is not something I like to be involved in, but I think I have to write this. Ok, I'm not attacking you (at least not YOU), but trying to help. You came for help, so you have to be ready for it, whatever form it takes.

I think your fear of sleep comes from the morbidity of your oversized ego. Not to mention other signs, people with great ego can be picked out by their bent for excessive punctuate, and general style of writing. I think you're one of them.

Basically the fear comes from too much thinking and worrying about nonsensical things. You know (your rational mind / ego understand) that you're paralysed while dreaming, but your ego not give up its grip on the subject by keeping you thinking about your fears.

If you prefer, you can regard your ego as an extarnel force come down to feed upon you, or something other troubleshooter from outside. If you like it, ascribe your troubles to a negative astral entities trying to restrain you from your goals.

By doing this you're set apart from your ego or something who try to hinder your progress by generating absourd fears. The main thing is that you have to dissociate it from yourself.

To summarize my first offer, you just have to keep yourself from defending yourself. In the absence of defended their is no attack.

A quicker method for get this done is directly attacking the generator of your fears. You could personalise and project it into the dream state. As you may suspect already, this can be done only in the state of sleep paralysis.

When all conditions are meet for a projection, I lay on my stomach. I like to do it, because no serious relaxation is required just a little attention on my neck.

I've found that if something is a waste of time then relaxation definately is. Relaxing the neck is enough for me, because its relaxation will spread out the entire body.

Years ago I've build a little device to prove the possibiliy of TK in OBEs. I simply have balanced a little piece of aluminium foil in the tip of a crayon then covered it with a jar. The "detector" was installed in the corner of my bedroom about 2m from my head. Unfortunately, it was ruined in every 2-3 days by strong vibrations of cars and winds from outside.

To reach RTZ I use a method to systematically suit the look of my dream bedroom with its waking counterpart. Without using the device as one of the joints in this practice or without doing any practice of suiting at all the detector seemed to be ruined by its own in most of my dreams regardeless of its real state. I was able to trigger the device only when I reached the state characterised by the absence of body, sense of hovering and distorted perception.

I still have doubts in my mind about PK in OBE, because of the lability of my device. Now, I plan to repeat the experiments by building a more professional system combined with a negative ion generator.

Let the fight begin.

Purchase an ioniser and try to practice in the morning. Check your sleep apnea with a sleep professional. It's not something that can be ignored like my hemorrhoid.

The voices as manifest in various debris of sentences are often the end-result of over-tiredness and emotional stresses.  I think the origin of those voices are micro-seizures in the secondary auditory cortex, and have nothing common with the hypnagogic music heard in the preseparational stages of most OBE. Prolonged wakefulness will increase theta activity in the temporal lobes.

The deactivation process of the cortex follow a very specific, but slightly personal route. In general, it will occur from anterior to posteriol direction. The hypnagogic phenomena is marked by increased EEG-power in the delta band (in the background of alfa-theta activity of course). In the case of kinestetic hallucinations the frontal/prefrontal cortex hold the epicenter of delta activity possibly resulted in muscle jerks. Then, this activity sweeps in the temporal and occipital area coincide with the emergence of visual hallucinations.

Yes, I agree, it is boring, but this knowledge can be very useful to creating a working protcol for OBEs. If we have known by which sensory modalities and in which stages of the sleep onset we would have to focus our mind on, people would be project more easily. For instance, the activity which power the hypnagogic images mostly comes from the motoric centres of the frontal lobes (remember, the general trend of the deactivation process), with great emphasis on the areas concerned with speach. Regarding my experiences, stopping thinking (and of course, moving) before assembling the liberated activity in the temporal lobe by imagining voices and surface contacts with dream walls would be such a route, especially if applied in interrupted sleep.

Your original question is dealt with the possible causes, but it would be more important to explore the possibilities the phanomena can be used for, I mean, the practical aspects of splitting consciousness. Now, as I reread your post, I see this was your main interest.

I have to humiliate my fellows in Worms 3D, but if you still interested, I'll write something about too.

quote:I often lose the awareness that I have and it becomes more of a regular dream type experience. Has anyone experienced and overcome this type of situation?

You can keep your awareness sharp by regularly focusing on the fine details of any object you may encounter. My palm work best for me, because it is always at hand. You can pin out a situation or remote place and remind yourself to look for details when you arrive to it.

For instance, you spot a building in the distance and before you take on your wings and zoom on it, say yourself that you'll inspect the roof after landing.

Unforunately, this method will activate your brain keeping your perception from the astral and enclosing you in a stable lucid dream.

Getting up after about 6h sleep (+/- 2h) then making mindblank on my goal, checking my body and try to feel for vibrations regularly (at first periodised by breat counting, then) or at times when i catch myself forgetting what i was doing or watching pre-dream pictures, hearing noises or music. And let it go, of course.

Intent, balance & special mood is required. No full-prof method exists. We are all different.

Cube we're practical beings, I like your posts.

Please try this many times, Sir Lord or anyone who is interested, to make sure you get the hang of it before attempting to mold it for your own.

Lay on your back with eyes open and fixed on a point above you. Put your hands on your stomach and start to concentrate on your breathing as you still gaze that point. Try to kill your toughts between exhalations until you're able to hold the superficial silence of your mind for about 10-15, predtermined number of breaths. To avoid falling asleep, it's more safe to not shut your eyes until you reach that point.

When you're ready move your consciousness from your head to your solar plexus & abdomen regio by observing the breathing process. At the same time, try to hear the inner noises which are originating from that regio (i use earplugs). Sleeping on my back was impossible before. Now i'll fall sleep within 5 minutes by simply shifting my consciousness to that regio and becoming totally silent and passive by what is happening.

I suspect that your goal is an OBE. In that case, you have to set your intent before falling asleep. This can't be detrimental before trying any methods. At the gazing stage, I use some suggestions to set my intent. I throw words into the silence and watch for answers as abstract feelings from my uncosciousness. Before I "swallow" them into my abdomen again, I modify them for my purpose. By this "rumification" eventually "we" reach consensus and my intent is set.

Words are used only to get the exact feeling of OBEing. When I forget this feeling I use precise suggestions to trigger it. After silently verbalising my goal I hold the essence of suggestion for predermined breath cycles to get myself understood.

Congratulations. Try to not wake up yourself after each sessions.

This conversation will not work without defining mind, consciousness and soul.

Tha ancient druids supposed to flew above ley lines with their various stone vehicles. I'm sure those descriptions come from heavily interpreted OBE expereinces. Old cathedrals are also build on crosspoints of geomagnetic lines, perhaps this is the reason why they can so easily shown up (along power lines) when I take a long travel.

Without experiences from an other kind of existence we are forced to perceive the astral through the lens of our own preconceptions, which are, in fact determined by our brain/body based waking consciousness. We make the human astral realm individually and collectively by assuming that natural laws as known from our waking experiences could still be applied in those states.

Assuming that having the same dualistic life composed of conscious activity (with memories) and "unconscious" activity (no memories) a supposed alien being, ruled by its different sensory mechanisms, may build an entirely different astral word. As I see, the astral state is a layer around any consciousness, not a stand-alone state.

We are we identify ourself with. We have no memories of our Higher Selves only speculations, so we are not identical with it. How can we believe to being identical with something we haven't memory of?

Being humans, we are capable of expanding and evolve, but unable to be our HS's "again." For example, when I'll reach the current state of my HS, it will be already far away, because its evolve on their own, albeit we hold our special relationship (I'll still be a subsystem of it). So, we're not going to home, we build our home constantly around ourselves through our ever changing sensory mechanisms. Just an opinion...

Yeah, and sleep on your back until.

And welcome in the forum !

Ok, my two cents...a component of REM-sleep is switched on. We know in the sleep business that OBEs occur in a dissociated state of sleep. (Gustavo, as I see, there are two possibility concerning our tommies, either yours or mine is very peculiar...)

Oh I like this post, please answer to Gustavo.
Girls, what do you think?

Of course I'm just joking around, Seth. You put it well. I hope I don't forget this truth again.

It could, but sounds beautiful...What about organ transplantations?

Can you describe the exact nature of your sleep paralysis?