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Consciousness in not just an "on/off" switch - its a scale, with different people having different levels consciousness, some more advanced/expanded than others. Indeed the true goal of spiritual practices is to successively raise your consciousness to more and more elevated levels, this is essentially the same as saying to become more and more enlightened, or to become more aware (although this could be a product of expanded consciousness, I would say that awareness and consciousness are inseperable).

When you really think about it, and look, most people are not particularly conscious. Just conscious enough to be arrogant of their superiority over animals, but not quite conscious enough to stop acting like animals. Aaaahh I'm so cynical!!

There are various approaches you can take to upping-yur-heid-zone. Some meditate, some practise magic, some take.....other paths. Its up to you. For every person, another path.

Hope this helps!

Rob

Hey again!

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THAT is verry impressive I love other fringey science thingys It absolutesly facinates me plus with the old sciences of the ages. Could you tell me more on that and also show me a link to it that would be great! That sounds too cool! So with this divice he is able to use matter for energy... amazing. It was stated that a sandwhich could run New York City for a day I think... I dunno saw that program a while back.

Well now!!! Yes keelynet.com is a good good place to look around. Articles by Dan Davidson are good - http://www.keelynet.com/davidson.htm eg "free energy, gravity and the aether" look into some stuff which the book "shape power" covers in more detail. He's the guy who was deriving the plethora of equations from aether theory - no no working models which convert matter into energy that he talks about anyway! But he does go into this as possible. By creating standing waves in water (about 41.5-42kHz if I remember right - sonic waves) it can be made to "aetherise" - keely was the first bloke to do this but the experiments have been confirmed. Lol what precisely happens is the mass is turned directly and suddenly into water, then shoots out the top of the tube (quartz is used) (looks like it just vanishes) boring a hole through any matter it comes into contact with. A poor mans railgun perhaps?? But there are ways to do this without the catestrophic and sudden breakdown. I have a photo on my comp from a friend of a friend, you can see bubbles in a tube of water - hydrogen bubbles (and presumbably oxygen too). Resonance breakdown at lower than the standard energies and stuff, therefore allowing over-unity (more energy out than in).

OK, I was about to go into another electrical FE design, but am thinking about it I have questions. I will mail jerry decker at keelynet, see what he thinks....basically its all about using capacitors and back emf from electromagnets, but also using the electromagnet to power a spinning device. I think there may be two overunity mechanisms going on....hhmm

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Anywho, all the usuals  and dont hurt me

Meh???

laters!

Rob

Yeah - life, in all its different aspect, seems to follow a sort of cyclical pattern (like a sine wave), with different lengths of up and downs and etc. Sometimes they all just fly at you together, and you'll feel totally negative for a while. Days, weeks, maybe up to months. Conversely, they can all come together on the up and woohoo! I like that feeling. So maybe thats it, or part of it.
I can manipulate my "feel" in a current instant, so that my energies are positive or negative or a mix. Both are required. But the thing is, when in (just) negative I cant feel joy, happyness, or any of those things. You dont shine, as a consequence, nothing shines for you. But thats fine - I think maybe you just need to learn how to "be" in that way. Its difficult because that negative aspect is not what we are told to aspire to, and often not the most pleasant place to be. But its much worst if you try to reject it. If you learn that way of being it becomes very integrating, and relaxing.
Maybe you should meditate more/start doing so? That should help you through it, and is about as close to doing "nothing" as possible (bar rotting infront of the tele []).

Hope this help.....hang in there fella'!

Rob (22)

Nice one - that sounds really cool! Must have been an incredible feeling to be up that high, wish I could feel that (hint hint to my subconscious mind []). Like you became initiated into the air, or something...like an air elemental maybe.
Rob

Hey Lord Bunny - umm, you have an extremely cool name and avatar but I'm afraid there is some rule against using caps like that....sooo I edited the topic name....sorry! Hope you dont mind.....it still gets the drift across now without shouting too much.....

yeah, but China are still a threat (how many nukes does it take - really?), and their military leaders hold some seriously aggressive attitudes towards the US. Further, China is expected to become a superpower in the next 50 years and may well rise to dominance over the US, they certainly have the various necessary resources and I would be very suprised if this did not happen eventually. For instance, they are the only people in the world at the moment with a truly active space program.
And while "Schenectady" (meh?) might not have anything of importance in it, thats not to say it wouldn't be below the flight path of sea launched missiles.
Just a coupla' non-calming thoughts! hehehe....
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Rob

Tis indeed a great, groundbreaking book - though a little on the scary side! []

On the issue of elementals - some elementals could be called negs, but not all negs are elementals IMO.
I love elementals on the whole.....air and water and forest! If you get to know and appreciate them they can be very kind.

Rob

If you get initiation into hermetics you'll find that all that meditation (and visualisation) stuff is included as some of the very first excercises to practice in the book, and he keeps you on them until you become very proficient. But! He doesn't to my knowledge talk about energy raising practices soo yeah sure add them in.
I dunno, your choice of course, though I would probably say wait and become proficient in meditation first and then decide which branch (of magick etc) you want to go down, if you are still interested.

oh and the qigong was falun dafa at http://www.falundafa.org/eng/ [8D]
I dont agree with all the things he says but mebbe the excercises are good anyway....

Rob

Hey

""Initiation into Hermetics" by Franz Bardon"

This is a good book IF you want a complete step by step course in the practical aspects, though the "theory" at the start is good.
You know, my first reaction when I read "out of date" was `pah! hermetics is thousands of years old!!` but I guess some stuff is outdated eg his views on what happens to the body once a person has OBE'd. That said I dont think it really matters too much, its a training manual which a lot of people recommend.

As Nick said, the Kybalion is excellent, though I haven't read the whole thing I have been digesting it VERY slowly....

Um...thinking....am not on my computer at the moment which is a shame but there are some free qigong type books online somewhere which are supposed to be pretty good. But I cant remember their names for the life of me! Useful I know lol....

Rob

Hey - sorry for the delay in replying I've been on holiday sailing round majorca and other nearby island aaahh hard life....[]

anyhoo....my grandad, well he had alzheimers, but died a while back. Well, he is free now, which is a blessing.

quote:Oh btw Don Nance is the alchemist behind Ocean Alchemy

aha!!! that would be why he sounded familiar lol...yeah I am confident in that guy, will buy more from him.

The sungazing - sounds interesting, but you are still have to eat right? Oh well, maybe it just takes practise eh? But how do you stop your eyes from burning and going blind??? Mad..

Hey you interested in any other fringey science stuff? I just got a load of books from keelynet.com, bloody brilliant I must say. One bloke is using a modern aether theory and applying fluid dynamics to it, and been able to derive both einsteins famous e=mc(2) AND plancks equation amongst other things...!!!!!...impressive to say the least (not got the book around at the moment though). Then there are a couple of free energy motors I now understand the principles of, can elaborate if you're interested.

quote:PS. I have been on that email for for a very long time... I'd say aproximately more than 3-4 maybe more years. Dunno exactly

hehe you're well ahead of me then! But I gotta admit I dont really read all the mails any more....or close - there are so damn many of them!! But when I have the time I'll go through and have a looksey. I have some gold leaf my dad brought back from poland, in vodka, in a little round glass container, perfect for ormus experiments!! You tried any of that pyramid stuff?? I actually mailed on the list when I first got on about a big orgonite pyrmaid with all great pyramid dims, powerful device but a bit.....weird

Anyway I gotta rush to go to my bros graduation ceremony.....

quote:But one thing I'm not trying to get anyone to do anything here so if you wish to its your choice

haha dont worry you dont have to disclaimer yourself!! []

Rob

quote:Therefore, it is highly probable that there are parts of us or even other beings for that matter that exist in higher dimensions that we are not aware of. Just because we cannot perceive them with our limited 4D awareness, does not mean they are not there.

I would like to extend your hypothesis using Tom Beardens ideas - that is, all the higher dimension can be experienced, while still experiencing only 3d (+time which I dont call a dimension as it just confuses things - time is a factor present throughout the dimensional structure and as such can be considered seperate). In other words, as you move up the dimensional scale you drop one at the bottom and pick up one above. So your perception of the physical world would change to viewing a planar structure, if you are viewing the physical at all. This explains a lot e.g. with earthbound spirits.
As such from the original question the directions would still be the same - up left right, x y z, because thats all our little minds can percieve.

And moonburn:

quote:in order to move in a new spatial dimension you would have to alter the energy/matter in such a way so that it could function in this new dimension.

I'll assume this is not meant to disprove the idea that it can be done. If it is I'd just say "so?" - thats an engineering problem.

Rob

Hey
well actually, my grandad is not better, not in the typical sense of the word anyway....the effects I mentioned were ones I noticed in me after I snagged a few spoonfuls![] - Oh the stuff we were trying was umm ocean alchemy great lakes stuff I think, high in rh and ir.
Don Nance....name sounds VERY familiar. I think he's on the ORMUS discussion list. A good list btw if you aint already on it! Barry runs it.
Well hey, sounds like you like the stuff then! I really should order me some....

whoa! Sungazing - you do that???!!!! Like that guy NASA supposedly looked into who stared at the sun instead of eating??! Do go on!!! Lets hear allll about it!!!

thanks for the reply and info,
Rob

According to Laurence Gardner manna, as given by Nightwolf, means "what is it" cos they didn't know. He surmises that it is made from white powder gold (ormus), and he makes a good case, but I doubt we will ever know for sure.
This description fits 2 of the 3 categories James mentions above [].
But then words get twisted and end up meaning different things. I dont think, though, that it can really be linked all that easily with the description of chi/ki/prana/energy. To the best of my knowledge.
But then I am not familiar with that Polynesian / Maori definition.
James - is this exactly the same word? An interesting connection to be sure if it is.....

Rob

McArthur - I couldn't find the israel regardie version of middle pillar online so I uploaded it....is what I have used:
http://www.bath.ac.uk/~en0rab/MiddlePillar.htm
enjoy
Rob

The whole indigo question IMO needs some hard statistics to back it up. Anyone know where I can find such data?
Anecdotal evidence suggests to me the phenomenon might be real, but then....? Who knows.
I am what I am, you are what you are. Thats all the really matters IMO, putting pretty names on these things....weeeell. From some perspectives its valid, from others it sounds a lot like trying to catch people into thinking they are "special" and "different" (something which should be obvious to everyone IMO []) and is totally ludicrous .

Also this forms a part of the greater question - that is, are we really in for some very interesting times - prophecy, etc, or is humanity just plodding along in the same fashion we always have. If the indigo thing is real it would obviously point to the former. Wish I knew!

Rob

No problem!

quote:If a woman is pregnant at the time of a neg attachment, would the negs also attach the the baby once born?

Yes, almost certainly. Negs use the strong connections between family members to their own benefit, and going down family lines like this is a common tactic.

quote:Are babies more suspctible?

Unfortunately, yes. They have not yet built up any psychic shields (as their minds are total clean slates), and they have weak minds.

quote:Would they have less natural shielding or would they be under the shielding of the parents?

Both. When not in the very immediate vicinity of the parents the baby has weak shields, but by being close to the them (eg sleeping between them in bed) they fall more under the parents protection.

quote:Are those with mental illnesses such as schizophrenia more suspectible to neg attacks? How do you know what is real and what is the illness?

Yes, they are more susceptible. Unfortunately, it may be hard to tell apart neg impulses from psychotic (or whatever) ones. But negs follow patterns, and by identifying these patterns it becomes possible to spot negs influences, or not. For instance, a schizophrenic patient could say anything, they could say they believe their father is elvis presley and their mother a giant space alien. But if they start saying this space alien looks like a shadow and terrifies then paralyses them at night time, then its time to open the other eye []
Negs can cause psychiatric problems, and psychiatric problems can attract negs, so....its tricky.
I saw a program on TV once about a teenage mental institute, and it was plain as day that at least half the people there were not "ill" but were under powerful neg attacks. I very much doubt sending a healthy but unhappy person there would help....

quote:Are there any special measures that should be taken for people in comas, or who have serious and permanent disabilities such as brain damage or being unable to communicate.

I see no reason why countermeasures should differ because the person is in a coma. Nor am I convinced that a person in a coma is more suspectible to neg influences - they are obviously "out cold", which is a help, but their energy bodies may be much weaken so...swings and roundabouts...
As for disabilities, I am afraid I dont know, sorry.

Rob

You research the subject for yourself []

There are a few options, but the simplest is with digitals, like I said, they pick up on other wavelengths of light. To be honest though, I am not entirely sure why it works, only that all the evidence points to the fact that it does. I mean, since we dont even understand the physics of ghosts its a bit of a long shot for anyone to then claim they know definitively how they're caught on camera.

Heres a good page I just stumbled across - like I said though, just do some research...
http://www.ghostweb.com/orb_theory.html

Another group who have done very well are the "phantom or fraud" project here in England. They are a TV documentary crewe actively hunting and finding evidence of spirits. One of the best bit of evidence I've heard, the guy who runs it talking about when when they had an orb on video camera with a medium, and the medium was asking the spirit to move left, right, etc with the orb following the exact movements it was asked to perform. Pretty conclusive, though I haven't seen the video I expect it was on TV.

Hey the other night I saw what appeared to be a poltergeist caught on camera by that "most haunted" program, V impressive and it looked real.

Um connection to spirits - they appear to be spirits, or the vehicle they prefer to move in when visiting our world. Since they have no physical body an orb is the logical shape, at least thats the theory.

Rob

Idan, you dont know what you are talking about, sorry. Suggest you do some research into orbs and capturing pictures of them on camera. I have seen plenty of such piccies, had them sent to me by people off this site with confirmation that they were also able to see the orbs, met another moderator here who has taken pictures of orbs in graveyards which were not visible to the naked eye, and heard far too much complete and compelling evidence to consider this phenemenon as BS.
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smooth - no, this does not appear to be like a ouija board, they are dangerous but IMO EVP is one of the safest ways of picking up on the other side.
In a seance you typically only contact one spirit at a time, who utilises the energies of the people in the room to manifest. Conversely on EVP it is common to have numerous voices coming through. Also in channeling the spirits use people, here they use the equipment (which, at least with computers, produce their own energies which seem to be useable). Basically it looks like the fundamental mechanisms of EVP are quite different to channeling. Though it is possible to pick up bad spirits, eg some people only seem to be able to get swearing through their apparatus, that gives it away a bit and is fairly rare.
Besides, if you wanted to protect from negs, that should be do-able.

Rob

Over time and with repeated use sacred symbols and sounds become the focus points for higher energies,ie they are connected to them, and so have intrinsic power within them. Some languages like hebrew can be used as a kind of sacred language - but also in that their tones and sounds have stregnth of their own, like sacred geometry does (different in that their power comes from their own ability to manipulate the local environment using shape and sound, ie no human input, like in nature).

With EVP there are a number of dirrerent approaches you could take. I have used a computer program you can download, made by some german bloke I think, which takes a .wav file of someone speaking then splits it into small packets and randomly re-arranges these packets. The random re-arrangement produces the same effect as picking up off the static on tape recorders etc, in that it introduces a random element that spirits can use. And, it works! Tried it, and recieved messages, though they sometimes take quite a careful ear to pick them out. Very interesting. My grandad died recently, so I'm probably going to have a go at contacting him like this soon...ish.
The more traditional way of doing it, I am not so familiar with (ie have never tried this route), but I am sure that it dosn't matter too much what equipment you are using. Remember though, that more modern sound equipment is design to filter out all extraneous influences, which are precisely the sort of effects we want to maximise (within reason). So! If you want to use tape recorders etc I suggest you use an old and/or simple type. But it doesn't matter much, just use what you've got and you'll probably get some good stuff...

Oh yeah and cameras - I hear the best sort to use is a digi, as it has a wider viewing range in terms of wavelegnths of light, specifically people claim the IR range is important for orbs and stuff.

Hey check this off rense - not sure if it is real but pretty funky anyway:

http://www.rense.com/general53/chile.htm

Rob

Good art in general on www.deviantart.com, some spiritual type ones.

I think I know who you are talking about - Gary Smith or something? Promises short cuts to enlightenment? I am not convinced by him....

Rob

Hey

Volcomstone - I agree with your opinion on orgonite. The devices act as collectors, cleansers and focusers of energy. I've made quite a few of them, they are interesting and can do some pretty cool things.

Mobius coil - the wraps around crystals? Yeah I've got a couple of those. I link them to a zapper/SP type device that generates a square wave at err 15hz I think. Personally I am starting to think more that it should be a much higher frequency, but perhaps 15 has lots of good harmonics I dunno.

Rob H - they generate good energies, kinda amplifies the power of the crystal, like pumping them, but there's a lot going on.
Scalar waves can be thought of as stress waves in the aether....umm. Light waves look like this:

You can see two waves seperated by 90deg. One the electric, one the magnetic. Imagine if you took another wave, exactly opposed, in that its peaks and troughts are destructively interfering with the first wave, ie cancalling each other out. But where does the energy go? If you kept two waves together like that, on exactly the same path, the energy would look like its been destroyed (which cant happen). I think Tom Bearden would say the energy is infolded, as a scalar wave, or you could say it is now a pressure wave passing through the aether.
Hope this helps..

Rob

Hey Nightworlf - how is the ormus going?
I tried some a while back, we got it for my grandad cos he was unwell. It seemed to make senses and perceptions sharper, and stuff....[]

Rob

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