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Trying to explain what was happening in another person's mind is like trying to tell a blind man what a rainbow looks like. []  

Sounds to me like you were experiencing some hypnogogic imagery.  This is completely normal and common.  The longer you stay with it, the more clearer and three dimensional it will become.

Hey there Opiate,

Fallnangel77 had some good points for you, which I won't go over again.  There is one thing, though, which I would like to comment on.

Before you can be truly successful at having an astral projection/OBE, you must first have the right attitude.  Now I can tell from your post that you really, REALLY want to have one.  The mistake that people make is that they think that this IS "the right attitude!"  It's not!

The physical is just a reflection of the astral (albeit a dense reflection), and in the astral, thought equals creation.  So what you think will come to pass.  We must be careful about our thoughts and preconceptions in this physical world as well, because it will affect our efforts to project.

In just the first couple of paragraphs, you made the following statements:

quote:...considering how i cant project...

quote:...my body functions seem to be preventing me from projecting...

quote:...its all just bullocks...

quote:...I have many doubts about my higher self and projections...

Those are just a few that JUMPED out at me.  I didn't even have to look for them.  The point is that even though you really WANT to project, you still have these contradicting thoughts which could be holding you back.

The sooner you catch yourself negating the experience, and the sooner you convince yourself that you WILL do this, and it's NOT super hard, then you will make a lot of progress.

I hope this doesn't sound like I'm coming down on you.  Even I have work to do in this area.  But I have seen a significant improvement in my projections once I started to analyze my thoughts and change the way I was looking at things.

quote:Originally posted by crazy_colombiano

My friend said that to be better at being psychic and using things like OBE, TELEPATHY etc it's better if I start with OBE because it'z faster. is it true
Once one of my father's friend told me that when you are in obe a spirit can get in your body

Don't believe everything you hear, including from myself or anyone else on this forum.  Investigate things yourself based on personal experience and take things with a grain of salt.  Your intuition will tell you who to trust and who to blow off.

I have never heard of anyone losing their body to another spirit while they are OBE.  Most of what you hear is "old wives tales" rooted in religious dogma, designed to scare you from pursuing these things on your own.

quote:Originally posted by kutabare

when I did some thraining and studying I came across this and tried it and when I did a energy ball and also a power up This happened to me.

Could you explain HOW "seeing an energy ball and a power up" had anything remotely to do with your conclusion that a person's skin appearing pale is due to the energy body close to the surface?

Huwie....

I have been doing this very same technique for a long time, and I also can vouch for the fact that breathing seemed extremely slowed down.  In fact, I often think to myself, while in this meditative state, "Holy crap, if I can take only 4-5 breaths a minute, I could stay underwater for HOURS!"

I find that I take DEEP inhalations, hold for a few seconds, then deep exhalations, and hold for a few seconds.  I am not forcefully holding my breath.  When you get to a certain stage, it all kinda flows together, and you just start breathing slowly, as you described.

quote:Originally posted by kutabare

when did she die?
You can only find her within a week of her death then she goes into the other stages of death.{ only for a week due to the etheric energy is being decayed and is going to shrink}

How do you know this?  Not to seem rude, but when people make blanketed statements like that, I usually like them to follow up and explain just exactly HOW they came to know the information is true.  

After all, you're stating it as a fact, so I'm just curious to see how you know this.

quote:Originally posted by kutabare

when people say to you that you look pale , but indeed there is nothing wrong with you then , I believe that the "paleness" would be your energy having been closer to your skin.

If this is bringing up any thoughts please feel free to do so.

I'm just curious, what would make you think that is so?  You already stated that you believe it, but why would you think the paleness has anything to do with your energy body?

Yes, welcome to the forum (officially)!  We look forward to hearing lots more from you.  []

Casper, I moved your topic from the OBE Discussions to the Astral Chat forum, since it seemed more appropriate here.  Hope you don't mind.

quote:Originally posted by seth817

yea, I have been wondering what phasing is also. I looked at the link but I don't think it really tells someone what it is, it is just a discussion about it. Is it similar to remote viewing? Maybe someone could just write a brief definition?[!][?][!][8]

Ok, here is the "in a nutshell" definition.  The difference between the traditional OBE and Phasing is that in an OBE, you feel a separation from your body, and phasing you do not.  

With OBE's, you will roll out, find yourself in your room (or in a black void), and project from there.

With Phasing, you sort of walk/merge into the astral directly.  Imagine stepping into a TV set, as opposed to driving to the studio.

Almost there!  Keep it up.

Whenever I use the word meditation, I mean "the process used to help induce an OBE."

So for me, when I meditate, here is what I do:

1) Lie down on my back.

2) Take a few (3-5) deep breaths to relax.

3) With each subsequent breath, imagine that you're drawing energy up from your feet and stopping at each chakra. For example, if I had to draw it out, it would look like this:

Breath 1 Inhale ---> draw energy into root chakra ---> Exhale ---> Imagine root chakra spinning (activating)

I continue drawing as many breaths as it takes to fully activate the particular energy center, and then I move upwards to another.  So continuing my example, if it took 5 breaths to activate my root chakra, I would continue like so:

Breath 6 Inhale ---> draw energy into solarplex chakra ---> Exhale ---> Imagine solarplex chakra spinning (activating) etc.

4) After I have activated all my energy centers (God that sounds so "new agey!"), I can sort of feel myself vibrating.  From here, my technique alters depending on my mental state.  I do a number of things like:

    a)Try and will the vibrations to increase in frequency and spread throughout the body

    b) Try to watch for any astral images that pop up into my third eye, and "hold" them in focus as long as I can

5) At this point, I try and do whatever it takes to forget about the body and make my consciousness transistion over to the pre-exit state.  This is the hardest thing to do, and requires the most patience and practice.  Usually, you will get ancy and start to move, but that is only because you're too focused on what you're doing.  The key is to detach yourself and allow your body to naturally tip-toe along the lines of sleep.

Hope that helps.

Thanks for posting your experience.  I always like to read what others see when they are out.

And I'm glad you picked up on the 1000 times the speed of light.  The only time I have ever gotten scared was when I would travel at this super fast speed.  There is nothing more terrifying than flying DOWNWARDS at the speed of light (or greater)!  It took me a while to get over that fear, let me tell you!

Anyway, not to selfishly plug my program, but if you haven't already, you should download the OBE Journal and enter your experience into it.  You can check it out by clicking the link in my signature below.

I think my problem with using drugs to project is this (and by the way, I have no problems with weed or anything like that).

Many people will smoke weed, thinking of it as a "tool" to help them project.  Well, let's say that it works in your case, and you project. Now what happens is you're unconsciously forming preconceptions that somehow, someway, the weed was the magic key to your success.  After all, smoking weed + laying down equaled a projection, whereas you never had one without smoking weed, so bingo!  There's the secret!

However, I have seen no evidence that any drug helps your success to failure ratio for OBE's.  In other words, if you don't use any drugs, you may fail your first 10 times at projecting before having a successful experience.  But using drugs, you may succeed once right away, and then fail ten times afterwards, but you don't focus on the failures because the "high" of the drug is beneficial in itself.

What I'm saying is that I have yet to see a "magic drug" which causes OBE's 100% of the time.  If anything, if you fail at projecting, it just leaves you feeling real good.  So then you start to depend on the drug, because after all, if you don't have an OBE, well at least you have a nice after-effect to fall back on.

Not sure if this makes any sense, and again, I'm not some anti-drug guy.  I just don't want people to think that some drug is a substitute for learning how to mentally achieve these altered states of consciousness, because once you start thinking the drug can do this for you all the time, you start depending on it to do this work for you, and you end up suffering in the long run.

Just my two and half cents.

Hi Widfis.....

I used to have this problem too, and both Nay and PDB have some good advice.

First, if you feel like you need to swallow, DO IT.  Trying to ignore your bodies signals is only going to distract you further than simply swallowing and getting over it.

Imagine it like stretching a rubber band.  If you stretch a rubber band as far as it can go, it will get real tight and almost break, right?  Well, if you relax the rubber band, and then stretch it again, you'll see that it goes a little bit further the next time.  Why?  Because it's already been stretched out, and it now has some more slack to stretch.

A crude analogy, but I see your situation as the same type of thing.  When you're preparing to have an OBE, you're stretching the rubber band.  You feel like you've gotten real far, but then you need to swallow.  When you do, the rubber band goes back to it's unstretched state.  AKA you feel like you've broken your progress and have to start all the way over.

However, after swallowing, if you pick back up where you left off, you will see that not only will you get to your previous state quickly, but you can take it a little bit farther this time.

Another thing to ask is what position are you doing this in?  I try to do this on my back, with my head slightly elevated.  Some days, the saliva problem is there.  Other days, I don't notice it.  One thing is for sure....if you THINK about it, then you'll have to do it!

Look at it this way. You don't have problems swallowing when you try to sleep, right?  You don't lay there and go, "Damn, I gotta swallow again!"  Of course not!  So just "pretend" that your body is going to sleep and let it run it's course.  Just be a passive observer and don't try and control anything.

It doesn't make any difference at all.  One of my best projections was when I was on a boat.  []  If anything, it may be HARDER to project when you're moving, simply because the degree of distractions are increased (due to motion, bumps in the road, mechanical noises, etc).

Yes, check out their website here: http://www.monroeinstitute.org/

quote:Originally posted by cryo_boy
Ki is fake. All my friends who tried said it didn't work.

Not to play the devil's advocate or anything, but just becaue you or your friends try something without any results, doesn't mean that it's fake.

Personally, I don't profess to know anything about ki, but I am applying your logic to something I do know, and that's OBE's.  If a person (or a group of friends) tried it and then nothing happened, that wouldn't mean that they don't exist.  It just means you were unsuccessful at achieving the desired results.

quote:Originally posted by TheWanderer

Anything that you create with your imagination in the Astral is an illusion.  Just like you can't create an island in RL, nor can you in the Astral.  It only clouds your vision of what is really there, and clouds your true purpose -- to progress along the Spiritual Path.  Visit mysticweb.org, and enroll in their free courses if you want to find out more of what I am talking about.

If you can't create things in the astral, then how do you think astral things got to be there in the first place?  In other words, if I astral project into a garden, then where did all the astral plants come from?

I agree with veliki.  If you create something in the astral, it's every bit as "real" as you make it.  In my opinion, there is no such thing as something with isn't real, because if it can be imagined, then it already has some sort of realness to it.  As an example, the monster under the bed may not be "Real" to an adult, but it's certainly "real" to the child.

From my own experiences, I look at astral creations in this aspect.  If I create, say, a chair with my mind, and then I sit on it, it's real.  Does that mean that everyone else may see that chair?  Well, if they are in the same room, then the answer is quite possible yes.

Now, if I told them to project to that chair from another location, they may not find it, because it is something I just created, with no connection to anything else.

Now take the Astral Pulse Island, for example.  This is a place, concentrated on by HUNDREDS of people, fixating on it in their minds, imagining all the details of this island.  As it is thought, so it is created.  The more people who believe in it, the more "real" it becomes, and the more permanent it will last.  This is how belief system terrorites are created (pearly gates, hell, etc).  

This is all my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.  It's just what I've come to believe based on my experiences.

quote:Originally posted by The AlphaOmega

Who cares what forum it belongs in?  That's a trivial technicality. Just give helpful input on the subject or move on.

Easy there, slugger.  Nick was just moving the topic into a more appropriate place, so it can get the right kinds of responses.

quote:
 On that note I have found the breath awareness to be a very successful technique, but anything else is do or die.  After reading many posts I have found the breath awareness is one of the most commonly successful techniques out there.  All the rest of them either work or they don't.

I think almost every technique out there is, as you put it, do or die.  In other words, what works for one may not work for another.

Not only that, but what works for you one day may not work for you the next day.  Being the complex creatures that we are, some days may find breath awareness to be the ultimate mind relaxer.  Other days, we may find a different technique which works better.

However, I agree with you though that breath awareness is a key (for me at least) in my pre-OBE relaxation.

quote:Originally posted by Stillwater
These are all good interpretations of what seemed to be at the heart of my post, but I suppose that it was my sublimenal intention to ask you of the one climatic expeirence with higher realms which made your efforts to attain subjective consciousness seem utterly fruitful.

For me, it only took one experience, my very first, which made my efforts to attain subjective consciousness utterly fruitful.

While my first OBE was not that exciting in terms of the things I did, it was utterly transforming for me, both mentally and spiritually.  I didn't visit anyone.  I didn't see anything.  I simply sat up, half in and half out of my body, for 10-15 seconds.  This was enough to transform reality as I previously saw it.

In my opinion, all weed does (and other hallucinagenic (sp?) drugs) is that it lowers the sheath that we've all constructed to separate our physical senses from our astral ones.

In other words, when you get high, you are more perceptive of non-physical things.  However, this blessing is it's own curse, IMO, because it also hinders a lot of your mental control.

It's kind of like giving you the keys to a huge semi-truck.  Yes, you know how to drive, but driving one of those bad boys is really different than your little mini-cooper!

I prefer to stick to OBE's the natural way, where I still possess all of my mental faculties, and thereby assuring that the experience is genuine and not just a product of my mind tripping out.

quote:Originally posted by Stillwater

Yes! Flying is good... Freedom and mental expansion are the obvious effects of becoming a serious projecter, but what do you think that you have learned from projection itself? What one thing do you think that projection has made clear to you that you would not have accepted otherwise?

I would say the reassurance that there is life beyond this life.  That we shouldn't get too hung up on the things of this world because there is so much more out there which is waiting for us.

My OBE's have caused me to look inwards instead of outwards.  It freed me from a bond of religious chains and freed my mind from dogmatic thoughts.

quote:Originally posted by T_Kman0610

Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce
i think this book will help me more than i have ever been helped for OBE's Lucid dreaming and extra sensory in the astral realm. has anyone read this book yet, i have heard it is really great. well if you have any comments or oppinions about it post em up.

Hmmm, 'Astral Dynamics' you say?  Sounds familiar.  And who is this Robert Bruce fellow?  []

quote:Originally posted by Stillwater

In my humble opinion, the art of mental projection is to be viewed as a tool to be utilized in emotional and spiritual development of the individual. Its goal is the pursuit of the creator, and it is an expression of one's striving toward perfect existence and serenity. What is it that you fellow posters feel is to be the prime directive of this endeavor?

Um....I just like to fly.  []

Seriously though, I agree that one should use things like astral projection to further devlop themselves, both spiritually and mentally.  This is why I disagree with people on this forum who say, "I wanna project so I can mess around with others, etc."