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I believe that what comes after this life is way better.

You are right  

Haha thats great progress. I just recently had my first phasing/ld experiance myself. I was laying down practicing, then after awhile i found myself riding either in a cab or driving it. I remember going lucid and then i tried to fly out the car but the scene dissolved and i felt sort of shocked

The thing is im pretty sure it was an LD because it seemed dream-like, and i cant remember it at all.

How long have you been practicing? Ive beeng trying to phase basically every night before i go to sleep for about 2 weeks. Sometimes i will drift off into sleep, but sometimes i will have some weird sensations or visuals or something and feel really drained and just make a conscious decision to sleep.

Anyway keep up the progress, and keep us updated  

As I said such factors like these are uncontrollable, and if you read all the accounts I quoted above, you will see what I am saying is indeed true. The problem it is very random. You have little to no conscious control in a trip. Anything can happen, and if a particularly bad trip happens and endures for hours, that trauma will remain with you for a long time. D

Utter bs. If you have ever tripped on any drug you would know this. You always have control. There is a difference between Control and the Illusion Of Control. Iam sorry, but really, if you arent a dumbass you should be fine.

Ben K, they're illegal in most countries, enough said.

What does that "say"? You didnt answer any of my questions. Truth is, you look at countries like Denmark and you see what society would be like if uptight a-holes didnt try to shove there views down anyones mouths.

Does any of your opinion have any basis in experiance? I mean no offense, but it seems you come here and, instead of questioning your own beliefs, try to fit them into this little frame of yogaism. The truth is theres alot more out there. A person doesnt need to read eastern philosophy to be "enlightened". Its a very easy process if you just go with it.

With regards to snakes, when you are on a trip, it just doesnt work that way. First of all, not everyone even hallucinates. Second of all, you cant consciously "trigger" any hallucination just like you cant trigger an obe. It just happens. And usually, unless you are uptight going INTO the trip, the visuals will be much more fun(walls melting, things bending, etc.) Why would you even want to think of snakes? Your mind is in such an altered state that if you havent been there its hard to talk about. Sort of like when you AP, your fears materialize. You can just laugh at them. Fear shouldnt be a factor in anything, especially something thats meant to be "fun" like APing, tripping, etc.

But like i said, most people with half a brain would trip fine, and again, i dont think its fair for someone whos never even been in one of these states to argue over there use.

So someone in authority, that in turn depends on an assessment of the drugs by scientific bodies, has good reason to believe these drugs should be illegal.

The same people who passed the patriot act? The same people that invaded not one, but two countries in a matter of 3 years? Sorry Im not too big on those people right now. I would rather my life be run by me, not some suits on capitol hill.

I would suggest, once again, that you go out there and do your own research. Do you seriously think drugs are illegal because the U.S. government thinks they are dangerous? Why do you think they care what you put into your body. Go down to your local pharmacy. all those drugs in that store are more dangerous than anything you can get out of the ground. Alcohol, for instance is 20x worse for you(mentally and physically) than marijuana. Why is alcohol legal? You said yourself that your father was an alcoholic. Where was your government then? Another example, morning glory seeds. Here in the U.S you can go to your local wal-mart, pick up 5 packs of morning glory seeds, eat them, and it has basically the same EXACT effect as LSD. So why are seeds legal? There are countless more examples, but i can assure you, no governments care about you. You are a number.

If you really want to get into a debate on the dangers of drug using and why they are illegal, read up a bit and maybe get some experiance before coming in here and blabbing what you read in some book or saw on T.V.

He tends to do that

Its ok though. To each his own I say.

Hey hey

Yes coast to coast is great. Recently Robert Bruce himself was on the program, it was pretty cool!

Anyway have a good stay

With that aside, immortality comes with a heavy price.  Such as making a pact with a demon, or selling your soul.

   Where did you learn such things?

There is no natural law which says that death is a necessity. Its a technological problem to be solved. Death is a result of accumulation of errors during DNA replications which happen as cells divide.

In not very distant future average humans will be able to live 300 years or so, which I think is long enough for you to do everything you always wanted to do. But there are still things such as diseases and accidents.

The permanent solution that I can think of is to grow bodies in factories and simply transfer your consciousness to a ready made body by leaving the old one, if it gets old or damaged or if you get bored of it.  

That sounds great but why would we want to stick around this dump that long  

Again, your missing the point lol. Anything you put into your body is "bad" for you. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE MODERATION.

MODERATION

And yes, a bad trip can be bad, but its just that, a trip. If you let something that happened to you while on a conscious-alterting substance effect you to the point where it is a week after the incident and you are still shaking in fear, you have much worse problems than drugs.

And, once again, a person with positive thoughts, who is healthy, and has no hidden psychological "disorders" will not have a bad trip. It just further reinforces the fact that WE CREATE OUR REALITY! If you go into the trip thinking about demons, guess whats going to happen.

So data: if you feel a bad trip can ruin your life, IT WILL!

1. Dormant psychological and emotional issues
2. External events during the trip
3. Any anxieties and worries that may arise just before or during the trip
4. Recent anxieties and experiences

If you have never done a psychadelic, i would really refrain from this conversation.

The only real uncontrolable risk i see there is 1.3 and 4 are the same, since when is "just before or during the trip" not recent, lol.

You can control external events to a huge extent. Its called staying home, lol. If you mean things like you jumping off the roof, or stabbing someone on accident, these risks are there during everday life as well. And like in life, anxiety can only control you as long as you let it.

lol. if you could tell me how i would go about selling my soul i would love for it. An faq perhaps?

seriously though, it is my belief that nothing is "impossible" per the definition, but to be able to step outside our construct of time would be quite the achievement

All talk of "negative entities" behind, the fact of the matter is drugs do not effect your mind like you seem to believe. A physical chemical can not alter your non physical consiousness. Otherwise, drug problems carry over through your lives, and thats just not logical.(imo)

To answer your question, yes it is possible to take poison in moderation. You might need some tools and a microscope, but you can get a low enough dose where there will be barely any effects.

You give me that summary of effects but what you dont realize is that, like everything in life there is always a ratio of good to bad. The good effects out-weigh the bad ones for some people, others, like you, see drugs as hramful, bad, etc..

And as for negative entities, they cant really hurt you, so if you can just learn to deal with them and show them some love you will be fine. They wont be attracted to a mind full of "higher" (to use your terms thoughts.

And so the only "problems" i can see with drugs are

1. Method of obtaining them

2. The effects could be too strong for you

3. You screw up and use something uncompatible with your body.

There might be more, but those are the major ones. (societies rules, cops, etc aside)

So, like a mountain climber can use gear to take away some of the risks of climbing a mountain, the risks in using drugs can be lessened by various methods(Researching what you are putting into your body, have someone sober on hand in case, etc)

But there is always risk, like everything in life, and it call comes down to personal preferance. At least it should, but most govts on this planet dont agree

And yes, you would be correct in assuming that i am a drug user. Mostly psychodelics, about 3,4 times a month. But its fun, nothing more. Spiritual stuff is a whole different area of my life.

User beware, eh?

2cents & L&L
Jouni

Buy the ticket, take the ride...

Well, if you are arguing it all in intention of use, I think that is largely out of your control, because drugs are base on chemicals, that elicit physical reactions in the body and mind. If you use any drug, particularly class A and class B, it will have harmful effects. Now, sometimes, those who don't experience side effects, may claim that this clears them of harmful effects, however we know that after a certain use or dosage, they do cause harmful effects in many. While, it may not seem obvious, because the effects are not manifest on the surface, it is likely there are subtle unconscious and physiological effects. Hence, why I say, they are inherently bad.

If tiny bad things are allowed to accumulate, they will eventually amount into something much bigger. This can be anything from bad cholestrol, drugs, alcohol, nicotine, drugs, stress, anger etc

how can you elicit a physical reaction in your non physical mind?

Yes, drugs do harm your physical body to an extent, i wasnt arguing that. But everything you put into your body is harmful to a certain extent. The only subtle unconsious and psychcological effects would be magnifying problems you already have. ie. if your depressed, it isnt going to help. And usually, problems dealing with drugs come from the person either obtaining them, or reacting badly to the drug.(There is a risk factor in everything you do in life.)

DXM is a cough suppresent that in high doses can make you trip. But is it inherently bad because of that?

moderation, moderation, moderation. with everything in life from sex to t.v. to food to religion to work etc etc..

[moderation]

Well prolonged  usage of drugs is not good for the mind and health, as they create dependencies, and further harm normal functions.  Many of the recreational drugs are potentially dangerous even in short use. Many also have what is called a "crash" phase, that is after temporary beneficial effects, there are rather unpleasent effects. So there is something inheretly not good about drugs.

No pain no gain

But saying there is something inherently not good about drugs is saying there is something inherently not good about a knife. It all depends on the person. And most drugs are only dangerous when

1. You dont know what you are doing

2. You know the drugs is particularly harmful/habit forming but do it anyway(crack, etc)

Dependency is a funny word. If you mean you need the drug to create the normal chemicals the body would create anyway, then yes, that can be bad. But the brain will start to create these chemicals again after you stop taking the drug for awhile. If you mean you "need the drug to get through the day" type thing, eh i guess it depends on the situation.

It all comes down to moderation. Just like everything else in life. And as long as you know that drugs are not expanded awareness in a capsule or such youll be fine.

Didn't say they are just] a short cut or a shortcut at all.
The bit about trying to reach the Titanic should've been the clue.

No worries though. I've with you in that I agree drugs will never (hardly ever at anyy rate) yield any useable results. Just like freediving to the Titanic won't result in you actually getting there.

Haha, its all good. I dont mean just you necessarily, but alot of people attitudes are drugs are a "shortcut" or a "taste" of what you can achieve. While yes, what you can achieve through hard work and focus is 20x better than anything that can happen to you while you are on LSD, it is probably impossible to create the chemicals that lsd creates in your brain on your own.

And as for results from taking them, usually its just a good time!  

[moderation]

Well prolonged  usage of drugs is not good for the mind and health, as they create dependencies, and further harm normal functions.  Many of the recreational drugs are potentially dangerous even in short use. Many also have what is called a "crash" phase, that is after temporary beneficial effects, there are rather unpleasent effects. So there is something inheretly not good about drugs.

No pain no gain

But saying there is something inherently not good about drugs is saying there is something inherently not good about a knife. It all depends on the person. And most drugs are only dangerous when

1. You dont know what you are doing

2. You know the drugs is particularly harmful/habit forming but do it anyway(crack, etc)

Dependency is a funny word. If you mean you need the drug to create the normal chemicals the body would create anyway, then yes, that can be bad. But the brain will start to create these chemicals again after you stop taking the drug for awhile. If you mean you "need the drug to get through the day" type thing, eh i guess it depends on the situation.

It all comes down to moderation. Just like everything else in life. And as long as you know that drugs are not expanded awareness in a capsule or such youll be fine.

Perhaps the correct metaphor in regard to entheogenic drugs is Mt. Everest, a helicopter and what happens when one gets suddenly  dumped on top on the said mountain.
Altitude sickness. Eh?

The point being, one can get there in many ways but some are less drastic tha others and the same more constructive.

One can get to the Titanic hugging an anchor and in a submarine. Choose.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

The fact of the matter is you cant. You say "Ah yes, drugs are only a shortcut" when in fact its the same nonsense as telling me not to use a car, because we have legs. Drugs are an experiance, and there "mystic" nature draws alot of people who simply are too rooted in there objective reality to want to experiance something like an acid trip. But im not going to preach to them, its there business.

If one is smart and can see drugs for what they really are, i believe its fine. The real danger is when someone say, thinks they become a shaman because they have crazy visuals when they trip on muhsrooms. Theres no enlightenment to be found in drugs. Only if you create it.

Ah yes, Cayce was a great guy. First learned about the akashic from him.

Anyway, Good Luck coolbreeze, with some focus you will accomplish whatever you want

Drugs allow for a more subjective reality. Depending on the drug there are different levels of subjectivity, and different senses involved. I think, for example, Acid affects your visual senses, ie. hallucinations. It also affects your audio(so im told, never done it ;P) in the form of audio hallucinations. Much weaker drugs, like marijuana, offer barely any subjectivity, but it is still there in some forms.(Eating maybe? )

Some people like this. Some people op for the more objective reality. Some are scared of the unkown. But it is not anyones right to tell anyone else what to and what not to put in there bodies.

Just my 2 sense.

Searched:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13986&highlight=akashic

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9538&highlight=akashic

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15612&highlight=akashic

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1124&highlight=akashic

Theres probably alot more, but im tired

GL

phasing is not just mind awake body asleep. That is focus 10. phasing is the same thing as a full blown obe except instead of popping out of your body into your room you advance directly to the "astral". There is no seperation of body and the whole process is pretty easy. You are completely aware(aware as you would be in waking life).  

I dont think its actually required to remember past lives. I would say try meditating and stretching back your memories. Just try to remember memories from as early as possible and as you remember those, older ones will pop up. Just sit and meditate on these for an hour a day and i suppose if you practice enough you would get flashes of past lives.

Anyway it would probably be easier to phase into F2 or F3 and go to the akashic records, there you can view whatever you want about any of your lives. You can even experiance events from them in real time.

And please, dont ask "Cool how do i do it!" Use the search button and you will be able to find any information you want

GL

Ben

Turn off your mind, relax and float downstream..

Tonys Chakra Repair




seriously though, use the search feature im sure theres hundreds of threads with the info you need.

More likely to be a manifestation of your own fears rather than a neg. I would examine any stress or anxiety you might have about anything in your life and see if it could be any of those. If not, call the exorcist(cue music)!

Well, seeing as I havent even gotten out yet(and even if i do i probably wont run into these things because iam using the phasing method as opposed to RTZ projection) I can only give limited advice on things I know.

But I can suggest that as soon as you know you are out, try not to engage your "astral senses" right away, as I believe they strenghten the magnet effect. Just "float" away from your body for as long as you think necessary and when you think you are far enough away, you can start to use your astral sight, etc..

Good Luck,

Ben

Remember the scene in The Matrix where Morpheus is training Neo in the Matrix the first time? You couldnt go through the window for the same reason that Neo didnt make the jump across the buildings. Dont think you can; KNOW you can.

The Matrix makes so much more sense after you learn about OBEs

edit: There is also a "magnet effect" when you first start going OBE, or so i hear. Next time you make it out, try to get as far away from your body as possible(10-15 ft. should do), then open your eyes, start looking around, etc..

Try getting up at about 5, stay up for about 10-15 minutes, then go lay down, set your alarm clock for your regular time, and practice until it goes off

You should have no trouble getting into F10(the trance state) at least within the 1st week of practicing.

Im sure theres a way to visit the RTZ. And even if there isnt, you can always visit the akashic records.