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thanks...and...[B)]



*ahem*-  BREASTS!!!

ahhhh,that's much better.

in addition to the boobs comment[], I would like to know if you (or anyone)can reccomend any reading material on the above topic (majick,not boobs[])

interesting[]

thanks Tisha

...hey...tisha sure has big...[:O]

I personally believe that astral projection is an ideal way to gain personal power and knowlegde about the self (and everything else for that matter).however,before we can discover cosmic truths,we have to pass beyond our own 'hangups'.

another idea,in addition to the ones mentioned so far (please bear with me,if your belief system doesn't include such things):

I've read about,though never personally experienced-something called 'astral majick'.it is where you use astral projection to ascend to higher levels of the self to gain knowledge,and create something that 'trickles down' the dimensional levels,where positive change is finally activated in the here and now.

I would like to achieve this,as I struggle w/severe anxiety,and would like to remove this HUGE barrier of FEAR that has taken over my life...but anyways...

basic projection is still a huge challenge w/many of it's own barriers...

haven't quite figured that out yet[B)]

I'm beginning to think the second one.more like an expansion of conciousness beyond the body,than leaving it,which could be seen as rather simplistic.

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I'm pretty sure that there have been many such tests done to prove obe states, especially by robert monroe of the monroe institute-founder of hemi-sync.there are probably piles of documents laying in some storage room of science facilitys, ignored because people just can't accept the results of their experiments.[!]

usually though, when you stare at an object in a lucid dream,it changes into something else.that didn't happen...

I first got into astral projection after my brother subscribed to a series of "time life" books about the paranomal.one month,a book called "psychic voyages" came in the mail.I was fascinated by the concept of out of body travel, and access to hidden dimensions of knowledge.

I read the whole book, then practiced Robert Monroe's projection technique.2 weeks later, I saw a surge of energy shoot down from sky in my mind, and my whole body felt like I tapped into an electrical power line.It felt like an "electrical earthquake".I shook myself out of it after about 30 seconds,'cause I felt like I was about to be burned to a crispy cinder![:O]

of course, my brother tried the technique ONCE.he didn't do it right,then he said something like "ahh,it's all bullsh*t".I still don't know if he believes me.

I then started to get spontaneous vibrations while I was awake,but relaxed.I got spontaneous projections for a number of years,which gradually waned off,so now I'm learning to project at will.I eventually want to be able to project when I'm awake,anytime I want.

that would be really,really cool[]

I once encountered a MASSIVE dragon just after exiting my body.it came through a dark barrier of some kind.then it shape-changed into a human figure.it was *interesting*.it had 2 heads.

there's no way in hell you could get me to challenge something like that[:O]

I usually find that an emotional reaction causes instantaneous consequences in the astral,or real-time body.the same can be said about an idea I suddenly get while travelling out of body.it's almost like before the emotion or idea even gets established,it causes somtheing to happen instantly!

I remember reading about someones experience of seeing that.I forgot!

I will add that to my list[]

I will post as soon as something happens (rediculously diffucult![!])

right of the bat ,I would like to add that the physical world/universe isn't as "out there", and separate from ourselves as it seems.in other words-"real space" isn't any more or less real than any other plane of existance.
that said,I have had a couple of experiences in "out of body space travel" (for want of better term).

it must have been close to the physical plane,'cause reality was very "solid",and I experienced NO reality flucuations[]....

I shot myself out of my body, and travelled straight up into the sky,then into space.I was heading for the centre of the galaxy, via the milky way (our galaxy) band of stars.I never did reach another star, despite travelling extremely fast.the distances are just mind-boggling.I passed a big rock or something.then I was pulled back by worrying about my body.I suppose I could have used the "instant travel" method,but that could lead to reality flucuations...

During another O.B.E. ,I travelled near to the sun.the light didn't bother my astral vision somehow.I could also see the "ocean of fire" and turbulent energy on the surface of the sun.

during my next O.B.E. ,I plan to try and reach mars,to have a closer look at "the facility", and surrounding area.[8D]

I remember reading somewhere that physicists have realized that the only way modern theorys in quantum physics make any sense is if we were in a multi-dimensional universe.

it seems we just gotta wait for the average "don't believe it till I can grab it with my hand" type person to catch up...

For a time, I didn't know how to deal w/them.I was getting them constanltly, one after another,after another,all day for days on end.I started to feel that I was becoming "detached" from what we know of as reality.I was feeling a lot of fear, not knowing what it was all going to lead to.so, for maybe a couple of years or so, I tried to block it all out,and return to "normal" society.I couldn't totally block them out though, they would still happen sometimes.Last year I started thinking about it again,and decided I was ready to take it all on again, to see if I could reach a deeper level of awareness.that'a when the above experience happened. it still doesn't happen as much as it used to, but I'm feeling out how to open those channels again.some people call these kinds of experiences "waking dreams".I see it as a form of syncronicity which can be harnessed to alter and highten awareness and gain in knowledge not normally available to us.the way I deal with it is by coming to terms w/the fear of the unknown,and by breaking the fear of losing touch w/human reality.I do this by realizing that it's ok to explore our potential as aspects of something of a higher order,while not denying or trying to escape our humanity.

it is actually a deepening of contact w/reality and conciousness.this can be nothing but positive,if our intentions are positive and constructive.

I'm trying to gain control, and to be able to switch back and forth at will,but I haven't figured that out yet![]

ok, I have more time now.so I'll finish:

I kept walking.I came to another big anthill (human society).I pit another piece of bread on it to watch them scurry around over the "food from the sky".I'm not sure if ants eat bread,but it's fun to watch![]I moved on.2 deer suddenly leaped out of the forest into the clearing.I thought they were incredibly beautiful creatures.they were almost glowing w/beauty.they were symbols of my 2 gifts of food to the ant society.they teached me that the more you give to others,and the more you helped other living things to grow and improve, the more you recieve in return.the clearing and the 2 deer were a symbol of resolution and return, after a time of srife and struggle through the bush of the wilderness of life experiences.the beauty of the deer was a symbol of gifts we all can recieve when we give to, and help others.

whew! hope it wasn't too wierd for the readers! I don't ask for these things to happen,they just kind of happen...

swierd[]

I see what rodentmouse is getting at.I went through a period where I was getting those kinds of symobols ALL THE TIME.It got so severe that I actually had to block it out.It was beginning to interfere w/my sanity!.BTW-the 4 corners,making the square could easily act as reference points for a circle-just imagine a circle of bricks around the area where the lampposts are,w/the 4 posts spread out over an even area, to create an accurate circle,w/the central posts acting as a unifying central aspect.

judging from the setting, I'm the sort of person who would probably also see the symbolism there.that sort of thing still happenings when I open myself to it.I'm going to go out on a limb here,because I know I'm in the right place.this experience happened last year:

I was walking in the outskirts of town through the forest.I felt very peaceful, and mentally still.I felt an important "brush w/knowkledge" you could say, about to happen (it's usually the same kind of symbolism stated in this thread).this is where it gets wierd-a crow told me to "go west, to the top of the hill" in my mind,while cawing the rhythm of the sentence vocally.so I did as the crow told me.at the top of the hill,there were 2 HUGE  anthills, which I saw as symbols of human society and awareness-very limited-and in the case of the anthill-they couldn't have been aware that there was a huge city (in the eyes of an ant.it's actually just a big town of 20 000 people).the anthill was the same symbol as human awareness being limited to a tiny portion of the physical universe,and the multi-dimensional universe in general.I put a peice of bread on the anthill,just to watch them attack the food that suddenly appeared there.I kept walking.I came to an unfinished log cabin.the cabin symbolised the unfinished quality of our conciousness.very much like a cabin in the wilderness,w/the cabin being made as the same "stuff" as the universe.in the case of the cabin-wood.in the case of people vs. everything else-light.I picked up an old piece of paper. It said something about looking for people to play paintball with in the bush.it reminded me of the way human society limits themselves to rediculous daily tasks,while ingnoring the wilderness of the universe.

I'm running out of time,so I'll continue in a separate post below.....

meditation-any time at all.just as long as I have no distractions or time limits

phasing-early to mid morning (maybe 6:00-9:00 am)

I just had a phasing experience directly after a lucid dream (W.I.L.D. actually-there was no break between waking conciousness and full lucidity).see my thread entitled "from lucidity to phasing to confusion"[][]

ha![]-that's funny beavis!

I would like to be able to help people like that when I get more adept at this whole astral projection/phasing thing (confusing!).a few months ago,while relaxing in bed,I heard the sound of a small girl crying.I then heard a doctor saying she was hit by a train    [:O][].he went on describing the process he was using to try and save here life,but I guess she died.

I had the distinct feeling she didn't realize what happened,and was wondering where her mom was!

unfortunately,I don't have the experience in dealing with this stuff, so I couldn't really help her...

as long as you can feel your physical body, you probably won't be able to project (although it's probably just a MENTAL block-I'm sure some real adepts can probably do that).you might want to try doing some stretching first, then some deep meditation.the point is to get down far enough that your bodily senses just shut off,while your concious mind is alert.then (and also up to that point,just to see what happens),try to reach into the depths of your mind,into the darkness beyond your eyelids.This seems to result an an astral projection if you are lucky.it's kind of tricky-all circumstances, mental,physical,have to be just right.

just make sure you are REALLY,REALLY,REALLY relaxed,with no sound distractions. that is the key.

any distractions,from your physical body,or from the physical environment,will keep you tied to the physical dimension.makes sense.[]

I am origionally from the polluted cesspool that is southern Ontario,CANADA.it has a lot of nice countryside, and it's beautiful up north, but in the summer it's INCREDIBLY hot, humid, and smoggy in the city.

that's partly why I came to live in the mountains[]If I ever had to go back to ontario, I would get a dual-sport motorcycle,and tour around the nicer areas to keep myself sane[]

would we need  to learn a martian map first, or just project directly to the exact area?

I mainly want to use the method that is least likely to result in a reality fluctuation...

A map of mars,w/the particular places on it would be intereting, if anyone could share a link?

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about my question:  looking at those pictures again, I noticed the buried ruins of "cydonia".Interesting-does anyone know whether those kind of strictly geometric formations could occur w/out intelligent intervention.could they just be totally natural?

those pictures-OMG!

"the facility" is especially fascinating.a group of us should try to make some projections to mars in RTZ for a closer look...

Does anyone have an opinion on whether or not there could be any UNDERGROUND ruins? they wouldn't be subjected to the wind for thousands of years.