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I've tear it a couple of times to free myself from the body. At the first time it was an automatic (and somewhat familiar) movement of my arm. Due to the fear about the consequences, I've waked up instantly. At the other 3-4 occasions it was deliberate. All those cables was attached to my solar plexus regio.

Also, I've experienced the natural termination of an another cable type which used to connect to my neck. They seems to cease very quickly when an etheric projection takes a dreamy turn (can be breaked too). I've only abstain from breaking those cables which are connected to my hearth.

Although no health effects are observed, the smashing times are over. Not only I'm more cautious about the possible implications, but also my projections are shifted from being etheric as well. I've never seen the silver cord in my astral projections and at these times I don't believe it exists.

There is no doubt in my mind, Stuart Wilde's site is loaded with a great amount of excrement, but I like it. One of my favorite one is from the article called "Avoid Yoga, It's Deadly."

From http://www.stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_articles_aviod_yoga.htm

quote:You will never meet a yoga person that's not allergic or sick or weak, or dying in front of your eyes. Have you ever wondered why? I'll tell you my theory below. I reckon yoga is deadly, they all seem to be dying from it. Here's the reason but first let me explain. One thing we discovered from the wars against the ghouls is that some of them come up from an angle of 225° below you. (...) They come up through the floor or from drains and toilets from an unseen dimension below you. (...) They are devilish, etheric beings, golden colored. They look and fly like fireflies and they sting like hornets. You can dodge them because they don't move very fast but the problem is they come gang-handed. You knock a dozen down and there are fifty more behind you. (...) Well, those little buggers came up via the floor at 225°. I found it interesting that 225° is two thirds (66.6%) of the way round a compass or circle, the same numerology as the beast (666). When you are on the yoga mat, you are very vulnerable to attack from the ghouls below, who will attempt to get up inside your body. Women are even more vulnerable when their yoni is on the ground like that, exposed. It's harder for the ghouls to get up a man's penis but they will definitely try it the other way.

Most of his statements are hard to believe in, resembling efforts to crystallising farts. But who knows? You might find my hypothesis are from the same kind of background. It seems I'm very lucky with my exceptionally long penis.

Some interesting stuff on his site might be connected to rotation (from http://www.stuartwilde.com/articles/sw_articles_mirror_world.htm):

quote:Tiller's basic theory is that there is a second space, most likely primary to our four dimensional (three dimensions plus time) space. He refers to our (four dimensional) electromagnetic space as D-Space. The reciprocal space or R-Space, as Tillers has labeled it, is also a four dimensional space. However R-Space is not composed of an electromagnetic wave structure but rather a wave structure, which Tiller calls magnetoelectric. (...) Professor Tiller's experiments were designed to show that human intent (both mental and emotional) altered matter in our D-Space by activating magnetic wave structure of R-Space. He used as his subjects professional healers and professional meditators. (...) The premise of his work was that he believed conscious intent (a magnetic pulse) altered R-Space and as a result R-Space's interaction with D-Space altered it. The way Tiller explains the interaction between these two dimensions is that they are a type of mirror image of each other. His mirror image is not a perfect reflection of each other but rather an image of information being sent from one to the other (R-Space to D-Space and back). (...) Since R-Space is composed of the stuff of our conscious, this space acts as an amplification of conscious intent (i.e. I produce the particle where I expect to see it). This reciprocal field is also a potential medium for non-local activity such as distant viewing and healing. Since R-Space is not measurable with electromagnetic instruments, non-local activity or travel (i.e. information moving from one locale to another with out passing through the intervening space) can occur here and we are absolutely blind to it.

It's somewhat shooting that Tiller is a real person. Interesting excerpts from "The Tiller Model" @ http://tillerfoundation.com/tillermodel.htm

quote:My working hypothesis is that we are primarily elements of spirit, indestructible and eternal and "multiplexed" in the Divine. As such, we have a mechanism of perception which is a ten-dimensional mind domain. In turn, this mind mechanism creates a vehicle for our experience - our cosmos, our local universe, our solar system, our planet, our physical bodies, etc. This is all a "simulator" for our experience which we view from the spiritual level of self which is outside the simulator (*1).

The Tillman Simulator:

[image]http://tillerfoundation.com/tillerfig5.gif[/image]

quote:Its substructure involves two interpenetrating and conjugate 4-spaces (the physical and etheric substance domains that together form an 8-space) imbedded in a 9-space (emotional domain) which is, in turn, imbedded in a 10-space (mental domain). (...) These conjugate 4-spaces are thought to bear a special "mirror"-type relationship to each other, one being of the distance-time variety and the other being of its inverse (a frequency domain). The former is the home of electric matter of positive mass traveling at velocities slower than the speed of light, c, while the latter is the home of magnetic matter of negative mass traveling at velocities faster than the speed of light, c. Images of the magnetic charges in the "mirror" form magnetic dipoles in the distance-time domain so that the interaction of the electric charges with these magnetic dipole images constitute our conventional electromagnetism. Images of the electric charges in the "mirror" form electric dipoles in the frequency domain so that the interaction of the magnetic charges with the electric dipole images constitute another field of the magnetoelectric variety in that domain that is not observable by our conventional senses. To a close approximation, the configuration of magnetic substance in the frequency domain bears a "Fourier Transform" type of relationship with the configuration of electric substance in the distance-time domain. It is the interaction between these "matters", as viewed from the distance-time side of the "mirror", that constitutes what we presently call quantum mechanics.

While you study the table below, it can be helpful to keep in mind the supposed ability of the etheric double to levitation and rotation.

[image]http://tillerfoundation.com/tillertab4.gif[/image]

Is it possible that the bioplasm which composed the double is situated exactly at the midpoint between the D-Space & the R-Space?

The solar plexus regio is considered as the centre of will, kind of transmitter between ideas and physical events. Dreaming - which require the displacement of the bioplasm double - is supposed to have a similar function. Also, it's interest to note, that the homeopathic frequencies of the dream center situated @ neck is ~500Hz which is the upper harmonic of the solar plexus's homeopatic frequency (~250Hz). (refs.: http://www.lunarsight.com/freq.htm & the 3rd point of the last post on the 2nd page of this thread about possible application of the interconnected solar-pleus & neck centers for SOREM)

Basically, R-Space seems identical with the F22 astral word, which is the launching unit/state for astral projections after a non-etheric type separation (or techniqually after a controlled falsh awakening). This seems to be the last regio where I'm still able to lay back and match my dream body into the position of my sleeping body, because going further from the RTZ my bedroom will morf into unfamiliar places and the original directions can't be obtained.

Maybe rotation is some kind of mirroring on the solar plexus as an origo? Does it something to do with our bilateral symmetry and how its interpreted by our brains?

Monroe described in his first book that once he felt his left and right bodysides being reversed. He also wrote about a hole which manifested after a 180-degrees rotation (I mean a half spin to face downward), creating his regular gateway to Locale III a supposed parallel universe of ours. This etheric manoveur makes me to remember my dream rotations (also 180-degrees but on a perpendicular axis) and the resulted superstable dream environments as various trips into a seemingly paralell but very close universe. The most funniest was a very long projection (lasted many hours in dream time) to an alternative Cuba used by the Communists only to store nuclear weapons.

I've found an another application of rotation on a site @ http://www.phenyx-creations.com/BOS/astral%20meditation/Methods%20of%20Astral%20Projection.txt which seems to be a proper description of my efforts to stabilize the opposite sense of body awareness from the awake state:

quote:Displaced-awareness Projection

Get into your usual trance-state and make the desired conditions of the room: insence, music, candles, etc - if you listen to music, you will be able to completely tune-out, as a way of knowing your success. Your whole body should feel heavy and as if it where numb. Close your eyes and through your psychic awareness, try to sense the entire room, at once: feel yourself just above your shoulders and seeing all around. Remember to be very passive about what is going on - "allow" what you are sensing to come-through and only will for "where" you are.

As you begin to introduce other sensations, like touch, imagine you are facing backards, toward an opposite wall. Take the time to feel where you are and examine what is there - the idea is to forget about where you realy are and displace your sense of direction.
When you are ready, induce the feeling of floating high above where you are, on the roof. Look accross the expance, before you and try to feel the wind on you and the distance all around you. Fly to wherever you like.

Upon "returning", imagine that you are being absorbed and slowly coming to awareness of the room, again. It's fun to have that sudden disorienting feeling and all the physical stimuli just come back, all at once.

What is the question being already answered? I've been parcticing solar gazing by 7 months.

Michael thread? Amongst others, I don't consider AM as a genuine source of information.

quote:
On October 23, 2003, I received this article from Dr. Sudhir V. Shah, a neurologist, accompanied by the following note:

Dear Mr. Vinny: 
I had studied HRM and my article was published in a scientific index journal-Gujarat medical Journal –March-2001. 
Kindly go through the hypothesis , attached herewith. 
Dr. Sudhir

I have since been asked by Dr. Shah and Hira Manek to make this article available on the web, and so I have placed it on this sungazing website, and also in the Files area of the Sungazing e-mail list group.The article offers an interesting view of the attempts of a physician to reconcile the phenomena associated with Hira Manek's sun gazing and resultant loss of need for solid food.
--Vinny

http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/sungazing/shah-hypoth-411fast2.html
This article seems surprisingly modest from the point of view of physiology but it is worth for reading anyway.

J.Lo? hmm..yam..yam...thanks for the tip.

I'm unaware of the TMI proof too. Perhaps you confuse RAM with Dr. Charles Tart. A greet introduction to Tart's works in this field can be found @ http://www.near-death.com/experiences/skeptic03.html with link to his famous papers "Six Studies of Out-of-the-Body Experiences" (http://www.paradigm-sys.com/display/ctt_articles2.cfm?ID=50). I've read it years before but I never get tired of seeing it again.

Hello MajorTom, good to hear about you again!

Also, as being part of your body (and your perceptual environment), your physical brain is a mental construct too, because you perceive it through its own sensory mechanisms. (Just make a hole in your skull and take a look at your visual cortex with the help of a mirror.)

Recently, I see more skeptic topics, which is basically good. And more to come, because scientific minded peoples become more interested in this stuff.

They fight with their own scientific beliefs playing the hard sceptics here. But in secretly, they desperately yearn that something, someone being able to verify the phenomenon and stake off a new territories for scientific explorations. They require this verification to get caught and begin a serious practice.

Perhaps we should compile a little list for them. Like it or not, with help or without, I will do it for sure.

You can't be so sure. Are those thoughts really yours or just mere empty babble learned from books? Only one exception is enough to ruin this cloud-cuckoo-land, so its cannot be proved by any number of experiences.

Let's start by using stories you supposed to build on. Just think on the harm what "negs" are able to do. You can't separate psychological harm from physical injuries. Also, etheric OBEs are tought as week bilocations. If your double is injured, you would suffer instantenously. If you lost some bioplasm you can be sick more easily. Power lines can cause cancer by altering your double as you fly through them. You could bring home some weird things from one of your far journeys then grows symptoms of skizofrenia, etc.

You have to cultivate sober mind to transcend lucid dreams. This irresponsible bubble is tolerated by the experts only, because you're indeed in safe until you can't do RTZ-OBE at will. But you can't do RTZ-OBE at will until you get rid of this belief.

still your friend:

>>> upstream

Power of suggestion is highly underestimated. You could try to alternate suggestions & silence combined with steady gazing (trataka).

Focusing on a clock to sustain mindblanks by the feedback of timing is proved to be a powerful method for me, especially if I periodically inject proper verbal affirmations into the silence. I can project ~5/4 times by this method without doing anything else.

Don't follow the second hand, just stare on the middle of the clock as you lay motionless on your bed. You should go up at least 3 minutes without internal speech to make your affirmations powerful enough.

Affirm yourself that part of your consciousess that never sleep will awake yourself at the right moment for separation. Pretend that your intent is understand and accepted.

Observe any abstract thought that may emerge from the silence, breaking down into your consciousness as groping responses for your intent. Be aware of them, grab them, echo them, and modify them for your purpose before "swallow" them into your groin area. The feedback of this "mystic rumification" let you to grow an unquestionable feeling of success.

Don't shut your eyes until you reach your level of challange (for example total 30 minutes practice with periods of 3 minutes silence) or get the firm belief on your success. It's more difficult to loose consciousness and fall asleep with open eyes, but this practice will not hinder you to get into a deep trance. The staring could make your body very sleepy in a special way seems to conductive for OBEs.

Although you could go through the solar plexus state and get imagery without closing your eyes, you may interrupt you gazing, close your eyes and do continue with your regular method.

Also with lot of practice is it possible to reach the state of RTZ by simultaneos activation of heart & brow regios. If you suceeded, you could see two little different versions of your room: the physical one with your physical eyes and the RTZ copy of the room with your F12 energy body. Close your physical eyes, before attempt the separation, otherweise you'll might be frightened making your next attempt more difficult.

>>> upstream

RB's YO-YO OBE Technique @ http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/oobe/oobe_8.htm#14

quote:Also, I didn't think to search the forums for lifeline, I searched the Internet. Duh...

OK, good luck!

Shape changing?

oh no, oh no...

After typing the word "lifeline" in the searh engine got this link:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9759&SearchTerms=lifeline

But I can't OBE for you.

Good luck.

what a fantastic forum !
i just can't be surprised anymore...

lucky travelling !!!

Wow! Can I get one copy?

Both at the same time I suppose. Perhaps human existence is some kind of symbiosys between biological and spiritual self-organising systems. As a human person you are what you identify yourself with.

I suggest drivecrypt (I email you the executable 3.02B and its crack if you interested...at that time it was extremely difficult to get, now it's become more and more popular).

from http://www.securstar.de/drivecrypt.html

How DriveCrypt`s On-the-fly Encryption Works

quote:As data is read from the hard disk, DRIVECRYPT automatically decrypts the data before it is loaded into memory. When data is written back to the hard disk, it is automatically re-encrypted. The encryption/ decryption process is completely transparent to the user or any application program -the data is caught "on the fly" as it transfers back and forth between the hard disk and memory. Consequently, users don't need to remember to decrypt or re-encrypt their data, or change the normal operation of the PC. In addition, only individual files are decrypted at any one time, not the whole hard disk.

So takes years to the FBI to dechiper your encripted containers and find your graduation pictures or any of your child, animal, etc. porno collection.

It can even encrypt your HDD at sector level!

Privacy is your right ! (albeit illusion).

Perhaps she shouldn't travel so lot.

quote:I don't get bored and sleepy, because I can focus on something, and if it doesn't work, I have another technique to use.

Proved mentality for success.

quote:I imagined that the physical body sent these very tight elastic cords around my double to lasso it back in, and I forced myself up and away from the physical body as much as possible, feeling my shoulders roll up and away, etc.

Basically, this is the Munchausen trick you could see in work in the Rope: imagining of making efforts against something trying to pull you back.

quote:Does anyone else here use the point-shift technique?

Search for the "lifeline" technique. I think the thing about time is an uniportant frippery in the technique, because its main effect is an etheric filament emanated from your solar pleuxus (like the silver cord). So, effort synchronised to breathing out is very important.

It's like the awareness hands in the Rope, identical with the secondary center of consciousness used in RB's NEW, with the differencies that you pretend yourself at that point (creating a primary c.c.). Also Rope is more effective, when you think about yourself becoming more and more elevated by every grip.

Point shifting works in my case as a statement of purpose. Due to deep silence I always lost my consciousness for at least a moment before etheric separation takes place.

Perhaps it's too late, but you should know, there is still a little possibility that you can escape from this whole OBE thing, jazz back and have a normal life. Otherwise you'll be hooked for ever.

Anyways, good luck and welcome in the forum!

(I always wish to say that...welcome in the forum...it's so cool...)

>>> upstream

For some reason numbers are very easy to remember in dreams. Also, you could convert them to pictures by memo techniques.

Actually, (don't laugh!) I've made some lame attempts to win the lottery (perhaps 5-8) - without any success. Also, I have been speculate a lot about "event cones" and so on, and come to a conclusion similar to yours, Suigin. Not only time between prediction and draving is seems to be a factor, but also you have to maximalize your distance from the drawing place.

However, the most greater hindrance may come in a forms of regular dreams you can't control. Not only you'll tell about your attempts to your relatives but you'll "broadcast" your changed state in space and time modifliing the future even more than it can be possibe in awake without taking any movements.

You have to pay advance 2% of your av. lottery prize for this information (we will agree on payment method in PM).

Because we will rich...

I have read it a years ago and I like it. Simple and beautiful, almost science. I'm sure it will work, but never tried yet. Regarding my experiences about the silver cords, rising the activity from the solar plexus to the heart in order to shift consciousness to the astral is something that makes sense for me. But transcending our DNA? What does it mean?

Thanks Wisp, I do my best.

Concluded from my very limited success of Rope (excluding RB is anyone at all able to do that?), it seems to me that the greatest hindrance for being able to directly separate the etheric body, is an unfulfilled notion about its putative "solidness." If other people are like me, they try to separate their etheric body as it would be a second physical body. Due to this misconception, they will tense up all the time, especially in their legs.

By succesfully holding the body sense of opposite orientation, this misconceptions will be gone naturally. The first separable portion of the energy body is the bioplasm associated to the solar plexus regio. Its dislocation will cause the "torso energy rush" sensation. However, the best body for RTZ travelling is associated to the hearth regio, representing a more subtle type of energy.

So, from purely a theoretical point of view, the double rotation should facilitate any kind of OBE, because anyone who is capable to hold stable the sense of their rotated positon will get off the hindrance of tensing up at separation due to the total abolishion of the false identification with the physical body.

Hope it makes sense.

SerGey komám, üdvözöllek a fórumon! Ezek itt mind azt hiszik, hogy Nyugat Szaharából jöttem és néger vagyok, úgyhogy ne leplezz le.

Most jól megzavarom õket néhány képpel:

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Beteszem azt a fickót is, mert jó ötletnek tûnik:



Mekkor a poén!
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Jó szórakozást, remélem sokat tanulsz majd és segítesz másoknak!

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Reeny, please accept my apologies for all my sins against you. (We were taught in the university that girls doesn't dream.)

[image]http://www.whimsicalnotes.com/children/bear_with_purple_flower.jpg[/image]

T.J., I don't tease you anymore, thanks for your patience.

Hey, SD, nice to have you here.
Where are we going tonight, heh?

what? transcending our DNA? what does it mean exactly?

biologist on the verge of getting a nervous breakdown:

>>> upstream