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Hi Basajaun,
Welcome on the band-wagon. Your all doubts are perfectly valid and acceptable.
And now that you are feeling comfortable, I'll direct you to this thread for discussing the objectivity issues in AP - http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17727&highlight=verification

Its my experience that majority of guys here are of your type, rational and open-minded, plus very creative. The 'I'm right-you're wrong' thing is tempting, but it saves time and bandwidth if one jumps straight on the subject, not on the people. You know 'the great minds discuss ideas' thing.

As far as the question of how to start is concerned, there is tons of info on it in this forum and on internet and in books. So there is no point in asking for help when everything is already served in front of you.

AP is a lot like a fun ride in a theme park initially, but to gain something useful from it is very difficult, its a lifetime business. There is some reason no-one on earth could prove its objectivity, given that so many civilizations lived and died without even doubting its existence. Perhaps this is the right time.

Yes, he talks about it being manifesting only 56% of its weight. It being invisible at certain temperatures etc...strange properties. He also says that cooper pairs  flows like light inside it. Its a superconductor at room temperature. Its there in our body, he claims, so we have a 'light body' made up of cooper pairs flowing without resistance......now that can be called 'astral matter', but I would not jump to conclusions so soon

Roger Penrose proposed the Microtubule theory in his shadows of the mind book, but never mentioned ORME, iirc.

I did some search and some people mention that eating it can give you spiritual powers, they are normally present in everyday food though.

http://www.handpen.com/Bio/alchemy.htm

So I guess that if brain is a transducer and uses ORME to convert non-physical energies into physical, we can have a device that mimics this. That gives me some important clues.

Thanks Nightwolf,
That was interesting stuff, never heard before.
I heard all the mp3 lectures of him, very interesting.....
ORME seems to be promising for antigravity etc, but I couldn't understand how is it in between astral and physical?
And how can we use it as transducer?

I dont know exactly, but AP practice and the experience gained by it will help to maintain lucidity after death. Thats what Tibetans strive for and many here on this forum wish to do the same, including me.

Hi
Your symptoms indicate that you have loosened your astral body.
But I may be wrong.
The same things happened to me, when I tried to loosen my astral body using Robert Bruce's methods. I got easy vibes, floating sensations throughout the day. In fact a few times I felt as if I fell down the chair, when I was sitting normally and no one saw me move. It can seem real.

If you are not on any meds, then its a positive sign. A loose astral body can help you project easily. But if you want to get rid of it, do some grounding etc.

Well Chiel, when I'm dead, I'm buried in mud and bugs are happily feeding on both left and right parts of my brain. So no question of using so and so part of the brain here

Now no one knows how one can think without a brain after death. One way to describe away this is to assume that we think in our mind not brain and there are no left and right in mind. Brain acts as a transducer for those thoughts and when body goes beyond repair, mind gives up, it withdraws and you are brain-dead.

But just because there is no brain, logical abilities and rational thinking does not disappear. Check the NDE accounts of brain-dead guys. They report full awareness and rational thought.

Having said that, I feel its possible to think according to any logic in non-physical. Logic does not hold its logic there. Check the accounts of lucid dreamers. They are in full fledged dreams, pure dreams, with all logical faculties functioning, but if they want a pink elephant, its there.....logic says yes it is, more real than real. If your logic says wings are missing on him, you see wings the next second. You know all things are possible there, so I wont conclude anything for now

the_dole,
I'll tell you a trick if you want to get rid of it. Just pretend that you are an actor, and the director has told you to look straight into one's eyes and talk two sentences at least. Keep it light and non-serious.

Effectively lying is a social skill, necessary for human survival. Deceit is something everyone practices including apes. It evolved as a survival strategy and provides evolutionary advantage. Lying for fun or to cause harm is considered immoral, which gives rise to a feeling of guilt, shame and fear, it is this feeling we try to hide by avoiding eye-contact.

Good liars can lie and still make eye-contacts while doing it, they have somehow suppressed the fear and guilt associated with it. They take it as humor and dont get involved in it internally.

There are some liars who believe their lies are truth so strongly, that they themselves dont know they are lying. (Check the prophecies and communications forum if you doubt me ). They dont have problems of low-esteem or eye-contact at all.

But there are other reasons to avoid eye-contact. Some cultures find it rude to do so with elders, strangers, women and high ranking people. Sometimes if one avoids it too much, just assume he is not interested in you and finds you boring (Happens with me all the time). Or you are incredibly ugly

Well, you seem to be on the right track.
But you didn't define your terms, so everyone here would interpret your logic as he pleases.... no use you see.
You should define these terms precisely and solidify them - god, existence, ego, everything, separation and other key words, before you even start.

Possible Demonic Extraterrestrials?

Oh ... you mean bible + star trek ?

ChielV,
The question of what happens after the death is much more complicated then it seems. It depends on how conscious the person was during the death, situation at that time, his beliefs, his spiritual status etc. Although I'm not an expert on this stuff, my guesses are -

1. The person enters a sleeplike state and after some time, wakes up in non-physical surrounded by other spirits, that assure him.
2. The person remains conscious, sees his dead body, realizes the situation and proceeds either on his own or is helped by spirits. He may wander in rtz for few days possibly.
3. The person may become non-lucid and start creating the dream environment, and may forget what has happened.(we are so familiar with this thing). He gets 'trapped' in the dreams because now his body is no more capable of calling him back.
4. The person, if he had enough spiritual training, leaves the body as usual and heads straight for his business, freed from the physical at last.
5. The person, if less intelligent/developed, can refuse the truth of dying, repress it and go partially mad. His desires overtake him and he becomes earthbound ghost, eternally confused.
6. The person can enter a belief territory, fully realizing that he is dead. Sometimes without realizing that he is dead but fully lucid.
7. There can be more situations, of which I dont know.

If you can still feel your body or breathing during vibrations, you are not relaxing or letting it 'go'. Just be passive and let the vibes continue, without paying much attension but staying calm and slightly conscious.

Dont feel your breath, focus on sounds.

Its surprising that most people are not even aware that western civilization is the last one to accept the idea of a non-physical reality. Its still not officially accepted I guess. So I dont think any one can be called a pioneer there.

West could not make advances in this field due to -
1. Greek influence
2. Christianity
3. Materialism
4. Technology

But it did make great progress in science, which others also did but now that knowledge is lost. Most of the spiritual knowledge of the east got buried below the religions and dying cultures.

The knowledge of non-physical was indeed advanced in India and Tibet and it was taught in schools and universities, it was a way of life. People accepted it as we accept scientific things now. Spiritual people were most respected, even by kings, for they possessed immense knowledge and power.

Sadly, human tendencies and nature took over, but we are starting again in the right direction.

Ammonium Nitrate-->(slow heating)-->N2O+H2O

It smells sweet by the way. Dont smell too much of it because you may fall down after the laughing part is over.
Dont make too much of it, because its a green house effect gas.

It actually supports the claims that oobes are produced whenever brain cuts off external sensory-motor stimulii.

1) Is it possible to use OBE to find out what really happened to my cat (remote viewing, Akashic Records, ... ) ?

2) If my neighbor is found guilty via 1) (he is too smart to leave any physical evidence), do you think it bad to seek revenge ?

3) How could I astrally get back at him ? What would you recommend ?

You cannnot use any of paranormal things being discussed here in this forum for practical purposes. This is the law.

PS:Get a new physical cat.

[Stage 1 :]

1. Try breaking the sleep cycle. Go to bed early, wake up before time and then go to bed again.

2. Relaxation (mental and physical), not the tiredness is required.

3. Monkey mind can be trained in normal waking hours better, like while eating, showers, walking, waiting, travelling.....etc.

Stage 1 : Put alarms into your mobile phone which says - "Stop internal monologue". Do the same on your white boards, wallpaper, screensaver, below your wallclock etc.
Stage 2 : After you decide you want to stop the chatter, see yourself. Thoughts would arise in less than 2 secs. Say in your mind - "I acknowledge this." Or simply "ACK". Wait. Repeat if other thoughts arise.
Stage 3: In case of severe turbulence, negate each and every thought as soon as it arises. For example, a thought comes -"Today is sunday....", negate immediate by thinking - "Today is NOT sunday". A thought - "I may not make it....", negation follows - "I may make it..".
Stage 4 : Now with above practice, you will began seeing the origin of thoughts. I.e. the deeper level where they are born, they are without language and grammar here. Try to kill them there itself by a deeper "ACK".
Stage 5 : You will see that all thoughts arise out of unfulfilled desires, fears, habits, good and bad relations, hurt, envy and so on.....So get rid of those things as much as possible. Reverse is also true, if you get rid of these undesirable thoughts, you are freed of those emotions.
Stage 6 : Dont forget the tricks you learned above while you are in Astral , you need thought control 100x here.

4. Write down all your oobe related problems, mostly you can find answers yourself, or ask them here

It can be a training ground to develop your abilities and control your mind by slowing it down to a low vibration. The solid physical dampens the thought = action spiral effectively, giving you a better control.

Having said that, why would anyone build such a horrific training school? And why would one still like to come here after a single experience.

If you really wanted to learn something it could have been at least painless and a little bit pleasent, with an option to painlessly abort the training. Oh, and most importantly, I dont see a need to destroy all the knowledge of youself before going to a school.

I have a feeling that this world is a prison and we are being kept here so that we learn our 'lessons'. We are brainwashed before the birth and programmed to forget everything. Somehow we get bound to a body and cannot escape. We are forced to stay in this body, and the punishment for escaping - severe pain. We avoid death to avoid pain.

Fear is programmed into us so that we dont venture too much into non-physical. Although there are some loop holes and hacks (AP), but it is kept effectively under check. If you look at what we really do here, you'd find it absolutely ridiculous. We eat, sleep, excrete, fight like dogs for food and space and struggle every second of our lives. We have emotions programed into us to keep us in control. Those who behave nicely in spite of these pressures are allowed out, else you are pushed back again in a new birth.

No spirits (except the negative ones) want to interfere here, although they may help someone who is doing well. All things are kept secret, especially the non-physical ones by hook or crook, but by mostly supplying contradictory information. Physical laws are built such that we cant escape too far away from this small ball of mud and rock.

I came across similar ideas on Internet, so its definitely not a product of my mind only. Its too negative for me accept and I avoid such thoughts if possible, but something bugs me often, that it could be true.

Our vision is designed in such a way that there has to be some movement, either of the eye or of the object, for something to be seen at all. These rapid but small movements of the eye ball are called Saccades. Without them we are as good as blind.

When you stare at something stationary for long enough without moving your eyes or head and without blinking, the image stops exciting the neural mechanisms involved and slowly starts blurring out, and fades into the background sometimes. You can make things disappear for a second if you try hard. This is especially true when you see from the corners of the eyes, the sensory cells there are designed to detect only moving objects.

Some animals, (e.g pigeons) must move their heads a lot, in quick jerks to see something. Because their eyes are optimized for seeing during fast motions (flying etc).

Its too late, you are already mad.

Jokes aside, dont take any such guys so seriously. I think you should completely get rid of your fear before attempting the oobe.
Join a sect which says you can't go mad by leaving any sects.

malim, the topic you raised is a difficult one and it may take some time to get some response  
Its a very convoluted way in which our brains trick us into believing in the existence of unidirectional time. Even then the brain itself doesn't operate in that manner always and disobeys its own rules, to ensure its survival. Check this Slide show -
http://www.lfr.org/LFR/csl/SlideShows/PrestimulusResponse/index.html#

Given that we do have a natural ability to predict events, which is dormant because of our dependence on superior logical abilities, its only a question of how accurately can we do that. The accuracy is limited it seems, so to exactly get all the digits of a lottery number would be difficult, but its relatively easy to sense the danger before crossing a railway track !

Memory always implies an aftereffect of an event, its not the event itself. Memory is a parallel occurrence which 'imprints' the event. It is quite possible that a future event gets 'imprinted' on the present or past, but the actual event is only perceived by consciousness at a specific 'time', while the memory can be perceived at any time. Consciousness itself takes part in actualizing the event, so it becomes too complicated. We can not only affect the future but past also.

Some links that I found interesting -

http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/martial.html
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg14319402.500
http://www.enlightenment.com/media/breland/breland1.html

Yes, I do have such experiences. A few times I had some desires which were nothing really big, and they surprisingly were granted within months. When I pondered back on the efforts I made to get them, the effort was almost nil, it came naturally.

I also found that while making the desires I unknowingly believed that I would get them 100% and just pretended that they are about to happen soon, whenever I remembered of them, then forgot about them quickly without much worry.

Yeah, if you start somewhere (ex: planet earth for the physical or another thing for a specific astral plane), it might be possible to create some type of coordinates and reference points to map the astral

How are you gonna effectively map astral when everyone perceives it differently? Even your own perceptions of the same thing (e.g your room) in astral differ from visit to visit. The liquid nature of it defys any such attempts. There are no directions and no time, no laws and no maths holds. Bruce will surely map it, but it will be his own version.

What we need here is different pointers, perhaps of mental nature, which can be unambiguously shared by all. Then we can proceed to invent a logic not based on numbers, so that one can follow those pointers using a special astral logic and arrive at some destination without having any previous experience of that astral location. This is of course my guess only.

Perhaps spirits know about shared realities, which are somewhat permanent, and as there are no geometrical relations holding here, we can at least list them out, if some spirit bothers to tell you. You can't visit them because you don't know they are there, and without anyone to guide you, you are on your own mostly. Create your own and let it dissolve in seconds, back to your body....

We all assume the mind exists, even though there is no physical proof of its location or its nature. Should I believe that the mind doesn't exist because there is no proof that it does, likewise to how one can't believe in spirit guides for similar reasons?

This looks like off topic, but there's not much fun when you only post on topic  
Your mind is nothing but you yourself. There is self reference when you assume that you exist, there cannot be any assumptions, because you are identical to the mind you are assuming. No other proof is required, other than proving the identity -> YOU=YOU. Which any simple logic allows.

Nevertheless there is no direct proof of existence of other minds (which leads to an interesting debate covered under solipsism). You must infer it from others actions. Simple experiments can tell you that there are more 'minds' other than your own. You cannot perceive the mind directly because its not a physical object and your senses and scientific instruments are designed to detect only physical entities. However you can easily infer the existence of other minds by communicating to them, if you get a meaningful communication which is consistent and repeatable and verifiable. You can also check the effect it has on its surroundings and detect its presence, just like we detect physical 'energy'.

Spirit guides are non-physical and we cant see them directly for the similar reasons, they are only 'minds'. However you can communicate with them, through unknown means, perhaps by lending them your own 'hardware' (brain) for a while. What we lack is the ability to do it consistently, only a few have such talents and skills.
Moreover, there are no publicly verifiable accounts of such communications, except personal experiences. So although existence of minds other than your own is established beyond doubt, we have far less evidence for the existence of spirit guides and such, to establish them scientifically. Possibility that they are real cannot be denied. Only way to show this is to set up rigorous experiments, which seems to be a difficult task ATM.

Besides, maths is our way of describing nature, and it seems to do such a damn good job.....oh yeah and maths can describe probabilites (random) quite adequately too....

So, whats the equation for computing the intensity of chi-energy?
How would you calculate the coordinates of your astral location?
How many times higher is the frequency of buddic plane from that of astral?

I wouldn't be surprised if you find these questions stupid and are laughing on me. But hopefully I conveyed the point that only physical plane yields to mathematical analysis. And perhaps we dont need spirits to tell us that, we are spirits ourselves who are in the best position to see that.

What we do expect that if a higher spirit on a higher plane has learnt any such laws about their own planes, which can help us here to progress spiritually, should have communicated them by some kind of systematic means. But obviously that has not happened, and we are wondering the whys and hows of that in this thread. Its a different matter altogether that you chose to support the "claims" of someone you know for whatever reasons.

Are you actually serious in all these "show me the proof" statements,

Well I dont know what CaCoDeMoN is asking here, but I feel he is just saying that her claims are just her opinions and personal experiences, not based on scientific experiments. Even if true, they are not acceptable because that's how science works.  

Technology? Show me at least one channeling that has any technological value.

Thats right. There are none.

Physics was also researched without help of any spiritual entities, if it isn't so then show me the proof.

Physicists are far away from spiritual activities, so there's no chance that they would communicate with spirits for proposing theories. And as we all know very few theories survive the test of time, so anything if it was communicated 100 years back to physicists is wrong !
Now dont tell me that spirits lied to physicists just for fun.

And whoever inspired a scientist to build a nuke or bio-weapons was not very intelligent. Perhaps he was a demon not an angel, one would say. I admire his knowledge of nuclear science. It is strange that no angel prevented its use, or even warned. On a serious side, its not possible to get a proof. You are breaking your head on a wall, if you are asking a proof from people who are already "sure" about such communications.

Spirits don't prevent things like in Iraq and Sudan.

Thats why I say that the "only for personal use" approach is so unfortunate, given their powers to predict so accurately.

why then communicating with demons is extremely easy, much easier than communicating with dead relatives?

Even demons don't leave a trace. But its not correct to say that angels are proudy, they could be at most indifferent or work in background. Although demons usually make their intentions very clear, angels are shy in giving away their secret methods of operating.

These are not my views, just some observations. So if anyone knows about things that are otherwise, please put them down here.