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My ignorance? I think not little one, perhaps you should do much more research into these medicines, sure there are stuff that helps and what not, but hell, I can guarantee there are many medical organizations who keep cures away from the populace, and hell, if such medications can alter ones ability to project, who knows what else it negative things it can do, and don't give that "save lives" rubbish, these are just bodies nothing more nothing less, your higher self will NOT allow any thing to intefere in the higher selves chosen path, including premature death, this is not a go at people who use such medicines, it's just there are certain medicines that do more harm than good... oh look, this whole thread is sorta off topic now, any way, back to the subject at hand

I have not had any experience with antidepressants, but from my observations, people seem to stop having OBE'S while on the use of such poisons, honestly, I only can laugh at the saw called western "medicine" if you can call it that, if it can cause such things like this, who knows what else this rubbish is doing.

I have experienced this a few times, the trick is just to move through it, it is caused by a temporary belief system, just "KNOW" you can move through it, and you shall, or focus on a distant object and draw your self there

ya i know how ya feel, at times when i project things are not right at all or i even manipulate physical objects, but there have been obes when i have seen things than verified in the physical, its strange no?

no, no they dont, they just lower your brainwaves to that when you are relaxed, i can listen to them for hours on end, and they wont work if i dont properly lay down and do the whole shabang, they dont do any thing in terms of ejecting you out of your body, think of them as an aid in relaxing and slowing down the mind.

yes you need both of the headphones to work in stereo to have the beats work

thats a very good sign there, i get that just before i leave, to keep it short, your on the home streach and on the right path.

this brings an experience i had a few months ago, i left went out through the window, fly over the next house, i saw the neighbours cat on the roof, as soon as it saw me, it started runing! i remember trying to grasp it, but i couldnt, as it was running, its head was turned back to see what i was, i chassed it and cornered it, now at this point the cat was freaked out yes very curious to what i was, it was quite an interesting experience.

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quote:Originally posted by manuel

Oh you must be feeling so very proud []

Was that Irony. If so I didn't get it. No I am not really that proud of myself. But I had fun posting that thread, thats all just harmless fun, and I will let you in on a secret, shhhh I was not all that drung, just mildly tipsy . and by the way are you proud of yourself???

of course it was irony, my irony is strange, some get it..some dont [] just messin with ya []

sites like zeta talk is full of b.s really, i realy think her "alien" sources if you will is nothing but negs in disguise.

actualy, there is a whole belief system deeply ingrained in many a projector that they can stay out for short periods of time, which is just total rubish! yes, most of my experiences have been short lived, but, the longest i had was 45 mins out, i have a friend, who stayed for 6 hours, or Robert Monroe who went out for long periods of time, it all depends though.

for me it has to be the fact i have to work in a job that requires me to work afternoon shifts, so i can dedicate my mornings to obe, no noon shift, i dont work, simple.

Oh you must be feeling so very proud []

Hello all, I have had a handfull of experiences in the void, from what I gather so far, the void seems to be a place where one can access all dimensions both upper and lower, I have demanded to go to places in the void, I remember feeling cool air (?) blowing around me, than the place i demanded to go to slowly come to view, all amazing stuff, i felt no fear in the void at all.

Peace
Manu

yes bw gen is a good tool to lower the brain frequency, and believe me, it does, my fav presets are f10 and f27 altough i find f27 more effective.

god they will inhale any thing!

yes it is the spleen one which controls the sexual energies i think, the root one is based on survival, needs etc, still odd, does it every now and again.

firstly, congrats on your obe, it sounds like a very interesting one indeed, i am not to sure what happened there with the alarm and what not, but this guy who said you can be possesed does not know what he is talking about, no, you cannot be possesed.

hey NL_TU what you are seeing in the sky is the life force energy of the sky and air, yes its real stuff, i see it to, try and look at plants and trees, you may start to see a shimering wave like energy.

yes please do, he is a bloody troll, its like a dog that pisses on every fire hydrant.

quote:Originally posted by Risu no Kairu

According to the Ladder Theory, http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html , no.

lol! you been to that site as well?? what a small world ahh, i have learned that women say so many things, yet they dont know what the hell they want, rule 1, never take advice on dating/relatitionships of women, trust me on this guys, they dont know what they want them selves, any way, back to what i was saying, if a guy and girl realy did dig each other and than the girl pulls out the "lets be friends" crap, there is no real chance on a friend ship, come on! who wants to be downgraded from lover to friend?? of course, if the choice was both mutual than i cant see why not, ah look at me, im rambling, off to bed.

*DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!*

      Managment

thats simply awesome, i always look for these type of experiences, so intresting. [8D]

all right every one, grab yer buckets!!! it's urinating time!!!!!!! []

i used to have a similar problem like you, and the best way to get out is the roll out method, give it a try next time.