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Actually its been in the air - I've felt it, and a few other forums I know of have flamed up recently (think its passing). Also major solar activity and SOHO missing shed loads of data. Coincidence?

Just chill, these things happen, whatever the reason.

OK well first you kinda shoot yourself in the foot by saying that you are new (dont know the background of the situation) and cant be bothered to skim 5 pages to look for answers.

"Okay James should have given a better reason but then again don't try to recruit people and don't force your beliefs on others; a belief is exactly what it says it is, an opinion. "

I think you are missing quite a big point - this is a place for real spiritual discussion. If you base your beliefs on DBZ then you're going straight up the wrong street - and generally these people wont listen othewise. So you have lots of people talking about a load of things that are simply not based in the real world....not a good thing. Now, I'm not saying it is not possible to fly, create balls of energy etc, but I see little evidence that anyone here is an incarnated deity (avatar), so perhaps its best to concentrate on whats actually possible? Further, chances are you're not going to scare any demons of any sort with this stuff. Even if it was real - the average teen blessed with that sort of power would do more harm than good.
So there are a lot of people who want to talk about this stuff "out there" - what do you do if they start significantly changing the forum decor? ...

...and (I've been saying this for ages...), if you have a genuine issue please just contact a mod or person in question directly. Much easier that way.

oohh I forgot to say: Many many things are possible. Eg:
- Planet x coming in causing massive changes on earth through a) long range ionic-electric effects (devastating) b) thinning the veil (possible devastating, possible good) c) all the evil people living on the planet (devastating - red elk talks about this, and he's a solid guy!) d) comets hitting earth
- Some sort of galactic alignment, eath shifting into a higher energy belt (energy streams have been found between stars, making the energy field of pyramids spontaneously grow at certain times of the year). Many names given to this, cant remember any now though. Possible ascension.
- Shift on timeframes from the age of pisces to the age of aquarius. Everyone kills eachother as past institutions crumble, then have some sort of mass realisation and lay down their weapons. Golden era.
- New World Order crew bring their plans centerstage, collapse of USA, one world government, most the population wiped out, those remaining are mind-controlled slaves to the power elite.
- Russia and China co-operate using scalar weaponry (Tom Bearden) to destroy USA and western nations, leading to their rise and hegemony over all the planet. Black ops and sectret government military/industrial types slink into the background.
- Biological attack on western soil facilitated by "rogue nations" (lol like chaina, saudi, etc) with massive casualties. Massive war, potential arms races, destruction of all remaining civil liberties.
- Revelations style 2nd coming, end-of-world scenario, time when demons and satan run amok - armageddon. Psychic attacks and demonic activity is on the increase (and please dont bring in this silly astral demon NOT other demon argument, thats like saying the rockefellers and not evil people they are evil incarnated physical beings). Afterwhich time of the New Jerusalem.
- Small inventors discover the secrets of manipulating ether/zero-point energy, heralding a new technological era of no disease, anti-gravity, limitless energy, and we explore space.
- Oooh pushing it now what else.....hrumm....massive attack by alien races who enslave the entire human race....return of the annunaki......races who live in the vast cave systems beneath our feet erupt out the ground......demon war in 2012.....reptilians take over......etc etc etc ad infinitum.

Any of these things "could" happen, some are definately credible, and might well happen. But if you really want to help the world, you have to get realistic. And you have to be able to measure things against eachother, logically and objectively. And look inside. And generally do lots of things which you cant learn by watching cartoons!!!!

OK now pls stop posting all these similar threads, or I expect more will be locked.
btw this is more of an explanatory post for my feelings and where I think things are. I hope its made some lights go on but I have little interest in discussing it! Or debating it more likely, because a lot of people right now are thinking of oh-so-many rationalizations as to why I am wrong, instead of taking a step back, deep breath, and THINK FOR YOURSELF..

adios
Rob

"As for Whitley Strieber, he pisses me off. His alien conspiracies are rooted firmly in unstable material yet he pulls more information out of his rear end trying to convince people that his basis for his beliefs is stable. Some crap about Gnostic Christian texts talks about Archons, which, in case you don't know, means "dark rulers." Now all of a sudden he says that it "points to the existance of Greys." Ancient texts are so freakin vague that you can't just say that it points to something, no matter how much stuff you pull out of your...well...swearing's been banned."

[:O] Rather an oversimplification! I think the reason Whitley can say greys are real is more because he has had considerable physical contact with them, and put himself through deep hypnosis to try and prove he is not lying. There's a lot more to this issue than you make out. You've heard of the Starchild skull and all its weird cousins I assume....
As for the ancient text bit, a bit unfair IMO. I have never heard he say anything about that so I'm guessing it is not one of his main thrust arguments but more complimentary......
I like Whitley!
Rob

"Rather than waste time speculating, why not meditate and work on AP techniques?"

Because your realisations are not everybody elses. Its a big world out there, and I'm a firm believer that you get out what you put in. Would you have told darwin not to bother looking into this new evolution thing? Just because we are not the discoverers doesn't mean we cant think about these topics. Its good flexing of the mind, and its a good way for people to break standard thinking.

aho!

Rob

Hey man, RB is very busy at the moment. He's over here in the UK at the moment, and then to Portugal for a week, so I'm afraid you might have to wait a while for your reply. Sorry mate! If I speak to him I'll give him this link.

Rob

nthjbam:

quote:Don't you think they would have left some sort of significant instalations, like underground or whatever, with stuff? They wouldn't repack everything and not leave a trace, only leaving fables behind, wouldn't there be leaked technology?

Where would be the most logical place to leave large stocks of equiptment, where they are not going to be found? Underground! This whole planet is full of some serious tunnel, cave and cavern networks. For instance - South America (I know they dynamited one (AARRGG!!!) perfectly formed huge block entrance cos it was a "safety risk" - people would go in and not return, crazy indiana jones stories from the first expeditions, which were looking for gold said to be hidden there by the natives to hide from the white man), Australia (a very skilled RVer I kinda know decided to target Uluru/Ayers rock, found lots of tunnels, Aboriginal people gaurding the entrance, very powerful entity guarding the entire site, and large stocks of ummm equiptment and stuff technology inside)....where else.....north US and canada has those insane holes eg Mels hole and other stuff. Great pyramid has been rumoured to have entire city systems below it (there was supposed to be a video taken around 98-01 if I remember right when some expedition broke in, I read of it - sounded incredible - but then it all went hush, shame), perhaps other pyramids signify similar.
As for leaked technology and other evidence - yeah, probably, but that was a loooong long time ago. Also remember to take into account the time of the destruction of Atlantis - a lot of things were lost or destroyed then.

You guys know of the "starchild" skull and the other? They're fascinating. I wonder how much of what happened in the past was alien influenced, and how much was human. That really is a big question I guess.

no leaf:

quote: Did you know that the three Great Pyramids aligned perfectly with Orion's Belt in the year 15,000 BCE?

....and 2600 BCE []

If only we still had the great library eh!? We can thank early catholicism with that, for what its worth.

laters
Rob

ps you know, I have read so many different explanations for what people say happened in the past, but they all seem to be contradictory!

quote:Originally posted by nthjbam

Ok.

I have one good question.  If these guys are so advanced and can do space travel etc.  Why the heck do they need a runway?  Why can't they just land on the spot.  vertical take off and landing?  Are there any good websites which outline these races, people, and says what they are all about?

Be well,
J

Maybe they were human? There are legends of giants in human past - also seen as "fallen angels" (came from above?) who were destroyed when God got angry at them for taking (native) human wives (Book of Enoch I think). They also seem to have brough high technologies with them. I've seen gold shirts in the gold museum of lima that could only fit a giant, and the gravity of mars (1/3 of earth) would also fit this.
But its all very confusing - trying to analyse tens, even hundreds or millions of years of human history with....."extremely limited data" is an understatement. Every time I think I have a good handle on things I find something else that makes me realise I dont have a clue. With so many, many factors to try and pull together its like looking for a needle in a haystack. Interesting though!

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Rob

Lets NOT get into another mysticweb discussion, please! At least, not through thread-jacking a topic which is many times more important. Besides, the last time that place was discussed we established pretty clearly what they were all about (....), the icing on the cake being when they forced the astral pulse to remove said thread. No censorship?? pfft. How ironic.

(Must.....resist....being....pulled.....into.....pointless......mysticweb......discussion........arg!!!)

Rob

ps (damn) "you obviously still have your free will intact" - not true when magical influences are involved. If you want to discuss this please PM me and lets not degrade this thread any more.

Hey Kamil, I am so sorry to hear of your loss.

There are a few ways I know of which might work to get in touch with her:

The first is a simple telepathic connection, preferably from deep trance. Use your mind to send out a call to her as loud as you can, then relax and try and establish contact.

Second requires you to learn OBE, which is perhaps where your biggest hope lies since you actually want to interact with her like she was physical. There is a training guide on OBE on the mother site www.astralpulse.com - and if you find that good but want to know more the book is obviously around. Before, or after you get out, again call her telepathically to you. Or perhaps use the virtual reality creation thingy with a mirror and cut out picture.

Third would be to use dreams, if you can get lucid you might be able be able to do the above like in an OBE. But dreams are more fickle, so IMHO you might want to work towards OBE at the same time as this. It seems that to get the best results you will need to teach yourself to become lucid - reality checks, affirmations, etc.

Fourth - and I am only putting this in for completeness, I dont expect or advise this - is to get in touch with a medium.

I'm guessing you'll have the will power to get OOB, that shouldn't be a problem, so make sure you spend a lot of time working on relaxation.

I really hope this helps, I dont think I can add too much more that you cant find elsewhere so.....good luck!!

OOoh except one unrelated point - people who have passed on seem to appreciate our prayers......

much love
Rob

ps to everyone: avoid mysticweb like the plague. Trust me! But I'm not interested in a discussion of this point, especially not from anyone within their fold.

Well, the Wachowski brothers - from the interviews I have seen on them - are seekers who would fit right in in a place like this. They have obviously put a lot of thought into the movie - not necessarily saying its real, but I think its meant to highlight a number of philosophical points (a metaphor....or even parable!) eg how do you know your perception is reality, then you dont; and so the only thing you can really Know is "I AM". Does it then really matter whats "real" and what is "not" as perception defines YOUR reality? A bomb goes off, I close my eyes, what difference?
As Beavis well put it - it might not be real, but that aint the point, the point is whether you can prove it to be true or not. How do you know that everyone you meet on the streets in real life are not just fleshy robots and you are the only real human? When it comes right down to it, the heart with its love and care for our fellow humans is the ONLY thing that has to power to hold us in the physical. If thats broken then life loses a lot of its meaning.
Well, if I hadn't have already thought all these thoughts before, the matrix could have really made me think []
An interesting titbit - they made some of the actors read 3 books before they even looked at the script. Just had a mosey around and think the books were Kevin Kelly's Out of Control, Jean Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation, and another (something to do with evolutionaryness I think []). The brothers are exceedingly well read, very intelligent, and etc.
So, damn good entertainment it certainly is, but that doesn't stop it from having depth and insight to it should you care to have a look......and some great quotes in it which could be applied to the world we live in, if you really wanted to!

Rob

Oh please, chill out! Language is a tool to get what you are saying across to the other person/people. If job has been achieved, nomatter how much "language" is truly used, who cares? And what does it bother you if those people really CANT spell?? So long as you can vaguely understand them......although you sound like you dont want to know what they are saying anyway........

c u l8r!

R

Oh hello there - welcome back! I've doing fine thanks - back at uni, the world has gone quite hazy all of a sudden [8D]. How's about you? Got any exciting new theories?!?

Yes, I am familiar with orgonomy and reich. Alas I still have no idea why sheets of metal and non-metal should cause a flow of orgone energy. Perhaps something to do with resonance setting up standing fields with potential differences in the (magnetic?) sub-structure, or something []

I've just been reading something interesting in a book on auras - experiments done show that the human body gives off light from what appears to be a cellular level, enough to be measured with extremely sensitive equipment in a dark room. But the effects lasts after the subject has left the room - for about 20 minutes there are still photons being ejected from where the subject was standing. Curious. Emissions were measured in the visible and UV regions of the spectrum (IR emissions would obviously be impossible to seperate from normal hot body radiation so they were not measured). So now the ether much be brought in too!! AAARRGGG!!!! It just refuses to be simple doesn't it!? hehe sweet.

aho
Rob

As I remember it (from what I read), the polarities switch for each sucessive dimension you go up. So for instance, female is negative and male positive upon the physical dimension. On the astral though (emotional base I think), the female is positive and male megaive. Then on the mental dimension male is posiive and female negative......etc etc. So the question of which is the more powerful hasn't really got an answer as it depends on which level the working is being carried out upon.
However, the bell curves show that women have a higher average intelligence than men, but men have more genuis's (genuii?) than women. Not sure how that fits into the above!

Interestingly, it also seems to me a possibility that the fundamental laws also reverse as you go up the dimensional scale. On the physical, like repels like and opposites attract (eg magnets), but the laws of the astral energies as I understand state that likes attract and opposites repel. Interesting stuff.

Rob

I've tried the nutmeg experience a couple of times, and found it most agreeable! A bit like being stoned and drunk  - although the ACTUAL experience of weed and alcohol, if right, is an awesome experience.......much fun....different to the imagined combination of "both" tho, as it goes.
Yeah, trouble is nutmeg last so long.....
Still, if you are looking for a mind-opening experience, mescaline and ketamine are very enlightening.......or so I've heard [8D]
Of course, use discretion and be careful. You need a strong base and mind for some of this stuff. STABILITY.
Rob

I remember an experience Robert Bruce had where he says he was meditating and saw himself walk into the room, only with glasses on, then pick up a book, see himself sitting in the chair, wave and then walk out. A few years later he experienced it himself on the other side of time as it were, exactly the same. Didn't screw it up or anything [8D]. So.....
I also remember Robert Monroe experiencing a sort of meeting with himself in the astral, but similarly years apart.
Oh, one other thing from RB's side - connecting with himself in previous lives through the all-pervading NOW.
Like all things in nature, time is just another thing we have to "understand" (or at least gain control of, mastery eventually). Bring it on!

Rob

I remember Steven Hawkins reply to the question "what was before the big bang?" - he said that the question is meaningless, since there was no time before the big bang. There was no "previous" (maybe there still is?)

Similar with God.

Another way of thinking about it, is that if God is infinite (which I think he is) then its totally impossible to think of something which could exist before Him. Its like saying infinite + 1 = infinite, ie God +/- anything = God. The infinite covers all things. However if God is everything, then He is also nothing. So if you want to say that previous to Gods creation He was nothing then he would still be Infinite. You cant win with logic!

Rob

Red Elk claims that homosexuality is caused by past life memories - if someone has been of the opposite sex for 2 or 3 previous incarnations then their other-world memories will reflect this. Being gay is therefore a confusion of the mind, and RE says that he has straightened out every single gay person to come to him. Simply by telling the nagual to keep its memories to itself! Sure is an interesting hypothesis.

"So the price for traveling in time is that we can only observe and cannot interact with the physical."

I dont think it really works like that - you forget parellel dimensions......
IMO reality is not linear but infinite - infinite you's, me's, all strung along down different timelines and paths. Of course I have very little to base this on except poor logic and a little intuition []

Travelling back in time in the astral - what would be interesting would be to have a high level practitioner try to rematerialise inside the previous time frame. However I suspect that this is more viewing the past through the akashic records than existing within it.

Rob



There are no limits

Mustardseed  - a few thoughts. Please dont hurt me!
You seem to be saying you stick to a belief in the literal interpretation of the bible because you want to - so you have faith in it, its what gives you a comfort factor (you're not the only one...). Personally, I think that the word belief should be stripped from the human language, there should only be what you know to be true and untrue. You know that there is a being called Jesus who is much bigger than the rest of us, and he loves you. Isn't that enough? Why does it matter if the bible is a literal story of real physical events thousand of years ago, or if it is a fiction made up to enlighten us? You have been led to Jesus and the Bible by God - and he (Jesus) does exist, however you look at it - but I think it was to help, not force you to cling to a rigid belief structure. I have to be honest, and I'm sorry but I cant think of any good that come come from clinging to a rigid belief in the literal interpretation of the bible. Yes, it is a possibility, but its also possibile its not, and thats it all really boils down to. Nobody can say for sure, and I cant say for sure why it really matters.
We are supposed to learn from the past, and thats it.

Hope you are well. Smile!

Rob

Any way to time travel would require a connection of some sort to the "past". This already exist at higher dimensions, maybe you could use it? You would need a form of craft to take you up the dimensional scale and drop you down at another point in history. UFO's have been known to dematerialise so maybe you can go further. No idea on the technology though, bit out of our league for now!

That said there may be other portal methods. I have read some fringy things on it, not quite sure whats really going on though.

The classical theories, think they are groping in the dark without a greater ability to see. Clinging to old theories and ways of thinking holds them back. Mystics and scientists are both observing the universe but using different tools, only we've been doing it for longer and perfect the art in ourselves. Science it catching up though, and chance discoveries like ormus metals might help.

peace

Druidism is of course very strongly connected to the earth, and my understanding of their magical system is that it is based entirely upon the trees in our woodlands. They consider oaks to be the most sacred, like a king of the forest I think. Shame I dont know more...

My thinking comes from the kabalistic tree of life (which, incidentally, thought of the "big bang" theory long before modern science, although in quite different language) - the astral would come into be-ing "before" the physical. Creation started from the highest (pure God, the 7th dimension), and descended down the path of the lightning flash until the final end point creation was formed - the physical. That said, I also dont think it is possible to think of the physical and astral (and, indeed, all dimensions) as being mutually exclusive. That is, they cannot be seperated as they are all part of the same greater thing - it is impossible to have a physical world and not have an astral.

I am not familiar with the deeper workings of big bang theory but seem to remember it relies upon a sort of quantum fluctuation. It has been said here that the big bang theory explains the creation of all various particles and etc. This, and quantum theory, all require the use of more dimensions than the standard 3 and time. I see no reason why these should not be the ones we are familiar with ie astral. Superstring theory require the use of 9 spatial dimensions last time I checked (which is interesting as 9-3 (the 3 we are familiar with) = 6.....)

So anyway the creation of the astral was an intergral part of the creation of the universe as we know it, and can quite probably be explained within big bang theory. No doubt when science progresses to the point where its all better understood we will be able to confidently start interchanging terms, but as things stand cutting edge physics is still bleeding and shaky. Thats my understanding anyway.

Rob

I seem to remember reading that the 7 heavens were probably more the 7 dimensions rather than astral planes, although I am not sure how anyone or anything else can exist upon the highest level than the One God, but errr....(head explodes)

Nice.

The way I look at mysticism is the direct experience of reality (through myself), and with this knowledge comes the power to manipulate. The magician seems to gain his power to manipulate first, and this opens up new ways of seeing.

Rob

Christian magic as I understand it is based on faith entirely. Jesus did everything he did because he had "faith" - presumably in God, most people would think. So healing in Christian cicles is them praying with faith, calling on God to do the work. I find this interesting, how much of it is them doing the real magick through THEIR faith, like Jesus could be have said to have had faith in himself as a vehicle of God, and how much was their own deep belief creating reality.
Extreme Christian magic then are miracles, where you could either say their prayers worked to get God to help them, or simply that they had great Faith.
I dont know about the early Christian church, but this seems to be how Jesus taught it, so that what i would expect.

However, it is possible that since the early church - and especially in the Dark ages where many many occultist books were confiscated and the rest burned (can you say, perhaps even the Great Library which was burned down by an early Catholic bishop and his mob?) - some forms of magick have been kept as secret info. I hear the vatican has "quite" an impressive book collection, much of which is held secret. And the Pope doesn't trust 95% of the vatican....

Rob