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Beavis, by analog we mean a system which has continuous stable states.
In digital systems when a bit goes from 0 to 1, the voltage goes through all the values from,say, -5 to +5 in a nanosecond, the inbetween values are not stable.

15 significant digits should be more than enough.

For what? To simulate a soul?
The question here is not of range. If its possible to create a soul by binary numbers alone, then may be a 15 digit number will be accurate enough. The question here is - whether its possible to do this by numbers alone or do we need actual matter going through analog states.

Now we have two possibilities -
1. Soul (consciousness) is some kind of higher matter, of which we don't know yet.
2. Soul is only information, nothing else and is independent of matter.

Assuming 2nd is true, its possible to build it using numbers,as numbers are good approximations for information, 15 is enough.
Assuming 1st is true, we need to arrange the material (in similar fashion as brain) and hope to find a soul inside, the analog method.
Hopefully its clear what I'm saying.

Can you prove the laws of physics aren't digital with only 1000 significant digits?

The laws of physics describe the real world which is purely analog, and has infinite possible states, which is obviously not digital.

Entanglement has the potential to pretty much annihilate the phone network industry

What if the telecom industry adopts this new tech? Fortunately engineering is not a religion.
Peer to peer sounds like a possibility. If you want to receive calls from any of the guys in the city, you'd need a switch.

James,
You've given me some good points to think upon. Thanks.
But as I'm not easily satisfied with surface knowledge only, I want to raise some questions, if you don't mind.

spirits only need the power of thought to make something happen in the physical world.

That would imply that spirits can actually see/perceive the physical world as we do. Common knowledge goes that spirits, by definition reside on non-physical planes, and can't perceive earthly things. They construct their own worlds according to their beliefs or gravitate to others if they match their own.
At most, those who are residing on planes closer to physical can see the astral copies of objects (First hand reports from projectors say the same). Now as thought=action on astral, they can obviously affect those copies.
Now the question is, how do they make sure that they are not lifting an astral table? Special powers? Or there are simply no rules?

If a spirit can alter a rule established by a trillion other souls and solidified during trillions of years (e.g. gravity), he must be enormously powerful. If he is so powerful, why wouldn't he pick up a paper and pencil and write down what he wants, instead of doing childish tricks? I know the logic is not of much use here.
I feel the poltergeist phenomena (your examples) is not spirits directly manipulating physical, its almost as if they trigger TK using the other people. But that's only my guess. For now, I keep the question open.

The higher your vibrations are, the higher the energy levels you are working in are, the more you are readily able to manipulate and indeed create the material world around us.

This again goes against common beliefs (if I haven't misunderstood). Higher the vibrations of a spirit, more distant he is from physical. The communicating nonphysical beings often report great difficulties they encounter during setting up of a channel, and are helplessly dependent on the abilities of the medium. Those are significantly higher level beings. Also, while channeling one is more likely to find a lower being, because he can match the vibes better.
May be you are talking about the vibrations of a living person, i.e., more spiritually evolved one is, more control he has over what he experiences in physical. (I guess that's what you mean by creating the reality). But then this is not the subject, because a physical being can affect physical things easily, as we daily do.
A physical being manipulating matter by unknown methods (spoon bending, TK) is a different can of worms altogether. Similarly a physical being affecting the thoughts of others by his 'good' vibes is still another subject.

Most spirits have long shed this disbelief, so for them, working with physical objects in the material world is no great effort.

That's sounds like a good news to me. Can you cite any examples?
Do you have any tips on how to contact one? Or do you know someone who's still interested in experimenting with physical?

Orgone spits up many interesting links, thanks. Looks similar to the pyramid energy. The iron pipe wrapped with a toilet paper is simple enough
They say it produces a beam of energy. We can send a signal by switching the beam on and off, but its very difficult to know if a spirit can see this energy by any means.
Such experiments are difficult to carry out without a spirit friend  
But given that right now there are no other options I'll consider it.

-lines-
People generally equate all those things i.e.
Aura = etheric body = electromagnetic body = em field of the body.
I guess something more than a simple interaction of electric fields is going on, otherwise a half leaf would show only a half 'aura'.

Tyciol,
I'd get a Million $ per week if I patent it
As far as I know the aura camera(Kirlian) takes pictures of 'aura' of living things. Can it also register spirits?
Btw, the phantom leaf effect, proved by Kirlian photography, demonstrates that physical living things have ethereal bodies. So when you cut off half of the leaf , the aura photo still shows a full leaf. (But Randi would say its science )

Tom,
I googled for chi machines and found some exercising/fitness stuff. Is that the same thing?

the human brain is a perfect transducer capable of decoding signals from the astral and other planes.

Until we can understand the human brain 100%, i doubt we will build a machine. The signals we are trying to interprety are broadcasting in different waves or frequencies, but we need some special machine to grab it, the information is in the here and now after all.

-malim

That's right.
The human brain is a natural transducer for such signals, which can tune into those signal at moments. Its also possibly true that the signals are already there, we don't have necessary means to grab it.
Although its abundant, the main problem with brain is that it is attached to a human , which makes it a most unreliable device. But its the only key we have right now. Meanwhile a lot of scientists are busy hacking it, so hopefully someday we would be able to isolate and mimic its interface.

For now I'm searching for alternative means, which are purely objective. I'm also dependent on non-physical beings for cooperation. Right now I don't have any means of contact to start the collaboration.

my guess is that they are side effects of the higher dimensional energy passing through the physical.

If that's true than that's what we need ! The non-physical 'energies' producing a detectable physical effect....and we have a useful transducer. But from your description it seems that again human brain is involved in the process.

that'd be sweet .i wish you good luck with that

Thanks

Quantum entanglement

You've got a commodore. Thats cool stuff
May be you can declare this to spirits, and get some messages across.
You are correct about the tapes. Perhaps the rising complexity and sophistication of computers prevented further communication. As always - the other side of the coin is there.

knucklebrain, it is easy....think 'deeep'.
energies grow = huge change
energies speedup = unusual events (e.g falling mountains)
Now link it up with 2012. So simple.
We should not doubt when 'many important sources' say this, especially when you are on the brink of extinction.

Yes it will, but you can sink again within seconds.
If you keep fighting it, it can take longer.
If you can ignore it then obviously, no issues. You cant do much about those painful ones.

Mustardseed you deserve a Darwin award for your major contribution to human knowledge.

Thats right, they would take the easy way.
Also, I'm not sure if those old pcs had a com port even.
Even if it had, it takes +/- 5 volts to send a Bit, which is a bit large voltage for spirits to manage.

However the guys on the other side were scientists and an engineer themselves, so they had the knowledge, otherwise they would not have attempted. It becomes a pain soon when you want to communicate an entire book, so possiblity of an interface remains.

The question is still there anyway. Why there was no progress on the other side after they achieved this ? Its unfortunate.

I meant actual analogue systems, whose states are continuous not discreet. Even if we increase the number of bits to 1000s instead if 16/32 or 64 nowadays used in processors, it will be only an appoximation.
Digital systems can only simulate analogue ones.
Anyway your self-modifying equation seems to be interesting, so good luck.

Hi Kasbadan... what you are seeing is a vast improvement of modern media technology so that everything gets reported these days!

The world is just as mad as it always has been, although now you get to know about it!

Welcome to Earth!

Doug

Yes !
Don't expose yourself to news so much, and it will go away.
I did the same and I feel very calm inside these days.

This is not itch.
Just rub there lightly and continue.
If you try to resist it, it'll grow stronger, often painful.

Yes, thats one of the possibilities. The omission of extra characters suggests a 'spritual sms'
The implication is very important, if this is the case, not only they could sense the keyboard, the exact positions of the keys but also affected it electrically.

The questions is that if they can do this much, why cant they do it often? Or on a permanent basis?
Suppose I keep this page open, it would be a simple matter for that spiritual being to type it out and press the submit button.

My guess is that it will be easier to simulate consciousness using some analogue system, as the dgital usually focuses on numbers and rules out QM components.
Or may be a hybrid of those two.

Eric,
Its anybody's guess actually.
So let me tell you whats my guess -
1. They did some energy manipulation of the keyboard (sort of short circuiting the keys with energy) and entered the text letter by letter.
2. They hooked their non-physical keyboard into the PC and typed it out using their non-physical tech.
3. They set the bits in memory, bit by bit, by manipulating it electrically (very difficult)
4. They etched whole file on the hd/fd using magnetic manipulation (very difficult, because of file structures etc)
5. They managed to connect to the PC via com port or something to their own non-physical equipment through some kind of astral-physical interface and transmitted the whole text.

The last one is most probable and if you see the text, there are no spaces, new lines and punctuations, which means they tried to be efficient and passed their data through some coding system.
Emphasis on efficiency, compression and coding are characteristics of any electronic communication system, which surely indicates possibility #5.

I'm also attempting such communication.

It is my perception that the basic function of our sense organs are understood via the classical view of matter.

You can as well write 'misunderstood' or 'party understood' in above sentence and still be right.
It is now generally accepted that any measuring process (sensing is just another measuring process), is quantum mechanical in essence (i.e. cannot be fully described by classical methods)
And, I agree with CaCoDeMoN on the big-bang thing. Its not possible to assign the attribute of time to physical in terms of past, present and future as these are purely subjective aspects of what we perceive as 'time'.

Thanks for taking your time out and replying

Best time for conscious projection is just before REM.
You can project during REM too, while in a lucid dream.

In continuation to above post, coming back to the question of dimensions..
Again, the term dimension was borrowed from mathematics, where it is used to define the degree of freedom of the quantities being expressed. So a circle is 2D because the equations have a power of 2 in them (x^2+y^2=r^2), and a sphere is 3D because a power of 3 describes it.
The 3D equations corresponds well with the real world, so we call our world as 3D world. Obviously there is no such thing as a 2D or 1D world in reality, if you follow the correct definition of 'dimension'. Even an equation having 100D would only describe something of a real world, and not something of spiritual.
The new-age-ish interpretation of 'dimension' is totally different. Here a dimension corresponds to 'spiritual plane', and just because there are numbers below 3, would not guarantee a plane below the physical plane.
Anyhow, the physical is wrongly called a 3D, its actually 'the first plane', which happens to contain 3D objects perceived during our daily lives. Of course now we know that physical plane is also not strictly 3D, but multidimensional.

But, the possibility of planes 'below' physical remains open, as there are no rules of this game, no proofs, no equations. If you want one create one.... as simple as that

Generally speaking, more evolved a soul is, more planes it can perceive. And, given the fact that we are not aware of any planes below the physical, we are least evolved ones, and are on the lowest plane possible. That means we are just starting the evolution and we are a form of most primitive kind of soul.
You can compare ourselves with a single celled organism at the start of life on this planet.

All this stuff about higher dimensions " vibrating " at higher speeds seems rediculous to me anyway. I't svery hard for me to imgaine it. In physics, more , or higher or faster or whatever vibrations just means that stuff gets warmer. If molecules move faster they simply get hot, not extradimensional, right ?!

Joerii,
IMO, stuff 'vibrating' at higher speeds is just a metaphor, which people use to cover up the fact that no one really knows anything about it. The terms like 'energy' and 'frequency' are borrowed from science in an attempt to describe the unknown in familiar terms, but the result was that people who cant experience these things directly get easily confused.
Above does not indicate that the 'planes' etc is only imaginary, of course. There is some truth in it.

Btw, used in physics the term vibration means that a body is executing periodic motion, i.e the motion traces the same path again and again in a given time. More frequently (faster) it does, more is the frequency, called frequency of vibration.

Now, we know that the atoms and subatomic particles that make up the matter are on move constantly...they vibrate. But you are wrong in saying that the temperature indicates the speed of vibration. Actually, it indicates the kinetic energy of the molecules. And the kinetic energy  = (1/2)mv^2, it has nothing to do with the vibration frequency of atoms/particles. So more KE a atom has, faster it moves from one place to another, while vibrating at same speed around its position. Heating is a process of transferring KE from one atom to another via their collisions.
Atomic vibrations occur, even at absolute zero temperature (a quantum mechanical effect) and increase in amplitude with temperature, frequency remaining the same.

It is proposed that there is a form of matter that has entirely different kind of vibrations, called astral matter.
String theory says, that matter subparticles are nothing but multidimensional strings that vibrate in multidimensional space. The frequency of vibration of a string determines the type of particle. So possibility of so called astral matter is real.
In fact there can be a whole universe overlapping ours made up of strings that vibrate differently compared to our worlds known particles.

It will never measure close to 1,

I think you mistook 1 as the size of bed. By 1 I meant an identity, i.e. not an infinity.

Babies are stupid.

, what I quote is not from the mouth a of baby. These are the views of scientists studying consciousness and its emergence seriously.

You claim we cant measure even a single electron but that you can measure the whole universe.

Seems that I couldn't convey it, anyway it don't claim such thing.

Machines read it well enough without us reading them.

They do read it, but the result is a superposition of all possible results until a person sees it. He collapses the wavefunction. We all know this....

Its not a particle.

Its not a billiard ball, but its a particle, a subatomic one.
You need to come up with a smarter reply instead of 2-halves thing. Because we all know that half of infinity is still infinity
[Btw the question was whether electron is finite or infinite- a reminder]

Back to the topic -
Why don't you try creating a soul on a computer?
I tried such thing once but failed (may be I was too lazy)

I did a search too, and here's what I found -
1. Its just an odd psychological delusion.
2. Those who see this are 'lightworkers'.
3. Those who see this belong to a non-physical group called 1111, it has 1111 members.
4. You are being given some sort of reminder.
5. It has something to do with 2012.
6. Its a genetic reminder that you set up before your birth in this body so that you know when the time is 'right'.
7. This is your guide telling you to start behaving.

Choose your own answer ...

matb,
you can join the club here, we are discussing the same..
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17748