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ABC NEWS : American Joint Chief of Staffs made plans to blow up U.S. civilian planes and bomb US cities to frame Cuba and provoke war
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders drafted plans [called OPERATION NORTHWOODS] to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Including bombing U.S. Civilian planes and boats, then blame it on the Cubans in order to justify a war.

The document, "Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba," was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba.

You can find the complete document located at George Washington Univ. in .PDF format @
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430

Or you can go to National Archives and Records Administration site
http://www.nara.gov/cgi-bin/starfinder/16238/standard.txt?action=tER9uPO7QBPJ-lYYTwGpVqrx8r6KS5Gw46ChJlTjSI09

or if the above link has expired go to
[urlhttp://www.nara.gov/cgi-bin/starfinder/0?path=standard.txt&id=demo&pass=&OK=OK[/url] and search for "Intervention in Cuba" it will be listed as the fourth article in the database.

Here are excerpts:.

From page 11 of the PDF file.

"we could blow up a US Ship... and blame Cuba."

from page 13

"Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft should appear to continue as Harassing measures condoned by the government of Cuba"

"It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a uban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner....">

from page 11

"Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave if national indignation."

I find this scary. And yes, you may say "So what, this happened a long time ago.." Did it really it was only a few decades ago. And its odd how everything in this document has happened in the past 2 years. Does history repeat itself?

I'm not sure how or if this information applies today? I hope that it doesn't at all. After all, If you do your duty and follow the links to the complete version, it will have been proven that the government has tried to do this before.

Again the link to the completed document in one file located on GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIV.'s website is
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430

The link to the entire documents located in the NARA database [YOUR TAX DOLLLARS PAY FOR THIS SO USE IT!!!] National Archives and Records Administration site
http://www.nara.gov/cgi-bin/starfinder/16238/standard.txt?action=tER9uPO7QBPJ-lYYTwGpVqrx8r6KS5Gw46ChJlTjSI09

or if the above link has expired go to http://www.nara.gov/cgi-bin/starfinder/0?path=standard.txt&id=demo&pass=&OK=OK and search for "Intervention in Cuba" it will be listed as the fourth article in the database.

You can find links to email or snail mail your letters of concern to politicians @ http://www.infowars.com/govtlinks.html

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More info on the 1950's Cuba scenario:

'The media has so far been slow to look into this declassified material. To the extent that they have covered the story, they have treated the Pentagon's plans for provocation as far-fetched inventions of low-level intelligence operatives. In reality, the documents released by the ARRB carried the endorsement of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were certified by the military command as "suitable for planning purposes."  

The Pentagon offered a wide range of options for manufacturing a pretext to attack Cuba. In one memo it proposed using Soviet-made MIG fighter planes piloted by Americans to shoot down either a US warplane or a "civil airliner en route from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela." The downing of the plane would then be blamed on Cuba and the US would launch a massive assault on the island.  

Another document declared: "We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."  

Yet another plan called for the US military to "sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated)," and place the blame on Cuba.  

In what was dubbed Operaton Bingo, the Pentagon proposed creating "well-coordinated incidents ... in and around Guantanamo" with the aim of simulating an attack by "a hostile Cuban force" on the US Naval Base. The staged incident would be followed by a devastating air assault on Havana.  

Operation Dirty Trick was drafted on the eve of the first US manned space mission in 1962. It called for the US to blame Cuba in the event the mission, piloted by John Glenn, ended in disaster. "This would be accomplished by manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans," the memo said.  

Finally the Pentagon offered the "Remember the Maine" option, recalling the sinking of the US warship in Havana harbor which ignited the US war against Spain in 1898. "We could blow up a warship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," the memorandum stated. Thankully the government did not act on these recommendations at the time.'

Well, all of the above i would normally dismiss as wild nonsense (and most of it still sounds like it, although i will read it!), but one spooky factor not mentioned is the secret military recomendation to government that was issued in the 1950's which detailed measures with which to combat communism and the threat from Cuba specifically.

This is where it gets scary, because the recomendations include 'raising public support for an all out attack on Cuba': The most efficiant way of doing this would be by placing explosives aboard US navy ships and other govenment instalations as well as buildings in *US cities*, with the aim of causing significant casualties,  then blame the devastation on Cuba and therefore gain the publics complete and overwhelmng support for action against that country.

now this military recommendation was rejected by the government of the time, (thankfully) and it only surfaced again under the freedom of information act more recently, but the worrying point here is that the military WAS ACTUALLY CONSIDERING THIS as a 'reasonable' course of action..... cold war crazies or what?

This revelation does serve to make the 9/11 conspiracy stories sound not quite so outlandish as they first appear, although i still have my doubts about it as i said.. but worth thinking about at least.

I used to have a link to the 1950's report, if anyone has a link to a copy maybe they could post it here.

Doug

PS btw I'm sure most of the circumstances outlined in the 9/11 conspiracy theory can be explained in other ways due to the particular circumstances that unfolded on the day.

Telos:

Yeah, the FoC model is a good system but people should not just look at it and think its all neat and tidy, as one level of awareness flows into another.. so you get states inbetween various states, eg classic case is when you are in the rtz but experience reality fluctuations.. these might only be mild but if they get out of hand then you will phase right into FoC2

Also within each 'state' of consiousness there are practically an infinate number of 'areas', or realms or however hoy want to describe them, like what i was saying in another thread.. the upper FoC3 or monroes' f27 contains a myriad of different enviroments.. you could spend 'centuries' visiting them all (and only experience a few)... so its great fun. the more restricted areas of FoC3 are really fun to visit too, the 'belief' centre zones, although this is a slightly restrictive model as this region of awareness included an awesome amount of belief structures of all descriptions but the monroe/moen term applies to the more classic variety eg heaven hell etc... try checking those places out some time..

for example, i found myself in a war zone one time.. it was kind of fun joining in for a bit,  but it was difficult because it felt so real that i would often forget i was an outsider so i can see how it could be easy to get wrapped up in such areas...

apparantly people can get stuck in these areas for centuries or longer in our terms..
I want to see if i can find anyone still stuck in a classical belief structure, eg wandering around hades or hanging out in the Elsiyum fields with the gods! I bet there are still some people in such enviroments! Sounds great fun!

There really isnt enough space to cover them all.. there is so much out there!

Doug

I has changed me profoundly.. I am now 30 but i first came to this subject when i was 13. I saw an advert for a book on 'how to have an obe'.. i didnt even know what it was, but read the back of the book and thought with my 13 year old mindset... 'hey wouldnt it be cool to fly around out of body!' It really was that banal a reason lol!

One night i tried the techniques and probably due to my non-sceptical 13 year old mindset, I crucially *had no doubt it would work*.. and guess what? iT DID work! it was so easy. Within minutes i had massive vibrations going through me and i felt myself rising out of my body... i was absolutly terrified as i felt i had crossed the boundary of the 'normal everyday', and into the great unknown. Of course back then there was no one else to talk to about this so i kept it all to myself, it was a lonely time. Anyway, i immediatly ended the experience before i got fully out, i was terrified, i guess part of me didnt realise just how 'real' this was going to be.

Unfortunalty for me at the time, that wasnt the end of it. as Monroe says, 'once you have had one such experience, a door is opened which can never be fully closed again', and he's right, even although for years after i would dread going to sleep at night for fear that the vibrations would come on again (which they sometimes did), there was no real escape, i had to live with it and live with this secret fear myself, how would my parents or anyone else i know ever understand?

Can you believe it took until i got onto the internet and discovered this board (2001/2002), to discover that in fact i wasnt alone and that obe wasnt so scary after all, it was then I first began to get over my fear.

Thanks to the encouragement of people of this obard, i soon got over my fear by reading everything i could on obe and astral explorations.. i also began to activly TRY to obe..my fear was gone.. now my obe ability was no longer a curse but a blessing and i have never looked back. The progress i have made in the past three years has been astounding, compared to the previous 17!

I still wonder if it was just 'chance' that i happend to pick up that book 17 years ago, or if i was 'meant' to find it.. who knows. All I know now is that I'm SO glad i did, despite the initial years of fear I had to live through. Now i hate to imagine what my life would have been like if I hadnt picked up that book... another joe just doing the normal routine of living and working... i still do that as well of course, but there is an added dimension to my life that makes it all a hell of a lot more interesting imo!

Doug

whooow!

Frank, once you get going there's no stopping you (which is great!)

I can't wait for the books, I think you will have plenty material. I think Monroe's method is a good way of publishing, ie a beginners book for those being introduced to the subject, an intermediate book and a third advanced book.
Although i feel that with the sheer amount of info you have, we could be looking at more than three books.

Doug

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then one day in edinburgh is born again an ubiquitious God.


Where's Douglas (Gandalf).... I think he's an Edinburgh lad, like myself. I wonder if he knows anything about the psychic boy?!

Kind regards,
Mark



um yeah, I'm afraid to let down Peacespirit, but I've never heard of 'psychic boy', sounds like someone's been OD'ing on bad manga comics or too much weed or something.

Please get a grip on yourself Peacespirit and stop posting nonsense if you want to be heard.

Doug

Yeah i have seen Simon Schama... isnt he a professor at New York Metropolitan university? I heard he is or was.


For me the tv history king is Michael Wood.. he is the best because he has that crucial enthusiam and can tell a great story with his history.

He done great shows on the first city in the world (The Sumerian city of Iruk). He also done great programs on Troy, and also Alexander the Great, which I totally recommend, he makes you feel as if you are right there with Alexander and his posse!


I love the folk tales he tells, for example one which is STILL repeated by Greek fishermen today in the Aegean:

There is a legend that when out on the Aegean sea, sometime you may be approached by a mermaid (a sea nymph to the Greeks), another of Alexander's conquests. She is distraught and asks you:
'Where is Great Alexander?'

In order to appease her (and stop her sinking the boat) you must answer:
'Great Alexander still lives, and Rules!'.

Doug

Pod_3:

hmm ok.. i'm not really into your religious preocupations, for my part, I was just pointing out the origins of a particular story/myth that did the rounds in England for a while. But good luck with whatever it is you are into!

Telos:

Yes the Syrian officer thing is great.. i have heard about the shoes, but one of my favourite excavations, which is still ongoing is that of the 'vindolanda tablets'.. These were postcards/letters found in a rubbish tip that served the fort of vindolanda and all date (around 300 of them) to around 100CE or so.

Gems include one card written by one of the Roman officer's wives to a friend in a neighbouring fort, inviting her friends over for her birthday party the following week.

Another is an order from one centurian to another down in London stating that 'my soldiers have no beer... please order some to be sent!'... the Roman army wouldnt work without it lol. Celtic beer by the way.. the soldiers took a liking to it.

Another talks about a local native celtic guy who has taken advantage of the potential market offered by the army, to supply the grain supply for the whole region.. he has the grain market sown up.. He didnt take long to take advantage of the new system, even adopting a Romanised name... He was making big bucks too, with one of his contracts being worth more than a soldiers annual salary!

Check it out on the web, just google 'vindolanda tablets'. its really interesting, entertaining and in some ways kind of comforting to read that in many ways, people havent changed.. people have always been and still are.. er, people!

Doug

Hi pod_

Interesting but as far as i know the whole 'joseph in england connection' has no evidence to support it, being a product (and wishful thinking) of english romantics! The poem 'jeruselum' of course is all about this myth but it is clear that it is the usual attempt to give the country some mythic connection to something presumed great, just like Aeneas, founding Rome, or i might add, Moses founding the 'promised land'.. England wanted some link so they came up with this, which was a popular folk tale at the time..

Scotland is just as bad, there is a legend of an encient egyptian princess 'Scotia' getting her ship blown off course and being blown half way across the world to land in what is now scotland, where she founded a kingdom.. named after her.. 'scotland'.

hmmm yea right! I so believe that one!  

At least the joseph story is more believable, in that a jewish merchant like jesus' dad could find his way to Britain, except Britain didnt formally become part of the Roman empire until 43ad, so i dont see how he would be there before that, and he certainly wouldnt 'own mines' there before 43... sounds suspect... its just possible but there is absolutly no evidence, so its more likely to be a fine yarn more than anything.

Doug

Potatis.. lol I know the feeling, i sometimes wake up laughing my head off about something, but usually i cant remember what.. other times, i can remember but i think... 'you know, it wasnt really THAT funny!' in fact i dont see what was funny about it at all!

I guess you have to be there!

Doug

PS Telos_ glad to hear that you plan to continue with the wake-induced.. it can be a long slog before you get any results but keep at it... I feel I am *almost* at the f12 3d blackness stage.... if i can get to this then that would be a massive achievement... its odd as  i get to this stage and beyond quite often from a lucid state, but i REALLY want to get there from 100% awake.. F12 is like the gateway and I want to be 100% aware to take full advantage of it!

Hi Telos_

thanks for sharing your experience. Sounds like it may well be F27!  From what you describe, the region sounds a bit different from my 'green fields' region but that may just be a different region of the area of consciousness that Monroe terms F27.

F27 seems to encompass a wide range of enviroments, a HUGE range in fact, although there are several 'landmark' areas which are more well known because people have reported them and came back to tell the tale.. such areas include 'the park' as i have described before, while there are also complexes, institutes, you might call them for specific interests, like the 'life review centre', the 'hospital' and so on... however there is also a massive variety of other regions and landscapes there, knowingly created by the inhabitants; the region you visited may be one of them...
The reason I think it was a focus 27 enviroment was that you had the impression of a class of some sort, in this case for children... now classes for all sorts of people can be found all over the f27 region.. as f27 is where there is a lot of research and learning going on all the time, the important difference between this area and other more restricted areas of consiousnesss of course, is that all the myriad realms in F27 are knowingly created by the inhabitants who are all aware of their 'deceased' status (from our perspective)... its the place to go!

I wonder if you had any sense of atmosphere when you were there, as this would identify F27... I can always tell when i have arrived because there is a definate positive atmosphere pervading everything.. you can feel it..almost electric.. i think its actually the power of what we call Love, the driving force of the universe, as it manifests through F27 so much more clearly than in our distorted level of awareness. Did you pick up anything like that? I think it may be possible to be unaware of that and filter it out to some extent, particularly if you were intensly focused on what was going on around you... look out for the 'positive vibes' next time though and see if you notice anything.


About the lucid dreaming vs wake-induced method: I am also like you in that my training in trying to reach focused states from full awareness is so difficult that i feel i'm not getting anywhere with it most of the time, but reaching such levels from waking within a dream state, or lucid dreaming as its called.. now thats a different story and I have done much of my exploring on the hop when i have been lucky enough to 'wake up' within a dream.. this happens at least once a week.. each time i raise my awareness higher...

but one important point is that no matter what training you do lucid wise... and no matter how 'awake' you feel, you will always only ever be a max of 99% aware... there will always be that niggling  1% missing which means that you are 'not all there' so you end up cursing yourself later when you think back and say.. why didnt i do such and such... THAT is the limitation of lucid dreaming.. you have sacrificed some of your awareness to make it easier, but it comes back to bite you in the butt.

The only way to get 100% is by *starting* with 100%... this is the HARD way, but from what I have been told that extra 1% makes a BIG difference.

Put it this way, you want to be in an enviroment which is as 100% real as you are in now sitting in front of this monitor? and be 100% aware as you are right now? Then you have to go there from 100% awake.. then you will find that these regions feel as exactly *real* as yourself and your physical wide awake, stone cold sober world does right now. Its the only way, from lucid states everything will always be just short of 100% real.

Of course, keep up with the lucid dreaming! If you ever wake up within a dream then of course make use of it as much as you can, I always do, but do consider continuing with the wake-induced focus training at some point.

Doug
*goes back to the wake-induced focus training....again*  

Hi Kasbadan... what you are seeing is a vast improvement of modern media technology so that everything gets reported these days!

The world is just as mad as it always has been, although now you get to know about it!

Welcome to Earth!

Doug

Hi Madlordnad.. your posts have improved slightly which I thank you for.. but you've still got some way to go yet, as you are still fixated with the notion that anyone who disagrees with US govenment policy is a 'commie'.


This is just nonsense. In fact it is the ability of an individual to criticise their own government that *makes* a free democracy. Your notion that americans who criticise the government are somhow 'traitors' and 'unamerican' is absurd and in fact that is the sort of view which I'm sure Stalin, Hitler or Saddam would have approved of. They didnt approve of individuals criticising the government either... Stalin always said that those who criticise the state are enemies of the state... just like you say. You are sounding like the kind of people you claim to dislike! Of course the line you are promoting is exactly the propoganda that has been flowing out of the white house over the past few years... which you have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

So get a grip on yourself....and drop the 'commie' tag... its so lame and out of date, not to mention offensive... it makes you sound like a throw-back from the 1980's if not before... catch up man, the world has moved on!

Doug

wow! If every idea and story exists already in the astral...then does that mean there is a fully functioning fully populated Tolkien's 'middle-earth' in existence where i can go and hang out?

apart from some temporary mental construct that i just created for myself i mean.. is there also a middle-earth world there that exists independantly of me, whether I go there or not?

Doug

lol... thats also true!

hehe

Doug

Telos:

Yeah that is possible! lol

During the empire, there were some good travel opportunities for traders/merchants or if you joined the army (in fact many merchants followed the army) but outside of that most people stayed within their own province, or indeed their own neigbourhoods, so unless you were one of the above or unless you were well off anyway,  then you are unlikely to travel widely.

For this reason, I'm guessing the diciples were not short of a bob or two.

Doug

PS One of my favourite examples of the travel opportunites available during the empire is a tombstone found which records a Roman officer buried up here at Hadrian's Wall on the border of what is modern day England.. he was a Syrian, from the other side of the empire!.... actually, I feel sorry for him being posted up here.. don't think he would have liked the weather lol, although what i did like was that the tombstone records that he married a local celtic lass from near the Wall, which is nice!

Beavis:

What we mean by 'respecting someone elses beliefs' is not so much the content of the beliefs themselves... but that you should respect the fundamental right of an individual to hold any beliefs he likes about himself and the world around him. That is what we mean by 'respecting others beliefs'..
Doesnt mean you have to agree with the content of them.. you are free to disagree with them.. so no you dont have to respect the factual content of them as truth.. but you do have to respect that persons right to hold them and you shouldnt violate that by openly insulting them or the individual..

There is a big difference between disagreeing and debating between different beliefs and having opinions as to which is better, but quite another to openly insult people because of them.. the first point is about respect, the second is about a  lack of it.

Doug

Thats what i dont get about the whole 'working class kid made good' stuff that often gets banded around about jesus, like he was just the poor carpenter's apprentice etc...

Except he was of the line of David and therefore of royal blood.. so he couldnt have been that poor! Ok maybe he was of the old 'aristocracy fallen on hard times' kind of bloke.. you get some of them today... but he still sounds fairly well to do.

Doug

Probably more likely his father's  carpentry business was a massive industry and Jesus' family were rolling in it.. 5 million sesterses a year (imperial currency) or what ever the local judaic currency was... ok only joking, but you never know.

but in order to 'shift our perception' within the focus 1 enviroment.. ie rtz projections, is it not nececerry to generate some kind of secondary energy interface or 'body'? as we are no longer focused on our physical body, which normally provides us with all our sensory input needed to operate within the physical/rtz.. do we not need some kind of temporary additional in order to navigate around the physical world.. hense a temporary secondary vehicle/interface.. normally called the astral body? although i think it is only generated for the duration of the experience.

if this interface is not needed and we can just perceive the rtz and physical as pure conscousness, then what is the point of a physical body and all the work that has went into it to provide us with sensory input?

Doug

btw just got a bottle of absinth from a friend, brought it back from Prague... 'Staroplezenecky' dont know if you heard of it.. original bohemian recipe as endorsed by Napoleon!.... 70% proof!

Have'nt tried it yet... used to be illegal in UK but although you can now buy it in supermarkets it is watered down wuss absinth.. only about 40% or so..
In order to buy in full strengh real stuff you have to by it from abroad.

I've heard it can give you visions but dont know if thats true or not.. mind you at 70% I'm not suprised!

Maybe I'll try some at the weekend!

Doug

Hello h2n!

Great to have some Indian folks onboard! the list of countries of origin grows!

Doug

madlordnad_

I'll tell you what's wrong with labling people communists:
I am NOT a communist and if you continue such insults on this board you will be removed. It's that simple.

Once again, debate and feel free to agree/disagree in a *reasonable* manner, not resulting in mis-named insults; I find it unbelievable that you have no ideas about debating with a sense of common decency in mind.

Do actually know what a 'communist' is and do you know what a 'socialist' is? Do you know what the distinction between the two is? Or indeed that there is a distinction?

Why do you think that anyone who questions US foreign policy is a 'communist'? Whether you agree with US foreign policy or not, you are allowed to have your own view on it and it is perfectly fair to give your own reasons why you do agree with it or why you don't, in the manner of a reasonable discussion. However what is not acceptable is to reply with accusations of 'communism' and other outright insults to any point of view you don't agree with. esp. when the term is mis-used in such a crass manner.

For this reason, while I encourage you to engage in active debate on any issue you agree/disagree on, and to argue with me or others on the issues of the day, I must warn you that from now on you must post in a more reasonable manner in line with the established standards of decorum which the moderators and users of this board all adhere to. I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm just asking you to post  in accordance with common decency. Otherwise your time here may be limited.

Doug

I think its revealing on your part that any critique of US policy is dismissed as being 'communist'. The old 'communist' accusation only serves to make you come across as the typical jingoistic gung-ho type who blindly swallows all the rhetoric and spin churned out to you, without ever stopping to question it; a typical stance of this type of person is to proclaim everything that doesnt agree with their limited world view 'communist'.

This line says it all:
Explain how Iraq is a mess again? It looks like a HUGE success from my non communist eyes

Its all a bit dim really.

Doug