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I've been experimenting more with this energy pulse.  I've noticed two things:

1) The feeling seems to come from my back, rather than my front, and it originates primarily in one of two places: the back of my neck, and on my back on the same plane as my heart.  Aren't those both chakra areas?  I dunno, cause I'm new to a lot of this.

Also, I can call up really small trickles of the energy from the other chakra areas like near my belly and in my forehead, but it's strongest at my neck and heart.

2) I can conjure up pulses twice as strong as the ones I just "summon" when I think of something that stirs great emotion in me.  The ending to a sad movie, the crescendo of my favorite songs, my favorite video game characters' last words, etc...

Instances where my own emotions run high make the energy feel even stronger, and I can feel it further down my body.  For example, I was able to spread the energy past my elbows and knees to my left fingertips and left toes (my right side seems to be more reluctant to respond).

Chris

I know exactly what you mean about the emotion thing. I always zap on accident when i listen to a great song or feel a strong emotion

I think starting NEW or some other type of energy dev. would help not only daily life for us "zappers" but lead to some great self-discovories and extra-sensory abilities. just like any innate-talent, we should probably put it to use instead of just shooting it off every half hour and thinking "cool!"

Ben

That is really cool. So what does it feel like to become a concept? Could you try(i know its probably hard) to describe it in some objective terms? It seems really interesting

Thanks for the Re:, clears alot up for me Ive also been working on just getting to focus 10 the past few days and seem to be able to do it in about 30-45 mins pretty constantly. I think the idea of building your own pad is pretty cool, because it really does keep you from thinking too much about the physical. Il try it tonight

What next?  A Jesus board game?  It is obscene.  When even Jesus and Moses are toys...how can anyone expect children to take any religious instruction seriously?

Do any kids take religion seriously? I mean come on, I went to a private Catholic school from k-8 and really, god is such an abstract concept to kids, they dont really care. Can you honestly say that when your were 9 years old playing with the sprinkler in the lawn you were thanking Christ for saving you from the flaming pits of hell? No, you just wanted to be a kid. Might as well sit and learn about mother goose rhymes...

Well, the snow could just be the impression of the snow that youve had all season up in the great white north. You see when there is snow on the ground and everyone sees it, it gains solidarity in the astral, for the same reason that you might see furniture in your room that isnt there. Just a guess but thats how I would explain it.

I wonder if its possible to modify the RTZ, i.e. think of it being daytime and it will be? Anyone?

Ps the blurred vision part was a False Awakening i think they are called, and yes they can be VERY confusing.

Sounds like a great time And yes, paragraphs would be nice, thats hard to swallow in one bite

Anyway, did notice yourself going deeper into relaxation when you did this? Like did you go through F10 or F12? I guess what im asking is what "sensations" did you go through before you arrived in the astral? Just asking because I started practicing phasing recently myself and a second view would be helpful.

I saw that on www.dailyrotten.com . I think that it's just disgusting(I rarely hear of such insane ideas, so I could not stop laughing) - when the parents will buy such thing, their children could unknowingly commit blasphemy while playing with such dolls
This is hilarious, but the thing that really concerns me is that the Spiritual Satanists will use it for their rituals. I don't believe in Jesus Christ or Christian/Jewish God but it saddens me when people do such things with the symbols that are holy to others.

Disillusioned words like bullets bark
As human gods aim for their mark
Made everything from toy guns that spark
To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark
It's easy to see without looking too far
That not much
Is really sacred.

Is this a lyrics from a song or your own poem?

its Bob Dylans "It's Alright Ma(Im Only Bleeding)", a great song, and like most of Bobs work, still relevent

Disillusioned words like bullets bark
As human gods aim for their mark
Made everything from toy guns that spark
To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark
It's easy to see without looking too far
That not much
Is really sacred.

-Bob

coulda been sleepwalking do you know how long it took you to get there?

God is a construct.

I wonder how many people can do this and just think its natural? :O

I think he means in the physical...like PK, ESP, etc..

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Well, I´ve never have closed my mind to this experience. In any case, I would suggest you that don´t forget everything you have learned in the past, because there are many things important too. Wink

If what you have learned blocks your view of what you CAN learn, this is a bad thing. This is why when I practice, I dont try any "techniques", i just sit down, close my eyes and whatever happens, happens. This is is why i believe ive made the progress I have(Focus 10 on my 1st try, F12 soon hopefully In alot of situations what you said may be true, but in this case I would advise against it, the only limitations are those put up by yourself.

Thank you very much. I hope so. I have written here asking for help. I don´t know what can be the best method, etc. One friend said me that the works of Robert Bruce are the best about the subject. Is this true?

I would say for beginners the phasing method. Good results without alot of mumbo-jumbo. However, like anything it varies from person to person.  So explore everything. Another good aspect of the phasing method is that it does away with alot of the fears you might have about leaving the body, i.e. the vibes, sensations etc.

And fanatics always repel at 100% any critic to their convictions.

I would certainly say not, at least in Frank's case. How is telling you that you need to experiance this for yourself repelling?

Frankly(no pun intended i think your arguing just for the sake of arguing here and I would advise you the same way Frank did: go out, do some research, try it out for yourself, and see what you think.

Good Luck,

Ben

In F2oC everything is your imagination.

Once you move past that into F3 and F4 you meet "independent" entities. Even so, they are harmless.

You might as well not even try if you dont believe. Otherwise you will be in a constant state of trying to prove something to yourself, and you will never get anywhere.

What I would suggest is keep an OPEN mind, forget about everything you have learned in the past, and when you practice just be curious, dont question everything that happens.

You can visit the FAQ section of the forums for allllll your answers

It is irrational to recognize for a being their own soul.
It is like a camera becomes self aware and recognize itself.

I suppose souls are just logical models we working with.
We are able to weight the bodies after death
and notice a lost weight.
But we can.t notice which substance is lifted..

I doubt our souls/consciousness weigh anything. That would imply that a part of our souls are physical, which is obviously contradictory. More than likely what has left is our etheric body, which you can read about in Bruces ebook.

Thanks a ton for your response and clearing it up

Frank, I've just started practicing AP, havent had one yet but I am making progress. Ive been reading this forum like the bible and its really helped me, especially the way you explain things. Anyway, heres my Q:

You say "Problem is, F2 is essentially your imagination. So anything you think automatically comes about all around you. This is darned inconvenient and confusing for a large majority of people. But it is perhaps the easiest non-physical state to Phase into, which is the plus side. "

But what I want to know is you are saying it like its a bad thing to go into F2 and just have fun with your imagination. Is there any negatives to just projecting into F2 for a fun time, like if i wanted to re-enact the dojo scene from the matrix for example. Ive seen you say on other threads that for 5 years you were "stuck" in F2 but is it really all that bad? sounds like alot of fun to me but what im getting from you is that if your looking to do some "real" astral work, you need to get past F2oC. But for those of us that are just starting this whole AP thing, wouldnt F2 be a good place to sort of hone our skills and just have a little fun?

Thanks,

Ben

Isnt it possible to just think of someone appearing and they will? I mean i thought in the astral thought = action so if you think about, say your deceased relative, they should appear to you some way.

Hmmm...interesting topic. I play guitar(pretty good at it too), mostly jam band type stuff, which means alot of improvising. I find i actually play best when my mind is not on actually playing!

For example, Il be sitting on the computer browsing the net, and strumming my acoustic. Il start to read something, and then all of a sudden hear that I have been playing this really cool tune on my guitar.

Also, does anyone else notice that you tend to actually do some things better with less concentration? Another example would be when i was little, I would play gameboy, or super nintendo or whatever, and maybe I would be just sittin around with some friends or whatever, and my mom would walk in. While I was talking I would sort of be half paying attention to the game, half paying attention to my mom. But i noticed I would really be playing the game better while i wasnt completely focused on it!

Like i said, this certainly has some strong corralation with the whole "Mind Awake/Body Asleep" thing, which is focusing our attention away from our physical.

Ben

I have a problem with how modern science defines the "self". In terms of modern science, if you are your body, which part? Your brain? If you are your brain and the above proves that your brain is not one entity then which part of it is in essence "you"? I don't think this is defined clearly in our society, even though it may be more apparent in a spiritual context, but what about outside it?


Alex

I like to think of my body as sort of a gigantic lens. My eyes are my lens through which my concsiousness can interpret sight for example. My ears interpret sound so my consciousness can hear.

In the astral, these senses are naturally not there, but since all you are basically is a point of consiousness, you create these sense strictly out of habit. Just like you look down and see your body out of habit. Except, the lens is much wider.

Thanks redcatherine! Il def. look into it

Beliefs, habits, its irrelevant. The fact is that the habit had to start somewhere.

I wasnt refering to Adam and Eve persay, hence the quotes. But obviously we can trace our ancestry back through time and somewhere along the line, wether it be a micro-organism or an ape, the concept of gravity HAD to have come about some way or another.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if we create our own reality, all these beliefs we had would make no sense, why would a being all of a sudden believe, "Hey, I guess it would make sense that my feet touch the ground all the time, so i wont be flying around everywhere!"

Sounds a little sketchy to me, especially if you throw in evolution.

Use the knowledge you gained of the future in the astral to play the stock market!  OOOeeeeoooOOO  

Is that possible? Ethics aside, im sure there are alot of ways to get money from knowledge of the future etc etc..

I guess my main question is Is it wrong to use AP to ensure financial success? I mean i know that as humans we have free will and what you see in the astral is subject to change, looking ahead a few weeks, maybe months to see the stocks sounds possible to me.

Ben