Messages

Is it possible to project sitting up, like in a meditation posture? Because if I do it that way I might be able to circumvent my desire to go back to sleep.

Of course.. it's the lotus position. The Buddha became enlightened with it!

Ah yes, good old entheogens. I'd smoked weed before but only for fun, I don't want to be dependent on drugs to be able to project successfully. But then again you were probably joking anyways

Uhh, sure we can say that.  

Regarding all that other stuff, you worry too much... with all this fear it's no wonder you can't relax. Work on letting go of it... what ever happens in the future, it is what it is.

I think it's easy to believe in a western religion when you're tricked by the illusion (ie the physical world is what connects us, not a collective unconscious.) The illusion isn't removed in a day and not many do it in a lifetime... so people are generally left with two options: western religion (christianity, islam, etc.) or science (atheism, agnosticism, etc.)

The people who choose religion...

A) Want to feel protected and guided by a higher power

B) Want to feel special (ie. belief that humans are the most/only intelligent beings in the universe)

C) Want to feel there is inherent justice in the universe (ie. hell)

D) Want to feel like something big is waiting for them after death (ie. heaven)

The "wake up early morning" technique isn't really tricky or complicated... the point is to attempt when your body is tired and your brain isn't active.

Of course, you need to overcome the racing thoughts to get good at meditation, since that is how you advance in this subject. Try just concentrating on your breathing and relax, meditation should be a pleasant experience even if you don't project during it.

If all else fails, pot seems to still my mind relatively easily. 

I don't see why you can't work the "lucid dreaming" angle... it's the science-friendly approach.

"Lucid dreaming? What's that!?"

"It's when I become fully aware in my dreams and I can do anything I want! Cool, huh?"

Why go deeper than that? If she's interested in learning more you can get into the spiritual and metaphysical aspect of it. Don't start off with "focus 3" this and "psychic neg shield" that... if you can help it. 

Do your projections feel like a virtual reality simulation or like you're watching a movie screen? If they don't, and your experiences are basically imagination driven scenarios conjured up behind the blackness of your eyelids then you're probably just daydreaming. Between having to question your projections and the way you describe them, this may be the case.

A couple nights ago I projected from a dream, becoming lucid while staring at a full moon in my backyard. Looking forward to tonight myself, though... I've been meditating a lot more than usual today in anticipation.

Good question, I notice some people have contradicting views as their opinions on a collective unconscious and entities with free will don't compliment each other well.

I think what a lot of people get confused on is the term "subconscious", a psychological term based on the assumption that consciousness is manufactured in the brain. I'm thinking a significant portion of people here believe that isn't the case, yet the word is thrown around often. It's a square block in a round hole scenario... we're using a psychological term to try and explain a spiritual experience despite the underlying assumptions contradicting one another... so now we have theories like "You didn't create it... your subconscious created it." Umm, no, you are "in" your (or rather everyone's) subconscious already. You are controlling it... so if you didn't imagine it before observing it, you didn't create it. Same with meeting entities... if you didn't think it, you didn't create it. That's my theory anyway.

Hmm, sounds like some sort of energy-based entity. Can't provide much insight beyond that, hopefully someone else can. Either way, try to make contact with it in a future experience, probe it more info, etc.

Can you be more detailed with the neon green figure? Sounds like a dweller on the threshold but I could be wrong.

As far as the other stuff, you can't always explain why certain noises or other stimulus occur when they do. You just keep experiencing and attempt to identify patterns.

I have a theory that the "subconscious" doesn't create experiences, it merely links us to parts of a public astral which may or may not have conscious inhabitants. I also think the more conscious you are in the experience, the more you are focused in that part allowing one to experience the realm with significant clarity. Based on these assumptions you did project to a real or rather objective realm. In the end, though, your intuition is the best judge of the experience. I too encourage you to try and return to this place and communicate with the aliens.

My opinion of God is panentheistic... it's the totality of consciousness.

Well, perhaps to redefine my question somewhat... Why must my conscious experience exist? Why must I perceive, or be aware. Why can't I be nothing, which is a paradox in and of-itself because I'm using the word 'I'... but you know what I mean...right?

Yeah I get what you're saying. It's very possible there are ways to not subjectively exist but still objectively exist (and therefore not violate the "nothing outside consciousness" belief.) In the same vein as ideas like locked-in thought cycles, soul retrievals, astral hospitals, rehab, waiting rooms, etc... I've thought of a few in theory:

A) You opt to have your spirit wiped clean of all memories and information learned so that it's just a "beginner soul." It would still be your consciousness starting over but it would be without a desire for nonexistence.

B) Your consciousness is reabsorbed into the physical to sustain its density. Perhaps this would mimmick the feeling of "deep sleep."

C) You are placed into a perpetual state of forgetfulness. Imagine staring at something somewhere for eternity and every moment is your first subjective experience.

Dude... what's the first rule of AP club?!  You don't TALK ABOUT AP club!!  *sighs*   LoL

You're welcome. 3D Blackness is pretty much just that... pitch black with depth like you're in a room with no light, sort of. Here, you're usually thrown into a projection without too much effort. Other times you sort of have to focus hard once in the pre-projection state to get out of body.

If by "pull out willingly" means to use an exit technique (and not to eject from the experience altogether like how I meant the phrase) you will remember the experience to some degree.

And yes it did scare me when I was a child... I always ejected from the pre-projection state out of fear so I didn't get to experience much but obviously in retrospect I'm glad it happened.

Well now that the cat is out of the bag... this is really a forum for compulsive liars. The regulars meet in a hidden lair outside Munich, sipping tea and discussing ways to deceive the internet's spiritual community. We need to lie you see, it's much like how vampires need blood. But you had to come along and be the Neo of real life... wrecking the game for all of us. Do you feel like a big man now? Huh? Ruining our fun? Well... do ya!?

Why do we have to do anything? Why 'MUST' we develop spiritually? Why 'MUST' we have a path? I am not asking this from the point of view of someone so attached to the material world that they don't want to put forth effort, because regardless the question is the same.... why must we put forth effort?

I read a story somewhere about Robert Monroe finding his "home" in an astral experience. He was up in the clouds on a clear day, uplifting music was playing and he was filled with peace. When he looked closely at a stream of moving clouds he noticed they flowed in a repeating pattern... over, and over, and over again. Soon he got bored with what seemed like paradise, opting to return to the physical. The moral is... we most likely *want* to spiritually advance to avoid the same old same old. I've heard theories that you can create your own world in the astral to go to when you die, though. If this is true I see no reason why you can't just chill in your own little "consciousness nook" for eternity.

As a Buddha desires no power here on the physical, why would a Buddha desire any power in the astral in the form of knowledge/enlightenment. Could it not be said that this desire for spiritual elevation is a form of greed in and of itself, that the only way to escape greed is to purely not exist? For not desiring one thing means you inherently desire another, this is an ultimate truth. The greed for nothing physical. The only was to have no greed/desire is to not exist. For lack of desire is desire in and of itself because you desire lack of desire. A paradox. The only way to avoid this is to be nothing, to not even 'be' in the first place. Even if you do nothing and float with the universal flow as conscious energy, that is a desire also, to do nothing.

The Buddha didn't try to eliminate desire... he taught the Middle Way... control your desires, don't let your desires control you. True enlightenment isn't reached through a desire for power but a desire for truth. Desire doesn't equate to greed because greed implies personal advance to the detriment of others.

Would it not be ideal to be raw energy coexisting with the universe if this is the state one/Buddha would be representative of through hours upon hours in a "one with the universe" meditative state? To me, this would be the ultimate level of peace.

That is theoretically where one goes after becoming enlightened, but I don't think "having an advanced idea of what to expect post mortem" will get you there as fast as you hope.

Sounds like you fell asleep into a pre-projection state or 3D blackness. I did this naturally as a child and from experience you typically always end up in a projection unless you pull yourself out willingly. Congrats.

I would tackle your inability to relax and meditate before even attempting to project. Think of projecting like heavy weightlifting... you can't expect to bench 100 lbs. if you haven't been to the gym. You have to start with the basics and that's relaxing and meditating. So you might need to explain what barriers you have in doing these things before we can offer ways to overcome them.

You asked a lot of questions in your previous post... you also gave the best answer:

How do we know? We can't.

So all this really boils down to... are you willing to take the chance?

Cannabis is good for the soul... ^__^

I can attest to that. 

Interesting... do you remember the nature of the voice, what it sounded like, who/what it came from, etc?

[Part One]

Part One Phenomena experienced during an OBE.
During an OBE have you ever experienced (Yes or No)---
1) Acute senses, especially, but not limited to, sight and hearing? Yes
2) Experienced confusion and/or fear? Yes
3) Experienced extreme happiness, elation, joy and/or excitement ? Yes
4) Have you ever witnessed anything while out of body that was actually confirmed or verified later? No
5) Performed magic (magick) or had a special psychic ability? No
6) Been under the influence of alcohol or Any type of mind altering substance (including OTC and prescription medication)? Yes
7) Encountered any form of barrier that prevented you from continuing your travels? No

Part Two Miscellaneous Phenomena
Please answer Yes or No to the following questions.
Have you ever ---
8 ) Used either a brain wave generator, hemi-sync music or a binaural beat CD/tape to help facilitate an OBE? Yes
9) Ever encountered a very powerful superphysical or bio energy during an OBE? No
10) Do you regularly practice meditation? Yes
11) Have you ever deliberately induced an OBE directly from a dream or lucid dream? Yes
12) Have you ever seen your own physical body from a point of view outside of your physical body during an OBE? Not unless a mirror counts
13) Have you ever seen the Silver Cord during an OBE? No

I thought about suicide a lot following a broken spine/pelvis last summer. With chronic nerve pain and a myriad of medical problems I got to know suffering well. The thoughts went away as I recovered but I'd hate to think where I'd be if I didn't... others aren't so lucky. Point is, in the grand scheme of things to take your life due to emotional or philosophical reasons is petty. You'd be amazed with what little some people have and how much they physically suffer, yet they still cling to life. Did the Buddha call it quits after attaining enlightenment under the bodhi tree? No, he wanted to elevate others to his spiritual level and improve life for all. Don't use a false sense of spiritual superiority as an excuse for suicide because if you need the excuse you aren't as advanced as you think. Just my opinion.

I usually do not "think" that much. My mind never fight for good or bad. My actions are involuntary and it all comes sudden. I am really "unpredictable".

Phasing is very hard for the people who think too much. Even not only phasing, all other spiritual activities are harder to perform if you are "mind" driven. I have been a neutral "witness" since childhood and i enjoy seeing rather than getting involved. And this helped me a lot to do good in spiritual world.

People miss the essence of phasing/obe when they read too much and try to classify levels and focuses. What frank and other people are saying, is to "observe" and that is to "witness". Buddha have been teaching this witness for ages.

Mind actually has no use when it comes to daily routine of life. I use it when I am doing programming or some analytical thing, rest of time it is off

Once you know this observer/witness you will actually not analyse useless things. The more you are attached with your mind the more difficult it becomes to shift your focus.

I disagree. I think most people are on auto-pilot... they let their actions flow through them without much thought. They're too engaged in the material world to ask themselves the deep questions and I'm sure even if they had the answers they wouldn't care. This doesn't bode too well for a strong memory or "in the moment" observation conducive to projection.

The one who observes is the one that analyzes what the other group deems "useless things." Their actions don't flow through them, they imagine all the angles and proceed with caution. This is "in the moment" observation. I am this way... unless I'm doing something incredibly arbitrary the wheels are always turning as I'm highly introspective to a fault. It's distracting in most social situations and probably isn't the way to lead a happy physical existence, but it has allowed me a peak into our larger reality.

I guess my main point is... either of these groups can get bogged down with terminology if they lack experience. That doesn't really say anything more than spiritual or not, we are all still human.

Honestly I don't think you were awake... I've had projecting strings where at certain points I think I've awoken... sometimes I can see my room, I can hear the televison (even though it's really off), etc. Usually in these circumstances I have a difficult time moving some part of my body. When the vibes kick in I realize I'm not awake and I integrate into another projection.

As far as not being able to move well in projection... it may just be the luck of the draw. Sometimes I have full control, sometimes I lack control, and other times I am being controlled.