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A few years ago I actually read a couple of earliesh new agey books - "The Only Planet of Choice" (by Phyllis V. Schlemmer
) and another from the same story, cant remember name now. I kinda accepted them as true because I "liked" the things they weresaying (an idea which is pushed hard in New Age circles..). Later, but not much later, I read someone laying into them saying the books were BS. Going back, and over time re-analysing them, its quite blatent to me now that they are totally false, and contained nothing of any worth. One memorable part consisted of them calling Kissinger their "Messenger of Light" in the Middle East or something along those lines. Say, WHAT??? How interesting. I have also read that much of the New Age movement was intentionally started to mis-lead, by groups that wanted to stop people from getting to the light - a "Glass ceiling" if you like. Consipiracy you might think, but makes you wonder....

These books only validated themselves, which is I find a lot like much of the channaled info. I think I started really analysing them when I read RB's aticle "The popultar model conundrum". Channeled info is really the worst aspect IMO, its highly deceptive and infectios - no real substance to it but flowers and light and lies.

I guess I've come to the conclusion that New Age philosophy is really quite empty, and anything good that can be found from it can be found better, and deeper, looking in other places. Like going back to the real sources which were mish-mashed together and called "New Age".

Yet to come across any new age teachings/channelings that can refute this for me.....still looking....anyone mind enlightening me??

Er, I think thats most of it!! []

http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/oobe/oobe.htm

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Another great experience! Congrats! Sounds lik we've got quite a few residents and visitors on the island these days.

"THE ASTRAL COULD BE THE SAME"

- "As above, so below; as below, so above"

which would also imply that the reasons for the astral are the same as the reasons for the physical (ie the meaning of life). Whatever you may believe that to be - personally I cant see any other possible reason than to progress, or enjoy where you are.

Rob

If you yourself want to fight back, then you will need to learn and use magic (irrelevant of what it may be called)

Therefore the first steps you will need to learn are:
1. Focussing and clearing the mind, through intense meditation. Good exercise being focussing on and counting your breaths to the exclusion of everything else - once you can do this and not think any other thought for say, 5 minutes, you're doing well.
2. Visualisation - the ability to create a mental (mostly visual) construct, and hold it steady in your mind, again 5 minutes.
3. Real magickal exercises!!

good luck!!!

Rob

Hey!!! Welcome!!!!!

"The apple is imperfect and needs all these parts to funtion properly where as God is perfect and is not in need of 2 other parts to make him whole."

God *in isolation* maybe, and this is essentially where Islam and (my conception of) the Christian trinity break from eachother. The trinity is God made physical, made man, and still sitting "up there". Islam recognises only the latter of these, forgetting the divinity of the former two. There may be One God but when he is manifest we conceive of him as being three (although He is really Infinite), each of which is a distinct but very real part, and each of which IS necessary for the universe to finction as it does. This was planned, and I see no reason why it cannot be a perfectly functioning system just because God created limits within it. If there were no limits, there would be no evolution, and there would be no manifestation.
But I get the feeling you will still cling to the concept of One God. I do not refute this, but just try to show that there are different ways of looking at a God who is, by anyones standards, beyond comprehension.

peace
Rob

Tab - that would be logical, but do you really think the person who wrote that site has any time for logic?

Mustardseed - depends if you are referring to the actually Maitreya as Radha has described, or the false "Maitreya" as he calls himself who many people claim is the anti-christ.

"It would be funny . . . if it weren't so sad!"

No no Tisha - its damn funny AND sad!! Lol so much lunacy....I could quote the entire thing but here's some stuff on the yin/yang that made me laugh especially hard []:

"I had always wondered about the distinctive black and white squares on Masonic floors, as depicted on Washington's apron, above. Now we know they represent the extremely Satanic concept of Yin and Yang, the "favorite of sorcerers."   Masons also use two triangles joined together to represent Yin and Yang. Therefore, their depiction of the Hexagram also depicts Yin and Yang. We have described the sexual connotation to the Mason of the Hexagram, above.

However, Masonry also teaches standard Satanic lore about the Yin and Yang symbol......
<snip>...but, their belief in Yin and Yang is identical to the Satanist Mysteries. But, why should we be surprised, for Albert Pike told us that Freemasonry is "identical to the Mysteries "

Well!!! You cant argue with that sort of logic!!!!!!!

Rob

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and more:

"SEX IN MASONIC TEMPLE -- AND THE POMEGRANATE"
ROFLMAO

"I find it highly pagan to realize the obsession Masons have about sex,"
"In reading their explanations for these symbols, you should be amazed at the creativity they demonstrate in assigning sexual connotations to many of their symbols."

Sorry, WHAT obsession about sex??? Who is assigning sexual connotations???
Radha - great point.

"Freemasonry IS a Mysteries Religion. Mystery Religions in all of past history have had several things in common:

1) They serve Lord Satan, most of them openly

2) They reject the One True God of the Holy Bible.

3) God has brought every one of these Mystery Religions into physical judgment. Freemasonry will be no different, but will get its judgment in conjunction with Antichrist."

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
yep, its just funny!!!
oh boy, I would love to keep on quoting, but I had better stop...

Nita,

I dont suppose there will be any video or audio recordings available for this event? I sure wouldn't mind hearing what you folks have to say....

Rob

quote:Indeed, how can one kill another person, when, according to good Buddhist orthodoxy, all is emptiness? The person who kills with full knowledge of the facts kills no one, since he has realized that all is but illusion, himself as well as the other person. The idea, moreover, is not exclusive to Buddhism, since it can be found in the Hindu scriptures, in the Bhagavad Gita.

omg omg....I would like to refer back to what I said about people trying to interpret texts from a lower level of consciousness than that which created them, and so coming to horribly distorted conclusions......as you prove, this is not limited to Christianity!!!!!

OK maybe I should just stay out of this discussion from now on but I am a little irked so:

quote:I furthermore find it funny how you all jump to his support when anyone has the audacity to question him. You sound so protective

Lol hhm you will notice I also "jumped to the support" of shadowdancer a few pages back, and "jumped into confrontation" with RB a while before that.......so.......can I say jumping to pre-fabricated conclusions?

If you have to know, and I wasn't going to say this, a good part the reason I replied was because you were taking a fine toothcombe through his words. You do not extend this privaledge to me, or anyone else, so what you were doing was precisely the polar opposite of what you accuse people like me of doing - then when I jump in its because I am being defensive!!!?!....think about it....
If, on the other hand, you were being so ruthlessly picky with ANYONE elses post, I would likely have replied in the manner I did.

Ach, enough stirring for one day.

....and folks, if any of you have a problem with what I say, just give me a good slap round the face aight? You've allowed to call me by my name and tell me to f-off if you like (I dont think anyone on these forums has the capacity to actually offend me....I'm not even sure such a thing is possible these days). Being a mod means nothing, I'm just expressing my opinions, that OK isn't it...??

Rob
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oh and btw Timeless:

quote:That any religion if approached with deep devotion, love, compassion, and self reflection can achieve the same end but I do not think any of these is better that Christianity...nor worse.

Once you have reached the stage you have described it becomes possible to evenly approach any religion or none, but by that point the religion is not necessary. The purpose, and only purpose IMO, of religion should be to lead people to that level while making sure they dont hurt others as much as possible along the way. And some religions have better ways of doing this than others, while some have none which are readily approachable. This is not me putting one religion down, far from it, its me realising the nature of the things we are confronted with. It IS me being objective.
Although I have often debated with myself, whether the ability to "succeed" (LOL) spiritually (ROFL) is something you are born with, or something which the outside world can nudge you towards. I tend to sway to the former, in which case it doesn't matter much which path you take. Likely, you'll end up carving your own. I dunno.....

quote:Originally posted by fredhedd

everything is funny. there isn't anything that exists that you can't find humor in.

Amen to that! I find laughing at myself provides me with the most amusement []

Adrian!!

quote:Originally posted by Adrian

This physical world is not reality, the higher realms are reality, and Astral Pulse Island has a pyramid which will form the basis of many important activities in the future.

With respect to the pyramid - in that case IMHO you should make sure the pyramid is really "right". The pyramids, as I am sure you know, should have perfect limestone sides, and a capstone made of eeerrr......not sure. Probably annealed white powder gold which will look like clear glass. Without these things the pyramid will not be half as powerful at doing what it is supposed to do. And make sure the sides are the right angles etc.
I know its already "made", and I am just throwing a spanner in here, but I think this is important never the less....

Rob

ROFLMAO!!!!

Awesome.....had me in stitches throughout.....

MORE!!!!!!!!!!

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Rob

Brim - just to confirm - that what you left on the signs right (what Nita found)?! (hehe a nice little proof for astral projection"

Damn this sounds like an exciting project!!

Beth!

What is your opinion on Blavatsky? I have a friend who did some research of his own on her, and concluded she was totally dodgy and bogus. Comments? Anyone?
I haven't really looked into the topic at hand, so I wouldn't know!

Rob

WOW incredible story, thats one place I'd love to visit.

Lol. Yeah the bonk one does seem very suspect, if that law did ever exist, I strongly suspect it was totally ignored - would've cost the King a lot of placards otherwise! Mind you, we have some odd laws hidden away......

quote:Actually, in England, the word "bonk" isn't considered a profanity (but the word "bloody" is).

Naaa man!! Its most definitely the other way round!!!!!

Tao - LOL you call that stuff relaxing?!!![][]

I dont know much on this topic but I'll give it a shot....

Taoism recognises how nature goes in cycles of polarities. These two polarities are expressed in the symbol travelinbob has chosen to use as his avatar - very famous, of course. The yin, the female, and the yang, the male (negative/positive, dark/light, bad/good even). This law of polarity applies to everything in nature. This extends to emotions, physical things, states of mind, rythms of the universe, etc etc. So, recognising this, a taoist will see the flows in life, and never ever try and work against them, realising how foolish this would be. Instead, for instance, if he wants to bring something to a certain polarity, he might paradoxically speed up the increase to its opposite so, like a spring, it will shoot back quicker and with more force.
However, the toaist also seeks to overcome polarities and get to a point inside of himself where these opposites merge into a single Whole. At that point the taoist has gained a degree of mastery over himself and the world he lives, so that he understand things to a much higher level than other people. His perspective and field of vision has increased, ie he is in an expanded state of consciousness (=expanded awareness).

I think this is expressed as a martial art in T'ai Chi, where the objective is not like a hard martial art to hit and hurt, but more a soft one where you use the force of your attacker against them.

Toaism and its relationship to martial arts is expressed very well in the film "Twin Warriors" which I strongly recommend - especially if you like mad fight scenes!!!! Awesome....

Rob

Hey Logorat!!

quote: To answer your statement!

Lol fair enough! Yes its all of course IMO and everything...hehe I do tend to jump upon mine soapbox a little too often.....rofl..

quote:David Icke doesnt create fear.
What he talks about is something that many people agree and know about.
It has been known for a very long time.
If that makes you scared,.. then that is something you have to deal with.

Aaaaahh I would have to respectfully disagree! I listened to an interview with david icke once on...umm lets see....news for the soul radio (http://www.newsforthesoul.com/moreshows.htm) - the presenter, bless her, started the interview by saying something along the lines of "David, many people find your ideas terrifying, but I think that they are infact very liberating and positive, your thoughts?" and he replied with "RANTRANTRANTRANT I'M TELLING PEOPLE THAT THERE IS AN EVIL REPTILIAN GOVERNMENT CONTROLLING THE WORLD RANTRANTRANT". She handed him a Golden Spoon to feed people with, showing that he is infact not fear based, and he totally either missed it or threw it back in her face. He is not orientated towards liberating people (positive), he is orientated towards making people afraid of the current situation (negative). You could say "aware" instead of afraid, but thats not really the way he presents it. He seems to me to be presenting it more along the lines of some sort of sensationalist story, used to grip as many people as possible.

Well, thats just what I think anyway!

Rob

Timeless - I guess you are right!

Yeah, I do tend to dump Christianity, because I have become more and more dissolusioned with it over time. But thats more the fault of the organisations than that of the Bible. Fair play.

Oh, and I should add that the most spiritual man I have ever met was a Catholic Monseignor, very holy man, you could feel it just being in his presence. Unfortunately he had been sent to watch over the flock in the falkland island - he should have been sent to a high density place which really needed him. Again, the fault of the organisation, not the person. So it goes...(I do have ask "why" though)

Rob

I am interested in David Icke and have discussed him with a mate who is quite into his books - but the thing I find a bit poor (even quite disturbing) is how much he rants against all the fear based systems while completely creating his own. He tells us in no uncertain terms just how awful the world is, that its run by a load of reptilians and etc etc etc and that there is nothing you can do about it other than to spread the word! (while simultaneously raving about how this whole planet is controlled by fear) Pffftt!! IMO you fight evil where you find it, and spread the light as much as possible. We KNOW there is evil in this world! Who cares what face it takes? Further - there most certainly are things you can do to fight for whats right:
- Mararishi effect - meditate and spread the light to your local area
- Help the research into advanced technologies that would cut the strangle hold the world is currently experiencing. All such research (ie into things which are truly revolutionary and really do matter) is not done in universities, but by independant fringe researchers in their garages, sheds, etc. Free energy (eg zero point), anti-gravity, rife machines, ORMUS (anything related to) - all of these things have the potential to shatter some huge and very parasitic systems. And they all need more people like you and me to push them forward.
- Help improve yourself, help other improve themselves, generally be a Good human being. Every little bit helps.
- Oh yeah, and dont obsess about how evil the world is....

my 2p....

Rob

"It seems obvious to me that Robert claim is proven false by the above so any attempt to qualify it with statements like "what I meant was" is unfair"

You did read James' post, right? He clearly refutes your above statement. Your "evidence" proves nothing - none of it shows any Buddhist starting any war, I believe? Self defense is another matter entirely. And people are allowed to believe in punishing wrongdoers, thats often a good thing, isn't it?

You say you are being picky because of the way some people might say "oh Robert Bruce said this so it must be true" well I think a more reasonable argument would be to tell such people to stop idolising (hehe he said), nomatter who the "idol" is (even if it is the Great Robert Bruce LOL.....we are all only human when it comes right down to it). And

Further, even if the point you made which I have quoted above WAS true, it would still be unreasonably picky. The fact of the matter is that Buddhists are very peaceful people, much more so than ANY other religion (that I know of) - which is, I believe, essentially what RB was saying. Having spent time experiencing their culture first hand - would you refute this? You say that Buddhists embrace Christan values, and I think you are indicating that this is because they are gereally a better people. But you will see that the West was shaped by Christianity for the last couple of thousand years, and the Buddhist cultures have been shaped by Buddhism. You seem to trying to avoid the obvious conclusion that it is BECAUSE of Buddhism that its followers are able to assimilate the positive factors of others, and it is BECAUSE of Christianity that its follows cannot do that same

Personally I would be very suprised if no predominantly Buddhist culture had ever started any war, as even Zen Buddhist monasteries unfortunately suffer from the scurge of politics. And, like I said, we are all only human. But the fact remains, and I dont believe it can be refuted, that Buddhists are at least one of the most peaceful of cultures. And they aim towards enlightenment. Neither of these points can truly be made of Christianity which has had its scripture used as a pretext for war countless times, and makes no attempt to lead its following towards expanded consciousness. IMO these two points are intimitely linked - Buddhism is an alive religion, where the fountains of wisdom are not just stuffy old texts but enlightened masters who know what they are talking about, and dont have to refer to Holy Books to provide answers about their religion. Christianity relies upon the words of lots of dead people, and tries to interpret them from lower levels of consciousness which is bound to lead to dogma and inaccuracies, to say the very least.

adios!

Rob

ps the reason I might look like I am "jumping to RB's defense" is primarily because I agree with the things he is saying, and have a real appreciation for Zen Buddhism.

pps no, I am not a Buddhist [] - and I came to all these conclusions independant of RB, not knowing he had any interest in the subject at hand.

ppps all the above should only be taken as my thoughts, and therefore not too seriously! []