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Hi there Kel....

Everything Risu said above was pretty good advice.

For me, getting vision was the HARDEST thing to do, even harder than just getting out of my body.  Every now and then, I still have a little problem, so here are some things I do:

1) When I am out and not able to see, I usually try to FEEL something solid, just to orientate myself.  As an example, if I roll out of my body, I will feel for my dresser, then feel my way over to my door, etc.

2) Once I am orientated, I take 2-3 deep astral breaths.  As I breathe in, I feel myself becoming a little lighter, and a little more stable in this environment.  My vision usually kicks in at this stage as I become more relaxed.

3) As Risu said, I also try and get away from my physical body.  The more experience you get with projecting, the less this step really matters (as I can now see near my physical body without too much trouble).  However, in the early stages, I found that I needed to almost leave the room my body was in before I could see.  This may have all been just a mental stumblingblock, and have nothing to do with astral laws of vision.

4) As you breathe in the astral air, imagine your sight coming to you with each inhale/exhale.

Those steps work for me 95% of the time.  The other 5% is usually when I am disorientated or flying at lightening fast speeds through the black void, and in both instances, I have never been able to gain control of my vision.

Congrats, GhostGirly.  Sounds like a successful OBE to me!  Isn't it wonderful?

I am impressed at how many verifiable things you were able to confirm, like your mom and dad being in the same location that you saw them, and your dad confirming the chips you saw you him eating.

However, don't be too alarmed when you project and see things that aren't there.  For example, it wouldn't be uncommon to see your mom in her house....and then when you call to verify, it turns out that she was no where near the house at that time.  Little inconsistencies like that are quite common in the astral.

Anyway, I think your post was great.   And if you didn't download it already, I welcome you to check out this program I wrote which allows you to store your OBE journal entry inside of it, and it will then calculate graphs which help you analyze all your experiences at once.  Just see the link in my signature.  This current OBE of yours is a perfect example of what I designed it for!

Welcome to the board!  Glad to have you as a part of our astral community.

If you haven't already, you may want to download the OBE Journal and transfer all your OBE entries into it.  That way, you can also analyze them to see if certain conditions help you to project (like body position, phase of the moon, etc).

Just click the link in my signature.   Great post by the way.  I always like reading other people's experiences.

Douglas,  I don't have anything to add.  I just wanted to thank you for the fascinating read!  Way to go.

quote:Originally posted by jc84corvette

I have a interesting sub topic for this topic. When you meditate you loose track of your time easily if you are deep enough, my personal view.

I would think that by definition, you should lose track of time.  After all, isn't one of the main points of meditation to clear your mind?  That would mean not being focused on time or the clock.

At least that is what I do with meditation.  I can't speak for anyone else.

Wizard, it sounds like you're on the right track.  Just remember that your mind, in addition to being passively aware of the body, must also be relaxed.

Many people think that the KEY to an OBE is to have a completely relaxed body.  This isn't always true.  The KEY is to have a relaxed mind.  Getting your mind in the right state is more important than getting your body in the right state.

It's all about disassociating yourself from the situation without getting lost in your own swirling thoughts and emotions.  A lot tougher than it seems!

Usually what I do is spent the first 10 minutes or so relaxing my body.  In this stage, it's OK to focus on your physical body.

After that, I spent 10 minutes or so relaxing my mind.  Clearing my thoughts, things like that.

From there, you have to shift your focus away from your egotistical mind and body, and focus on something non-physical.  Some people like to watch the imagery that begins to form in your field of vision.  Others like to focus on an internal sound, like a ringing in the ears.  The point is to just focus on these internal things while maintaining a passive awareness and not falling asleep.

However, usually if you do fall asleep, you will either find yourself able to OBE later that night, or you will have incredible dream recall.  This is because you spent the 20+ minutes conditioning yourself before going to sleep to focus on your inner senses.

Here is exactly what goes on in my mind.

1) I awaken from sleep on my bed, with this "feeling" that I can project.  Sometimes this feeling is accompanied by a slight numbing vibration all throughout my body.

2) From there, I usually roll out of the bed and land on my floor.  At this point, I am extremely excited, because I now know that I just got out of body.  No matter how many times I do it, I am always overwhelmed by this varying degree of excitement.

3) Within 3-5 seconds, this excitement goes away, and I start to question myself.  "Am I REALLY out of my body?  Or did I roll out of bed for real?"  I often think this because it is so REAL.  The carpet feels real under my feet.  The things I touch are solid.  My mind is completely aware and competant, just like it is when I am in my body.

4) In order to remove all doubts from my mind, I purposely go over to something solid, and thrust my hand through it.  At first, there is a little resistance, but then my hand easily slides through the object like a hot knife in butter.  

5) From there, I then try and keep myself calm while decided what on Earth to do.  

When I am out of my body, the only way I can describe it is that you feel like Superman.  Think about it.  If right now, as you were reading this message, you were able to fly to the other side of the room and then back again, how would that make you feel?  

Just knowing that I can fly when out is enough to give me a peace and happiness when projecting that I often feel very euphoric.  In fact, there have been many projections of mine where I just got out, only to sit on the floor (or outside my house) and just relax!  No flying, no exploring, just sitting around and soaking in the experience.  It's that amazing.

quote:Originally posted by Ceriel N

Jeff, I think it's a question of how fast you're able to get out.

DOOOOOOOOOOHHH!!  I guess that's what I get for reading the question too quickly!

Almost all of my projections happen from a sleeping state where my consciousness snaps into focus, and I'm aware of two things:

1) That I'm in my room on my bed
2) That I can OBE now if I wanted

So it's hard to say how fast it takes me to project, since I don't really lay down and project without some kind of break in consciousness.

However, I can tell you that when I'm in the mindset right before projecting (in the two stages above), I can separate from my body instantly.  Rarely do I have problems anymore separating from my body, unless I feel real groggy.

quote:Originally posted by Tisha

Josh, try it in the early am, after a long night's rest.

I agree with Tisha.  Most of my projections seem to happen in the early morning after I've rested for a few hours.  To show you the drastic difference, I am attaching a screenshot from my OBE Journal program which analyzed my experiences.

Notice the time when most of my experiences happen is in the early morning hours:

quote:Originally posted by Man Of Jade

Whats everybody's record time for Projecting? Mine is about 20 minutes... And has anybody ever heard of anybody being able to project just like that, on a whim?

It's kind of hard to say.  Whenever I come back from an OBE, I try and GUESS how long it might have been in physical time.

But we never really know.  I could have an extremely long OBE, and perhaps only a minute will pass on our physical watches.  Or the opposite could happen.  You just may roll out of your body, look around, and come back, only to see that 5 minutes went by.

To answer your question though, I would say my best OBE's have been my longest, and the longest one I had felt like it was a little over 30 minutes long.  However, MOST of my OBE's are usually 5 minutes or less.

quote:Originally posted by Hyperdimensional
The new release 1.00.00 (beta4) has many possibilities and It's easy to use, ty for add some recommendations..

You're welcome.  I'm glad that so many of you are seeing the benefit of this program.  []

quote:Originally posted by chill
Do some of you, no matter how real it has felt for you to LEAVE your body, doubt that their OBE is only a hpnagogic hallucination ? I don't mean to bash the experience. I just want to share my feelings...

Hey there Chill,

To answer your question, I would have to say No, and here is why.

When I am looking at hypnogogic imagery, my state of consciousness is much different than when I'm having an OBE.

For example, in a hypnogogic state, my awareness is very passive.  It's almost like zoning out and not trying to concentrate on anything.  Then, an image, color, shape, etc. will pop to the forefront of my awareness.  I'll focus on it, but then it'll slowly go away, and my awareness goes back to a passive state.

In an OBE, the opposite is true.  My awareness switches from passive to proactive.  I focus on things, I concentrate, I think and use logical reasoning when conducting myself.  It's very precise, clear, and realistic.

There is no doubt in my mind as to what is only imagery and what is actual conscious exploration of the astral realms.

That is just my take on things, pulling from my own experiences.

First off, congratulations!  Once I had my first OBE, it was like opening the floodgates, and now I have them all the time.  So buckle up!

quote:Originally posted by MrIncognito
I felt an energy pulsating in my ears, kind of the sensation when you hear a really load noise, or the wind blows in them just right.  

Yes, I've often said that it sounds like the air which blows down on you when you're sitting in an airplane, and you turn that little black nozzle above your head.  Almost like a loud hissing sound.

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Anyway, I concentrated on this and controlled it, then simply pulled (rope method-ish) and floated out.  I found my head floating at the base of my feet, and was blind as a bat.

For me, learning to use my vision took the longest.  For 6-8 months, all of my projections were in the dark!  Talk about frustrating!

quote:
I also noticed that there was a bit of dread with the experience, almost seeming to be seperate from reason, I confronted this and it automatically dissipated, as I convinced myself there was no good reason for it.

That's excellent.  Confronting and dealing with fears and emotions are one of the key things to having a successful projection experience.  It's good to see that a newcomer to the astral world such as yourself has already figured that out.

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Then I remembered the Ultra-Short suggestion Robert Bruce gives in Astral Dynamics, so I simply thought of going back, and instantly I was.

Yep, usually the mere thought of the physical body will instantly send you back to it.  A lot of people take comfort in that thought, but a lot of other people get ticked off because their experience always gets cut short!

quote:Originally posted by wisp

Hi Jeff,
I downloaded your program, it's great! I already know I want to use it indefinitely.I want to be able to store the info on Cd. Is this possible? I had bought a Cd a few years ago (it stored the info), it ended up being incompatible with my computer or me. This program you have created seems superior than this other one I tried to use.

Hi Wisp,

The info is stored as text files on your hard drive.  However, it is possible to put the program's working directory on a CD, and run it from a read/write CD drive (CD-RW).  That way, the program can still write to the new files.

Granted, I have never tested that, but I don't see why that would be a problem.  I don't want to take up too much space on Astral Pulse giving tech support for it, so if you have technical questions, please post them here and we can get into more detail: http://www.obejournal.com/Forums

Anyway, I'm glad so many people like the program, and that it's gaining popularity.  I am working on the next release, which will allow you to COMBINE conditions to analyze.  

As an example, right now, you can only analyze one condition at a time, like "How many of my experiences involved an astral encounter?"  Or "How many of my experiences happened after sex?"  

However, in the next released version, you will be able to COMBINE conditions to analyze.  You could see how many astral encounters happened when you had sex prior.  Or you could see how many projections you had during a nap time which also involved medication, etc.  There are many different possibilities that you will be able to cross reference.

Anyway, this next release should be out within a week.  I will keep you all posted.  Right now, version 1.00.00 Beta 3 is available for download here: http://www.obejournal.com/downloads.shtml

quote:Originally posted by rodentmouse

either way its been  difficult  trying  to remain calm as  my awareness  shifts into the  3rd eye area.  

anyone know what i mean,  if  so  how  did  you overcome it?

Well, when you start getting to the stage where you're seeing brief astral images, then you're right on the border of a successful projection.

However, if you're having trouble at this point, you may want to try switching tactics.  For example, meditate until you see these images.  Then, when you're consciously aware of the stage you're at, switch your focus to your astral hearing.

Simply "listen" and see if you can catch a glimpse of some astral sounds, like bells, chimes, static, etc.

This will take the attention off your eyes/vision, and at the same time, it will still take you forward in the right direction of mind awake/body asleep.

quote:Originally posted by Hermanaki

..........if OBE is something possible?

Yes, it's possible.

quote:
I mean I read all about it, I read ASTRAL DYNAMICS and I started some exercises but I still have doubt if it will work.

First, remove all doubt and believe that it will work.  It's best you start with a clean slate and an open mind.  Doubts will only hinder your success.

quote:
I mean can you really get out of your body and float in different dimensions?

Yes.

quote:Originally posted by clandestino

hey there Jeff !

Unfortunately I can't access your site through my office firewall...its registered as "adult content" with websense.

Ah well !


Mark

Mark.....sorry about that.  Looks like it was some left over garbage in my HTML code that was ported over from the MyJokeMail.com website!

Anyway, I changed some things, so try again and let me know if you can get to the OBE Journal website.  If you still can't, then let me know and I can email you the program.

quote:Originally posted by brisck1
It felt almost as if I had awakened when doing it and began forgetting about everything in this world, in the same way you do when waking from a dream.

That is precisely what most people need to do in order to have an OBE: forget about everything in this world.

It's almost like your falling asleep to this world and awakening into another, the same way you fall asleep to the dream world and wake up to this one every morning.

quote:Originally posted by cainam_nazier

Hey Jeff,

I checked out your program and I like it.  I registered on your forum too and made a couple of posts.  I think that the program has a lot of potential as a quality tool.  It also has a lot of potential for growth as well.  I hope that this works out for you and that you continue to improve the program.

Yes, I see you posted on there, and I already responded.  I agree that I think this will be a good tool for all those interested in writing down their dreams, OBE's, and AP's.

You know, it has to start somewhere, and I think the program right now is pretty darn sophisticated.  As I release future versions, it will become more and more complex.  []

It's hard for me to say what it was since I wasn't there, and I have no idea what you did beforehand....

However, it sounds like it could have been the vibrations that one often feels when they awaken in a sleep paralysis state.  The only reason why I think this is because you say that there was no sound.

quote:Originally posted by lau_lauz

u see i a  god and astral does not exist cos i say this is the dream i  had in my experience hahahh

For being a god, you have horrendous spelling errors.  Remind me never to worship you.

quote:Originally posted by Nagual

Hey jeff, I tried to install it but it complained that I don't have the .NET framework...  Is it because I use 2000 and not XP...?

No, it doesn't depend on your operating system.  You would have to go to this link and download the .NET 1.1 Framework onto your system:

http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/

Or you could click the Windows Update option from your START menu.

If you need any other help, you could direct your questions on my support forum here: http://www.obejournal.com/Forums

quote:Originally posted by Centa Five

Hi Jeff, what a terrific idea!  What you just mentioned about focusing on a sound never crossed my mind but it makes perfect sense as, like you said, it is a non-physical item.  I'll give it a spin the nex few nights and see if I can obtain the same results.  It's the participation of knowledgeable people like you that make scanning these forums really worthwhile and I appreciate your input even though it was directed to someone else.  I'm getting it done with the projections but they are scattered and sometimes repeating the same successful sequence does not always work the next time.  My goal is to project on a regular basis and I find that awareness during my waking hours focusing only on my breath pretty much clears my mind of random thoughts and it kind of spills over into the dream state because I get more than my share of lucid ones.  Thanks again Jeff.

No problem, Centa.  Glad to help you out.  []

quote:Originally posted by Arisen
Jeff_Mash: Could you get me a free version? Please? []

James, the version on the site IS free.  You don't have to pay to download it or to start using it.