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#451
Greetings scout
Yes congrats are due for a multiple OBE night!  :-)
And the flying too as flying is a blast!  :-D

Cheers
Grey
#452
Hallo Scout
False Awakenings (FAs) are an altered state of consciousness where a person believes that they are awake but in fact are still dreaming. As far as I know FAs are Not directly related to OBEs (or the effort of trying to get out of the body) and are more closely related to dreams (or trying to wake up from a sleep dream). Although just recently I did read an account of someone who had a FA during an OBE. Yet this experience is quite rare as usually FAs follow normal, non lucid dreams.
Of all the different states of consciousness (including lucid dreams, non lucid dreams, OBEs, APs, meditation and mind altering substances) I think that FAs are the Least explored and understand state of mind. I have had many FAs. They happen for no apparent reason. Sometimes I can catch a FA during the experience and have transitioned FAs into OBEs and lucid dreams. Sometimes the FAs go by unnoticed and I sometimes confuse the memory of an FA with a dim memory of a waking event. Weird?  :?
Also it is unknown why FAs sometimes occur in bunches. Your experience of having 6 or 7 FAs in one night is in no way unusual as it happens to many people. I have had as many as 4 FAs in on night.

Regards
Grey
#453
Hallo Zorgblar.
From your description of the event it certainly appears to have been an OBE. Apparently the experience only lasted a few seconds? Besides viewing your physical body and the shirts did you do anything or see anything else??
I'm guessing that were out of body but that you did not get far enough away from your physical body and you were sucked back into the physical in a matter of only a few seconds. And actually that is a Very common situation for many people when OOB. It has happened to me also.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#454
Hallo vsandova and welcome.
Spiritual awakenings affect different people in many different ways. So it may take some time before you can fully integrate what is happening and feel comfortable with it.
Fear is one of the "barriers' you must deal with. Most people must deal with fear when facing the unknown. Try not to let fear get the better of you. Fear and weird emotions can cause a lot of confusion and as you said, negativity. So it might be a good idea do to do a Lot of reading and look for something that appeals especially to you. This might be OBEs, or it might be lucid dreaming or it might be something else entirely. Whatever you find attracted to then stay with that one thing for awhile and become good at it. Later you can experiment with other activities that you feel less comfortable with.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#455
Greetings vasspilka/Billy and welcome.
For starters you might want to read as many threads in the "Welcome to the Astral FAQ" forum as possible. The next step would be to select one OBE induction method and use that method to try to go out of body for about two weeks. Just keep trying different methods every few weeks until something works. It might take several weeks or even several months so try to be patient and stay focused.

Good luck  :-)
Grey
#456
Hallo omcasey
While I have never had a precognitive OBE I have had a few precog dreams. Those dreams covered everything from as mundane as a routine city bus ride to as widespread as major flooding in Texas. I was not shown these events through guides I simply experienced them as part of a dream.
My BIG problem is that it is never obvious when a dream is showing a future event as opposed to random dream imagery (whether self created or as part of a more encompassing dream plane). There are simply no tell tale indicators. I strongly suspect that this is also the case during OBEs and APs. So while I will readily admit that the ability to foresee the future Does exist it seems to be a random talent that comes and goes seemingly on a whim of chance.
Then again maybe a few select people HAVE learned how to predict the future with a high degree of accuracy (like Nostradamus with scrying, or with remote viewing or OBE or whatever) and these people are keeping the secret to themselves.  :wink:

Regards  8-)
Grey
#457
Hallo Lionheart.
Thanx for the encouraging words.
Regarding how often, about once a month or so. This year I had 12 or 13 OBEs, last year about 10 or 11.
I don't really consider those OBEs to be phase experiences. I don't follow either the Frank Kepler or the Michael Raduga method. I'm more old school (Oliver Fox, Sylvan Mulddon, et al).

Cheers  :-D
Grey
#458
Greetings everyone
Greetings all
As part of an effort to catch up on some things left unfinished this year I am posting some OBEs. Let's start with these two which happened this spring.

"Flying Disk"
Friday April 22, 2011 (OBE # 10
Was flying over an area west of the city (Pittsburgh). I stopped when a classical disk shaped 'flying saucer' went past a short distance away. The place where I landed had a small maintenance building in the middle of an empty lot.
As I walked over to this building and looked inside a window a woman came over to me. She was a 30-something white woman. She immediately said that she too had just seen a flying saucer. I then went inside the unlocked building to notice several small, 3 foot to 4 foot, models of the disk shaped craft inside.
The woman and I agreed that what we had seen outside was not a small scale model. We had both seen a large craft that was at least twenty to thirty feet in diameter and eight to ten feet high. I related to her some of the stories told by Bob Lazaar and others who had reportedly back engineered recovered alien space craft. She was impressed by this and admitted that had she not seen an actual flying disk she would not have believed that any of it was possible.
Our conversation was interrupted by a maintenance worker who approached the building. We tried to hide from him but this man soon saw the woman. He got angry so I took the woman outside and we left before he could do anything. The OBE ended only a minute or two later.
Notes. Time was between 10AM and 11AM. Duration was about 10 to 15 minutes. I lay on my right side. The location was either physical or a BST of this local area. There were many unfamiliar people around and I interacted with 2 discarnate persons. Deliberate (passive), Emotional, Flight, Starship, Pranayama (before), Meditation (before), Affirmations (before), Rope cargo net (before).


"Short City Flight"
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 (OBE # 109)
This OBE was quite short. It lasted only 3 or 4 minutes. I came to astral awareness while flying over an unfamiliar city. Actually it was over a main highway nearing the outskirts of the city.
Moving vehicles were everywhere and people could also be seen. My eyesight was actually quite good. For just a moment I thought it might be a lucid dream. Then I realized that it really was an OBE. One major difference is that I was not creating any objects or people. The location, the people and the vehicles all had an objective existence outside and apart from my own mind. Had this been a LD I would have created the scenery and dream characters. In this OBE I just observed what was already there.
The flight was quite short. I went about a mile and got into the city. It was daylight, fairly warm and partly sunny. Astral consciousness, while it lasted, was very clear and focused. The problem was that it did not last. Suddenly this ended as I reintegrated back in the physical body. After a modest and unsuccessful attempt at deliberately going out of body again I fell asleep.
Notes. Time was between 8:00 and 9:30 AM. Duration was less than 5 minutes. The location (was probably) a physical location - an unfamiliar American city. There were no familiar persons there though there were plenty of unfamiliar people about (all likely physical). Flight, Teleport, Acute sight, Pranayama (before), Meditation (before), Affirmations (before), Rope cargo net (before).

Thanx for reading. All comments and questions are welcomed.
Regards  8-)
Grey
#459
Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: First Time
December 15, 2011, 23:01:34
Greetings dave2005 and welcome.
What is shown on tv and in movies hardly ever truly represents what happens during OBEs and astral projection. So don't allow theatrical films to scare you from exploring when out of body (or in dreams either for that matter).
So there is no real reason to be afraid while flying when out of body or in a dream. It will help to gain more control over those flights though. And that will likely come from more experience.

Regards  :-)
Grey
#460
Welcome to Astral Chat! / AstralViewers Back up
December 15, 2011, 22:53:46
Greetings all
Just out of curiosity I checked back at www.astralviewers.com yesterday and found that the site is back up and running. Now I did not log in or try to post anything. Also it looks like a good chunk of posts are missing, one forum had a few posts in December and then went all the way back to MAY. So maybe they lost something somewhere. Yet the site IS back up.
btw after AV crashed a couple of months ago two new sites sprang up from the old members there. Those 2 sites are www.astralvoid.com and
www.obe-one.com
Three sites out of only One, woohoo  :-D

Cheers  :-)
Grey
#461
Greetings overhead and welcome.
It is but a relatively small step going from a partial projection to a full blown OBE. You are over half way there. Keep trying and good luck.
Cheers  :-)
Grey
#462
Welcome Gnome/Justin.
That portal is a gateway to other realms. If you are adventurous it will probably take you somewhere exotic and alien. That would be astral projection as opposed to going out of body in an OBE which normally happens in a familiar location (house, apartment, etc.)

Sincerely
Grey
#463
Darklon, a belated welcome.

Yes, I have read some of your posts. Though the "Welcome to Members Introduction" forum is merely a formality it is still a good idea to post here.
Getting out of body for most people is a trail and error step by step process. Stay with it until IT happens.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#464
Greetings Celestine and welcome.
I look forward to readings your posts in the forums here.

Regards  :-)
Grey
#465
Hallo cvgk
What Danny said. LOL
PLUS You can benefit by out of body experiences. Going out of body is really an ART that can be improved upon the more it is done. And fear is probably the biggest barrier to be overcome. Of course easier said than done.
Affirmations and prior intent are small steps. Yet everyone Must start somewhere. Each person is different (obviously) so affirmations and prior intent will be better for some people than for others. The trick is finding what works best for you. Ask questions and get ideas and then experiment. Try enough suggestions and eventually something WILL work leading to an improvement in the length, quantity and quality of your OBEs. Have patience and determination.  :-)

Good luck  8-)
Grey
#466
Greetings TMBtwix and welcome
About getting back Into the physical body after an OBE, well, that's the easy part (for most people including myself anyway). Usually if you stay in close proximity to the physical body when out of body then the physical body will exert a very strong pull and end the OBE. My biggest problem is normally getting out and staying out of the physical body. But the run and jump bit Was pretty funny. LOL  :-D

Regards   8-)
Grey
#467
Hallo wayne and welcome
A journal is Always a good idea, whether you are attempting to go out of body, are recording dreams or are practicing psychic skills. Here at Astral Pulse you can keep an online journal in the "Welcome to Dreaming" forum. That would probably be the best place to post any memorable dreams and lucid dreams that you'd like to share and any OBEs that occur. The best place to ask questions though are in the "Welcome to Out of Body Experiences" and "Welcome to Astral Projection" forums.

Regards  :-)
Grey
#468
Hallo United4ever
You asked
QuoteHey guys new here , isnt there some type of level 1 barreir around earths orbit that wont let soules incarnated on earth such as us humans goes past that barrier.

Yes, Robert Monroe wrote something about that (or something similar) in his books. If I remember correctly the barrier to incarnating on Earth was that a soul had to have all its past memories (of other lives) temporarily erased or suppressed before incarnating on Earth. Now I'm not sure I believe that is what actually happens yet it Would explain why most people need hypnosis to recall a past life.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#469
Greetings Tamara and welcome.
Yes, you did indeed have an OBE a few nights back. And actually your first OBE was quite dramatic as most people just float about inside their room during the first projection. (That's what I did btw.)
Also the ability to overcome resistance and pass through solid objects seems to vary from person to person. Some people are very good at it and others not so much. Personally I do have trouble going through walls so usually try to pass through a window instead.

Cheers  8-)
Grey
#470
majour ka, yoy wrote
QuoteCan some one go and have look at this place and report back  grin oh n watch out for the sucky crystal   

Yes, in fact that was what the CIA's remote viewing program was all about. This program ran back in the 1990's under various code names ("Stargate" was the best known code name.) CIA trained remote viewers would psychically spy on the Russians and other countries to try to learn classified secrets. ALSO, the remote viewers were told to RV the planet Mars and the Moon for Alien Spacecraft and other activities.
So if this CIA RV program is still in existence then no doubt somebody will soon be remote viewing several  possible habitable planets to see if life already exists there.

Regard  8-)
Grey
#471
Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Hello
December 04, 2011, 23:12:50
Hallo thegreenone
In addition to Noy's helpful link you might want to check some of the topics in the "Welcome to the Astral FAQ" forum. There's a lot of good info to be found there.

Cheers  :-)
Grey
#472
Greetings JS4KIKZ and welcome  :-)
Robert Monroe was a very talented writer. It's just too bad he didn't write a few more books.  :?
And yes, aren't emoticons great  :-D :lol: :wink:

Regards  8-)
Grey
#473
Hi Danny
The little gloomy girl was most probably non-physical.
She might have been
a) permanently discarnate (= a ghost or spirit) or
b) another OBEer/ astral traveler like yourself or
c) the consciousness of a person alive yet dreaming. The theory here is that sometimes people dreaming interact with those who are out of body as dreams are very similar to OBEs or
d) she could have been the creation of your own mind (= a thought elemental).
Any of these possibilities is equally plausible.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#474
Oops somehow there was a double post. The full post is below.

Grey
#475
Hi ICE.
Yes thanx for that link, I will check it out.
FYI Some of the old Astralviewers members started their own new site at www.Astralvoid.com
I am not a member there yet but plan to join soon. I have 'lurked' there for a week or so and the site is still small but is growing and looks promising.

Cheers  :-)
Grey