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"how does one achieve this degree of personal power[?]"

Like I said man - meditation, "know thyself" and if you have the will power, learn magick. The latter of those, if you get any good at it, can become a way of directly altering your mind, emotions, etc. The former is a way to still and settle the mind, calm it down, relieve tension and generally balance you out. "Know thyself" is a way to find yourself again, to watch and understand whats going on - thereby allowing new stretegies and methods to arise, and eventually a deeper appreciation for yourself and environment (eventually, it will foster kindness and a real love for yourself, and from there to other people).

all the best!

Rob

LOL. Just forget the lingo - go for the logic in it! You cannot understand the former without the latter - I mean, if you dont understand what the terms are doing, you wont be very good at holding their names right?
Is there anything in particular you want explained? My maths is a bit rusty but I'm going back into third year of mechanical engineering in a few weeks - we do a lot of maths, it really sucks [xx(]
Genius eh?? Lol shouldn't be a problem for you then!!!! []

Rob

You might be right in thinking that the afterlife is better but consider this - you incarnated, here, for a reason, so quit your whining and get to it!!!! Lol joke...but you get the idea. The physical might suck heavily at times, but there's still a purpose to it.

Beavis - you are leaving her *will* out of the equation. You might not have set beliefs but you still do what you "believe" to be right/best/whatever. Your will runs through a set channel. If you like, the process DK is talking about sound more like not knowing which channel to choose so they can do it for her. just my 2c...

Rob

Hey!!

Yes, what I was really looking for was the evidence which shows that we are in end times - ie are more people really prophesising? (sp...?). Personally, I have collected more than enough (from within and without), but I am ALWAYS on the look out for more!!
And Bible scholars believing we are in end times - also very interesting, I've seen hints that would indicate that but never heard it as clearly before. When I was in the Caribbean I found it very interesting that the Christian radio there was not hiding their beliefs on this, they were openly telling and discussing that we are in end times - they were so sure! And yet over here, in the West, no such talk around the standard types, and if you mention it you are labelled a lunatic (lol those people crack me up...). It seems there is a screen between these ideas and the average man - I guess its called "the media" aye....

cheers

Rob

http://www.paradigm-sys.com/cttart/ - articles section

Also I've got a load of scientifically controlled tests saved on my comp proving a) the existance of "chi" energy b) Its ability to affect lab measurements, in accordance with the will of a Chi Gong master. Done in a Chinese uni.

The problem is NOT a lack of data! Its how scientific publications systematically ignore it, and the general press laughs about it. Even Nature, that bastion of respectability, are guilty of this! They associate themselves with "The Amazing Randy" and send him on "verification" missions to check out paranormal/etc claims........well! I'll be damned if they never accept any. I wonder why??? Lol mups.....and then the scientists say there is no evidence (then "its not done by decent scientists" then "its not in peer-reviewed journals so I can ignore it" ppffft)

Rob

Hey guys,

Makes my heart bleed reading all the things you are saying. Hopefully I can shed a little light on the causes. I can only really speak from personal experience, and my experience has been as the obsessive/compulsive type, with a thick vein of insecurity, which IMO by definition must be related to other people. For me, all anxiety which displays outwardly comes first from an underlying level of anxiety which is always there within, although often seemingly undetectable (it caused my OCD). There are a few approaches - from the outside, and from the inside. But the former takes a lot of courage, and I cant say I know it works, and it is especially dependant upon the company you keep so we'll skip that. The latter, working on the inside to calm it, is the way I've gone, and is probably the most suitable here.
This sort of thing is intimitely linked to personal development, and the expansion of consciousness - a process which naturally leaves behind these things. So the best source of inspiration would be to look towards the individuals and organisations who have gone down this path (the mystic/magi/etc). It is generally accepted that the first rule before you can enter deeply into the mysteries is to fully understand the old axiom "know thyself" (which has primarily been my work to date). This should be understood as entirely as possible, that you should observe yourself as completely and as honestly as you can, until you get to know whats going on inside - eventually, you'll find yourself, and thats when the fun begins!
Another tool which helps a lot is meditation. This will help to calm your insides, produce peace, and is generally a *very* healthy thing to do to yourself. As you exercise to keep your body (externals) in shape, so we meditate to keep your mind and spirit (internals) in shape. Eventually, well hell, I cant say where you'll end up eventually, but I can say it'll be a better place than where you are right now!

And also, Nick is right, these things naturally calm as you get out of the teen years. Its a bumpy ride!

Oh, I'll mention quickly working on the outside, as this is obviously the quickest way to get things done - my biggest intro to all this stuff is "The Teachings of Don Carlos" by Victor Sanchez. Quote:
"...The stalker is a consummate practitioner who makes the everyday world a battleground in which every act, every interaction with fellow humans, forms part of the strategy.
Stalking is the strategic control of our own conduct. Its field of action is the interaction that takes place between human beings (warriors or not). Therefore the stalker, far from fleeing the social scene, immerses himself or herself in it, using it to temper the spirit, gain energy, and carry the self beyond the limits of personal history"
....<snip>....
"If we wish to trap prey, we must first observe it. We must silently percieve what the prey does in order to know its routines: where it eats, when and what time it sleeps, its movements, and so forth. If our observation is effective, we will become familiar with these routines, allowing us to later devise a trap against them"
- As you can see, its all about finding out our weaknesses through observation and then forcing ourselves to overcome them through action, one way or another. At least, thats how I see it For instance, I remember one example given in the book - a high flying businessman who took up selling papers on saturdays from streets corners to knock his ego down to size. Appropriate action formed through accurate observation of the problem.

Hope this helps in some way....

peace
Rob

ROFLMAO!!!

Awesome.....keep em coming!!

Rob

Cant let this by, it has some interesting ideas behing it.

quote:No. This is when two contradictory things appear to be true. It comes from two Greek words that mean "to seem" and "contrary to expectation." Look it up in the dictionary, it will tell you.

Not true. For instance, even a brief study of quantum mechanics would reveal the inherantly contradictory nature of the atomic world ie the "building blocks" (pfft..) of the world we live in (forget the highschool grade billiard ball model, its 99% BS). Eg, matter is both a particle and a wave - this is not just how it appears, but two ways in which atoms objectively act which are totally irreconcilable - empiracally proveable fact. Essentially, it IS true to say that things can be contradictory and true. This goes deep. The problem lies in the fact that the western world relies totally upon Aristotles 3 laws of logic - which, as has been discovered by both the mystic and the deeeeep physicists (both looking at the fundamentals of reality only using different tools), cannot account for all situations. This means that, a new law of logic is needed.....taadaaa!! (Scroll down to "2.  A Fundamental Correction to Classical Logic " since the link isn't working - although "SOME UNEXPLAINED MYSTERIES OF PHYSICS " is well worth reading too for some good contradictions)
http://www.cheniere.org/books/excalibur/PART%20TWO.htm
Either the first 3 are used (classic reality), or the 4th is used (the law of boundary conditions).
Well, I thought it was interesting!
Oh, and whether the contradictory facts are not contradictory upon a higher level, and it is only our limited consciousness that makes them appear so, is totally irrelevant to the current discussion. The fact is that to us they are contradictory, and we cannot therefore discredit things as untrue merely based on their apparently irreconcileable nature. ESPECIALLY when we talking about the nature of God and reality. It seems to me that the further away you get from the standard world of human experience (newtonian model), the stranger and more contradictory things also become.

quote:If you have anything of value to add to the discussion, feel free.

Your ill intentioned sarcasm grates almost as much as your limited and often faulty logic. Quit it.



What I find most amusing is the idea that you cannot get into heaven unless you accept Jesus is your Lord and Saviour. So, I guess God just created all those people who have lived the last couple of thousand years and never heard of Jesus, just for the hell of it, so he could laugh as he throws them into the fiery pit, right? Which makes God a racist. Ahhh......
Would it not be more logical to assume that all the people in Tibet, say, have other means of getting to God eg Tibetan Buddhism or the path they find beneath their own feet? To claim that most the worlds population for the last few thousand years is Damned because God didn't get Christianity there quickly enough is too ludicrous for words. It makes God incompetant, to boot!
Running away with illogic while forgetting simple facts like this is *not* healthy, IMO - "intellectual masturbation" I believe Mr Bruce once called it, and the phrase stuck []. The above alone proves, to my mind, that Christianity is not the one true religion. Therefore religion is unnecessary and there are many, many ways to God, and anyone who says otherwise is barking mad! IMHO lol....
To explain a little, even if God only created one person who didn't have access to one of His True Paths, and was therefore damned to eternal hellfire, that would make God an abomination which I cannot accept him to be. Although, just the very thought that God could sentence anyone to eternal hellfire, is a thought which makes me feel quite ill. I wouldn't want to know a God like that......

Last rant, and then I'll get off my soapbox! IMO its not a good idea to get too caught up in Dogma. There is a simple test to determine whether a religion is helping or hindering people to do Gods will (which is what this is all about, right?) - does it encourage its followers to be kind, generous, full of love and light, at peace with themselves and others, and generally help them to become Good (God) people? (balance). Or does it encourage a descent into cruelty, avarice, greed, sloth, murder and the unpleasnt side of human nature? (inbalance) To me, this is the only true measure of the relative worth of a religion. I'll let you figure out the statistics.......(of course, there will always be some bufoons who have the ability to pick and twist words to their liking, but thats humanity for you - burdened with collective sin, if you like)

Aho!

Rob

Hey Xander,

So so sorry to hear what you are going through, sounds really terrible.
Call me Captain Obvious, but you sound pretty overwhelemed by the things which are going on in and around you. In other words, you are like a young sapling trying to stand up to a hurricane. So, in my mind, one of the best things you can do to start with is to quiet all the winds, find yourself, and a little inner peace, quiet, and stability. Which means meditation - lots of meditation! After a while, you'll find spontaneous bursts of joy which just sparkle around you, its an incredible feeling (IMO this is caused by the mind collecting itself together, and differentiated sections integrating back into the whole - the feeling of joy is like how a wire being tightened suddenly comes into resonance with a sound, and vibrates to it - that is, your mind suddenly starts vibrating in harmony). But, its also likely that you'll go through some releases of emotion - I've never had this, but I have read it can be quite painful. No worries, it'll pass, and you'll come through much healthier for it!
Whatever, if you take up meditation, you'll find that the winds around you subside, and you'll start radiating from withing. You'll find an inner peace, and a tranquility that is just ecstatic. It'll help you cut yourself off from all emotionally brutal things going on around you - and give you a headstart when it comes to doing things like core image removal, and all types of practical stuff.
You might want to buy a decent book off amazon, or just cruise the net and see what you can pick up. Basically, just learning to quiet your mind is the first step (counting your breaths, keeping 100% focused on it to the exclusion of everything else).

"I bought roberts book, the day I did I could feel something around me that was extremely angry and I had total strangers walking up to me and treating me like garbage."

Yeah, negs dont like being disturbed....
Another good idea, if it is a neg thing (and by the sound of your mother, if she didn't have negs years ago, she's probably picked one up by now) - apply all the countermeasures in Roberts book. We just painted my room - below it all are a series of big pentegrams, crosses, sacred God names, and etc etc!! Needs quite a few layers to stop it showing through [].
So yeah, *every little bit help* - all your actions, what you watch on TV, your lifestyle, drink/drug use (including medication...), the food you eat, music you listen to - even the colour of your carpet! It is, obviously, quite a radical thing to try and get every little thing around you as positive and clean as possible, but applying simple countermeasures is easy enough, as is reducing your meat intake, and keeping a tidy house.

Hope this helps. Much love

Rob

ps you might also want to try taking some ORMUS products - see www.subtleenergies.com (info) and www.life-enthusiast.com (purchasing) or http://www.asc-alchemy.com/ (also purchasing but best to mail them - horrid site!)

I remember Red Elk, big native american indian bloke, talking about this subject matter. He was saying that there is a tradition with them that, if a truly deeply spiritual person ("love on a stick" is how I think he described them) died, they would leave his body out in a sacred circle for 3 or 5 days or something, and if he had not walked back in to camp by the end of that time, they'd bury him/her. He claims to have died once or twice already, no big deal. I dont see why it should not be possible.
Further I remember reading about a very spiritual Russian bloke, a Christian (I've been trying to find his name again for ages, no luck...), that when he died his body stayed rosy and fresh for over a week, and he looked like he was just sleeping. At the higher rates of vibration which the body will maintain after the soul has left, disease and decay organisms (lower, dirty enegy), will not be able to get a hold. My take, anyway!

Rob

Hey, could be anything! There's no need to jump to the conclusion that its an attacker though. Not all spirits are evil!! My advice, just go with it....

Rob

"and I cannot ever recall such a high number of people saying they've been attacked. "

We have a PSD section designed to help people in this situation, which is to the best of my knowledge unique, and further many people would not recognise what an attack is like, especially memories from when they were younger ("night terrors" - I have met people like this who had no idea what it was, and experienced it myself age 5). I once saw a documentary in a mental institution for teens, and it was quite clear to me the majority of them were not loony, but under serious psychic attack. I mean, it was BLATENT. But these kids were told they were "pschizophrenic" and etc etc. Which is what happens when people cannot accept/understand psychic attacks, they tend to end up blaming the victims, saying its their fault, they are ill, etc. (So, of course, these people were given the best psych help we have to offer, which totally failed to achieve anything - once again, YCYOR model falls flat on its face....)

"but curiously never the why"

Because thats an answered question. Negs survive on our energy or life force (chi/prana/etc). They connect to people at an early age (see "night terrors"), often going down family lines, and stick with them for life, spreading spiritual pollution, and generally making the lives of the victims miserable, while constantly feeding off them (I believe I can logically prove this from tests I have run). But this is not as important as how, as it doesnt really lead to any solutions.
Humans are different, they have their own crazy reasons.

"I doubt these or any other instuctions will be tested or used by these members"

I said, I've already done it.....and yes it does work to an extent, but its only a temporary measure, that is - it does not remove the root cause, it does not cut the connection to the neg. I have tried it on other people, and proved this to be true.

Are you at all interested in any of the evidence I can provide, or do your interests lie elsewhere?

"A conscious - elevation among this group would kill off this construct, and like all living things it would FIGHT BACK, because like all living things it carries the desire to live"

And I suppose you would be willing to help, right?......

To quote you "There are so many holes in what you just said I get a thumb cramp just thinking about it " - quite.

On another note, last night I was experimenting putting my point of awareness out of body and found that whenever I did this it simultaneously had to be accompanied by the creation of a point in my inner meta-space (mind-space). Very interesting.

Rob

ps Chaoite?



"The eye does not see what the mind does not know"

Bravo!!

Hey I should try that, tell a minister I have had prophetic dreams, see what happens.....hmmm....could be fun! Might have to try it in a skint church though, just to be safe [B)][]

But "This seem to strongly indicate the present day as verses 30 and 31 claims this to be the end time, or the last days as they are also called."

Why do you say that??? I dont know of any non-mystically inclined people who prophesy, but then again, then could just ignore it. Probably do, infact (muppits....)

Rob

"Mastering Astral Projection" - early 2004 - apparently its "quite some book!" []

Rob

Oi, I said the Joe Cell is an accumulator, which is a very very different kettle of fish from orgonite. You do know that, right? And yes, I am aware when reich was around, but I am also aware of when don and carol croft invented orgonite....are you?

"Address what issues?"
Most of them are in my previous posts, I cant be bothered to retype them. Eg variables in exorcisms, effects caused on my father due to my effecting a neg he knew nothing about and thinks is BS, etc etc on and on. Even giving me a proper explanation what thousands of poor indians have done/thought (all on mass I presume?) to cause an earthquake to kill them all. It does not work.

"it DOES work for me "
Fair play and I see that. But you have steadfast refused to answer my many points, still. Just read back...

Rob

Hey boomy!! Sound like you managed to squeeze some good info out of the q-link people!! Sheds some more light on what they are. Its so annoying when I cant get my teeth into the technological side of this stuff![}:)]

OOOoohh glad to hear you've got the Ally too now, yeah let us know how you get along!

Rob

"I want to thank you inguma for actually mentioning something relevant to what I posted."

Well hey thats OK. How very sweet of you. In return, you might want to address some of the issues I have flagged against the YCYOR model, instead of ignoring them hhuumm??

"Here's a suggestion. Instead of debating it, why don't some you actually make a powerwand and see if it works. Isn't that the only way you'll ever know - and if it works isn't it worth making an effort?"

Yeah, I'm already on it, thanks. But I think its fair to say I have already made devices which are extremely powerful, including one CB which was....souped up, to put it mildly. I already have enough experience to know what this stuff is, what its properties are, its limits, and etc. As for the other things you mentioned, I dont believe the Joe Cell has anything to do with orgonite (it was around a long time before the latter, for a start, though it is a form of accumulator, which is different, although of course you know that right....), or indeed steve gibbs (who I know practically nothing about). I might be wrong. Although both would help from its inclusion, of course. Oh yes, did I forget to say that its a general cleanser and mover of energy? Well yeah theres that too.

CM!!
"They emailed me with information from Egyptian magic. "
I think that was probably me [], although I had never read it.

"I have been made tough, well exactually I have been emotionless the last few months. I have started to laugh more and was even able to cry. sounds odd huh to not cry when you are attacked everyday?"
Well, kinda, but not really. I guess with all the energy drained from you, its difficult to really feel alive huh? Like taking too many drugs, or having a hangover, euch...

What does this guy want from you???!!?

"Funny thing is I gave myself up to being dead along time ago and it just hasn't happen yet. There are no tears for me just others. "

Thats so so terrible, so harsh. Yeah well, like Enderwiggin said, we DO believe in you! You might want to try and mail Romero again, he might help you still. The healer is helping though right?
I guess its hard to even learn magick when you are so drained.

all the best....

Rob

Ahh sweet you can read the lyrics for Life - Bush and Blair here http://www.peace-not-war.org/Music/Life/ AND listen to the song. Cant get better than that! I would post up the lyrics but they are uummmmm not suitable []

The idea of the Trinity, I think, comes come qabalah.
Imagine a point in space. This is God, the Father. The point extends and becomes a line, which represents all of known creation. The end point of this line is the physical world - the Holy Spirit (although IMO it should rightfully be The Mother but hey, that sounds like its admitting an important role for the women, and we cant be having with that! []). Right in the middle we'll put another point - at the fulcrum, the balance. This is the Son, the person who stands with one foot in the spiritual world and the other in the physical - perfectly adjusted between them. Neither one nor the other, neither both nor neither []. This again comes to the old idea of taking two seperate things, then combining them to create something which is more than that. Again, the imagery of the Son - his parents being God and physical matter (The Holy Spirit being an odd name to give, in my mind, sounds more yesodic but hey.....)
Well, thats how I see the trinity anyway! Its not really contradictory to have 3 things as one, when you think about it. Another analogue would be to say that an apple has a skin, a fleshy bit, and a core. Its still only one apple though.

Islam does seem to have a problem with the trinity. I was once accosted on the beach of Zanzibar ([]) by a nice but very zealous Islamic guy a couple of years older than me, who was trying to explain why Christianity did not worship one God. I get the impression that this is a line used by many an Islamic teacher to denounce Christianity? Well, even Hinduism seems to worship thousands of Gods, but they recognise them all to be one. And besides, if God is so vast, so huge, what does it matter if we give different names to his different features or qualities?

"Below is instructions for a simple instrument you can construct that can seriously injure or kill psychic attackers; though it can not be harm an innocent person or psychic in anyway"

If I may be so bold....orgonite is generally life-positive, and can be used to amplify intent/magick. Thats pretty much it.....
BTW - a friend of mine was getting some nasty nightmares from an attacking neg, I piled a fairly large whack of orgonite things (tb's, hhg's, etc) under her bed and the nightmares ceased.

"Full exorcisms? Well if thats what you think needs to happen, then I guess that what needs to happen"

OK, so what about the fact that some entities are easy to exorcise, and some almost impossible? What about the raging battles that go on in some cases for weeks, yet at other times an adept can raise his hand and release a person from full possession with one word? Is that all in the mind of the attacked, or the exorciser? Dont you think that these exorcists might have noticed that by now - many of them being some of the highest adepts on the planet?? You make it sound like its all your choice, yet that is not the case. A more powerful entity will be more difficult to dislodge, period. And removing deep psychic impressions takes more than ignoring them and wishful thinking.

Basically, I cannot mesh your theories to the evidence. You sound like an intelligent guy, maybe you just need more evidence. Hopefully you read RB's article/link I posted....

Rob

Hey yeah cool.

I think there can be a number of reasons for war though, dont think you can totally clamp it down to any one thing. Some people will go to war (old WW examples) to defend themselves and other people who deserve defending. Which is all well and good as long as it is not taken too far (ie what we have today, war because of the threat of a necessary defence.....poppycock...ahem....).

Or war with one group simply being full of greedy members and wanting what others have. Which is what Jilola was saying, I think. But I dunno, doesn't this still involve the "them and us" picture? Them worst so us/me better.

However, I think the biggest cause of war is specifically like you say, people perceiving "us and them" - ie that there is a real difference between them. From thousands of years ago, when it was percieved as OK to "kill the infidel/pagan/etc", to todays tone "kill the rag-head terrorist" (which, alas, creates a connection between "terrorism" and a race, extending into its OK to hurt the race to get a few terrorists).
Yeah, war thrives on duality, creating opposites - divide and conquer etc. Without making them different from us, it becomes pretty hard to think of a good reason to go in there and kill them all.

As Bill Hicks so put it "How are we gonna keep building nuclear weapons, once we realise that we're all one?? It would f**k up the economy!!"

LOL!!!!! Well, you make my job easier [] ehehe
Your experience, wow yeah, that made me smile...

Books I am reading at the moment - no, no free e-books (didn't read your post there, so probably not reading any of them anyway!). OK listed in order of amount of time I am spending with them:
"The Tao of Physics" - Fritjof Capra
"Meditation" - Kamalashila
"The Mystical Qabalah" - Dion Fortune (finally got it back of my mate after about a year with it in absence ggrr)
"Why Therapy Doesn't Work - and what we should do about it" - David Smail
also some randoms in various states of read-ness like "Excalibur Briefing" by Tom Bearden, "The Teachings of Don Carlos" by Victor Sanches, err probably some others []
Oh yeah and I am SLOWLY doing The Kybalion. I little mouse bites.
Quite a mix then!

"Voila! No more dry throat" - aaahhh, I dont think its quite that easy my man.......full exorcisms sound like pretty hefty affairs.
You nees to remember the depth - psychologically and energetically - of the connections these things create to your. They leave control mechanisms deeeep in your subconscious mind. They are STRONG, and won't give out without a fight.....

CM - damn, I was hoping to hear you had made some good progress []. Did you get very far with the egyptian stuff?? More importantly - did you manage to enlist any heavy duty help - Nita, Romero, etc?? Phew, you are gonna be one tough cookie when this is through.......anyway, I'll pray for you, for what its worth.....

laters guys

Rob

Go Veskooo!!!! Like it.

Personally, I would half agree thats its probably best, for some people, not to get too active and visible in their activities. But the people who are at greatest risk are like the zero point energy researchers, anti-grav, and etc. Quite a lot of them have been murdered - no exagerration, though I dont know if thats still going on today (Tom Bearden reckons they stopped that 15 years ago, but the researchers do still get a LOT of hassle). Other things tend to get you noticed pretty quickly - building a chembuster, for instance, is bound to attract a lot of attention (bwahaha). Then there are also people at lofty spiritual hights who get followed and etc big time.

Really, I think that the amount of attention you will recieve is directly proportional to the importance of the things you are doing and your visibility in doing it. Most spiritual people aren't that much of a threat IMO. Besides, even if you do get noticed, whats in the odd phone tap? They dont seem to actually DO anything to you, just collect info. It still sucks, but its not life threatening....

As for protests and etc - I think that, in todays climate, they are totally useless on anything except the minor issues. We had the biggest protests the world has ever seen against the Iraq invasion and what did they achieve? Diddlie-sqat!
IMO the Mararishi effect is probably one of the best ways to help the world, and its also one of the most hidden, and most accessible for spiritual people........

peace....

Rob

[REALLY]

Aho!

quote:Inguma, well you say it does not include God, well I disagree. Why don't you read: Awakened Imagination/the Search by Neville.

Because I have a LOT of other books I want to read first! Got ooh about 4 I am actively reading at the moment!
Now, let me guess, its argument is that God is a part of you? Or that the act of prayer is what is important?
Well, perhaps God is a part of you, but your higher self can still act independantly. And also, I have once had myself removed from a very very sticky situation that could quite easily have left me with serious physical injury, even killed me, but it would appear I was saved. I know another person who had this happen to him as a young child, totally inexplicable, totally spur of the moment and not prayed for. So it goes. I cannot put this into the popular model, but if that book can refute me - please explain!

quote:What do you mean piece together evidence for it? Where you out in the lab, calculating the astronomical cosmic ratios or something?

I try and only let myself believe in things if I have personal experience with them. Lol no cosmic ratios or anything, but looking back in hindsight and trying to fit cause and effect. In some cases my thoughts (even obsessively strong ones) have NOT fitted how reality turns out (kinda). Yes, they did draw things to me, but did not dictate how the future panned out. Basically, I cant find any link in my own experience, therefore I have to drop the model.

quote:My first test to see if it worked was: "hmmm, if what whatever I believe to be true will be manifested, then why don't I just blindly believe I some money!" and I did,

Very well, and hey thats quite cool. However! I do believe that you are taking your it too far. I never said that your mind cannot be used to manifest things around you - your experience shows it can, as does magick (which is essentially similar to what you are doing, only using sharper and more powerful tools). But its a huge jump to then conclude that everything around you is the creation of your own mind.
OK now, you have created things actively. Try this instead - pick random events after they have happened, and try and fit every single one of them to your own thoughts. Look at it in terms of probablities, not possibilities.

OK I'll give another example that, in my mind, disproves that negs are all mind creations. One night, totally out of the blue, I woke up at about 2-3 in the morning to see neg standing at the bottom of my bed. I thought it was my mum at first, but quickly realised that no, it wasn't. Heart starts racing a bit etc. After about 10 second it faded out, dematerialised and left (damnit! I should've hit the light switch and f****d it up!! lol oh well, maybe "next time"). I got up, turned on the lights, prayed, asked it to leave, prayed for it to be brought to the light should it be a disincarnate human spirit etc. After I still felt a presence, asked it to leave again, started doing (weak, I'm not very good) banishing rituals and etc etc. Blessed the room. Went and slept in another room.
Before that point, my Dad had been having a bad nights sleep. Waking up a lot, restless, etc. After I had seen it and annoyed it (got some telepathic signals back from it, not a happy bunny I can tell you, stuff like "F**k you God! F**k your God!" - angry evil tone), he had a REALLY bad nights sleep. Nightmares - including - the only one he really remembered (at least would tell me about) - one in which I became possessed (in his dream). - Note this is not unusual, whenever I do stuff to disrupt this things connection to me, the effect has to travel first through my Dad (think lines of force, from me, through him, to neg).
For the next couple of weeks, I was preeeetty scared I can tell you, at night time. That is, of the dark, always looking out in the pitch black room, seeing if it was there etc. But, no signs of it, nothing.

- First, what about the effect on my Dad? He had NO idea what was going on to me. Lol he nearly got up at one point to go sleep in the room I had moved to, damn! That would've freaked me out big time. Anyway the point is, he had effects - due to a neg, and indirectly due to me, that were not of his making in the least. Besides, he thinks all this is a load of garbage (the willfully blind...). Perhaps you can say "wheels within wheels, the whole universe fitting together, so that one persons effect slots perfectly into another persons reality" but I think that, if thats the case, then no human mind could percieve it anyway, so all we have to go by in channeled info which IMO is bunk - negs in angels clothing. However.....:
- Second, the neg showed once out the blue with no real thought of it on my part, but then did not show up again when, if the YCYOR model is correct, it should have done - ie when I was thinking about it a LOT.

And, I would like to repeat about RB's article - 9 month old babies coming under a demonic assault. Similarly, when I was 5, I came under pretty major psychic attack, and what hit me - I can assure you - did NOT come from me, or from the depths of my own subconscious mind, or anything like that. I was pure and innocent, what was shot at me was terrifying and awful. Ach. Inexplicable in the 100% YCYOR reality

Hope you get this in time!

Rob

ps CM why, and please reply you have me really curious, are you still ignoring me? Did I do something to evoke your anger?? Confused boy here seeks answer.....

pps Shadowdancer - WOW - great post man! I really should get round to reading this whole thread.....hmm......