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quote:Originally posted by zjrules

WHAT DO I DO.I GET HALF WAY INTO ASTRAL PROJECTION.SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME THE WAY YA'LL USE TO ASTRAL PROJECTION IN FULL DETAIL.

Did you even read what Tenacious wrote to you and follow his advice?

And as a form of ettiquete, could you please not type in ALL CAPS.  Not only does it look like you're shouting, but frankly, it just pisses me off.  []

Astral projection isn't just something you can "explain" to people.  You don't just tell someone who's 5 years old how to drive a car.  You have to learn the basics.  Do a search for astral techniques on this forum and check out the Free File Library.

Hey there Mustardseed,

I haven't really been following any of your arguments, so forgive me if my points of wisdom don't apply to you.  []

Basically, when I enter a discussion with anyone (whether it be politics, religion, etc.), there are a couple of things I keep in mind:

1) If someone says something I disagree with, I don't throw it back at them.  I pose questions to make them THINK about my side of things.

For example, if you argue that the world is flat, then instead of me saying, "Well, obviously you haven't studied enough", I could pose the question, "Let me ask you, if the world is flat, then how could an airplane fly around the earth and end up in the same spot?"

Simple example, but as you can see, I usually try and argue points strategically.  Arguments should be like a game of chess, not like a boxing match!

2) The most important point which a lot of people NEVER remember.  When you argue, you should ALWAYS have the mindset that "you could be wrong."  This is especially tough when you're arguing about religious convictions, because we hold those so dear to our heart.

However, to truly have a constructive exchange of different viewpoints, you must remind yourself that you could be wrong, and that you're willing to learn some things that you may have never learned before.

That is why, even though I have had 100+ OBE's within the last few years, I never try and profess to know a lot about them.  I may know how to do them, and what it feels like, and the rules of the astral environment, but at the same time, I have to concede that I could be wrong on a lot of things.  

With an attitude like that, it not only keeps me grounded, but it also allows me to learn things from newbies who I would otherwise not take advice from, because of my ego (ex. "Why should I listen to so-and-so, they've only had one OBE!"  There is always something to learn from everyone...even if that something you learn is what NOT to do, or what NOT to say to someone).

LeCosmic.....right on, man.  What a great feeling to overcome a dry spell.  I think the longest one I had was around 6 months, and believe me, you start to wonder if you'll ever get "out" again.

I'm proud of you, Cosmic.  Way to go, and I can't wait to read more of your astral travels.

quote:Originally posted by ralphm

Jeff, what exactly did you experience and do right after your heart chakra activated? That seems to be the point at which i and a lot of other people seem to get stuck at when we try to do concious obe's.

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I just remember that as my lower body started to feel like it was sinking into the bed (which was really the sensation of my astral body rising out of the physical body), I felt these vibrations spread upwards from my legs towards my head.  

As these vibrations moved up my body, the astral was disconnecting.  When it got to my chest, this was when I felt my heart chakra going crazy.

I can't really tell you what I did, except that I wasn't aware of it until it was happening.  Now when you say you get stuck at this point, do you mean that you separate but part of your astral body gets stuck in the physical body at the chest area?  Or are you saying that you don't yet reach the separation stage, and that all you feel is an active heart chakra?

One time i had a similar experience of ejecting and traveling at high speed and not seeing anything.

This happens to me 90% of the time.  Only within the last year or two have I been able to slow myself down and land on the ground so my vision could kick in.  I have never had any sort of vision when travelling at speeds more than 30 m.p.h. or so.

My experince today was of my body going numb and just a little bit of tingles, it was a lot less distracting than vibrations, got close to projecting but i noticed my stream of conciousness just going blank a couple of times instead of having dream images appear.

The numbness is a good sign, Ralph.  It seems to really be a bonus when you wake up after sleeping and find yourself in this state, only because your mind is still close to being in an astral/dream environment.

I think many times, newcomers are quick to prepare their body for a projection, but they have no idea what to do with their mind!  That is why I always say, a relaxed mind is better than a relaxed body.  If you can relax your mind, then your body will follow.

quote:Originally posted by Adrian
Excellent experience; thanks very much indeed for sharing it with us!

You're welcome Adrian.  I know that when I was first starting out and I wasn't able to have experiences of my own, I was hungry to read about the experiences of others.  It was almost like living the experience through their eyes.

So now that I am proficient enough to have these almost regularly, the least I can do is publish my accounts so that others may benefit from them. []

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Do you think you made it out of the "real-time zone"? That might have been why you didn't get as far as API which is in the Astral. Just a thought anyway.

That could be possible.  Although there were some incongruencies within the experience that made me think that perhaps I was in an astral counterpart of the RTZ.  

I remember when I was flying in the black void, I thought about something Brim said about how he gets to the API.  He said he imagines flying over the ocean, and from there, he then looks for the island.

Well, when I was flying in the blackness, I tried to envision myself flying over the ocean.  This is when I felt a spray of water against my legs.....but I think I started to get impatient with travelling so far with no vision and no forseeable end to my journey.  That is when I imagined myself just landing and I found myself next to the bed.

quote:Originally posted by topacio
Over the years, I have developed some phychic abilities but when it comes to OBE's everytime I try I end up falling asleep.

Falling asleep while trying to OBE can be a great thing.  Imagine that while you're preparing to have an OBE, that you're setting your body up for the experience.

Then, after you fall asleep, you may wake up in the middle of the night.  I always do.  When I wake up, I tell myself not to move, and just slowly relax.  The more I relax, the quicker the vibrations sweep over my body, and I'm able to project into the astral.

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I wonder if I could encounter my mom once I get out. And I would also like to visit my dad real-time. He now lives in his country. I would like to know if anyone has had the opportunity to speak to a loved one who has gone to the "other side" when they AP?

While it is possible to visit someone who has passed on to the other side while you're projecting, I have never done it.  I have talked with a lot of astral entities out there, but never anyone that I knew who had died previously.

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Also I am a little fearfull because I don't know what to expect. I'm sure that's part of going through the experience. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you - []

Being afraid is normal.  However, you must understand that you're only afraid of the unknown.  I have projected hundreds of times in the last 5 years, and I have never had anything which I encountered that would convince me to be afraid.  And those things which I was afraid if, I no longer am afraid of.

For example, the first time I started to fly, I reached a super, lightening fast speed where you feel like your face is about to rip off because of the G-force velocity!  I don't mean that to sound painful....it's just scary.....like riding a super fast roller coaster.

However, the more I experienced this, the more I told myself to just relax and trust that everything will be ok.  And now, when this happens to me, I am completely fine with it.

Bottom line, you'll never know what's out there until you try and see for yourself.  Keep OBE's on your mind by reading books or coming here to this forum, and continue to practice your OBE techniques.

And remember, don't move when you wake up in the middle of the night.  Just lay there, still, and start to imagine yourself melting into your bed.  You might be surprised at what happens!

If you think it's a third arm, then go to your parents.  I'm sure they are aware of any birth defects that you may have overlooked over the last 13 years of your life.

If it's something new growing there, then see a doctor.

If you only THINK there is something growing there and no one else can see it, then see a shrink.

quote:Originally posted by TorosDead
"righteous is he who seeith and believes, but blessed is he who believes and seeith not."

I believe that we have to put this scripture in perspective.  Jesus said these words to his disciples, who were with Him in the flesh.  They had the benefit of hearing him physically speak these words of enlightenment, and they got to SEE with their own eyes the miracles that He did (healing the sick, water into wine, walking on water, etc.)  

However, Jesus was saying, "Hey guys, you guys are pretty righteous for staying by my side and believing in me.  But you know something?  I'm going to have an even greater amount of appreciation to those who, after I leave this physical plane, still believe in me and follow me WITHOUT ever seeing me."

That's just the way I always looked at it.  I never take a scripture at face value without reading it in context to when it was said, and to whom it was said.

quote:Originally posted by T_Kman0610
ssjoku, dont you mean A.P? if not than what is A.T

Astral Travel?

quote:Originally posted by ssjoku

is there a astral calander??

Yes, hanging right next to my astral telephone in my astral kitchen.

quote:Originally posted by jason
lying on back=obe

lying on side=lucid dream

does anyone have this problem,or know of a way to be able to relax while lying on their back[?]

I'm not quite sure if you're saying that lying on your back is the ideal OBE position, or if you're saying that for YOU, in your experience, this is the only position to have an OBE.  So forgitve me if I misunderstand you.

You can have an OBE, AP, or LD in ANY position that you can get confortable in.  Why do I say this?  Because many people feel that if they are not on their back, they cannot have an OBE.  They get frustrated and eventually switch to another position, usually to fall fast asleep.

Here is what I do, because like you, I often find it difficult to fall asleep on my back.

First, start off on your back.  Stay here in this position for as long as you can, continually bringing yourself deeper and deeper into a relaxed state.  Any OBE-techniques that you use should be done here.

Eventually, you may find that you've reached an impass, where you can't get any deeper in this position.  So quite simply, you change positions!  Roll over on your side, or twist your back slightly to be lying partly on your back and partly on your side.

There is no such thing as breaking the OBE spell.  If you meditated and relaxed for 30 minutes on your back and then feel the need to switch positions, you do NOT start all the way back at square one.  Wherever your mindset was before you moved, it will only take a minute or two to get back there.

Often times, I try and get into a pre-OBE state on my back, then I get tired and roll over to sleep.  However, sometime after I lose consciousness, I will snap back to my full awareness and be able to have an OBE.

Hope that answers some questions you may have.

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quote:Originally posted by alt0xFF
Regarding that woman - she definitely gets the first prize in "the most horribly useless way to waste an OBE" [][B)] It literally made me whimper.

I'd have to disagree with you here (although you're certainly entitled to feel that way).  I have had many OBE's where I've done something trivial, like sitting on the floor next to my bed and just breathing the air.  And even THAT was a thrill.

It's easy to say, "When I get out, I'm not doing any of that crap!  I'm going to visit my girlfriend!"  Well, that may be so, but you would have to consider two things:

1) Your priorities may change once you're out.  You'd be surprised at how childlike you become in your thinking when you first start to project.

2) The things you may want to do while projecting may seem trivial and a waste of time to others.

I think the experience with the elderly woman who projected to her tree in the backyard sounds exciting, but that's perhaps because I soak up everything about the experience, and something as simple as looking at a tree in the astral is pretty mind-blowing.

quote:Originally posted by Rusty
Can you fly when your O.B.E.'ing and if so how.

Yes, of course you can fly when you're OBE.  You just think about flying and you will.  You're only limited by your mind and your thoughts.  If you don't believe you can do something, then you won't.

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I knew a elderly women who has had O.B.E's often and usually went outside to sit in her tree in her backyard. How does one's body interact with the environment?

I interact the exact same way as I do in the physical environment.  I walk, I touch things, I talk to people, etc.

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Can you walk through walls or float high up into the sky.

Yes to both.  Things even feel solid....unless I desire to walk through them, in which case, I feel myself pass through the object.

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Can you speed up the way in which you travel?

Yes, you can fly super-slow, or blazingly fast.

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How about thinking of places to go such as Egypt and then spontaneouly arriving there?

Yes, it's possible to travel anywhere, although unless you're extremely focused, you may find it hard to travel to a targeted place.  

For example, you may THINK you want to go to Egypt before you lay down to practice OBE's, but once you find yourself "out", you'd be surprised at how quick your priorities change!  There have been many times I TOLD myself I would do one thing when I projected, and then once I was out, I ended up doing something trivial like walking around my house.

No OBE is a boring OBE.  Even if you're just walking around your house, just knowing your outside the bounds of your physical body is enough to give anyone a rush.

Sounds like a case of dual-awareness, where you were conscious of both your astral body and your physical body at the same time.

I once read from somebody (perhaps Robert) that one time, they were projecting, and they were able to see their astral body from their physical body, and vice versa.  And then, when both of them looked into each others eyes, it produced a weird, infinity affect that made him feel nauseous.

I remember going there a few years ago, and I agree.  It's a great experience.  Just knowing that you're walking around the house just like ELvis did so may years ago is pretty trippy.

I thought it was especially cool how they left the house just the way it was when he lived there, all 70's looking.

The only thing I disagreed with on that page (I only skimmed it) is this paragraph:

Have someone in the room with you in case you need a lifeline.  A lifeline is someone you trust and who will sit quietly with you watching for signs that you may need help coming back, or who can gently awaken you to a normal state if you are panicking.

To me, it's statements like that which scare people into thinking that you may "never come back."  In all of my experiences, I have never had anything come against me which, in retrospect, made me come back saying, "Man, I wish I would have had someone near my physical body during that one!"

Of cours, I'm biased in my position, because like I said, I have never had a reason to be scared or "need a lifeline."

quote:Originally posted by ssjoku

the most coolest experience i had was 2 months ago i was hovering over my house all i seen was cords coming out from everyones house and going into the sky then i seen a redish black portal in the sky and white light was going into it.

Sounds like you had a cool experience.  Up until last week, one of my coolest (and somewhat scariest) experience was when I was hovering a couple miles above the surface of the moon.

However, last week, when attempting to project to the API, I had my longest and most coolest experience to date.  You can read it here:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7760

At the time of the experience, did you KNOW you were dreaming?  Or did you know you were wide awake?

This is usually how I determine the difference between an LD and an OBE/AP.  In one case, you're consciously aware that you're in a dream.  In the other, you're aware that you're not dreaming, and that you're indeed projecting.

About seeing people who are not physically there (in the case of your Aunt Jessica), this is very common.  I have often projected into rooms of my house and seen family members there who were not even in the house at the time.

The way I look at things like that, we're all multi-dimensional beings.  As a spiritual, energetic being, one facet of me is typing this response....another part of me is thinking about my childhood home and running aroung the kitchen.  So, if a friend were to OBE right now and try to contact me, they may either come into my office and see me typing, or they may see me running around my childhood home in the body of a small child.

quote:Originally posted by electricdreamer


Hi,
Sometimes I think I am awake and will try to go in the next room, say to get a glass of water-than I feel very heavy like I am walking with a wet blanket over me-when I am moving-everything appears as it should (my room, windows even the clock on the wall) than I feel something grab me by my neck! And I wake up in my bed!!! Was this an out of body-or am I out of my mind?

Well, if you're out of your mind, I must be friggin' insane.  It sounds to me like you had partial awareness during an OBE.  The more consciously aware you are at the time of the experience, the clearer and more detailed it will be.

There have been many projections of mine where, under other circumstances, I would have chalked them up to being "weird dreams" if I didn't have previous experience with these things.  It makes me wonder how many people out there have an OBE (or come close) and never realize it.

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What is the sensation of being choked?[!]

I couldn't say for sure, but perhaps it was the strong pull coming from your physical body close by which you interpreted to be a choking sensation.

It's been widely reported that the closer you are in proximity to your physical body, the greater attraction there is to suck you back in.

Granted, this doesn't happen all the time to everyone....but most of my OBE's, I've had to get at least 10-12 feet away from my physical body before I could move around freely.

quote:Originally posted by Quiet_Storm

Anyone have any useful techniques to help neck, shoulder, back and chest relaxation?

The only real tension I get is in my back, and I would just suggest some stretching before laying down.

quote:Originally posted by Zeke88

once im able to do this ill meet someone there ^_^

is it like our world cept with new images or is it like a whole new world?

::singing:: A whole new world....a new fantastic point of view. []

quote:Originally posted by Zeke88

Is it possible to meet other people on the astral plane?

Yes. []

quote:Originally posted by Zeke88

If astral projection is like walking in a fantasy world..

And lucid dreaming is controlling your dream..

Could they be the same thing or no?

Both are related.  The main difference is just a level of conscious awareness.  In a lucid dream, people are usually aware that they are dreaming, and that they're reacting within a dream environment.

With astral projection, people know that they are NOT dreaming, and that their body is in a different location then where they are right now.

Welcome to the board.  There are many people here who can help answer any questions you may have.  Happy posting.