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These have been good help to me:

http://astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?topic=23237.0

Faith isn't belief. It's what we know. When you're walking do you ever question that you might trip and fall? Do you think you're going to choke on food when you eat? Most likely you don't...

We only question the things which are mysteries to us--what we believe. Anyone who has good enough faith isn't going to question whether the astral plane or mystical experiences are real--because they are always experiencing them.

Modern Gnostic practitioners, for some years now, have been working on achieving enlightenment within the confines of everyday life. What people conceive enlightenment to be, presently, is perfection (or ideals of what perfect is).

From my experiences, enlightenment is not perfection (enlightened beings are far from perfect). Rather, they are absolutely structured in their own being. Meaning...they have no subversive tendencies to their own will and consciousness (not necessarily to their existence, as Yeshua was persecuted and many other enlightened beings of the past as well). Also, awakened being have different wills, different opinions and so forth (there is no perfect way to be

Let's consider the meaning of "subversive tendencies". Ingenerally, it means any inner resistances. Modern people loose consciousness all the time, whether they are severely injured, take drugs, etc.. Enlightened beings never loose consciousness (not even as they fall asleep and naturally leave their bodies to enter the astral plane each night (for those that have physical bodies)).

Also, there is no impediment to their will. Enlightened ones have been able to enter into other dimensions by sheer will, fly, making things appear, heal, etc..

Our subversive nature manifests within the confines of everyday life. At any given instant people loose control and become 'angry'. At another point it's common to become uncontrollably 'fearful' in response to a life situation. There are so many subversive tendencies which are an impediment to inner control--even those which are not emotions; they are qualities of human nature which one would not even slightly suspect. However, they are all removable natures, because they are the result of actual elements which exist in other dimensions (the subconscious resides in the astral plane and more). Some are various thoughts, mental activity, etc. which are coming from a multi-dimensional entity that also exists in the astral plane (the "demons" of the bible, which the vast majority of humanity has).

Yeshua (Jesus) once told a crowd of bystanders who were watching him cast demons out of two demon-possessed men: "you all have demons". These demons (from the other dimension, which I myself have seen) have gradually possessed us from past incarnations. They are reason why we can not remember; they are also reason for the vast social and economic issues which humanity encounters. They are the inside of the Pharisees' cup.

What I say here is said genuinely. We can not escape them if we try to escape our social issues: our family, job, eating, etc. because the parasites manifest in these events. They have always manifested in the events of daily life (which are the means by which they get their food--the energies from our multi-dimensional bodies).

I'll give an account of mine that I had from taking walks while working to get rid of these parasites. I had been walking for enormous periods of time daily, focusing on purging myself of them. On one of the later walks the senses, in an instant, became immediately clear, and the awareness expanded (whatever parasite it was that I had managed to get rid of at that instant was probably huge). I could then see things from over a mile away (which I couldn't see at first). Taking other walks and working on dissolving these things, I was able to even further expand the awareness (beyond the concept of human belief as to how powerful the senses can be). It was absolutely natural too (like the senses are supposed to be that way. I could smell things from a kilometer or more away, and psychic senses were also naturally developing (without having to exercise the chakras). Unfortunately, I had to stop the walks (it wasn't so good for my body), but I gained a lot from them.

Also, the walks were mainly an exercise for me becoming more aware of these parasites. In the day, in the events of daily life, I had to--from event to event--work on dissolving the parasites. In the events they are not so subtle as they are when we are alone (it is easier to see them, because they come out to feed around other people). Also, they have a telepathic connection (they are stimulated by the other peoples' parasites who are around us). They don't "trade thoughts" for this to happen. It works almost like pollenization. All of the flowers in one area all "bloom" at the same time. If you take one flower out, it might not bloom. The parasites have to come out to feed for us to see and get rid of them--we have to be around society.

When we fall asleep we leave the body and enter the astral. It's a natural process that occurs each time with sleep. Obviously, most people are not aware of it. It's possible to discover this by experimenting to try to remain conscious as the body falls asleep.

The influence in our consciousness in dreams (which take place in the astral plane) is the subconscious. Usually, in waking life we have many thoughts, do many things, and go many places. It has been said that dreams are a reflection of the true state of one's psyche.

In that case, the subconscious creates illusive scenes, sounds, etc. (mental activity) which took place in the day. The mental activity is much more visible in the astral plane, because the astral is where the embodiment of the subconscious resides. Therefore, daydreams, all of our daily thoughts, and all mental activity in the day effect our level of consciousness in the astral plane.

Then, we can see, if we are not so conscious in the astral and aware of the process of sleep, it is a result of not being so conscious in the physical plane (clusters of thoughts and lack in attention). I posted a topic about increasing awareness in another section of the forum:

http://astralpulse.com/forums/index.php/topic,23922.0.html

Maybe your being was helping you (a higher-dimensional part of it). This is all I can think of, because you had a gut-feeling it was you. In this dimension we see our body; then we also see a "double" of the body in the astral plane. We see an object in the astral, but it also is in the physical plane. Our being, too, is also in other dimensions. When my being speaks to me sometimes I feel as if it is me, but it is separate though. It is the form of me in another dimension.

In the astral try this. First jump in the air and fly. Then say: "Father, my real being, please take me somewhere to learn".

Either way works.

The mantra is from Samael Aun Weor. I recommended some books for spiritual development by him in the book review section of this forum. The mantra for astral projection can be found in his voice, but I also have it in my voice (which is newer and sounds more clear).

I'm just resurrecting this post because it has useful information.

Also, in a state of higher consciousness (which can result from mental equilbrium), the separation into the astral plane (falling asleep) takes place naturally. Then, we knowingly enter the astral plane.

Stillwater,

True, the state of the psyche has a tremendous effect on astral experiences. One key is getting to the inner stillness (mental equilibrium). The reason why I posted this method is because it not only causes astral projection, but is very proficient in triggering lucid dreams. It's honestly one of the best methods that I've tried and the only method which has worked daily with tremendous efforts. Considering the different mental and psychic cicumstances that may be encountered, the method can be done long enough to exaust the rigid mind. Therefore, the purpose is mental equilibrium. Some people are going to look at this post and think "oh no, this mantra is going to make us bananas". For them, they'll just have to give it a good try, daily practice, till they get to the aim of meditation (mental equilibrium). With the mental equilibrium, as a natural consequence temporary equilibrium of the psyche should follow. Then the peace and ecstatic state spreads throughout the body. With this, they can verify their temporary awakendness and complete conscious control.

loppoppy,

Your case sounds like there might have been something else involved other than the subconscious. It's difficult to tell, if not impossible; but the cause could well be a real entity.

http://astralpulse.com/forums/index.php/topic,2080.msg117814.html#msg117814

The voices are different. We might hear various screams: those of children, men, women, etc., which happen just before the separation from the body. Of course, there are not really men, women, boys, girls, and voices of strange creatures, etc., but they are actually the subconscious. This, in a demented kind of way, is the subconscious anomalies' way of expressing its desire not to be pulled away from the body. The subconscious is explained in various esoteric sacred texts. It is called psychic adjuncts, selves, egos, demons, etc..

As a kid I was aware of their manifestation in me and that I didn't have complete conscious control. With them removed we gain higher consciousness and lucidity. In this case, in the astral dream scenes will begin to go away and we see more of the real environment; it will also have a visible effect on the senses in the physical plane (waking life). I suppose, this "higher consciousness" might explain the reason why in ancient times the reduction of the subconscious was called "enlightenment". Of course, people take enlightenment now to mean knowledge; but I know one place which seems to favor this concept. At that place enlightenment is "Illumination"--the increasing of essences (the light and particles of the soul). Whereas the subconscious--that which is bellow the level of consciousness--are the "devil" and "demons" in the bible (there are many of these astral parasites).

There might definately be repurcusions for suicide. For one thing, it's unnatural and the person who does it does not only affect their-self, but they affect others in various ways. You could even say the universe, the world, everything is connected and exists under laws. In complex math whenever you make a mistake sometimes you have to go back several steps just to correct it. Some math problems take about half a page to do. Imagine the universe as a complex math problem (though it might not be). When a mistake occurs there is an enormous amount of effort in things that have to be done to correct the problem. So, commiting suicide can be considered a mistake in the math. Then the person who's doing the math has to go back, review the mistake, and do what's neccessary to try to get it not to happen again. Also, there are such people who try to help people develop spiritually, to correct their faults, and learn to live happy lives. These are the beings with awakened consciousness (angels, spiritual masters, whatever you wanna call them)...Although, not everyone with an awakened consciousness has achieved the angelic level.

When a kid does something bad (yet knows no better) what does the parent do? Are they going to let the habit develop in the child untill it consumes them and they ultimately live retched and terrible lives? Or, are they going to do what they think it takes to get the child to learn to correct the mistake (because the child must learn the mistake for their-self)?

http://astralpulse.com/forums/index.php/topic,23906.0.html

Well, a lot people spend years trying to get into the astral. Some people get into the astral almost immediately, or after weeks. What all of these people will probably tell you is that there is no "easy way". There are certain methods though that work better than others. Some good advice with trying to get into the astral, too, is not mixing methods. Mixing methods results often in unsuccess. Some people spend hours a night trying astral projection, using many methods. The result is usually no success, or success every now and then. I, and some others I'm sure, spend hours a night on simply one technique, and can get into the astral that same night.

I posted one such technique to get into the astral in the forums (THE method). It seems to be getting more attention than it did whenever I first posted it (months ago). It doesn't work immediately. Although, when it's done daily for a long amount of time, it works and even begins to work every time it's used, even causing lucid dreams.

A good fact to keep in mind is that there are many things that can be learned in the astral. You could ask your being (the creator of your being) to take you somewhere to learn. Just say something like, "My real being, father, please take me somewhere to learn".

Well, most of the time when I astral project now, I project without any sensations. My astral body simply naturally separates from the physical one. There are things I have to do though to get consciously into the transition of sleep (mantras). I think the reason why all the abnormal sensations happen is because the person in the process of separation is doing things which are causing reactions in the physical body--with the physical body partially awake there is resistance in the separation of the bodies.

I have been in the astral plane and traveling along fine in the astral body. Then whenever I did something that is a property of the physical body I was pulled back to it. In that case, I began to use the brain--which exists in the physical body.

What helps sometimes to maintain a stay in the astral is to grab ahold of an object or to focus on being more aware there (so that the attention momentarily shifts back to the astral body).

I'm still not sure what people mean by the RTZ. I have even heard people mention the etheric plane. However, what I've heard is that the etheric plane is the 4th dimension, with the vital body (the astral plane being the 5th). If that's so, then from a minute amount of experience I have, the physical body is needed to enter the etheric plane--there is no etheric projection, simply etheric departure.

We'll a good way to get past the fears is experience. With experience of the astral plane you begin to realize more that you can't be harmed and that the most any real entity can do there is try to scare you. With the wandering thoughts, and vastly sized subconscious, there are ways to reduce it and to increase consciousness--even consciousness in the physical plane (waking life).

The increasing of consciousness is enlightenment. Very few people have 100% consciousness (no subconscious). These people are always aware in the astral plane. Some people are more conscious in the astral than normal people but just can't remember all or most of their astral experiences.

Cosmic_Ambitions,

From what I've heard, some transitions to physical death are actually kind of like a relief. Standing out in the hot sun for a great amount of time many of us begin to feel exausted. Then whenever we go into a cool air-conditioned building it's almost as if our vitality is restored. I've heard that the most gruesome and terrible deaths have resulted in the most blissfull and peace-fillled experiences. Not to say that a suicide would experience the same. From some peoples' accounts the level of consciousness is actually heightened from that instant.

This is very vague account. I'll put it here though to supplement the topic and add a little sense. In one of my past lives I was stabbed in the chest. I died, a little happy, not even grieving for my death.

It's not really pronounced like how it's spelled, with accent mark and all. I know a place where to get a sound file of the mantra from it's creator. Also, you can get it in my voice (which sounds different).

We'll, some of the noises are actually sounds coming from the astral body in the separation process.

The voices, sometimes scene images, etc. are called hypnogogs--which are simply illusive creations of the subconscious.

Astral projection is conscious sleep. So, as we sleep we enter the astral plane. This process happens every time we sleep. The forgetting of the experience relates somehow to certain transactors which send information between the astral and physical planes.

I've been to another dimension with the physical body (this one). Then, whenever I came back to the physical plane, my memories were clear and concrete. Astral memories are different, because the memories have to move between the astral body and this one.

Relating back to illusive subconscious-creations, these are actually dreams forming just before we enter the astral plane. Sometimes they seem to become full-fledged just before we enter the astral (if we can remember). That's the reason why so many strange, inexplicable things, are usually happening in the astral.

Although, the astral does have different laws--accounting for the ability to fly and for solid objects to pass through one another.

http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/reference/dict_en_es/entry?lb=e&p=num%3As10315

[THE AWARENESS OF THE PRESENT MOMENT]

This was going to be a part of a book that I'm writing. It's been sitting around getting rusty. So, I decided to post it here:

THE AWARENESS OF THE PRESENT MOMENT   

This instant, I will ask you, the reader, to come to awareness of the physical senses. You must "wake up", because you sleep. Do you wander, what does he mean by I sleep?

I will explain my statement. Are you aware of the sound of the clock ticking  near you? Do you see your hands as you are reading this book? Or, do you feel that your foot is touching the carpet under it?

The common human being only has a selective span of attention (they are not aware of every stimulus that comes to their senses). Beings with an awakened consciousness are different. While they are walking they are also seeing every tree which lies before them.  They are feeling their foot touch the ground every step that they take. Or smelling the beautiful smell of flowers which they pass.

What is it that you are not seeing? What is it that you are not hearing? To wake up we should be seeing and hearing not only that that we ordinarily see and hear, but those things of which we are not ordinarily conscious of.
   
'See' the words that are in front of you. At this instant you might wander, what now does he mean by 'see'?
   
Again, I will explain. Everything that we perceive through the 5 senses of external perception is made up of various smaller details--those of which the common human being does not pay attention to, or merely overlooks. Observe these smaller details.
   
When looking at the wall, we should also be looking at the patterns on it. When observing two objects we should as well be observing whatever lies between them. If we are observing two chairs at any given instant, we should not only be examining the patterns on them but as well be paying attention to the table that lies between them. When listening to  music we should also be 'hearing' the tiny crackles and pops that the radio is emitting. The more that is perceived through the 5 senses, the better, and the stronger overall consciousness will strengthen.
   
The second foundation upon which we sleep is that known as the dream. While observing the world around ourselves through the five senses we might find that we are thinking about something that is different from the awareness. When this happens we might no longer be seeing the fan which is just to the left before our eyes. Instead, we are giving an imaginary speech in our head to a crowd full of people, though we might still be aware of the book that is before our eyes, or a portrait on the wall (awareness has been lost of the fan, or the sound of the ticking clock).
   
"Dreams" are involuntary, sub-conscious creations. They do not occur by our will but take place below our level of awareness. A dream is any thought, mental sound, or image, that takes us away from the attention through the outer senses of perception. We must 'wake up' from our dreams in the day, by means of heightened awareness through the outer senses of the present moment.

(I might add more to this later)

I've tried many other techniques, and even other mantras for astral projection. Faraon worked among the best, and it worked time and time again.

I've tried relaxing my muscles before using mantras and other methods, but it just doesn't seem to work.

Mitch,

It's possible to learn to trill an R. It's not too hard.

From my experience, astral projection doesn't come easy. Some people spend up to several hours daily just trying to achieve a single split.

What a lot of people want to know is, what is "the key"? What is the quick-solution for astral projection. At times many even believe that they have discovered the quick solution. One night a certain technique might have worked wonders. The disappointment comes the following night, after the technique has already been posted on some random forum throughout the web, and the self-same person tries it again.

What happens? Why does the "quick-fix" not work again? The answer often lies in the particular circumstances that we were in at the moment of success...
It is not uncommon to receive aid from more spiritually-advanced beings in the astral who see those who are making good efforts and desire to achieve a conscious astral split.

Unfortunately, at this point the self-same person has already disseminated the method to some random forum throughout the web. Many people do this. There then become many random methods that either do not work at all, or that only work from time to time. Then people look at other methods (after being engrossed in the vast array of techniques that have gotten them no where); these very few other methods are given little attention. The unfortunate side to this story is that such methods, these others which I'm referring to, are the ones that actually work and which build with continuous use (though limitations they might have).

Few people are fortunate to come across these methods. I posted one such method, which I'm sure works marvelously, in this forum. It's very simple. So, perhaps for that reason it was given especially even less attention. I didn't make it up myself, but I've tried it numerous times with success.

I used to say mantras for up to hours a day while going to bed and before bed. I've tried random mantras and techniques for astral projection. The one that is posted in this forum actually works, when used long enough (with no other methods to deplete its effects). In other words, it works when used continuously, for a great amount of time and daily practice, when not mixed with other methods--which can have the affect of reducing or completely preventing all or any results.

I hope all who are interested in astral projection give it a sincere try. I hate to see such a method left in the dust.  Imagine...what could come of it if many people tried this, figured out it really does work, and began a daily discipline. An "authentic" method could arise and spread. Imagine what will happen if no one tries it. It will just be one of those few genuine gems which are left in the dust, obscured by the various methods throughout the web.

I also do understand that it might be possible that some things that work for some people might not work for others. However, having worked with other people and having at least a slight  glimpse of  knowledge of their experiences, and the experiences they have gained from certain methods, I can say honestly that we are all very similar; and, perhaps, undergoing similar circumstances. I have even been able to see that a groups' experiences reflects that of a single person. Whenever one person is doing bad, the rest of the groups seems to be doing so as well, and vice-versa; just as whenever one person is sick with a virus, many other people within the same city can often be found with the same sickness.

It seems strange, but there does seem to be an over-all current of astral and metaphysical experiences within groups. Perhaps, if the group would make supreme efforts, each single person might experience wonders...
Just an idea.

The mantra is as follows. I'm borrowing it from one of my previous posts:

I typically find that the sensations are at the most extreme when the physical body is unrelaxed. Sometimes there are spontaneous astral projection experiences, in which the body is unrelaxed (not completely prepared for sleep). Of course, the body relaxes naturally through sleep. The key is to learn to stay awake as the body goes to sleep. A mantra (a phrase that is said repeatedly) can help to do that.

Mantra FA-RA-ON

Mantra - A phrase that is ordinarily spoken prolonged to produce specific effects.

Pronunciation:

FA (as in far)

RA (as in far); the R is trilled

ON (as in stone)

1. Sit or lay down in a comfortable position to prepare for sleep.

2. Inhale. Upon exhaling [mentally] chant the phrase FA, prolonging it: FAAAAAAA

3. Again inhale. Upon exhaling [mentally] chant the phrase RRRAAAAA

4. Once more inhale. Upon exhaling [mentally] chant the phrase OOOOOONNNN

5. Say the mantra on and on continuously, for what feels like about an hour, two, or more. The application of the mantra improves with practice. It also has the effect of stimulating lucid experiences in the night.

FAAAAAAA...
RRRRAAAAAA...
OOOOOONNNN...

FAAAAAAA...
RRRRAAAAAA...
OOOOOONNNN...

FAAAAAAA...
RRRRAAAAAA...
OOOOOONNNN...

Note: Astral projection can be learned quickly with the application of mantras, though they have to be said generally for a good interval of time. In truth, the only true way to learn to astral projection is by astral projecting every day.

(pm me for a sound file of the mantra)

Good will to All!

I get some of the same things sometimes. Usually it's not limited to one body part. What I do then is just continue to remain still until the body is completely asleep.

The sleep trick is simpler than anything else, and in my opinion more worthwhile (because we leave the body every time we sleep). Anything else might be a waste of time (though other techniques might work quickly). We are trying to get to the root of the problem--to learn to fall asleep consciously and discover why we don't.

You could try saying a mantra while going to sleep. I used to say mantras and astral projected a lot from them:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=193568#193568

I've had some astral experiences (being out of body) in which I could still feel my body. Flashing and altering images (scenes) just before sleep are usually associated with hypnogogic hallucinations. It is surprising how many intricate details the subconscious can fabricate to make seem real and genuine...

I don't think the position matters to much. What is important is that sleep is achieved, while remaining conscious. Personally, I wouldn't sleep on the stomach though, as I've had negative experiences relating to it.