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My vision is hazy a lot when in the RTZ when first exiting and it's pretty annoying.  I don't have a dependable solution but what I like to do that seems to work pretty well is to try and stop actually "looking" and instead start "seeing" what I can.  It's the difference between struggling to get your vision and just letting the vision happen on it's own by being very passive but very observant.  Sometimes what happens is that there is actually things to see in your field of vision, but it's easy to choose to ignore them and this can lead to you being completely visionless.  Like a mental block.  A simple suggestion to yourself like "Stop looking and just see" will open a narrow hole of vision that will widen as you relax more.  Sometimes just looking at random noise in your field of vision and really taking note of it will expand your vision and make things start to appear.  

As far as the difficulty in exiting right after vibrations:  Try this and see if it works for you.  As soon as the vibrations come, then really get into the spirit of things such as immediately tell yourself, "Yes!! it's here, now lets just go with the flow baby and let it happen".  I never push it because that can break the vibrations.  Instead I always let it happen by itself but I do a great deal of mental "persuasion" usually just in the form of psyching myself up to the wonderful trip that is about to happen.  

The "Wind":  I like to call this the "Magnetic Wind" because it feels to me more like something that attracts me like a magnet while still having that feeling of a gentle breeze on my skin.  Depending on this wind is a really great way to get around quickly.

A little about me and them I'm looking forward to diving into some of the discussions.  First off, I'm glad I found this place.  I see by the number of members that I'm not the only one!  As I mentioned in my previous post I contributed quite a bit to the alt.out-of-body newsgroup many years ago for a number of years which was a great experience and I had an opportunity to meet many wonderful astral travelers.  I hope some of you here recognize me and say hello.  

I've been having OBEs since I was about 21 which was decades ago.   and I've had several hundred projections since then.  I've had a number of really intense, long, fantastic trips, a few of which I've documented and I'll share some of my favorites with you when I can.

I can certainly say that these experiences have totally changed my view of reality and the meaning of life.  I feel totally blessed that I've been given this "gift" although I do believe that anyone can develop this ability, just some more easily than others.  

Let's see, what else....I find it most easy to have an OBE early in the morning, and especially if I happen to wake up in the middle of the night, read (about astral projection of course), sometimes have a cup of coffee, then go back to bed.  The combination of waking my mind up (both with the coffee and by reading) seems to be a good combination and being in the middle of the night, my body will fall asleep, leaving my mind awake and giving me a good shot at an OBE.  I usually depend on the "vibes" to guide me into a projection and certainly I always listen for the sound of the wind in my ears which always proceeds the vibrations and use that as my first indicator to move into the best mental place so an OBE can happen easily.  

If anyone has any questions about my method, feel free to ask and I'll answer as best I can.

Happy traveling.

Ken ("The Original Ken" from alt.out-of-body)

If the astral is defined by whims and fancies of the astral traveler, then that holds true for every astral traveler that might be tooling around in the same realm as you. This would make the astral environment morph as quickly as the whims of every traveler that happens to be there. On the surface it looks like it's the astral realm that is dynamic and not the astral travelers, but I think it may be quite the opposite. It might just be that the very fact that the astral traveler, which you could say is pure consciousness and not connected to reality as we know it in any way is the very reason that the astral realm is as dynamic and boundless as it is.

So basically, who ever has the greater concentration or focus at the moment is the "Lord of the realm".  We see his/her consciousness.

I buy that. Since we are nothing more than brief travelers through the astral, we get a glimpse of everyone's thought patterns at any given moment. This probably explains why we switch from scene to scene while in the zone.

Yes, but also keep in mind that it might be possible our (the UC) existence in waking reality not only molds waking reality, but simultaneously molds the astral plane as well.  So if there's an earthquake on the astral, in might just be someone sneezing in waking reality.  

Ken

I'll tell you how I look at it. The reason we are here in the physical is so our consciousness can construct our reality in the astral, or spiritual realm. We take with us when we die (and project) a recording of everything that we have ever experienced here. Otherwise, we would have to imagine everything and the spiritual realm would be nothing but gobbledygook!

That's interesting you say that, because I agree with you.  If this were not the case then pre-reality consciousness and post-reality consciousness would be the same, like you said, gobbledygook.  Almost as if reality is the training we need to use our "boundless" mind to do useful things such as the things we create in the astral.

I consider the spiritual realm a type of holograph that is made up of all the experiences of every living creature since the dawn of time. We have unlimited access to this information in the astral, the only problem is we don't yet have the full ability to control what we want to see. Only the souls that pass are privy to this ability.

Of course, this is all conjecture and theory on my part but I believe I have taped into the spiritual realm, well enough to get a glimpse of the picture.

IMHO.

It's a good theory.  It's like an astral dog couldn't exist unless a real dog existed as the "template" for an astral dog.  That's probably why the astral plane reflects reality so closely.  

First there was the UC without a clue and nothing to do
Then reality came about because of it, and the UC learned from it
Then became free to roam the "zone", ah but this time not alone.

Ken

Hello everyone.  I've been lurking for a few months and thought I'd make myself visible.  I used to post in the alt.out-of-body NG many years ago for a long time (around the time of Gunnar-of-the-Glacier for any of you that might have been there at that time).  I'm an experienced astral traveler, and I'll go into more of that later when I have more time, but right now, I was reading some posts and an idea struck me that I wanted to present.  

Before I preset the idea, I have to first preset what I believe or it won't make sense.  I believe in guided evolution, i.e.  Darwinian evolution that is guided by the Universal Consciousness.  Normally this would be called God, but my belief differs in that I think evolution and the awareness of the UC were simultaneous events, sort of a tit for tat kind of thing where the more conscious the universe became the more reality would manifest itself in order to develop this consciousness.  I guess this is a roundabout way of saying, "I can't see if I don't have an eye, and I can't have an eye if I haven't a clue what sight is."

Like many here, I sometimes think that the astral is a wide open place without bounds, and well, I still believe that, but something struck me today and that is the reason for this post.  

It occurred to me that reality might very well be the ideal and perfect tool for a universal consciousness to manifest itself fully, not partially, but fully and may be an end in itself.  One characteristic of reality that is not present in any other state (such as the astral plane) is that it is bound (mostly by the laws of physics) and is universal in nature.  That is to say it is experienced pretty much the same way for everyone.  Before reality these things did not exist, and again on the astral plane these things become boundless.

I was just reading another thread where someone described 3 men in red uniforms and something like a carnival going on just outside her window.  I've been to many carnivals like this so it caught my attention.  One thing about these carnivals or in fact about anything that goes on in the astral is that things change around you all the time, people come and go, places come and go, scenes change constantly and so on and this is what gives the astral traveler the sense that the astral plane is so boundless in such a magnificiently spiritual way.  And that's when it hit me.

If the astral is defined by whims and fancies of the astral traveler, then that holds true for every astral traveler that might be tooling around in the same realm as you.  This would make the astral environment morph as quickly as the whims of every traveler that happens to be there.  On the surface it looks like it's the astral realm that is dynamic and not the astral travelers, but I think it may be quite the opposite.  It might just be that the very fact that the astral traveler, which you could say is pure consciousness and not connected to reality as we know it in any way is the very reason that the astral realm is as dynamic and boundless as it is.

I'm not sure if I'm making my point, so let me put this another way.  One of the things that makes reality so real is that reality is something that binds the utter boundlessness of the consciousness and it is this binding that allows a reality to become the great thing that it is.  If the consciousness can't be bound, then reality cannot take place, instead it manifests more like the astral that we are familiar with.  Since evolution is the tool that the universal consciousness used to manifest itself into something it could understand, something that could allow self reflection, I think it's important to keep that in mind when comparing the value of reality to the value of the astral and in trying to determine which one is greater.  Sometimes this is hard to do because "the grass is always greener on the other side" and we all strive so hard to get to the astral and savor it when we do.  We love to fly and we love to smell the beautiful scent of the exotic flowers and to meet so many interesting fellow astral travelers, but maybe reality is the REAL holy grail.

Just one more thing.  Since I'm putting so much value on reality here it becomes a little scary because of the "what happens when I die" thing.  I don't have a problem with that because I think that reality will always be with us, even after we die, and the astral may very well not be the place we go too permanently, but rather always remains the playground of the mind for all eternity.  There, feel better?  

Ken ("The Original Ken" on alt.out-of-body)