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different methods work for different people, experiment with each one, see what part of each method works for you and doesnt work for you and sort of create your own custom method that helps you the most. No harm in trying them out aye you never know =).
The method i used when i first astral projected was the method where you shift your conciousness to a point in front of you, i forget who exactly thought up that method but yeah =P. This takes up a lot of energy to accomplish though and can be difficult to do more then once without a few days meditation and rest, but you can give it a go and see how it works for you =) it might work out to be easier for you and require less effort.

As for meeting your friend in the astral, this is something you should both think about once you have managed to project a few times and can maintain your projection without falling into an astral pool. it can be difficult to project and view the physical world with an imbalanced mind as stray thoughts can lead to the creation of an astral pool and you will not be seeing physical "reality" anymore.
If you want to meet i suggest that the more accomplished projector of the two of you meets the other outside their body so that you will find eachother as soon as you have both projected.
I have done this many times before with my friend =)

don't lose that dedication! it is key to entering the astral, if you don't go at every attempt like you are determined to get there, then sensations are the best your gonna get =).

Experiment, have fun, good luck and let us know how things develop!

If that's how you judge it.

was that in relation to my answer on the difference between good and evil? in that case fair enough the differences can be judged many ways but that way fits for me..
or was it in relation to a firefighter saving someone being good and a rapist or a man massacring a group of children being evil? coz if anyone has differing judgments on that then they're screwed..

maybe it is because through your attempts you had conditioned your mind to go through the projection process.
My advice for getting this to happen again would be to triple check that your body is fully relaxed then carry out your chosen method but don't EXPECT results, don't find yourself trying to hard to achieve results, there is such a thing as focusing too much! it requires too much brain activity. Just do what you gotta do for as long as you see fit and see what happens. If that doesn't work and you still get nothing you could try another method of projection and see if that works better for you =)

it's such a shame that beginners freak out when they get SO CLOSE! haha it makes me laugh, i was exactly the same, i think everyone is, if we didn't have that fear there'd be a lot more of us projecting these days =). keep at it your doing better then i did when i first started =)

like many exit symptoms that people worry about on this forum, this is another one that can occur during a projection attempt and is nothing to worry about =). The advice i can give is if you feel it again don't let it distract you and continue to relax and focus or like steel hawk suggested while i was typing this response attempt to control it so it does not continue to bother you or distract you. your doing well =).

One reason for these strong exit symptoms may be because you have not properly opened your chakras and it is making it more difficult for your astral body to be released hence the strong sensation. I assume you know what chakras are and such..?

on a side note a simple way to answer if it was because you were panicking or not is if you thought you were panicking or worried about anything whilst this was happening =)

yes but without these things infinity would still not be boring, whereas an endless road would be =) heehee

hahaha because it depicts a man surrounded by flames you assume it's hell? haha i like that.. Naa thats not what it is, it's just a man, surrounded by flames =)

wow i created this topic ages ago...and i have some new thoughts on it! =)

say someone massacred a group of school children with a butcher knife just because they felt like it and thought it would be fun!! that is unquestionably evil...even the person doing it knows it's evil, but he doesn't care! because he is evil!
you can't say that anyone would percieve that as good. Good is the person who runs into that room and stops the action of evil. This sort of situation is rare of course as it is a rather extreme situation. but thinking about it things like that happen every day but on a less severe level. When a child is beaten up at school because he has a funny shaped nose, who could percieve that as a good action? maybe the word evil is a little extreme in such a case, but it is still unquestionably wrong.

When i originally asked this question i did not mean in the context of things that were down to how you percieve it such as cultural traditions or the actions of extremists and the leaders of the world.

In fact when i first asked this question i was hardly thinking about physical situations at all, i was thinking outside this box into the other planes where certain positive and negative beings dwell, whose existence is based on their will to carry out good or evil actions and what makes them different from one another.

Of course the answer is obvious, the difference between good and evil is that evil indulges in destruction and havoc and good indulges in creation, progression and maintaining peace.

regardless, whether on this plane or the others, good and evil exist and physically the actions and consequences of these two things are seen every day through stories of rape and abuse or charity work and lets say a firefighter pulling people from a burning building...saying it's all down to how people percieve it, is foolish. Maybe in some cases, but definitely not overall...

hahaha...i've missed this site...

As i've grown older it seems that time has sped up. sometimes i stop and think wow seems like only yesterday i was in secondary school.
Today has gone by rather quickly, but if i stop to think about it, the time spent seems to fit with everything i've done. Right now it's 2 AM where i am, my day began at 9 AM where i slipped to and from sleep for a while, made a few phone calls, spent some time on this site =P, met up with my girlfriend, hung around and watched a movie with her came home did some meditation and chakra work met up with some friends, ate dinner, did some more meditation, and now here i am! sounds like a 17 hour day to me considering the time it took to do each of those things.
The reason my life seems to have gone by so quickly since i was 14 or whatever is just coz i don't remember every single little thing i did until the point i'm up to now...and if you've lost the memory, you lose the time with it. So it seems like it wasn't so long ago.

But of course, as previously mentioned, if time was speeding up we wouldn't notice. But when i consider it time seems like it always has been, just theres gaps in time coz of loss of memory.

"Something interesting to note is the area of the brain which is used for time perception degrades as we get older."

now that is interesting! where did u get this information?

Root:   open   (44%)
Sacral:   open   (31%)
Navel:   open   (50%)
Heart:   open   (69%)
Throat:   open   (44%)
Third Eye:   open   (63%)
Crown:   open   (25%)

i did this after a session of chakra work, interesting. I felt that i needed more work on my crown chakra and according to this it definitely isn't as open as i would like.
I wonder who thought up those questions..hmmmm

very defensive about hypnotism aren't you?
heres my opinion
spiritual exploration and growth is best attained through meditation
self hypnosis works better for relaxation, reducing stress, sorting out jumbled thoughts in your head and such.

i believe both hold their differences and simililarities. but as i'm no absolute genius in either, i'm not gonna start an intellectual debate =)

*thumbs up*

i get it sometimes, randomly, and my hearings fine =)

i'd like to believe it has some spiritual relevance =)
during meditation i sumtimes hear what i concluded was a type of energy or possibly the flow of my own energy, as one of the chakras is linked to spiritual sight, i believe that one of the other chakras might be related to another spiritual sense like hearing. When i hear these noises it's not like my ears are hearing them, but something just outside my ear is...it's weird..but cool =), it sounds nice =). anyone got any thoughts on that?

indeed this discussion no longer belongs here.

but as a little side note i thought i'd say. If people keep thinking that god is so impossible to reach and understand, then they are never going to be able to reach or understand it.

i think chakras have many uses and functions.
For one i think that the chakra itself is like a entrance to stores of energy and when we activate the chakra it makes it possible for the energy to flow into our bodies.
Also i think chakras are like the spiritual bodies vital organs...if a chakra is damaged it makes travel in the spirit body difficult much like if one of our major organs are damaged here in the physical. And like our vital organs in our physical body the chakras each have an important use in the spirit body.

for example, as our heart pumps blood to keep the physical body functionable, our heart chakra sends energy through our spiritual body to keep it functioning =)

you post a lot of deep...stuff...that people rarely reply to haha.
i can't comprehend infinity, but i can feel it.
and infinity isn't an unending road, coz that would be boring, it's a way of depicting infinity, but infinity is far more complex. i can't imagine infinity being boring, otherwise, it would be pointless!

try to think of it like this, true infinity is not a metaphorical distance or a literal amount of time, as true infinity is without time. Infinity is what it is, no word or description can be accurate whilst on this limited plane, thats why it's best to just feel it out, as feelings from the true self speak meaning that words cannot form.

whooooooa far to much for me to read so i'll just throw this in related to the original post.

someone once said to me that everything we percieve as something is actually nothing. The true something is out of reach and incomprehensible to us as we dwell in the nothing. If we look past the illusions of sight, hearing, touch, smell and any other sense you can think of, then all there would be is nothing. and as all that stands in the way of this nothing are illusions, they can not be accounted for as something.

Something is yet to be experienced, and if it has been experienced, it hasn't been by any of us on this plane =P.
It's an interesting thought, it made me think if all of this is nothing, imagine what something would be like! it's something that can be thought about, unless you consider the whole statement to be absolute rubbish. but i like it =), maybe not true...but i like it =).

whoops didnt mean to post on this topic, if anyone read that disregard it...and delete this post if u want

if whoever thought up this idea thought that if people just imagined astral pulse island they would all go to the same place and meet up then thats wrong haha.
Each person would just go to their own seperately created astral pool and would never meet anyone else who tried to visualise it.

if you wanted to create a place where people can meet you would need enough energy to create and sustain the astral pool permanently with it's own energy signature that people can feel out and travel to instead of just going to a place that looks like it that they created.

Ahs well...points for the original thinking i guess

haha ok i'm in a rush and saw a lot of writing so i'm just gonna post my thoughts on what you originally posted. If this has already been said then apologies.

The eyelids fluttering can happen because your eyes are focused or are positioned in an awkward way which can happen whilst you are focusing and begin to exit, you don't notice thats what it is at the time but if you attempt to readjust your eyes then you will notice that was the problem.

The raised heartbeat happens to me everytime i am about to exit, theres nothing to worry about, in fact i enjoy the rush =P. It was rather overwhelming at first, it proper starts pounding haha it's like i've just gotten onto a big rollercoaster and i'm all excited and scared coz it's about to shoot me 1000 feet into the air haha.
But no nothing to worry about, in my experience this happens when you are so VERY CLOSE to exiting, if your like me then all you have to do is keep focused for about 10 more seconds and the sudden increase in your heart rate will cease and your projection will be complete. When experiencing this sensation also look out for a sudden electifying jerk when you exit, after this you will have switched into your astral body but you will not be fully out. in which case don't get scared and quit just continue to focus until u feel yourself slip further away from your body. Once far enough away you will gain control over your astral body and you will gain the ability to see and travel through your surroundings =).

I think the raised heartbeat happens because your body hasn't fallen asleep properly, which would be the case for you because you tensed your muscles =P.

Have fun with your next attempt =)

yeah thats well gonna help with his fear isn't it. you mug.

theres nothing to fear out there you can't be hurt, and if something scares you or shocks you then you will be automatically sucked back into your body. It's one of the defences your mind has whilst projecting. Don't fear it, enjoy the moment. The memories of my experiences still make me smile!! =)

"im personally too scared to have them cause im scared of ghosts and demons."

don't worry about that, a widely shared opinion is that demons don't exist and ghosts can't hurt you (Y)

it happened to me for a while about a year ago.
I could barely get the vibrations let alone have a projection, i got it into my head that my ability was being supressed by a being that didn't want me in the astral. I later realized i was wrong haha, i dunno why i just blamed it on something other than myself.

Truth was i was trying to hard and expecting results to come too easily. My effort stopped my mind from being relaxed and focused and when i started to feel the exit symptoms i paid too much attention to them expecting it to continue so i would not progress. Once i realized what i had been doing to sorted myself out and things got back to normal. A schoolboy error and a fools mistakes haha. maybe your trying to hard or focusing to much on things like the exit symptoms...

try visualizing the area around you and get a good feel for the energy in the area once you are ready to project. As you are an experienced projector already this should come quite easily for you to accomplish.

I think it's easier to have a partner who practices it aswell. You have someone close you can talk to and it stops u from getting frustrated and keeps you calm, focused and determined. I'm not a very patient person, but after talking with my friend i had an extremely positive attitude and strived for a "perfect" projection =). and eventually i got one!
Don't give in and face up to the enjoyable challenge i say! =)

whenever i find that i've woken up too early i take the opportunity as an easy ride into the astral =) it makes things so much simpler to do.

Highly recommended, but i never try to do it, too much effort, just use it when the situation arises =D

Mydral: how did u gather the effort to reply to such a pathetic topic =P. when i replied to this aaaaages ago all i could manage was a sigh =)
kudos though u have my applause, the guys a fool...

in this topic u can't have an opinion without someone having a go at you. So i'm just gonna throw my opinion in with little detail and let u carry on.

demons exist, they are a part of the source just like us. Every element of existence makes up a whole. Like it or not, not everything is good and hunky dory, "evil" exists. Although the concept of good and evil exists in our mind. Demons and "Satan" are just beings who have a different idea and a different plan to that of "angels" and "god". In our normal physical state we might interpret it as evil, but otherwise, when in an enlightened state, it can be seen as just...different.
They have a part to play in overall existence just like the soul, the mind, and different states of conciousness.

Where is this existence headed? thats a bit off topic =P but demons etc are still around whether people will believe it or not, our beliefs don't influence as much as you'd like to think.