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(sorry for all the posts, I'm new here and everything in AP seems interesting to me, see how long it takes for me to get banned )

"What does a real spiritualist eat and drink? In relation to OBE, Astral visiting etc."

I would guess that it would be a vegetarian diet and allowing dairy milk products. Some may be picky and require rennetless cheese for example.

The reasoning for this is boring, but here goes.

At some point in spiritual progression I believe that we eventually prepare to make the break from the creation cycle.

As humans, we started as predators and we require protein from meat.

Eventually we tire of the blood, gore and competition game (after countless reincarnations and WTF what the heck am I doing on Earth again??!!) and just instinctively gravitate to the non-predatory spiritual lifestyle.

For example, I got home from my work out and was offered chicken, instead I had a craving for a blender full of soy-milk, banana, and sunflower seeds, so that's what I had. This morning I had turkey burgers, so I don't follow this description of "spiritualist" Rest in peace little turkey, my prayers are with you.

I think that we have to have this "set-up" prior to birth so that our bodies can survive on the vegetarian diet. Some people, even sincere vegetarians for many years will suffer malnutrition without animal protein and just have to go with the balanced human diet.

Meaning that we must have a predisposition for "real spiritualism"
and have the arrangement to have the proper equipment.

To go vegetarian is part of the rejection of this oppressive physical existence. To refuse to partake in the gnashing of fangs, and the lust for blood and gore.

It's common that many humans instinctively detest gore, (the yuk factor), but instead of going vegetarian, we have all these neatly sanitized flesh products and think that we are cheating the system by not personally slaughtering and butchering the animal.

( or agree to such inane concepts as "we are the masters of the planet and by damn it's our divine right to kill and eat anything that moves"

Or it's just simply, hey, I'm hungry and your body looks delicious! DIE sucker!

Most of the Indian spiritual schools of thought will say that you don't get away with anything by this, and that you still share the negative action for the killing of the animal.

From my experiences of enthusiastically following a vegetarian diet and working as a vegetarian chef in a successful restaurant, and years later eventually succumbing to the addition of poultry and fish to my diet, I would have to say that during my strict vegetarian years, I had more "interesting" inner experiences.

Perhaps by abstaining from meat we reduce the negative reactions caused by unnecessarily taking the life of an animal and we lighten the load so to speak, and then find it easier to achieve a higher vibration of consciousness.

In conclusion:
Our civilization has reached a level of technology that presents us with many choices.
We can go to the market and have a choice of fruit, vegetables, seed, nuts, milk dairy products, soy products, from all over the world.

This is more than sufficient to sustain our bodies.

Now to make the choice to pick up a slab of flesh at the meat department says that you have no problem being stuck here on earth in the physical world and that you are happy to remain here and suffer countless additional incarnations.

It's your choice.

(why did I eat that turkey burger this morning, I guess I like it here, I'm a very sick puppy!
Maybe in a past life the turkey committed an offense to me and I had to eat it to balance the Karma. Sorry again little blessed turkey, I say another prayer for you.

Nope. i would say,Bush represents evil.

Nope, i would say, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi still represents evil even after his death.

Bush is good because he is wiping out the Islamo- Extremest animals.

I would like to see Islamic scholars denounce  Al Z as the murdering sadistic insane psychopath that he was.

I would like to see Islamic spiritual leaders announce that Al Z was a criminal and that he will NOT reap some kind of perverted heaven world reward for his atrocious acts against humanity and that he will instead experience the harshest of punishments in his afterlife.

Silentfox, I like your sig

I was wondering, since light has velocity (not instantaneous) then the shadow follows us,

however, because we perceive the shadow, then we follow the shadow?
( the shadow is there before we see it)

intriguing paradox.

anyone see the Myth Busters stomach test?

The myth is that a person named "Mikie" ate some pop rock candy and drank several cans of soda drink and the reaction caused his stomach to explode.

The myth is BUSTED, They did the test by filling a pig's stomach (bought from the butcher). Pop Rocks and Soda will not cause fatal inflation,

However,
They continued the test and mixed hydrochloric acid with baking soda and the test stomach expanded and reached a pressure of 3psi, then it ruptured/exploded.

So I guess, avoid adding more hydrochloric acid to your stomach and DON'T take 3-4 table spoons of backing soda and you'll be OK.

[Are they describing themselves possibly?]

A sample of guidance from the web site.

Are they describing themselves possibly?

THE CAIN / SATANIC SEED LINE
by
Pastor Bertrand L. Comparet,A.B., J.D.

"It has been brought to my attention many times, that there are preachers and teachers in the world who don't recognize there are literal children of Satan surviving in the world today."

Sun and wind worshiper.

Getting too much skin damage now, so I'm canceling the Sun worship part.

Still pray for winds though.

Also sort of a platonic Jehovah Witness. My spouse participates and sometimes we go to J/W lunch and dinner events together.

is there an Alexander "Alick" Crowley hell world?

Seems that he should be frying in his own juices for all the harm and confusion caused.

please correct me if my attitude about this is flawed.

Some would recall the saying, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem", help because you *care*. .

From the wikipedia link:
"Some Muslim scholars believe FGC is practiced as a result of ignorance and misconceived religious fervor rather than for reasons of true religious doctrine--and any religious basis for the practice is denied. "

It would be nice if these Muslim scholars were to help stop this atrocity, rather than persuading their teenagers to blow themselves up as human bombs.
http://www.target-human-rights.com/target-eng/index3.htm

This is the kind of Human Rights Organization action that I will support,

However, I strongly oppose Human Rights Organization meddling in the war on Islamo-Extremism, and poking their noses in Guantanamo Bay.

The only reason they target Gitmo is because it's a soft political target that gives the highest return in publicity.

They need to go after the hard targets, such as this FGC problem.

WG

......I see very clearly a woman's face ....

I was just going to ask if it's a portrait or full figure... thanks..

could you try to sketch out the outline of the face on a copy of your photo?
It's probably like the stain image of Christ that was popular years ago.

To most it just looked like a simple stain, then after looking at it for a while, or coming back to it later, then BAM, "wow that's a picture of Christ"

Any of the old farts (like me)  remember this?, it came out about 30 years ago.

EDIT, i just saw Stookies pic,  

Imagine the belief world of the purely devout conspiracy theorist.

Entire cathedrals with walls, floors and ceiling covered in newspaper clippings, photos, and notepaper drawings of interlocking schematics that prove the logic of deep conspiracies.

An entire planet with a surface of conspiracy theory documentation that covers supporting documentation.

Layers of documentation strata reach to the center of the planet where the deeply nested conspiracy exists as a viscous core of slowly circulating super heated mental convection.

As the layers of documentation strata continue to build, the pressure at the core becomes critical, and the planet blooms into a magnificent multi-spectrum super nova of lace design punctuated with volumetric beams of illuminated streaming gas.

The super nova expands, seeding the dark mater with a unique periodic chart of new elements.

The new elements condense into planetary systems where sentient life evolves and new conspiracy theories are born.

Eventually, the creation reaches the time of dissolution, all that is matter, mental, and spirit dissolve, and all that is left is:
The conspiracy theory.

WG  

fascinating, thanks for the links.

I really like the chart, Levels of Self-hood (essence)

The opposite sectors relate belief system to the individual's state,

AND they are mostly all divided into 5 sections. (all except Jew)

So, instead of "42" could the number "5" be the answer to the
"Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything. "  ?
srry, couldn't resist  

thanks again, very interesting reading...

WG

thanks, just brainstorming..

I'm still reading the Astral Locale thread, that's a long one!

The photo image works very well, and is easy to visualize, so I'd imagine that as a group, the success of everyone visualizing the same scenery is greater.

Reflective waters surface, white sand beach tropical jungle, pyramid, blue sky. Very distinctive uncomplicated combination, and hard to miss.

In this respect, the pyramid is a landmark, easy to identify.

As a new person here, the idea of a project like this is very interesting of course. I hope that someday I'll be able to visit.

Yes humans can explode - If you overeat on beans :PP

Blessings,
Ryu

Pardon me please, I just exploded   :redface:

PMOD,
an inspirational desire shared by many I bet.

When I was a kid, my Mum had this great collection of Theosophical society books, with great stories and beautiful color illustrations.

One of the most memorable stories was the description by the author of a heaven world he had observed, a world belonging to a career Astronomer.

This astronomer's heaven was an entire physical universe, full of clusters of galaxies, each filled with billions of stars, phenomena, and systems, and he was free to explore the whole thing at will.

As the story goes, after exploring his private universe for countless years, he would probably  re-incarnate as a genius Astronomer because of the experience.
Anyway, I loved those books and they were very inspirational.

WG

So, ultimately 'Learning how to die' means to me that a person has completely satisfied their need for experience, so there is simply nothing left to do...

I've always followed the simple explanation of what spiritual teachers mean when they say, "learn to die when living"
to be actually referring to the experience of OBE and projecting/higher focus.

So quite literally they teach the method of leaving the body so that we experience "death" of the physical body before leaving it for the last time.
Therefore, the "fear" of death is gone, because of having this experience.

Some teachings are very specific, and again, simply state, for example, "when you follow this path, you will learn to leave your body and you will know what happens at the time of physical death"

Starrwolff,

Again, I apologize for the the "wazoo" thing, and making light of a serious topic.

This brings a question to my mind about things I've read about how some aspects of civilization in the physical realm are a reflection of conditions existing in a higher focus.

For example, law and order. In our society, an assault is a crime, and we can call on police to help us prosecute the criminal.

When conscious in a higher focus, is it like the wild west and every man for themselves? Or is there a higher legal structure that our society is a reflection of? (for example conditions in a medium astral universe)

If one feels that they are being assaulted on a psychic level, what could be the equivalent of calling "911" ?

So there might be a thousand of more of "you" in the Astral at the same time. Just as soul mates are attracted to each other; so to would "all of you", and very often it is aspects of "you" that are your "guides", which can be thought of as "cheerleaders" in the Astral.

So in fact all of these experiences can easily be with yourself  

Adrian.

Had to read the entire thread again to catch this, thank you for the insight Adrian.
Over the years I've dream't about a "soul mate", they seemed like very real lucid experiences, as if the person was a long time friend.

I don't mention to my spouse, "hey honey, I had another dream about my soul mate", I don't think that's very constructive, however, I hope that my spouse enjoys similar dream experiences. I'll think of a way to open the conversation sometime.

[sells the same thing]

the sort of thing that gets me is this:

http://www.forthwizard.com/catalog.html

NOW this site is not too bad, and if you like the artwork it's great,

I can't find it now, but I found a site that sells the same thing, basically a nice  crystal glued to the end of a polished stick with some ornamental beads on it for U$30,000  ! ! !    

Claiming that the crystal sticks have real magic powers.    

Imagine taking orders for for these things at 30K a pop. Maybe I would feel good about myself and say "stupid people with too much money need to be separated from their assets"

Someone who's an expert at windsurfing, kitesurfing, sailing, something I aspire to (wana be)    .

I'm learning to respect the windgods, not to worship, but to refrain from cursing them when the wind is not just the way I like it.
(yeah, got some frustration issues to fix       )

wow, that reptilian thing is "interesting"  

I wonder if James Bartley has any reptilian friends, or maybe his doctor is a reptilian?

I think the reptilians are nice to me because as a child, I used to keep gecko lizards as pets and feed them flies.  

Knightlight, thanks! I'll look them up and buy all I can to help the cause.

Kodemaster wrote: "Shamanic Journeying."

It featured rhythmic drumming and is intended to induce states similar to astral projections. "

- During a quick meditation I tried "saying/enunciating" a simple drum rhythm with synchopation in my head, sort of the way you'd say a mantra, I think it helped to focus the mind and cancel out the jibber jabber.
( I'm in no way qualified to recommend doing this, just trying an idea)

you're going to laugh, but something like:
boom - - ba-da boom - - ba-da-ba-da- boom - - ba-da boom - - ba-da-ba-da- boom - - ba-da boom.....

The words should mentally "sound" more like percussion beats than saying words.

The simple sychopation needs a little bit of concentration compared to just a steady thum - thum - thum - thum - for example, so to create focus rather than a hypnotic drone.

This in pace with breathing based as a very slow metronome.

Just brainstorming, not actually advocating a specific method...

.......I feel as a musician myself that it is probably one of the most technically demanding and awesome styles out there!

agree, (I've some classical piano background, love jazz, all metal, and hi speed stuff) that style is an inspiration to me. A level of virtuosity that seems super human at times. Thank God that music hasn't gone the way of the disco drummer. (Is there a special hell for disco drummers? )

The only thing that puts me off for this style as a group is the throaty croaking noises that the vocalists make.
IMHO, the virtuoso instrumental riffs, bass and rhythm structure is suddenly spoiled or distracted by the bizarre low hoarse throaty croaking noises that the "vocalists" suddenly blurts out with.
I have difficulty interpreting the mood they're trying to convey. Maybe because I'm too old, over 50? I can't figure it out. :confused:

TBH, I edit out all the "vocals" in the tracks for my play list.
With all due respect to the artistic expression, I can't stand the "singing" parts.

Perhaps you have a word or 2 that will help me to appreciate this style as a whole.

relating a crystal obelisk to the pyramid,

history reference mentions that the Egyptian pyramids had a polished granite surface. (At least the cap stones)

I thought the original idea of the pyramid center piece was inspiring.

Perhaps a suggestion to consider "restoring" the way the pyramid builders had originally in-visioned how the pyramid surface would look.

The entire pyramid of polished surface, with symbology inlay, a crystal cap stone, the structure perhaps containing inner chambers (rooms, libraries) and port alignments to celestial objects for example.

The idea being, to build on the original concept.

ah yeah, thanks! First time I'd seen the term hypnagogic was here in AP, seems like the word fits well. (although the very excellent spell checker thinks it should be "spongecake", that's alright)  

darn, i tried to do a search but couldn't find it, they call it psycho-hypnotic images/imagery here?

happens to me frequently, usually just before falling asleep, or when waking up in the middle of the night, then closing my eyes.

Interesting that you should mention a woodland scene, because a couple nights ago while trying to meditate, I saw a flash of the canopy of a tree forest, looking up at it from below, and seeing the sky through the leaves. Vivid and photographic as if my eyes were open and i was looking at a film projection.

The imagery can be patterns, swirling clouds, many layer composite abstract intricate multicolor textures, realistic environments, rooms, photo-realistic to cartoonish, (coffee and aspirin are the only drugs I take    )

There must be lots of terminology for this, for example,  transition from beta brainwaves to alpha to theta just before sleep.

a specific phase during the meditaion trance, (before falling asleep unintentionally    )

I'd imagine that this is the source of inspiration for  many artists.

as far as help goes, my unqualified advice is to continue developing the waking trance state, naturally, avoid artificial means to stimulate this, and enjoy the imagery.

A very interesting challenge for me is to capture this imagery in digital 3d artwork.