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   That is an interesting site. although it differs greatly from the approach I was talking about before. I wouldnt place the animals and plants together for example.

Steiner does suggest further ways that the human can be divided, it can be as followed;


      1. Physical/mineral
      2. Etheric/Life
      3. Soul body
      4. Setient soul
      5. Mind soul
      6. Conciousness soul
      7. Spirit self
      8. Life spirit
      9. Spirit man

   3 and 4 are grouped together and collectively termed as the astral body. 6 and 7 are together. This makes a seven fold person. The faculties of spirit self, life spirit and spirit man do not yet exist in the human being, but are potentials that will hopefully be attained in future incarnations of the earth. the Spirit man can be speculated as a spiritualized aspect of the physical/mineral body. The Life spirit can be seen as a spiritualized Life/ether body, and the Spirit self can be seen as a spiritualized Astral body. When I say spiritualized this doesnt mean the entire physical body spiritualizes and ascends to the spiritual, but a part of that body will spiritualize.

   Steiner does not speculate upon previous incarnations of the earth previous to the warmth planet (saturn) but says that there is really only so far back you can go before it is no longer available to clairvoyance. Same goes for bodily members above the potential spirit man. They most likely exist if you follow steiners system logically, but to keep going and going would get outside of the subject.

      Hope this is helpful.

   For me the most difficult part of projecting is reaching the hypnogogic state. I cannot do it conciously, only once have i managed, on my first attempt about three years ago! Once I am in the trance I can exit pretty well. This is evident by the fact that I can wake up in trance and then immediately exit. The smoke alarm thing is much easier said than done though, it is very difficult to project your conciousness out of your body for much longer than a split second at a time. So one way to do it is to constantly be at the alarm and then back in your body in a rythmic successsion,is thsi similar to the qabbalistic concept of "running and returning," ? I wonder.
   

   Infact, if you keep running with this,

       Every National group, organized system etc goes through periods of development that reflect this higher spiritual truth. Business go through similar phases as do support groups etc.

 I wouldnt immediately associate it with tingling in the spine, I wouldnt even place it in the same catogory. The vibrations associated with projection are infinitely more intense in my experience.

  "On repsonse to the different bodies. Do you think that a higher 'body' combines us all as one?"

   
      Wee, if you follow the idea which states that "as above so below" which I Believe is one of the most profound sentences ever uttered, then yes. We as human beings are just a microcosm of an even bigger part. We are a manifestation of a higher spiritual truth.

The planet earth as a being has already been through three previous incarnations. With each one incorperating a further level to our existence. Begining with just a "physical body", then comes the second existence of earth with the incorperation of the etheric body, so we gain a plant life sleep conciousness, thirdly comes the third manifestation where we attain the astral body, and a dream like animal conciousness. Next comes our existence, with the addition of the ego and a waking conciousness bathed in clarity.

Yes, This planet is a higher body in that respect, but not the only way in which this is apparent. We also have higher bodies on a lower level, such as humanity in general, even cultural group souls nationaly, and also by town or village.

    There is no end to the way in which we see that we are a part of a very special whole.

     Hope this is helpful to you.

According to the spiritual system that I am studying under now, the human being can be divided into a number of different bodies;

   1. Physical body. Everything mineral , that is subject to decay. Shared with mineral kingdom i.e. rocks.
   2.Etheric Body. The animating principle, life body, without it, the physical body would die. Plants have a Mineral body and an etheric body.
   3. Astral body. The bearer or sentience, we wouldnt be aware without it. Animals have a physical, etheric and astral body.
   4. I. the individual person, what makes us different from every other human being. We as humans are all seperate spiritual genus'

There are further more spiritual aspects that are really seen as potentials for future incarnartions of the Earth.

    This is like a basic outline of the human being in the view of anthroposophy. With this in mind, it is necesary to mention that under this belief system, during sleep, the astral body and the ego, separate entirely from the other two bodies. The remaining two bodies stay together, obviously, as if the etheric body would leave, you would be dead already!

    With this in mind, we can now speculate that astral projection occurs in the higher members. In a normal nights dreaming, there is only a dim awareness, much like the awareness that those in the animal kingdom have in waking life. To have a concious projection, the projector needs to have waking conciousness in the astral realm. Their I needs to fully take hold during sleep, Then we have what is seen as an astral projection.

How to achieve this?
   
     The separation between ether-physical and Astral-ego needs to occur. So, we must be able to bring our physical body down to the level of activity that is required for the astra/ego to leave. So we relax, and control our breathing (safely!) and slip hopefully into hypnogogic trance. This is the state the body is in during normal sleep, except our conciousness is still permeating the etheric-physical state. This feels at first frightening, but after a few attempts, it can be overcome by the projectors I, with strength of will and bravery.
     Next, with our focus away from the physical, we have the etheric to deal with. the only necesary thing here (he says like its the simplist thing in the world!) is now to bring your sentience (astral body) out of the etheric. I have found that by focusing on a point in my room, outside of my physical, and hanging on there for dear life, is the best way to do this. Imagine you are hanging on to your smoke detector, or your window sill. Dont let go, dont go back into your body. This, I guess, causes some kind of confusion (sorry not so scientific.) and your conciousness leaves the etheric-physical set-up and hey presto.

   To be able to remove your conciousness out to the periphery for long enough (i speculate at about 20-30 seconds) is really the key that unlocks projection for me. This is evident in most techniques I have ever read, Mr. Bruces most excellent rope technique being one, as it requires constant conciousness on the task at hand. But, entering a painting on your wall, or walking through the house would serve just as well. I like hanging onto the fire alarm personally, but, whatever floats your boat.

    I really feel that this explanation sheds a lot of light onto the phenomenon of projection for me, and i urge you to at least consider it. But please, if it ends up helping you achieve a projection, be careful, make sure you have protected yourself, ask for Archangel Michael in particular, as he is the main man right now. Even a banishing ritual or whatever would help you out.

                                             Lysear.

My experience with the vibrations go as follows,

   I am asleep, usually after having trouble getting to sleep, or getting woken up then going back to sleep, I will wake up. I will feel disorientated, then the vibrations will begin, at which point I began to apply my will to exiting.
   

perhaps, they probably have some kind of conceptual relationship. The point is, consider how beneifical this kind of demonstration is to the being of the child, to begin to truly understand the formative element of sound, they perfect geometric relationships.

 Hi guys,

    I am currently teaching a physics lesson to a sixth Grade class. I finished off my week of acoustics study with the demonstration of thr chladni plate. This is a metal sheet that you pour salt onto, then stimulate by "playing it" with a cello bow. The salt then forms into a variety of shapes, reflecting presumably the vibrations of the sheet on one level, but on another, reflecting the beautiful nature of the Sound/Chemical ether. The form on its own, with the square Chladni plate was a six pointed star, when I had one of the kids touch the corner of the plate with their finger, I bowed it again and it turned onto an eight pointed star, and with two fingers it began to form into something else, but I couldnt get it exact, I would have needed a bigger plate.
   
    This is what science lessons are all about, experiencing the wonder of these forms, and then next week, once they have really slept on it, I will introduce some concepts into it, why did it form, what was the underlying cause.

                                        Lysear

   

does anybody know of any scientific explanation for the vibrational state. I ask because I know it is real, i have experienced this very intensly, I wonder if science sees it as physiological of pshycological. Any ideas?

I would have to agree with what is being said here generally. A few years back, I used to try this exact technique, while it didnt lead to projection, i did feel a real pull, like i was on the verge. in facr you've inspired me to try it tonight, right now. goodnight

It took me a couple of months before astral projection really permeated my dream conciousness, then i had random projections from dreams, becoming lucid, then feeling the vibrational state. Mostly, when I am out of my body, I cannot open my eyes fully, it is a very similar feeling to when you first wake up to a bright light, you squint. I have an astral squint! It was only 2 nights ago that I conquered this astral squint to some degree. Usually when I have this squint in a dream, it is a hint that I am really in a semi-concious projection.
   Somebody mentioned fear. I believe conquering this fear and commiting a really brave, or michaelic deed (the dude who conquered Ahriman on the spiritual plane according to R. Steiner,) if you will, is one of the key requirments for projection. This requires a real change in perspective and attitude in general, this can only occur over a period of years of enriched living, with an awareness of the spiritual foundations behind everything that is physical. Hope this helps a bit, I do have a tendency to go on a bit. So now I'll stop, this is me stopping. There I stopped. Shite, no I didnt, this is it.

Try to exit the body when you feel vibes, really push your awareness fowards and out of your body, then literally open your eyes, you will hopefully find that it is your spiritual eye that opens instead of the physical.

i had a projection last night, I opened my eyes and saw God because I made a choice of purity Chose the path of purity.

   While projecting, I frantically tried to get some proof that I was out, tried a couple of things, but in the end I dont need the proof.


                         Joe.

The title says most of it. I went on a road trip a couple of years back, and this is the fruits of my writing. I would really appreciate some people reading it and commenting. I really need some feedback (honest feedback.) Its only a few short chapters, i would be grateful. Anyway, thanks in advance,    Joe.

yes, i have also experienced that, if you put your tongue on the roof of your mouth and also breathe through your nose, it helps a great deal.

I would just like to draw everybodies attention to the works of Austrian philosopher Rudolph Steiner. Some of you may have heard about his work, but many I am sure have not. He was prominent at the begining of the 20th century. An ex-member of the theosophical society, he eventually broke away from this group and formed his own anthroposophical society, now based in Dornach, Switzerland.

 His approach to life covers vast areas, from the more esoteric elements, to practical applications. His ideas manifest in the Waldorf schools, Bio-dynamic farming, the art form of Eurythmy, and the Camphill villages.

 He even talks about concious experiences in the spiritual world at night.

I would urge anybody interested in Astral projection to at least read his book theosophy. And then if still interested, you should consider A philosophy of freedom, knowledge of higher worlds, and esoteric science.

I cannot express enough, how important this mans writings are to everybody.


                           Lysear

I have just got my old name and password back courtesy of Adrian, so I feel quite happy.

Ever read anything by Rudolph Steiner? I have been studying his work a bit. Its very interesting. Try reading Theosophy, or An outline of escoteric science. I especially find his work on escoteric training of immense geinus. His divisions of the human body are in great depth and backed up by intelligent arguments, especially considering that they were written 80 years ago.

The problem with his works is that his name conjurs up a host of objections by fools who have never even read his most basic texts, and accusations of racism fly from every direction based on small samples taken entirely out of context.

try it, you may learn something interesting about yourself.

   Lysear. ( back from my sabbatical!)

I have recently delved into the world of Anthroposophy, Rudpolh Steiner, Waldorf education etc. Anyone else have any experiences of this, I find it fascinating.

Hello to the guys and gals at the pulse. I dont know how often I can get away with visiting this site at the moment, I'm very busy. Just thought I'd give a quick word up! My first time in the states, I went to New York last week and Philedelphia today. By the way if your ever in Philly, check out south street, it is great! Also there is an occult shop there called... the occult shop, you should probably go there too, the bloke who runs it is called xavier and he seems pretty cool. Better go now, have fun. Speak soon.

Hello everyone who has aided (or hindered) me over the last year.

I am moving to America in two days and the circumstances are still a bit up in the air at the moment and I'm not sure if I will be able to access Astral Pulse for a year, so I will say my stuff now.

It has been great, this place has given me a lot to think about and a lot to laugh about. It has aided my spiritual growth and brought me back down to earth with a bump at varying intervals! I have learned so much, but then nothing at all. I'm sorry if this is sounding a bit crap but I have had a skinfull as it is my 21st today!

thankyou to Adrian, Robert Bruce, Frank,  etc and all the rest of you.

like I said, I may be able to continue posting soon, but if I cant then this is my goodybye post. Everyone keep at it, maybe one day we will all meet up on the astral plane.


                     Lysear

The system I am currently studying with insists on the importance of performing a basic protection ritual such as the rose cross or lesser banishing of the pentagram before meditating. I have recently been questioning this approach and have come to the conclusion that I do not aggree with him. I am therefore going to start meditating when I get up in the morning without performing a protection, just for a while as a protection. I was really just after some advice on this from people experienced in it.

I just came across this, you may like it, I found it quite interesting.

//http://www.astralvoyage.com/