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Any suggestions on how I would tell someone who doesnt feel it a good way to recognize it?  I don't like to believe that someone is not good at feeling it , I tend to believe that everyone's energy is different and that I need to change up how I manipulate either mine , their or both in order for them  to feel it... what is everyone's thoughts on that? 

Hello everyone.. What I'm referring to is the fact that some people will feel it when I try to do something like an energy ball over their hands and some people wont and some people feel it less when some people feel it twice as strong..

What do you think is the reason why some people feel it when I mess with energy over their hands or whatever and some people simply dont?

I dont think I'm too advanced with this stuff but I've done some things that are quite interesting.  I wont get into it because i dont want to seem like I'm bragging or lieing. I am really just curious as to what others think about why some people feel it and some dont?  I come to think its not necessarily a belief thing where if you believe you will feel it , you will.. and if you dont believe it , you wont feel it ..  I've changed the minds of even a few skeptics and I'm surprised that some believers dont feel it a bit.. 

Some people yank their hands out because its scary strong and some sit there and say how they barely feel anything but its something.... 

I was thinking energy blockages maybe?  I think age effects it quite a bit, the younger generation feels it more often than not and females feel it more often than males in my experiences..

Anyone come to think similarly?  Let me know something  
Peace!

I want to thank everyone for their input on this thread... except for iNNERvOYAGER 's post which was just childish and immature to say the least...

I think its safe to say I can rule out pot as being the main culprit of these experiences simply because I've been a pretty regular pot smoker for the past 4 years and if it was the cause of these "passing out" episodes then it would happen much more regularly.. I have reason to believe it may be my diet... which lately has consisted of only one (2 if I think about it) meals a day.. I know I have a fast metabolism myself and so no matter how much I eat its hard for me to gain weight .. but I can do just fine eating 3 slices of peanut butter and jelly like I did just now as my first meal of the day at 8:11pm ... you see what I mean?  I'm sure my eating habit is not the healthiest one.. but I really don't mind it unless its contributing to these onsets...

As far as the possibility of epilepsy.. it would surprise the crap out of me to find out this applies to me because I'm constantly.. and oh boy do I mean CONSTANTLY on a computer/video game.. yes I'm that much of a loser it seems... I'll hope on this thing sometimes before even brushin my teeth when I wake up..and theres really been no significant visual effects to bring on such onsets because last night I was just reading a webpage or typing an instant message when it occurred...

I do have a small gut feeling I might have heart issues.. but I'm afraid to get anything checked because if I see the problem on paper I think it would be much easier for me to rid myself of the problem than if I was unsure about the exact problem to begin with.. (through energy healing ) Does that make sense or just sound like a dumb idea!?

I know I couldnt possibly be exerting too much energy because I dont think sitting in a chair typing would be considered strenuous... but on the contrary it would be because I wasnt doing much of anything to begin with and I could simply be needing some exercise? 

I guess I do need to get this checked.. maybe a stress test is in order like they did for my dad when they told him he had heart palputations..

If/when I find out what it is , I'll be sure to update everyone that cares.. Thanks so much for your support guys and I'm sorry if I offended anyone by yet again defending pot.. heh..

I was sitting at my computer last night playing a game of some kind and I started to feel a little short winded.. so I figured , ok maybe I should breathe a little deeper knowing that the feeling I was going through was very similar to an incident that happened a month earlier resulting in me passing out on the floor and waking up to my body shaking uncontrollably for a few moments and almost repeating instantly...  So anyway .. I started to realize that this whole "passing out" feeling was starting to come over me again and so I tried to regulate my breathing ... breathing deeper... wasnt helping ..  I went outside into the fresh night air ... still not helping .. I got on my knees and damn near had my face on the ground before it started to ease up .. but each time I would make any signifigant movements with my body I would start to black out.. things would just go dark on me and I would feel like im passing out .. so I managed to get to the sofa and lay down hoping either I would pass out or just friggin die... anyway .. I lived unfortunately but  the strange part was.. while laying there waiting for whatever it was to take it's tole... I started to see through my eyelids at a certain point.. I could make out my surroundings except it was a different view point .. or something ... I didnt go too much further into this state because I thought I was actually dieing so I kinda moved around a bit on the sofa and it totally ruined the state I was in... although that feeling was gone.. I was still left with wondering what exactly it is that seems to come and make me feel like this every once in a while totally out of the blue...

The first time it happened I thought it was maybe cause I didnt eat ... but last night when it happened I had just had a nice meal... maybe it was the pot I smoked? Although pot never has that effect on me .. I did try to smoke some pot again after recooperating from last night's first "passing out" feeling.. and after smoking some more pot I instantly felt like that again.. .. but I smoked the same pot after that incident yesterday and I never got the same feeling come over me.. I dunno what it could be that makes me start to pass out like this ... and I also found out that one of my best friends died that night and I remember having extreme pains in my stomache and nausea to the point where I thought I was going to have to puke to end the passing out feeling..

I dunno if that is in any way connected but I thought it was interesting to note that I started having OBE sensations after laying on the couch and starting to see through my eyelids is a sure sign of a starting OBE for me.  I told you it was ...ODD...

Its safe to say I'm a Veteran pot smoker myself but I'm not your average pot head I might add.. I , unlike many pot smokers,  tend to use it for its spiritual and even medicinal purposes at times.  The only thing I find bad about pot smoking is the potential lazyness it causes and de-motivation to do certain things..

For example:  I realized the house was getting messy for a couple of days... While staying high for that whole week I just really didnt feel like doing much of anything like cleaning.. but is that the pot?  Not completely.. its just me being lazily stoned.. I could have gotten up and cleaned but I would have pretty much wasted a good high.

But you can find ways to overcome that negative side effect of pot by telling yourself .."Ok , I'll clean the house or do whatever I have to do BEFORE I smoke!"  And if you have good enough will power , you'de be surprised at how effective it could be. I'll even say that sometimes when I smoke , I'll get a wierd hankering to actually do some things I've been putting off simply because while stoned I can just let my mind wander and before i know it  , my chores are done...

I really do think it would cut down a hell of a lot on drug related violence if they legalized it.. and I know it works wonders for nausea and stomache pain as well as helps me sleep. 

And I think I speak for most everyone when I say that its a hell of a lot better than Alchohol for society because it simply does not impair your coordination or anything nearly as bad as being drunk would... If you think Alchohol is safer than smoking pot then you seriously have a screw loose... no .. scratch that .. a bunch of screws loose ...

Try it .. go drink a 12 pack of beer or whatever it takes for you to start slurring your words or falling when you walk .. then go smoke all the weed you could possibly smoke and tell me if you reach the same state of intoxication... I doubt it ...  MAYBE for the first smoke of your life you will feel a bit overwhelmed but trust me unless you are supersensitive to it ... you never feel as high as the first time you smoke.. at least I havent yet...

Thats my 2 cents.. heh

rofl ... you basterd lol.... I was just about to go to sleep its getting late.. that just added a good extra 40 minutes to my waking state.... GRRR!

It also sounds to me like hypnagogic sounds which in fact do occur very close to the border of sleep for me at least.  I suggest if you really want to explore these sounds try staying up for a very long time like if you wake up at 8:00am stay up until about 4 or 5am   or later depending on what kind of schedule you have.. the more sleep deprived the easier it is to hear these sounds almost instantly after hitting the pillow but do try to keep yourself away and attempt to go OBE and just wait.. I stayed up really late the other night and it took only 10 seconds for me to hear my mothers voice having a conversation with someone and all of a sudden a moment later it sounded like somoene firmly kicked my door and my eyes shot open.. I knew what it was but I nearly opened the door just to make sure noone was knocking or anything.. keep in mind my mother was 30 minutes away...   I think you are at the closest part of an OBE once these sounds occur but unfortunately for me I always end up falling asleep very shortly after noticing these sounds.  Anyone have any suggestion for me to try after hearing hypnagogic noises? I can hear them just about every time I attempt to project but my problem is still falling asleep.

Bxts , what I suggest doing when you feel the actual vibrations is to try to will them on even stronger.. this could be a good thing or a bad thing.. meaning.. sometimes by trying to actively control the vibrations you sometimes wake yourself up and they go away all together but if you do it just right you can control them until they are increasing ever so much and I find it much easier after I've increased the vibrations to a certain extent to leave the body because once they are that strong its harder to wake my body out of the paralysis state and youll know when they are strong enough to exit the body eventually.  The way I make them stronger is simply focusing on the actual feelings they give me .. not so much focusing on the part of the body you feel them at but more of feeling the actual sensations they give you and you sort of naturally make them stronger if you focus on them with the intent of making them increase..  You might notice that all of a sudden you start seeing through your eyelids once they get strong enough and then its just a matter of trying one of many techniques to leave your body at that point.  At least , thats how it works for me sometimes.

Awakened_Mind
I dont condone the use of Marijuana to anyone because I've seen how its had definate negative impacts on my life but I certainly can't believe at this point that Marijuana is not something that can be used for spiritual purposes as long as you have a good mindset about it and explore it a certain way.  It has helped me spiritually much more than I can explain but I will say that I cant remember a time I've used it to actually project.. but it has given me very creative ideas on coming up with some exit techniques and definately is good for me when I try to do energy work on myself.  Thanks for your input and explanation.

Heres how I learned to fly one day..

At first I was only able to do really high and slow motion backflips which was awesome by the way.. I got the idea that I wanted to fly and so when I left my body once more I was met by a person in the astral that looked much like a school janitor/Bum  .. he never moved his lips when he spoke to me and come to think of it , I never actually heard him .. it was all non verbal but he was telling me to look up at the ceiling of the school gym I was in and sure enough when I looked up at the rafters there was a small orb of light sparkling like a lit firework.. he instructed me to focus on that light and as I did I started to slowly rise and rise.  After learning about that , i tested it in different OBEs and it actually was a good way to lift off the ground without worrying about gravity.. I used it to speed through the halls of my school by focusing on something quite a good distance away and as I would speed like crazy to that object or point of focus I would pick a new point ahead of me and speed to it..  I later realized that it is a good way to leave your body almost effortlessly once you reach a state of paralysis and are able to see through your eyelids.. I would pick a ceiling tile or a hanging picture on the wall and the more I focused on it and tried to see the details clearer , the more I would feel drawn towards the object and whether it was staight ahead of me or higher above me it would always let me defy gravity..  Maybe you should try something like that..

When I say focus on it .. its kind of like this.. imagine the letter chart you read at the eye doctors and you know the smaller itty bitty letters that you can hardly see.. well imagine that whatever your focusing on has some small details ( especially something with texture ) and you try to get a closer look at the object without moving towards it .. and it all sort of happends on its own..

When I was in paralysis and able to see through my eyelids I can remember looking in the corner of my ceiling and focusing on it a certain way and each time I would put energy into focusing on it I would feel a purring vibration sensation go through my neck and back.. it was like a cat purring inside of me and when I would stop focusing , the feeling would also stop.. and I just told myself "Ok I'll just focus so much so that i'm out of my body" and it worked.. once I was far enough away from my body by simply focusing on the corner of my ceiling I was then able to move freely and I was completely out of paralysis.  Give it a shot and let us know how it works for you! 

Peace!

Hey there okoklo ...   For me a real OBE is much different from a dream and even the most realistic dreams it doesnt come close..  It feels very real and your thought processes could be as fluid as they are right now while you are awake.. But keeping them that way is a difficult task because after a while that you are OBE , you start to lose control and most of it is due to your subconcious thoughts starting to take over and turn the experience and the surroundings into just an elaborate dream.  When you get used to being OBE you start to notice the feelings of "losing it" and one way I've come up with personally to combat that feeling is to stop what I'm doing OBE , take a closer look at my surroundings and pick something to start at for a few moments all the while reminding myself that I am Out-of-Body and very shortly after focusing intensly on the item of my choice , I'll feel that sensation of "losing it" start to fade almost instantly.. ultimately prolonging my OBE.  Unfortunately I find it hard to go OBE anymore ... theres something I'm doing wrong and I've just not had the patience to change up my routine anymore and try new things to project.  I hope you have one for yourself.. I know it changed my life completely... maybe not the first one but it sure sparked up an interest to have another go at it.. and pretty soon I had some experiences that really led me to believe this stuff is real and I no longer had/have any doubts about what just might be possibly with the whole phenomenon.

One thing to note:
  My first OBE was quite scary.. I remember getting frustrated after trying for the past 3 nights and by the third night I think I projected simply by willing myself out of body with all my anger and frustration built up.. I was literally telling myself.. "This is IT!! i'm tired of trying to do this ! I want it to happen NOW! And I wont take NO for an answer tonight!" And in just a few seconds I felt like I had all this anger and frustration just build up to the point where all of a sudden I could see and what I saw and felt scared the crap out of me... My vision came through my chest .. it was like my eyes and head were where my chest should have been and what I saw first was this huge black orb thing about the size of a bully blown up beach ball and it had these little black spots sucking into it and the next thing I felt was my body being drawn towards it beyond my control and all of my joints in my body were being curled up backwards in the most unnatural way .. it wasnt painful .. it was just a wierd feeling.. like imagine you bending your fingers and toes and knees in the opposite ways that it should bend .. every bone in my body went the opposite way for me as I was slowly sucked into that ball and the only way I woke myself up was by panicing long enough and trying to move with all my might and suddenly I awoke on the bed in the last position I was in and tingling all over with a bit of sweat... I should have been scared to death but something inside me said "Hell yea! I gotta do that again!"  and thus sparked my spiritual journey..

I hope that doesnt scare you.. it sounds freaky and it was .. but the whole experience was way more interesting to me than scary.  I just had to give it another go! Since then all the rest of my experiences have been much more clean and friendly.

Hmm.. interesting that you say Marijuana drains your energy body while for me.. it seems to enhance mine. When doing energy work to someone I can feel what I'm doing with the energy much easier as long as I do it within the first half hour of smoking.. I do believe I have a harder time going OBE while high on it but I'm willing to bet I'm just doing something wrong since I have trouble going OBE while sober anyway.. I'm one of the ones that is actually using the herb for spiritual purposes and so far its the best medicine for my depression and it definately enhances my ability to think deeply about something and be more creative as well as increase my ability to visualize something. 

I dont know about it draining your energy body.. could you elaborate on that for me please?

Let me just say , I totally understand what you mean when you say that this website changed your life.. It has has the same exact impact on me.. I was skeptical of all this OBE stuff at first as well and even after having a few of my own I still wasnt convinced it was more than a dream until I happened to start proving to myself without a shadow of a doubt that at times the OBEs were very real and I was able to see things that I wouldnt normally know was there on the other side of my bedroom wall and so far I've had at least 3 separate occasions where I went "out" and saw some things and verified them.. although they all happened kind of accidently .. I know there must be a way to tune in to the correct physical realm instead of the one that just looks sorta like this one but with things in odd places and stuff..  If you think that OBE was amazing.. wait till you have a few more that completely ensure yourself that this phenomena is truly real.  This website and everyone on the forums should pat themselves on the back if they have even helped one person in the smallest bit because that little bit of help goes a long way when it comes to this stuff. 

Glad to see your having success Keep it up!

Hey fellas .. this is kinda new for me.. Lately I've been dreaming things and when I wake up they show up in some kind of way that very day.  Heres an example of a day I dreamed 2 things and both happened that same day upon waking up..

1st dream--=  I was holding a baby kitten .. the color was a very unique looking gray/silver color and in my dream I was admiring it's color overall... I hate cats..

2nd dream--= I was holding a gun and aiming at some random targets throughout my house (pictures,furniture, etc..)

When I woke up .. it took about 2 hours for the first dream to come true.. it happened when I met someone who lives next door to me in the apartments.. she was letting her dog out and we just made small-talk and I asked if the dog bites... she says "Not but let me get the one that does" .. and she brings out her cat.. SAME EXACT COLOR as the kitten in my dream.. yet this was an older cat...

The second dream showed up later that day when I went to the mall... the national guard or whatever set up a tent in the mall.. inside this tend was a huge LCD screen and you can shoot a lifelike assault rifle at this screen at targets... I was asked to try it but I nicely refused stating... "Its ok .. I did it already" which a slight chuckle ..heh..

My concern is .. I'll have many dreams some nights.. they are very random.. Some long , some short .. some fun.. some scary .. and the rest.. just .. odd...    What I'm concerned about is the fact that .. the dreams that DO show up somehow .. arent exactly what I dreamed.. Like , the baby kitten showed up as an adult kitten.. I'm greatful for having these premonition type dreams.. but I'm not sure which ones will come true and which wont..

One day I dreamed of being in the back of a garbage truck which in my dream looked more like a dump truck with a trash compactor on it .. but anyway .. I was being crunched up with all the trash around me and all I could see was my parents in front of me , just out of harms way.. They were looking at me as if they knew it was the last time they would see me and I couldnt get away from the situation I was in .. I just embraced death and asked for it not to hurt as the darkness consumed my vision and I woke up....
When I went outside I saw a blue dumptruck parked directly outside of an apartment window .. very odd place.. and when I saw it was blue .. it made me think of the truck in my dream.. I'm not sure if I saw the color of it in my dream but the size was pretty accurate and even the location was pretty accurate.. it was like in my dream I was in that dumptruck.. by that apartment window .. but of course no trash compactor and no junk in it's trunk.. heh..

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could I dunno.. work on this ability in some way?  My dreams so far have never been exactly like how they show up during the day but they are happening too often for me to not think they arent premonition-like...

Thanks fellas

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is a good spot too I guess .. thats where I asked as well Peace

phew.. if your light was responsible for last night I'm really thanking you because I had a major day with my girlfriend who is possibly pregnant with my baby and she ended up doing something to make me upset and wouldnt realize she was taking a risk or at least wouldnt admit it for a while yesterday and I ended up leaving and getting to a payphone and all kinds of stuff.. it really was amazingly scary and at the same time it cleared a lot of smoke around my life .. I lost a person I thought was being a good friend but in turn was trying to get in my pants .. lol.. I'll leave it at that ..  and she realized her Ex was doing the same when she took a ride with him to get a "jack" for his car .. C'mon .. anyway .. If that was the way for me to see the light then thanks .. but it definately created a small patch of fog somewhere I'm still trying to heal..  Peace and thank you much!

thank you.. I was told by two really knowledgeable people from another forum .. and they even said something about using love and light energy and said that it is always good so I'll take that info and look further into it.  Thanks a bunch for your input bro

knightlight , you may have gotten the wrong impression about me.. I've studied much into this drug and its dangers .. I agree I failed to disclose that taking cough medicine recreationally might come with its "risks" but .. phew.. i someone here doesnt know that then they dont need to dabble with "highs" at all =/   I have been to many FAQs and each thing mentioned about olney's legions .. the enzyme defficiency I knew about already .. I hope noone thinks that even doing the tripple C's or even the syrup JUST containing DXM is safe because its not especially if you fall under the category of people who have the enzyme defficiency or are just the type of person to wig out by losing all feeling of your body and simply being taken into another world..  

What im saying is .. I know the risks .. and anyone interested in using DXM recreationally should have half a brain first to at least THINK its dangerous.. then use the other half to research about it before taking it and being "enlightened" a little like I feel I have.   Its interesting and potentially useful but its not a weak drug by any means and should not be taken lightly.  

Peace!

thanks Misterjingo for providing some caution information about DXM.. I understand the risks and have heard about each risk associated with DXM and its use recreationally and even down to the enzyme deficiency but I failed to post any of that info and I should have beat you to the point.  There is one other type of source for DXM that some say should NOT be used recreationally and that is Coricidin Cold and Cough pills which contain double the miligram dosage of Robitussin cough Gel pills but they also contain a small (4 mg) dosage of Chlorpheniramine Maleate which is said to be the dangerous part of doing Coricidin Cough and Colds (tripple C's) to trip or get a high.  I , for one , chose to ignore that and I notice nothing from taking even a 35-45mg dosage of the Chlorpheniramine Maleate so maybe its not as bad as people say but its still a warning to heed because everyone's chemical makeup is different.  I really think this chemical should be explored more for its spritual and empathetic type of emotions one goes through while experiencing the trip... I guess someones gotta start somewhere... I'll be sure to post another experiment when I do it with my next trip and meditation experiment.  

Peace

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Hello everyone , well.. it looks like the time might be here..my partner might be pregnant and I'm now stuck with a very important question... first let me explain a bit about myself..

I turned 20 recently and i've been interested astral projection and energy manipulation for quite some time now (2-3 years)... I'm able to make people feel my energy as either heat , tingling , pressure, ...pleasure..hehe .. and have even noticed that I may have healing qualities as well because I've been able to cure a very bad migraine headache from my mother for a good hour almost and she firmly believes it was my energy work that relieved it.  I'm to the point where I've scared people with how strong my energy is .. especially when creating heat for some reason. I know this because I've created some strange sensations in people ... once I had a guy who wanted me to try it on him and what I had in mind was to scare him with intense heat since he was my friend and had kinda been making fun of it all and sure enough , it burned the crap out of him enough to...well..make him move to the back of the bus .. permanently lol.. What I can control is a strong force when I want it to be and for that I'm almost a little iffy on whether or not I should try anything on my partner energywise with this unborn..although at times I know my energy will ..penetrate her aura or whatever simply because I feel a connection with her just by hugging her so I cant help it ..  I , for the most part , am able to control the feeling I want the other to feel but I am scared because some people feel it differently or some dont feel it at all and this leads to my question..  

If my partner is pregnant with my unborn child.. is it a good idea or not to try to send loving and even healing energy to this child in hopes of it developing properly and recieving my loving energy the best way I know how to?  

Please give me some input on this because it is important to both me and my somewhat still skeptic girlfriend of mine hehe.  Shes new to all this energy stuff and OBE stuff and so she agreed to let me post here first before trying anything (energy wise) even on her now that she knows she might be pregnant.  I thought I would get some more ideas.. what do you guys think?

This was something that happened back in Feb of 05 and I figured I'de post it here to see what some people say about it .. noone else replied to the thread back in the day so .. what do you guys think of this? And has anyone ever tried the same thing so try to lift others out of their body through a guided meditation?  It worked for me .. it was freaky.


When I leave my body it is definately a real feeling. The vibrations sorta feel like chills but without the goosebumps and the chill (shivering) feeling lasts a few seconds instead of just an instance. For me the vibes feel like one loong chill that starts weak at first then it may stop completely then a sec later it starts up again.. each time it gradually gets longer until I'm ready to make an effort to leave my body. I go in and out of paralysis it seems.. When I used to project from a sitting position in my desk at school I used my subconcious mind to help me sort of ... fall out of my body once it hit paralysis... or really it just felt like I was slipping off to one side of my desk and each time I'de try to center my back on the chair it would instantly click back into place.. it took a bit of trial and error to realize WHAT it was at first. I then started to figure out ways to use it to my advantage... Combining sleep deprivation and listening to my teacher's lectures while sitting up in my desk seemed to be all I needed to do... I'de then just wait to feel like iwas sliding out my desk and with much guts and "I dont care anymore" attitude I just let myself fall out the desk one day only to realize that I just made a clean smooth separation and simply floated to the floor.

Its a very real feeling.. vibes were felt when I started to feel as though I was sliding out the desk but I think I was sometimes able to focus more on the falling feeling and the vibes werent really felt , but all I had to do was change my focus a bit maybe towards the physical body and I felt them just as strong as a projection from laying on my back. Astral projection is definately something that is challenging for me.. its taught me much about my body's sleep stages and its better *by far* than any drug I've explored yet heh..

PS: (Feel free to remove if its necessary) I've been experimenting with many legal and over the counter highs and I've found something interesting when I combined Robitussin and marijuana. I've always been able to make psi balls easier when high and the robo even enhanced it further so when me and 2 friends got together , we were intoxicated by robo and high and I was itching to see if they wanted to feel some more psi energy like they did the previous nights while they were sober. Well.. to make a long story short , I ended up asking them if they would like me to try to guide them through an astral projection by doing energy work to their whole body and gently talking them out. The experiment was a success and it freaked us all out. I opened a chakra in their palms first then asked them if they felt it and what it felt like and sure enough , they said they were feeling something penetrate their hand and go up their arm.. well.. that was good enough for me. I kept that up and pushed energy through their arms , chest , legs , everywhere one at a time and after I was confident that they were deep enough in relaxation and enough energy was pumping through them *It was so strong!* , I centered all the energy in their body that I could manipulate into their chest. Once I centered all of what I felt radiating from them into their chest , I sorta did some kind of mortal combat sould ripping thing *not really but I felt like I was doing a fatality heh* ... err.. anyway , I drew it all into a ball in their chest and gently lifted it out and told them to lift and enjoy the experience but come back shortly after so they would remember it (just in case)... well.. after about 15 secs I decided to wake my friend up and it scared the crap out of me.. I thought he was dead because he would not respond even when my voice raised to a small shout.. I litereally had to slap him awake. When he awoke , he was all wide-eyed and in total awe saying how he felt his chest raise up and he soon saw the room and me sitting there by him and my friend in the other part of the room , all that good stuff.

I'll be experimenting with my ability to astral project while high on various things just to see what kind of results I get. Robo has proven to be a very interesting meditation aid and I'm not through with it yet. Now that this happened with my friends .. I think I need to study it a bit more.

yet another post by Kiwibonga that I find interesting...  He really hits my beliefs nail on the head when he spoke about percieving reality Out-of-Body ... thats a good way to put it.   I too have had a few light switches not work for me in my dreams as well and it was even during a projection that I call one of my "proven" projections... right around the time I got to my "working but non-working" lightswitch at the time  , I heard the voices of my nieces playing down the hall and I realized that I didnt know they should have been coming down this weekend.  The room was an unnatural golden/orange glow and it was a way i've never seen my room (7:50 am .. Im never awake that early)  so when I ended the OBE willingly all that I've seen and heard was true perfectly.  It was amazing and it just goes to show you that even though I had reality fluctuations .. I still proved something I wouldnt have normally known without being awake at the time or whatever... so that should be an interesting read for a lot of people now that I think about it eh ??  Should illeviate a few mental "blocks" some people might  have as well.. just from me realizing it kinda helps me to alleviate my own block that even though reality fluctuations are occuring out-of-body I shouldnt end my experience thinking "oh crap i'm in the alice and wonderland effect again" .

hope this was an eye opener to someone   Peace!

Hey CandyKoRn ,  for me , sleep paralysis is just about the only way I can ever fully have an out of body experience.  It is a state that I have trouble reaching though ... I usually fall asleep before or during this paralysis state and would just LOVE to know how soo many people reach this state with ease instead of falling asleep.

 If you are able to reach the paralysis state often then I would suggest experimenting with moving your subtle energy body around .. or read up on the NEW technique for moving energy throughout your body if you are unfamiliar with it.. Try to move your astral body out of your physical one once you reach the paralysis state by combining a sort of .. visualization of yourself moving with an actual energy pushing or shifting that the N.E.W. energy ways would teach you how to move.. you know what im sayin?  thats the best way I can explain it at the moment...   I posted somewhere how I exited through paralysis in great deal.. if I come accross it again through search I'll post it in your PM or something but for the most part its combining a visual of yourself moving with very little physical effort as well and it just sort of makes the shift on its own and it feels like slowly peeling through plastic wrap and a syrup coating.. Its slow and eery until you reach a few feet away from your body then you simply become free of that gooey feeling and its much easier to move/concentrate/function.  Its amazing and I really believe its the best way to enter the RTZ or real time zone that everyone here speaks about.  Other projection attempts occur sometime after your body has started dreaming.. this is like .. one of the best ways to experience whats really around your current physical body until you slip into the inevitable Alice in Wonderland effect .. but doing some simple awareness exercises like .. for me would be .. to focus on an object and observe its colors and its size and shape and especially TEXTURE for some reason.. this kinda gets rid of any feelings of being "woken up" or losing the aware state you might be in if your familiar with your awareness dimming while out of body.    

I hope this all helps.. feel free to PM me and ask any questions you need.   Peace!

Thanks for your input .. one thing I can say is I definately dont have a fear of crowds cause I went crowd surfing a TOOL concert before and loved it!  But I do believe these feelings are or at least have been increasing for quite some time now.. If anyone has any ideas maybe for how to lessen these feelings and only feel them more by will then please let me know.. maybe a shielding of my aura of some sort?  I've never tried or had much of a reson to do something like that before so I'de be kinda sketchy about it if I had to =/   Thanks again.

Lately i've been feeling kind of odd. I dont know what the source is but it seems like when i'm around certain people or when certain events occur I seem to feel almost nausious in my gut or where the tan-tien is supposed to be I guess..  I'm not too sure how to cope with this just yet.. The other night I went to a fair with my girlfriend and her family that I was around for the first time and immediately upon entering the fairgrounds I felt like I needed to leave or almost as if I was drawn to a spot or location but just couldnt pinpoint it...  It was the first time being in this town in a while and I met a lot of people I knew and seen an ex of mine and stuff like that but I dont think it was me coming across my ex that had this feeling brewing inside me.  I felt kind of spaced out the whole while and could hardly enjoy myself... i got to the point where I needed to leave my girl and take a quiet walk by myself to try to find the spot in which it felt like I needed to be.. almost like finding a hole to hide in during a war is what it felt like.  Maybe it was simply the environment .. Im not really one to enjoy being around large and potentially uncontrollable crowds but it sure was a first that I felt that strongly a feeling of needing to escape or locate a specific area of the fairgrounds.  

I have been getting quite nausious lately around meeting new people as well.. just getting close to some people make a new feeling happen inside me which is quite uncomfortable and it makes me worry that I would seem too strange around new people to even be myself and make a good impression.  Usually... or actually just about all the time I get these harsh feelings around people it is because they arent too good of people if you know what I mean.  I kinda think its a natural defense mechanism or some kind of extra sensory perception that has naturally developed in my  being rather quickly as of late.  Has anyone experienced this enhanced perception or intuition if you will?  I've always been one to pick out the good apples from the bad in a crowd of people but now its being coupled with nausia and almost physical stomache pains!?  

Please help me to figure this out for myself and maybe a way to cope/enhance/dismiss it ... whatever I need to do.  Thank you all!

Thanks very much Kiwibonga for replying

My problem is .. once the imagery stops I know I should be so close to paralysis or probably even in it already but lately its like my body just wont allow me to conciously advance to an OBE state because it seems like once I make some kind of effort to do so the trance state stops and I feel just like I would feel as if I got up , paced around , and lay right back down.  Basically it just feels like I'm wide awake again and no matter how much I try I cannot even get to the imagery or hypnagogic jerks anymore .. this feeling forces me to toss and turn over and thus ends up in me sleeping shortly after.

You see... when Im not trying to project I'll notice the jerks and imagery as well and fall asleep almost immediately after noticing them for a few minutes which is normal..

But when trying to project , I'll notice them as well but any kind of concious effort to go OBE whether its a visualization , or me trying to move my subtle energy body around to induce vibrations , seem to end the trance state and make me simply feel like I'll be laying there forever and ever and although I dont get physically uncomfortable .. its just a feeling of "OH MY GOD TURN OVER AND GO TO SLEEP ALREADY"  .. which is NOT what I want to do ... I few people have noticed this sudden urge to just reposition themselves for no reason and when ignoring this urge it drives them to utter madness and definately far from the asleep/awake border.. do you know what I'm trying to explain?  it might sound odd but its been my problem for the past year or so and I know this is my final if not one of my final obstacles to overcome before finally exploring the OBE state on a more daily or at least weekly basis instead of randomly every few months    

Thank for your help , if I'm unclear let me know and I'll try to clarify anything and answer some more questions for you if you wanna pry further into my situation.  I've been reading posts here for the past few hours today and I must say I took notice so your posts enought to do a search for the topics you post on and you definately know what you are talking about so I was very pleased to see you were  first to reply.. I've seen people like you show up here and unfortunately disappear abrubtly so try to stick around bud! You are a great help.

I'll be happy to elaborate on anything further if you are interested.  Peace!