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wow... That sounds like an extraordinary event... [:O]

Let me get this right...

You were almost awake, but could move around or.. were you like "semi-awake" or something but still functioning in real life?

quote:There was a loud ringing in my ears/body that raised to such a high-pitched frequency, I remember watching my mothers mouth move while she was talking to me but could not hear a word.As the rush moved up my body and to my head I felt my self rise above my body and into the sky.

The feelings you describe are clasic signature OBE sensations. So that must have been an OBE if anything.

What were you doing those days when you were in the "out of body/ half way in the body"

You dont have any [|)]narcoleptic[|)] tendancies, do you?



Sounds pretty wierd...hmm..

Yeah, I have to say that ROPE never did it for me, but many other techniques have... and yeah, now they dont. That pretty much stinks.

Its like the more you do one technique your body or mind or whatever builds up some sort of resistance to it. Thats realy makes things inconvenient when trying to master this thing. Its like one has to invent a new technique every time I want to project. [!]

I recently discovered the now known "Brain Technique" and it worked wonders (although I did'nt project coz I was'nt realy expecting it and was not prepared the FOOL I was! should have known better than to think that it would work just as well the next time... and of course it did'nt)

I realy dont know WHY its like this.  ...and I've already forgotten why I bothered to post a reply to this. hmm.
Well, at least tonight Im gonna try out my new "Playing guitar glued to the ceiling with a monkey screaming in my butt"-technique. []

...Wish me luck, guys

I swear I didnt kill'em... [:O]

I was just trying the Brain Method last night, just to see if it would do any good. And I was suprised and shocked of how effective it was. So much that I startet to laugh and had to abort [].

First I startet off by just lying on my back in my bed breathing in and out slowly for a few minutes. Then I moved my awareness to the inside of my brain. I tried to center it so that it would be paralel to my Brow Chakra. And after a while with just trying to find the right position, it just setteled there. After that everything pretty much went on its own. I could feel some contractions in my forehead, my Borw Chakra started activating as all hell, and the vibrations started comming in stronger and stronger, to the point where I almost could'nt feel my body anymore. I aborted cause I was laughing and I was'nt realy prepared to AP.
But all of this happened in just about 5min.
That is amazing!

Im gonna try this again, and so should YOU!(who ever reads this)[8D]

Not to burst any bobbles, but my personal experience with BW mp3's is that they keep you're awareness more awake. I have never experinced any direct influence during any of these kind of sessions like many would like to think (maybe some do?). But some of them make you relaxed just because of they're calm nature. To me it seems like any calm music would do.
When it comes down to actual conscious AP's its all about your techniques (breathing, feelings and imaginations). If BW helps you, then OK. But! I sure as hell would not depend on it as to be a tool. To me it just never did the trick. Im pretty sure there is more than just BW to create actual AP or OBE's. It unfortunatly goes a little deeper than that. But nobody KNOWS.
If there only was ONE answere...

It has happened to me once, too. I think that spontanous OBE can happen in almost any kind of position. I've had spontanous OBE's laying on the side. Although those seem to be short lived, and I've had very little control and the vision is poor. but the stomach one was very good.

Many here believe that you are out of body every night when you dream. I strongly doubt that, coz like you I have also become more frequently aware at the end of my dreams and have also observed that it is nothing like re-entry from an OBE at all. It feels like you are in your body, even though you can still se the dream, and its just a matter of opening your real eyes and there you are, awake. What I do believe on the other hand is that one can be out of body and then dream, or you can dream and the get out of body. I have experienced both of these things but Im not shure how this works. Think I need to do some research on that.
Point is, I do NOT belive that every dream is an OBE like many people here seem to think. But Im open for discussion...

I think you might be right. I've had OBE's where I would end up in places wich looked very real but could not have been a real environment. Based on the fact that eighter the place was simply to wierd or/and I could change the environment with my mind as I was interacting with it. But it would like all OBE's start of with the vibrations and the sensation of floating or falling out of my body. Its hard to say what's realy going on about this whole AP, OBE & LD thing, since we dont realy know the physics(if there is any) or the scientific nature of it. But I think that maybe all those 3 states have some relation to each other.

Religion and science as we know it does'nt realy go hand in hand, and the reason for that is that religion is based on belief, and science is based on the "know". I think I preffer the "know". I hope that in the future metaphysics will be comited to science and not somekind of religion or sects, coz then we will "know" what it is, not "believe".

When I become awake in dreams or when I have dream visions in the morning or something every time I try to read stuff, it always changes in to some symbols or other text as i try to read, just like you said about the clock. I have never experienced this in an OBE, but then again a have never tried to read anything in that state (maybe I should try that the next time). It is a fluctuation but it does'nt need to have anything with reality to do. Did you ask your mom if the dog was barking while she was in the kitchen? Im no expert, but maybe you where initially having an OBE wich then turned into a lucid dream. I have also heard that one can OBE but most of what you see is just a dream. Your mind makes up whatever it feel is right... Anyways, im starting to confuse myself, so maybe I should just go to bed and OBE my butt outa' here.
But after an OBE it can be wise to reality check it by if you saw someone doing something, ask them what they did. If it was the same as you saw then you know it was real. Im also starting to think that RTZ projections arent realy "Real Time" Zone projections. I have been OBE'ing at day and when Im out it would be night outside. Maybe there is also huge or small time fluctuations. Remote viewers are also known to have seen into the future but not far, though. Thats still pretty amazing.

Yeah, trying to OBE can actually be exausting in some way. It demands alot of will power and inner strenght to get it right. What ever you do, dont ever try to think about how nice it wold be to just turn on your side, that is the destroyer of all things. But thats hard. Im not saying that I never succumb to just rolling over. I do that alot when I feel demotivated. But then again trying to hard wont make things better. Its all about balance. It will happen one day...

Hey biba. What you said about the moving trough ceilings, I've experiensed the exact same thing on one of my first OBE's. I also had trouble gaining control but I managed to stop it. I think I ended up on the floor somewhere in my bedroom (not physicly), but the clarity of the vision was very low. I was probably just low on "energy" since I had an OBE only about half an hour before that one. It isnt always easy to have control over OBE's but I think you just have to stay focused and consentrated that usually works. Sometimes I just "go with the flow", wich is totaly contrary to my real life principles, but when it comes to OBE's thats ok http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

The last OBE's I had, my astral body had a tendancy to uncontrolably shot trough the ceiling or the sky (if I was outside) and then plunge right into the earth, after I had called it the quit. I think that was kinda fun actually since its not my physical body...

quote:I do have another question. Can some of you tell me how having OBEs have affected your lives?

Well to tell the truth, it did'nt realy change much of my life. But it gave me an answer to the question of "is it possible or not". Coz for a long time before I started with OBE's I've had kinda spiritual and mind awakenings to alternative truths. I think thats how I found my way to this subject anyhow. But the fist time I felt the "exit-phase" sensations I got realy scared and extatic, coz I had no idea how real this would be, and that it had physical effects too. And that was about a year before I actually OBE'd for the first time. When I first OBE'd I was kinda used to the hard feelings of exiting so I think its a good thing to maybe fail alot in the beginning coz then you can practice handeling your fears, as long as you dont get demotivated, that is.

When it comes to discussing this with others. Well after I first felt the exit sensations and when I first OBE'd, I wanted to tell everybody. And I did. Some people would give me wierd looks and most did'nt belive me. Sometimes they would just deride my stories as dreams. I few people did kinda belive me but was skeptical, wich is understandable since its not anything many people know much about at all. Thats why its good to have this forum.

Hello, freespirit. Fear is just part of the deal (a minor one if you ask me). There is alot more to be concerned about when it comes to actulay achieve an OBE. But the fear is what you are confrontet with when it comes to that. It is just a matter of letting the curiosity win over the fear. Fear is just a instinct of not knowing whats going to happen. Trust me, whatever happens its worth ignoring the fear and just go with it. You will know.

This sounds like it could have been the start of a spontanous OBE.

I always get the metalic blinging sounds when I leave my body. This always happens during the falling(exit)-phase. I agree with Jeff, I think you should just let things happen. Keep on breathing the way you are doing on that point and dont try to pay to much attention. Just let it flow. When you get out THEN rais your attention, and you will be amazed how real everything is http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

Actulay I realy dont know (so maybe i should'nt speak) but I know that usually when your body goes to sleep it shuts down most of the muscles like the arms and legs. But I can only guess that when sleep walking occurs, that function has failed in some way. I have no idea how the transformation from sleep to suddenly be sleepwalking happens. A sleep walker kinda looks like s/he is awake(wich obviously is not the case) since they are walking steadily and with their eyes open. And they are still able to navigate in a house perfectly. This must mean that the brain gets impressions though sight and are able to react and handle situations to some extent. But since the brain is not avake it must be the subconscious mind wich does all that, and thats kinda facinating, actually. But since we can handle and stuff in a dream state wich has an environment that surrounds you. Then why should'nt it be able to do so in a real environment.

This is interesting, and I also want to know more about this...

Yeah I hate when that happens. I leave my body and then the "you got mail"-messenger pops up in the lower right corner of my vision, from "XXX horny housewifes"... nah Im just kiddin. Sounds like a kool xperienz http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0> The butterfly could have just been a product of your subconsciousness needing to prosses all the impresions you get on your everyday, you know. Just like when you dream.

I dont know if this counts but I've experienced hot burning sensation (god!! I hate using that word for some reason...) under my feet while using the NEW techniques (the brushing technique). When It comes to the screaming and the noises, I always experience loud noices when I project. One time I could hear myself scream because of the rush. I dont know if I actually made a sound physicaly. Nobody was around to notice. ...Or maybe someone did hear it but just did'nt care. Were I come from, its totaly normal when somebody suddenly scream and wail in agonizing death.      

Well, actually.... no.   Whats my point? I dont know......    Im out!

Hey Anne, I've also been having spontanous OBE's the last months. The first was about a year ago. But since I did'nt realy know what it was, It totaly scared the living astral-crap out of me. Then a few months ago I had my first OBE were I did know what was going on, and It was realy awesome. I had had many short OBE's in a row, and got to experience different OBE's of different quality. Since then I have it once a week or so. It truly is something to appreciate.

Welcome to the club! http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

Yes, writing it down does help. And I have been doing it for quite a while before I had OBEs and this vision. But still there is always holes in my memory.

Yes I agree with what y'all are saying. But then I must say I cant get any sense of all this OBE stuff. Well, like I said this was not an OBE, it was just a morning vision, but it seems to be quite relatet when it comes to the reality of it. The fluctuiasions and all. When I was watching the books I was realy "concentrating" on the titles to read letter by letter what they were coz I thought that would prevent my subconscios mind to make up anything. Thats why I was very "conscious" and focusing on em. I might (and kinda hope) Im wrong but if I didnt focus and stay conscious on the letters, my subconscious mind would have just put something there anyways wich looks like text but when looked closely at its actually nothing, and then the subconscious will take whatever the conscious mind is sugesting and puts it there instead in realtime as I m thinking it (phew...). But this also raises a question the whole reality of the astral world. But I wont even begin to think about that since I dont have that much experience and there is... well.. SO MUCH http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>







...all this stuff realy makes you think does'nt it...

I can get that. But the way I see (not that I know much about this) but it seems when you're  dreaming, its your subconscious mind who takes charge. That is why you do alot of crazy things wich you normaly would not do, and are barely a spectator of whats happening, and remember that way to. But  what happens to the exit and reentry sensations. Do we still experience them when we're asleep or do they just go strong when we are "aware". When I have had spontanous OBE's, I wake up because of the strong falling sensations. I have never woken up and just found my self out of body.
I have however found myself awake in I dream wich then became a lucid dream, but to me that is quite different. In a dream or better yet a lucid dream I can do everything I want, only the thoughts are the limit, but when Im in an OBE there seems to be many limits. Not compared to the physical world but I dont have as much control as I would in a dream.
Example: I cant "walk" in an OBE. Only fly. And sometimes I cant even fly where I want the "wind" just take me somewhere. There is some resistance when you thurst trough matter. I cant move any physical objects when Im in an OBE. These things never happens in dreams or lucid dreams. In lucid dreams you can do everything. Although OBE's can be very affected visually by the subconscious.
This is where I stall. I must laugh cuz when I started getting into this I thought I would get some answers by actually getting OBE's, but whenever I got my precious answer it came with a 100 more questionshttp://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

What does that mean? That every dream is a projection? I know many says that we project every night but what is the point or purpose of it if we are not wake or cant even remeber it. It all seem's so illogical. The word conscious to me means "awake" and "have the ability to think and figure out" just like the state Im in when Im writing this, wich is not the state Im in when I dream. I do believe that its posible to project with out being "fully" awake. I just have a hard time accepting that I have projectet and had the exit-reflex almost every night and I dont even have slight memory of it. To me thats like driving on a lonesome road and suddernly you hit a cow, and just keep driving and did'nt even notice.

But my point with this topic was to see if anyone had experienced multiple OBE's or OBE-frenzies wich is the state when the OBE's just wont quit. Even if you just wanna go back to sleep, but just keep being kicked out.
It could be intresting to know, coz Im trying to map what the ideal conditions for this state is. Like what food to eat that day or how many ours of sleep before, or amount of water to drink  or anything wich could help to make this achievable at any time. I dont mean in exact numbers but just something wich could lead somewhere.

I believe that if you wake up after a suposed OBE and you might be paralized or feeling strong or some re-entry sensations, something unusual has happened like an OBE. However there might be a posibility that you might OBE without your mind being fully awake. That you are actually having an OBE but your mind and subconscious-mind are just playing along with it as if it was a dream. I would also asume that this will lead to extreme reality-fluctuations. Usually the strong exit-sensations would wake up the sleeper but sometimes they're not so strong, and if the sleeper is quite used to these feelings he might not be as alarmed by it as he would otherwise. It is very important that when you have OBE's that you have certain keywords or points to check if you are realy awake.