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Hi Lucidreality

Thanks for taking the time to reply.  I just want to say that I had already gone past the 'breathing' and 'relaxing' stage, when I lost sensation of everything 'physical' and began to dissolve into nothing.  Focussing on my breathing would bring me back to the physical.  My aim is to stay at the 'non physical' state.

Again thanks for your reply.

Best wishes
Venus

Thanks for your thoughts Lighten!!  I'll look for the other thread you mentioned...

Cheers
Venus

Thank you so much both Stookie and Token!!  I have taken note of your advice.

best wishes
Venus

Early last week, I had a very vivid dream, very engaging and emotional...

I was preparing for an exam of some sort, and been checking into a luxurious hotel to study in a quiet room (very strange, I know!).  I would study, enjoy the peace in my room, which sometimes looks like a garden as well, and sometimes I would see the most amazing view from the window - a river, greenery etc

In my dream, I knew that it was a weekday, and that on Saturday (yesterday) I had a big birthday party in this same hotel.  (I had my real birthday a few weeks ago).  I had already invited lots of people for this party, but not prepared at all because I was focussed on my studies.  Then my friends came to visit me at the hotel and said that I must be very rich or wasting good money paying for hotel rooms just to study.  And I kept on saying to them it's only £21 per day, and that's because I'm only using it daytime.  We also talked about my forthcoming party and I told them I was planning to wear a dusky pink gown (had a picture of it in my mind) and that I will be giving away pink pearl necklaces to all my female guests (!).

Anways that was my dream last week.  I thought about it a lot and forgot it this weekend, until I caught myself singing 'Happy Birthday to you' earlier on today - totally out of the blue!

What's going on?  Why did it feel like me in the dream and why was I was emotionally engaged in it?  I'm not rich at all! lol  And most of all, why am I spontaneously singing happy birthday? Is it possible that someone is sending me a message, or maybe I'm living a parallel life?  (I've heard that the soul can split into two sometimes and incarnate as two people)

Any other thoughts?

Venus

Hi guys - here's a question to experienced APers...

This morning I dedicated some time to attempt OBE and although I didn't leave my body I had the most amazing vibrations.  I seemed to be dissolving into nothing.  I knew I was safe, but as soon as my attention was drawn to 'what was actually happening', I would come out of it altogether.  So it was a bit annoying not to be able to go all the way through.

I had also asked for assistance from my helper, and I kept on getting this image of water dripping and forming ripples.  As I looked at the ripple, I was automatically sucked into it, and I realise it's a tunnel. Having been in tunnels before, I knew this was a good sign, but again I would become conscious, and get back to square one!

Can anyone shed a light on how I can stop being conscious and just go with the flow?  I am not scared of APing (I have done it before).

Thanks for your advice!

Venus

am confused now 

Creator of the Universe is male.  And he walks away from it as if he's not part of it anymore, and he doesn't care.  Someone you randomly met claims to be son of a Norse mythological God  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki) and has a major role to play in the 2012 Earth shift.  To top it off, you've never projected before. 

Most of us on this site, including myself, have projected and experienced the astral and are pretty open minded as Interception said, but your story here doesn't add up, I'm afraid.  Maybe it's the way it's coming out - human language is not always an efficient medium of communication especially of things that are out of this world.

I'm still listening and would be grateful if you could go over some of the details.

best wishes
Venus

I have yahoo noticing me when any one posts, its actually really cool. Yay technology.

I believe, YWHW to be effectively dead (shred to bits) and his name being attributed to an unreal concept that we know as God.

I find that story of a shape shifter a bit hard to believe. It kind of has a weird quality to it. Serdyn goes from avatar to avatar, very much an ordinary human except for a lot of spiritual oddities.

My thoughts on the last paragraph? Would you be speaking of Creator?

Hi Clockwork, sorry I'm on a different time zone so that's why you didn't hear from me last night.  I do not doubt the shape shifter story as it's written by a very credible person.  Dr Vieira established the International Academy of Consciousness and is a respected figure in the field (www.iacworld.org). 

Yes I mean Creator.  I don't know who or what it is, but somebody put together a plan and pure energy which kicked off life as we know it.  I like the idea of all of us together, as one soul, as I personally feel part of the Creator and the Created.

I'm enjoying reading your posts by the way; and I'd like to learn more about which realm you're going to! 

Venus.

Thanks for the prompt reply Clockwork.

I tend not to use the word God as the immediate picture I get is the Christian God, that humans have created from the image of themselves, a vengeful short-tempered and all-powerful being who can and will destroy you for your 'sins'.

I think your contact is a highly evolved being.  And I would consider Jesus to be in that category as well.  Also, I have read in Dr Vieira's diary of projections that he met this androgenous person who has been on earth for some 800 years.  This being is able to change his/her body shape anytime and moves from country to country to avoid being detected.  He/she does not eat or have sex - said that stopped ages ago.  Obviously this person is here to educate people and is doing that as a university lecturer.  

Saying that, I guess the physical laws that everyone have to abide by must have been created by someone or something.  Pure energy exists for our manipulation as well, and that must have come from somewhere.  I would consider the creator of this and our ultimate home to be God or the source.  Not sure what your thoughts are on this.

Thanks for sharing and I'd love to hear more.

Venus

Before we move on with this question I must ask what religious affiliation would you best identify with? I know it seems to be an odd question but my meaning will be clear soon.

I understand.  I like to call myself 'spiritual' as the division between religions is 'man made' which has been polarising people and societies and is getting a bit out of control - and I don't really want to get involved.  I was brought up as a Christian and have been a good one until about 10 years ago.  These days I read metaphysical books, meditate, attend psychic/healing, OBE classes (and attempt OBE of course! I've had 3 so far and several paranormal experiences) and I come in here to learn from the pros.  I'm pretty open minded.  Is that sufficient info?

No one cared enough to do any proper research so little is known or my contacts care little of scientific curiosity to relay any research that has been done.

Hey Clockwork, I'm very curious.  Who are your contacts?  Thanks in advance.

Venus

i'm listening.

Me too.

thanks this is very useful Alan.  I think there's a lot of truth in your first post.  Tayesin, I'd have loved to read your post too as you always come up with such good stuff but couldn't get myself to read any more "deadie" - a bit creepy.

great thread all in all. thank you.

Venus

LOL.     sounds like OP's theories are based on rumour and myth.  very amusing.

When astrally projected it is said that on a fundamental level petty things such as posession or trading bodies is of no interest. Also I advise that one should become adept in the art of astral projection before taking on such tasks as this. the OP obviously hasnt even had a OOBE yet so to surmise that this is even remotely possible is folly.

-13

Spot on 13!  That's what I said too.

guys, what you need to know is when someone gets to the level of projecting, it means that they have reached a high level of evolution, so he/she will not get involved in bettings and challenges.  In other words, people AP for their personal spiritual advancement - not to prove what they can do to others.  The latter is about ego.

I can confirm that there are very highly advanced APers on this site.  But they will not get involved in your betting games.

If you want to learn, ask them, listen, apply, practice and you'll get there.  And when you get there, you'll know what I mean.

best wishes
Venus

HI Ansub

I think you have some fears about OBE.  It does sound like you are looking for and presenting the case against OBE, so you can feel comfortable about not attempting OBE. 

Whatever anyone says will not make a difference now.  You will change when you are ready.

However, I will say that most of the conclusions you have come to are based on assumptions which you have decided to take as fact.  A lot of experienced APers have validated the existence of the silver cord, and all of them would tell you AP is very safe.  But like I said above, no one can make you believe in anything.  You will AP with confidence when you're ready.

Good luck
Venus

Wow 13!  That's a whole lot of valuable information!  Thank you so much.  I hope one of those will get me out of my body LOL 

Hey guys

I tried the free hemi sync once and ended up with ringing ears, which I understand is not a good sign (not healthy).  So I stopped.  It was quite uncomfortable as well.

I think the Monroe Institute also sell CDs but probably quite pricey...

Cheers
Venus

Explorer, I don't mean to scare you, but if you expect to see her, you will see her.  It's as simple as that. 

Our thoughts are very powerful especially in the astral. So whenever you think about this lady, you send out energy to her, attracting her to you. And she will likely be there when you AP.

Do yourself a favour and start thinking about what you want to do/see when you AP.  Actually it is recommended to have a goal, and ideally to write it down before you AP.

Good luck

Venus

Thanks Petal!!  I have fully recovered now 

Grey, you got your response already.  Projections of the Consciousness is only 240 pages.  http://www.iacworld.org/English/Publications/Eng/ProjectionsOfTheConsciousness.asp 

The other book, Projectiology, is like an encyclopeadia of AP. I have one and only use it as a reference.  Apparently Dr Vieira is currently working on another reference book and is looking for interpreters; in case anyone here is interested... 

Thanks all.  Interesting.  I wasn't sure if it was an appropriate question in the first place; but am pleased to receive your replies.

hmmm... food for thought ...

hi all

I'm not sure where I read about this, probably James Redfield's books... and William Buhlman also asks the question (but doesn't provide answer).

Anyway, do you think there is such a thing as sex in any other dimensions?  If so, what purpose does it serve? If not, why not. 

Just curious.

Venus

Hey Grey

Unlike Mattoid, I'm pretty sure this was an OBE.

You might be interested to know that Dr Waldo Vieira recorded a similar OBE in his book "Projections of the consciousness".  He wasn't attacked, but visited a very scary place accompanied by a helper/spirit guide.  This place was full of vicious astral dogs who chase and scare away people going anywhere near (including those wondering about in their sleep).  He discovered that a highly evolved being lived in this negative place, someone who has voluntarily taken the task of training and taming these wild dogs (actually they look like dogs but they're consciousnesses who are on the negative side of the scale).  The purpose of his trip was to meet this angelic being who told him that a lot of people come in their sleep, get chased away by the scary dogs, wake up and say they just had a nightmare!

Also from my readings (William Buhlman), I can say that some of the fearsome beings we meet on the other side are mostly representations of our own fears.  Such OBEs happen to make you aware of your own blocks, and how to get over them.

Hope this helps.

Venus

Thanks Prophazuh (what an unusual name - does it mean anything?)

What I know is, I was quite emotional, and emotion (or frustration) was what made me leap out at the men, then fly to the sky. At that point, I started making decisions on what to focus on and where to fly to - which is why I said I may have been conscious.  Towards the end, I run out of energy and couldn't fly or jump as I wanted, so I panicked (somehow, I thought the authorities were after me).

From what I read, apparently sometimes we visit astral places whether we are sleeping or in semi-lucid state. Sometimes, not always. (Ref: Robert Monroe, Ultimate Journey, and Dr Waldo Vieira, Projections of the Consciousness).

So now you know why I'm confused....