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I recently have had an unbelievable string of bad luck.  I never really thought myself to be susceptible to 'negs' and the like, but things have been really strange for me lately.  I've had major anxiety, nightmares, flat tires, a bird flew against my bedroom window and woke me up.(the light was shining through my curtains and I could only see it's sihlouette{sp?} with its wings spread and definitely appeared to be trying to get inside like uh i dunno..pecking violently and stuff!)  I really do FEEL like something isn't right!  I know enough to trust my intuition and I don't care who thinks I'm crazy, something is wrong.  I can't put my finger on it and I don't know where it's coming from.  I don't really know what to do.  The best way for me to describe it is like I have an extra shadow.  Does this make sense to anyone at all???  I appreciate all responses.
-monica

My friend here would like to address some interesting things she has encountered....I also listen to art bell and I have been having obe's since i was 6 months old and I am 24 now. I have been through poltergeist to anything you can dream of but in the last 5 years I have been through what you call wildlife on art bell. now I have tried to look up what I see I never can find it. These are not negative they remind me of underwater wildlife. alien like. I have seen etheric huge spiders to long tapeworm things that poke me usually to my head or eyes. electricity flows through me hard when they appear. the tapeworm looking things change shape to look like tornados to spring like your bed spring and they straighten out. understand I have been having complete obe controll for a long time I have encountered many things to aliens to ghosts to demons. and underworld creatures and deities. I am not crazy but I cant type all the things that happen to me. I would like to know if any body else expierienced similar things. and info is apreciated. I also expierince this on a daily level. not in my controll and i want to block some of it out. PLEASE.  thankyou
                                 Ginger

Ceriel,  I really liked what you had to say....about no super natural, but natural.

you rock.

monicat

Thanks for the responses.  I will never forget the experience.

I really don't feel that they were there in a friendly way.  
The webs I would knock down were huge and thick.  Not like something you would encounter naturally.

Do you know more about these spider enteties?

There were many other unusual things that happened and continue to happen in that house.

I have also had other experiences with shadowy figures.  Only one out of several have been "friendly" (as it goes he was a little on the 'dark' side lol).

Anyway I would love to hear more if anyone has insight or similar experiences they would like to share.

-Monicat

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that in your dream you saw the time and woke up in bed and the time was the same? Or were you still dreaming then too??

I have odd things happen like this too.

I have dreams that I am in bed, in my room, and that I can't fall asleep...which SUCKS! Because I really think I'm awake and it doesn't make for a restful night of sleep at all.

I learned that I sometimes sleep with my eyes open, or my eyes open a little while I'm dreaming and then close again.  So many odd things like you described have happened to me too.

I think maybe your eyes were popping open.  Like, in your dream you awoke at work and needed to know the time, and somehow your mind knew to look at the clock by your bed.

I will say it is no fun having a nightmare and having your eyes pop open....Because things seem to run together and it can be intense.

Hope this helps!-Monicat

This is a fun topic.  When I have a lucid dream, I can't seem to do anything except fly.  It is annoying when I wake up because I think of all the other things I could have done with the experience.

I go, 'oh cool, I'm dreaming! I should fly!' Previously, I could just take off.  Now though, I have to jump a few times before I can get started. Like I have to be high enough up to maintain a cruising altitude.lol  

Another thing that happens to me... My friends will be in the dream. And I'm lucid so I know I'm dreaming.  But for some reason, I just know they can see me...like they really are there.  So I try to show them that I can fly.  They don't believe me, so I do it.  I'm like..'Hey, check out all my majesty!' Then I wake up and I'm so dissapointed that I can't really fly, because it seems soo real.  It's soo great though.

Does anyone have any suggestions for staying grounded in a lucid dream?

I can hear my great-grandparents laughing so hard right now.  What a foolish thing for someone to put on a website.  I really wish the majority of 'christians' would get it together. aaakk

That's what is so interesting about the statement.. Love under will.

Let's go back a step...Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.  Love is the law,love under will.  There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.

If do what thou wilt is the law and synonymously love is the law, then wouldn't love guide one's will??

I don't think it means put your will before your true knowledge of right and wrong...like an anything goes sort of concept.

I don't think the statement Love under will needs to be altered in any way either. Out of context, maybe. But, in context I think it makes sense.

just a thought.

also,  i think i'm going to be shunned by all as a center of pestilence for discussing this.  Hope not.

I'm not really one to assume 'neg' involvement over just anything either.  It's just been a whole string of bad luck really.  No I don't have the books but I surely intend on getting them. The things I've been describing have all been really abrupt as well.  I would get into it more on a PM basis if you are interested.  Thanks

Women tend to be highly emmotional, more so than men.  Also, more intuitive due to our nurturing instincts.  Men somehow trade that in for more physical strength.  Women also have major fluctuations in energy levels throughout the month and are more connected to the moon and tides.  Does this make us better?? Who knows... interesting topic though.

I really don't think those girls did anything wrong.  He had it coming.  I would've done the same thing.  What he did was sick and wrong and I don't even like the fact that this man gets to breathe the same air as me much less be let to walk around violating the rights of women and children.  It is totally hilarious and a bit ironic really.  But I think those girls took a situation where they were victimized and turned it into a positive and empowering experience.  They know now that they can fight and don't have to be submissive little 'good girls'.  It's great.

hello??  anyone??

Psypunk...I'd just like to point out that usually when kids get themselves into trouble, it's usually due to a lack of parental supervision.  For instance...WHY THE HELL WERE YOU STANDING ON THE ROOF WITH A CAT? LOL And that's exactly my point..their are many other ways to deal with kids. Yes I realise this may be more time consuming and all...but that's what it takes.

stguru..I appreciate your response and your point of view.  I got a really rough time as a kid and I can relate.I also grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood..() we were poor and I was in handmedowns..it was really awful. But it wasn't the end of the world (maybe it seemed like it at the time)but I am okay!(oh and I got confused about the yr. bsh sr. was elected..sorry, im an butt! but you still aren't that far ahead of me!)lol

I still stand by all of my points, psypunk..my parents spanked me too and we're fine but just because I'm okay doesn't make it right. Their is another way to live and people need to learn how, it starts with our children. RIGHT ON RIGHT ON!!

OKAY IM DONE...SORRY!

well I guess if it was just for the sake of argument..I can respect that.lolol But somebody must agree with me??? No one would accuse you of being off topic! wait hmm...if you agree with me then say why you DISAGREE with strwrs_guru! I'm starting to confuse myself.lol

I believe they do!!! I have a profound (yes,PROFOUND)relationship with my two cats.  I explain everything to them..trips to the vet, moving to a new place, visitors coming over, my moods, etc.  I believe with all my heart they understand, maybe sometimes even more than me. I send them love all the time and I listen to them. I want them to have the best lives possible and to feel they are part of my family unconditionally.  That's an important thing, they are so willingly unconditional, they deserve to feel that back.

Excuse me SIR..First of all, you are not even 10 yrs older than me. I mean, when you were my age it was okay to bring a child into the world, but not to have political views?? GIMME A BREAK!!!!  I didn't intend on elaborating on my view of why I believe Bush is a moron. I think his father did a poor job as well.  That is my oppinion and I am entitled to it, regardless of what you might think. Further, don't bash people on their level of education! Especially not while making obvious grammatical errors. Seriously, it looks foolish.

My dear, our generations are NOT that far apart. Don't make assumptions about how other people may or may not have been raised based on age. It's just discriminatory and in no way indicative of one's upbringing.

RESPECT is built out of LOVE AND TRUST not FEAR!
I'm so sorry if you are too OLD to understand this OUTRAGEOUS point of view. Children are innately innocent. Fear teaches them to lie, fear teaches them to cheat and sneak. If you are on a level above them and you don't care to get down onto their level, to explore life with them, and truly teach, then that's on you. One day...you WILL agree with me.

You tell me ONE thing that a child could do.. (without following the poor example set forth by an irresponsible adult at some point)that would deem them worthy of you putting your hands on them in a violent way(and it IS violence)? Just one thing that warrants them feeling even smaller and more helpless than they already are? Any reason at all.. something that a CHILD could do, to deserve the feeling, that the only people on the planet responsible to love and protect them, now have to physically hurt them and rip that sacred shelter away? Because that's what you are doing.

Fear doesn't keep people out of jail..wanting to be a productive member of society keeps people out of jail & it has nothing to do with finding a way to justify spanking a child. Maybe wanting to be a productive member of society instead of fear would keep you from hurting another person if you weren't raised like an animal.

I respect you being ticked about the book your 9 yr. old read!! That is potentially objectional material and you should have been notified!!

As far as 'gays'..(i dunno if you know any homosexuals [i'm going to go out on a limb and say probobly not]..but they do refer to themselves as GAY) Maybe it's not P.C. to pluarlize it, but I don't really care.

You are lucky..your children have parents. Many children do not. Your argument about the flack they will get in school is just stupid. I'm sorry, I'm just going to be blunt. Gee let me think, what will do more damage...a child being raised by the system with no family to speak of, or being teased in school and having loving parents in their life??  Yes children can be cruel. They get it from idiotic parenting and then from eachother.

If you are going to teach your children what the bible says about homosexuality as a tool to deal with this issue (as opposed to 'love thy neighbor', 'do unto others..','shalt not judge..'[you know all of the truly GOOD and PRODUCTIVE things the bible can teach]etc.) then they will be the exact children that make life so difficult for the children adopted by homosexual parents. Because YOU will teach them that it is unacceptable and abnormal.  So people like YOU are responsible for the torment these kids have to face and the damage it does!!!

Also...(back to the bush) YOU WE'RE 14 WHEN BUSH SR. WAS ELECTED!!! This is BASIC MATH PEOPLE!! I'm sure you were the leading news source on polotics at your junior high. C'mon!!!!!!!!

BTW I live in America, the land of media and pop-culture. Yes, I watch television and that includes trash as well as "educational STUFF".<--as you so eloquently stated. I read books as well as magazines..WHAT'S YOUR POINT?? Oh I remember..certain people can only grasp so much at once.

I don't think you are an moron...this forum is called LET'S ARGUE after all.lol  I didn't take it personally and I don't have ANYTHING against you.  (well except for an obvious distaste for some of your beliefs)  But, they are yours and you're entitled to them.(and you don't need me to point that out!)

I feel my reaction to your post was just considering the words you chose to express some of your oppinions. If you are offended then you are offended.

DOES ANYONE AGREE WITH ME HERE?

I don't care if hitting your kid makes them violent or not. Look at how small and helpless children are. They depend on you for everything. Their is no reason what so ever to use physical force against them. However, I can see smacking their hand real quick if they reach up to stick it in a frying pan or something..lol That's just a safety issue.  Parents that hit their kids are just bad impatient parents who don't take the time to really be WITH their children. The only way I would ever be forceful with my kid is if they were like...satan child. Just born that way, and through no fault of my own terribly evil...(eyes rolling back in head, ripping my hair out, biting me etc.) But, even then only forceful enough to subdue(sp?)them. And that never happens...they always get it from somewhere!! I've seen jenny jones...with the drill sergent guy..whats his name?? Raymond Moses lolololANYWAY...
Let's argue about the definition of debate or debate the definition of arguing! AAAAAnd...
Assisted suicide is a good thing.
I do believe in e.t.'s (saw a spaceship)
Pot should be legal and alchohol illeagle.
Prostitution should be legal.(not for me..just in general lol)
President Bush is a moron.(the apple doesn't fall...)
down with the electoral college..(democracy anyone?)
Gays should be allowed to adopt children.
Men or People with no adopted children should not be allowed to oppose legal abortion.
I propose cable t.v. and internet access for the entire population of the middle-east so that they can be distracted from war, polotics,and religion long enough to build their own middle-eastern hollywood. I think it is a viable solution, as opposed to war..Believe me people, it's nothing that a coupla' grande lattes can't fix!

I don't know all the details of your situation but I have A LOT of experience when it comes to this sort of thing.  I just want to tell you that you are not obligated to help him..You do not have to support him..and you are allowed to turn your back on him. These are not ideas that are supported by Alcoholics Anonymous.
He is your brother and I understand this must be hard for you but you owe it to yourself to protect yourself from his selfishness. If he wants to quit drinking, I reccomend the book Rational Recovery by Jack Trimpey. It promotes power over alchohol unlike A.A. Forced recovery (i.e. the judge says he must do a.a.) is an infringement on your constitutional rights (as it is a spiritual program ie. involved with religion)and rarely leads to permanent abstinance. Some people need that kind of structure and it does work for some.
The bottom line: He is grown and should take responsibility for his own life, your family should NOT support him in any way unless he makes a committment to get and STAY sober. And even then you should give him no more consideration or support than you would give any other grown and educated person. Sometimes we just have to fight our own battles. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Everytime he puts the bottle to his lips HE makes a choice. So don't take pity on him he NEEDS to learn about consequences.
I'm so sorry that you are going through all this. As the daughter of a dead drunk and myself a recovering alcoholic, I know how exausting and difficult this all must be for you. Sorry to be a bit off-topic guys!!! Don't hesitate to PM me if you need someone to talk to.

Creationist vs. Evolutionist-Did anyone see Penn & Tellers bovine excrement episode regarding this very topic??? It was great.

Phak,  Those are really tough questions to answer. As far as the physically stronger thing goes...I think meditation and energy raising can achieve that.  I don't understand WHY one would need to suck someone else's energy for that. The only reason I can think of is maybe for use with negative 'magick'. Otherwise, It has to be just for a power trip you know? Lot's of people walk through life making other people feel like excrement to make themselves feel better. They don't really gain any"thing" except a false sense of security and power. I suppose the same could be true on a psychic level as well. So I only think they gain short-term power for negative 'magick'. And in return they would get a lot of bad 'karma'.(let's try to avoid another karma discussion!lol) I don't really know anything about vampires but I know about a lot of other stuff. These are the only things I can come up with.  Maybe someone else has a more informed point of view. Hopefully, my thoughts on this helped in some way to explore your questions.

Ash you rock!

And as long as the traditional approach (scientific method) is used there won't be "proof" because you can't pull apart and name and test what you can not see or touch. but then what you can't see or touch can't be explained scientifically because science is limited in it's approach. Right???

I think lot's of people use this ability...to heal, not hurt. Even more so than Psychic Attack.  It's just so much more sensational to talk about getting attacked and what to do about it!!! but just like in everyday life some people are out for themselves and don't want anything to do with you if you don't have something they want. SO it is on a psychic level as well. some people are just a**holes. And again it is so much funner to read about possession and attack rather than hippy happy healing and helping. It's like people that watch race cars to see the wrecks. You know what I mean??? But there is just as much good as bad out there. People just eat this stuff up!!!

I know just through my own logic I can prove it to myself. Do you know how little is known about the human brain and its abilities??  To suggest that it is "just in my head" is an illogical suggestion because how would I know..No one can even imply that's the case. The most important thing is..look at all these people with interests in these things and all the people that have experienced these things. Since the beginning of recorded history. Could we ALL be wrong. If this is something you truely want to explore the proof will come and it may not be enough to convince anyone else..but is that your job?? to prove to all of humanity that consciousness is subjective?? If you are having these experiences it is valid because you experienced it. do i have PROOF it happened?? no....Can you prove it didn't?? NOOOO

Hey people, it's been awhile. I have a few comments on this here post.In the past we had a *K* (ketanine)thread. I definately didn't reccomend that particular substance.

POT= how long and how much can you really do before you are a retard?lol It does have negative effects on your brain. If you do a lot and in frequency.  BUt in MODERATION-hey whatever! This is a good one for those of us with tantra partners!!
BOOZE=BAD no spiritual nothin with that one.
LSD=get off the chemical short bus and come on over to the shroomie-lounge.  YAY i love the fact that to get the trippy part onto paper you get to use things like rat poision.  You never know what your going to get so save yourself the back ache and find somthing else. I mean if your going to do it you might as well do it right!!!
Mescaline=holy maccaroni you better be ready and you better be in a place where someone with experience can watch your butt. and people this is not a party drug don't insult Mescalito..you will be sorry..lol
Shrooms=obviously i am a fan.  MODERATION that is my word for the day.
mushrooms saved my spiritual life and i know a lot of people have been saying these things only open new doorways and whatnot. I didn't just open a doorway..I kicked it down and went right on down the hall! And what i experienced really woke me up and changed me.

I don't think I heard anyone mention speed or other really stupid drugs insinuating that they are good?? That being said...
I'm not saying everone should do drugs to "open their minds". I really believe you can go far without. I don't think however that any of us would be on this site if we hadn't had at least one truely moving spiritual experience. And the god's honest truth is certain drugs can superglue your minds-eye wide open. (sometimes for a mere second and sometimes forever) I feel like I've done enough of everything.  I may want to shroom again at some point.  That's the other thing you can really only go soo far with drugs. eventually you just live by what you've learned and do that sober or else it's really just a drug thing.  I like what that one guy said in this thread about a postcard.  If anyone is reading this and thinking about doing drugs...I implore you..stay away from chemical anything! Anyway..I'm sorry if I sound preachy. This is just something I have personal experience with. And I've really seen the downside too.(with chemicals and man-made synth. type stuff) never with the naturals though. oh my god i am psychobabbling..i hope i added something to this thread.lol