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Hey Astro

 There are different types of these creatures & they can cause different levels of interference in a person's life. Some can go unnoticed for a long time & do little damage.

Some types try to cause whatever type of energy they like to feed off of. ie. fear, anger, despair. They can effect how people feel physically, emotionally and/or mentally. They can cause physical ailments/physical pain & symptoms.

Robert talks about the rare, rare occurrence of "over-shadowing" in his book PPSD.

 Why you ask?

 take care,celeste

Hi McArthur

 That's great the experimenting you're doing. Did you ever try the egg ritual from PPSD & how many times? I know you've been dealing with this for awhile as I've read back posts. What all have you tried, if you don't mind me asking?

  Are you getting any other physical symptoms along with it? Have you noticed these guys will attach along meridian lines & specific pts & then cause the associated problems. I've found burning chinese moxa sticks works well to relieve any symptoms temporarily & clear a room.  

celeste

Hi Neg removal5
 
 I've skimmed most of these posts so forgive me if I missed your answers but Alchimiste asked you some good questions about your friend's situation. How about you start there by sharing some of this information with us?

  What have they tried? How long has it been going on? What caused it initially? Where do you figure in? Have you tried to do any healing on them?

  Have you read Robert's book? What have you experienced with yourself or your friend? This might make it easier for others to give you some input. It's a give and take reciprocal type of thing--eh?

  celeste

HI Stuart

 Help is close by  []

1) Buy Practical Psychic Self-Defense by Robert Bruce. It has lots of helpful and useable information that you won't find anywhere else.

2) Go to www.astralhealer.com Nita Hickok is a moderator here and is  very experienced at these things.

3) Adrian has put a message up about Nita & what she does
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4374&SearchTerms=astral+healer

4) Check the articles on this site & search the past messages for comments by Nita & Robert . There is lots of helpful info here in 'resources' also. You can spend hours reading it.
 
 Good luck, celeste

hi neg removal5
 
 I really doubt that Reiki can remove negs--not attached ones anyway and not permanently. I suppose it depends on what your definition of "neg" is. If it is very broad to include things that would be the equivalent of minor to moderate energetic blockages then maybe yes --but not any major neg. There are different types & levels of strength for these things & different reasons they have become a problem. It really depends on how it got there in the first place as to how to get rid of it.  

  Different types of energy work can effect the neg & oust it temporarilly but unless banished & the core image removal done  and perhaps life style change if that was one of the causes---I think it would return. Same with accupuncture & accupressure.  For eg. using a moxa stick can temporarily relieve the physical symptoms.
  my two cents, celeste  

Sometimes it's hard to tell with cats what's going on with them. It could be sensing something. Cats also like warmth and high places make them feel safer. YOur sister's cat could be seeing something in peoples auras--not necessarily negs.
 I've also heard that same new age myth about animals being more "spiritually aware" & but I've not found that to be particularly true in reality. What I have found is they are about the same as people---some are psychic/sensitive and some are not.

Cats also have much better sight then humans especially in dimly lit situations so sometimes they can see something that is there that we don't, like some kind of an insect etc... I had a cat that went after a spider once and killed it but he either got bitten by it or received a real nasty taste from it.  I've seen him look at a spider now and shake his head in disgust as if he's reliving the memory of it, and then he jumps up and runs away...LOL!
it's kind of hysterical to watch. Kitty deja vu!  []

Plants are extremely Powerful medicine they are just natural and not synthetic. They need to be used in the right way and treated in a respectful and sacred manner.

 goingslow--You have little or no experience with what tyler has been talking about right?

quote:To all the people who have responded who are genuinely concerned (fenris, ides, tisha, inguma): thank you.

To all those who are just attacking me: F*ck off.

Dear kakkarot,

 Sorry you feel that this was an attack. That certainly was not my motive although, I said I felt I had to be blunt. You don't know me or care about my words but I, however, like others here, care enough about you to respond.

 If you are feeling a darkness within then this is more likely the you are being called to do some inner work--maybe for a time with a good trusted experienced therapist & body worker. There is no way to avoid the inner work & it is not a one time deal either. It is many layers like an onion peeled off one at a time. So  very often we try to neglect it or figure we can do a spiritual by-pass to avoid it but it comes back to bite you one way or another.

  A prayer to try in meditation is--Show me, what I need to heal....show me what I need to let go of to become whole. Then hold tight & be prepared to work with everything the Universe/God shows you...your issues, your shadow, your family wounds, your pride, your fears,your anger, your dreams, your illusions ask it to be gentle. You don't need to summon an external demon. Heal yourself & bring the Luminous Being within you forth.

  May you be blessed, celeste

Sorry Bud,  I've gotta be blunt here.  Sounds like macho bravado to me. Neither of these are characteristics of spiritual development. Shows me you've got some spiritual growing up to do.

 I do hope your not serious....but if you are,  it is clearly your ego that is leading you in this direction and furthermore, if you think you will be protected from your folly, it gives clear evidence to your inexperience with these matters----cause, that just ain't how it works. Others have shared some wise words.

Put your ego aside Darth, & pay attention.  

   Celeste

Hi Nje789

 You might be experiencing an succubus. Also negs sometimes try to attach to your root chakra & can cause sexual stimulation.  First off ---purchase Robert's book Practical Psychic Self-defense it has got the info that will help you to fend off attacks & stop it for good.  
 When did it begin?  In the meantime there is great info on this site under resources & also in the articles at astralpulse.com You can also do back searches by typing in a word and see what others have written. There is a lot of helpful advice on these pages, you just have to look for it.
Here's some links-http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_43.htm
http://www.astralpulse.com/magick/nita/nita.htm
 

  Some measures to try-- When feeling the attack do a cleansing ritual in the bath.  Take a handful of salt, sprinkle it in the water & Bless the water by praying over it...Submerge yourself a few times and visualize all negative energy coming off you & going down the drain.  You can also use some rosemary oil in  the showergel & shampoos for protection--always using prayer as this is what makes it work.  Get some protective herbs. Using prayer (always in whatever measure you use) bless them &  sprinkle them around your bedroom (rosemary & marjoram work well)  
Pray & ask God for the assistance of Archangel Michael to defend and protect you. A pentagram with a circle around it is protective so is a solar cross. They can be drawn on clothing with blue ink. I'd try one or the other & see which works the best for you. burning  moxa sticks is a good neg repellant too. you can find them on the net. I like the smokeless moxa.
  Post to let us know how you are doing. You need to start doing these things & get the book. You will feel better & have more energy.  

 Celeste  

Hello Timeless

 

quote:I would say ignorance about self leads ultimately to breakdown not bliss. If you just keep shoving stuff down the hole it is bound to come back and bite you. Usually when you haven't got the energy to suppress it anymore

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...perhaps in your situation you were actually bothered by negative thoughtforms of your own making. This is not uncommon, however, it's not I think the situation that these folks are talking about.

There also seems to be and assumption that others have not done shadow work. Some maybe have & some not. I do not think doing shadow work or other psychological work precludes these experiences. These experiences can happen for a variety of reasons.  Some things exist that are unpleasant & that we don't always have nice little tidy answers to.  If believing otherwise makes people feel better, fine. This is the "ignorance is bliss" I was referring to, as you well know.

 I don't see myself as "dismissing" your opinion but advocating for people who could use it as they are told by others overtly & covertly that their psychic experience is "all in their head."
This Forum is for people who are experiencing Psychic Attack to tell their tale, ask questions and get support. If it worries some people then I suggest don't read it, it's not for you. Until you experience it & need Robert's book I can understand trying to distance yourself from it. Balance is always the key. Overly focusing on this stuff is not good either.

 And what difference does it make how many people are in agreement?  As Shania Twain says, "That Don't Impress Me Much"  <shrug>    

  Have a good one, Celeste

HI Brooklyn
 I forgot to mention core image removal it removes them at the level of their attachment to your psychie. Here at this level they are vulnerable & you can loosen their grip. Described in the book & link below highlights some countermeasures. Apply them, they work. Xmas carols and children's nursery songs are good passive measures. I figure use as many as you can & see what helps.

  Tell us, what all have you tried?  

http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_43.htm

 You can be free of it. Celeste

Hi Brooklyn

If ya don't have it get Robert's book Practical Psychic Self-Defense,  it is a must to have. There is just so much in the book you can use. Get some garlic & slice it and place it around. It is an effective 'neg' repellant. You can also rub it on the bottoms of your feet. I also read someone said they stuck some in a bandana they wore on their head & slept with it on. You can charge a necklace with prayers & wear it to help.
Remember that part of their game is intimidation. Very important not to connect with it & don't challenge it. Don't let it know what your doing if possible. Do your best to ignore the "neg"  & not focus on it while at the same time using measures against it but do it as best as you can without it knowing what you are doing.

There are too many things to mention from the book. Prayer Important & works, Herbs work, Rosemary oil using water pumped in plastic tubing under your bed and around the parameter of your room.
 This was posted by Robert explaining the use of a water barrier. Hope it's ok that I reposted Robert's messages, Adrian.
Posted - 25 February 2002 :  04:12:27            
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G'day folks!

All good points, and points I have pondered for a long time.

The quality of underground streams varies, as does the energy they generate. I think dowsing can be used to tell these apart.

This may also apply to geopathic stress points and other such underground forces.

I do not know anywhere near enough to tell how each type will affect negs. My book would have been delayed several years had I attempted to gather such information. And keep in mind that I would have to run field tests, which means I would need active neg attacks to test them with, making everything doubly difficult.

Still water, and slow moving water, does not seem to have a great effect on negs. Keep in mind that such places are likely to host a great many nature spirits and elementals (water spirits and etc). And these types of spirits can sometimes be nasty.

My experiments have by large been with negs in populated areas. The majority of such negs have great problems crossing running water.

The volume and speed of running water are certainly important factors. This is why, if crossing a garden hose fails, crossing a large water main will usually do the trick and break the neg attack.

Neg attacks are usually broken instantly by crossing running water.

However, some types of attacks, possibly involving 'attached' negs, take more. In this case, I advise standing over running water for several minutes (coil a garden hose and stand among coils), and that white light be imagined as flowing into the head, and black fluid leaking from the feet. This is 'very' effective against strong attacks, especially possession attacks and heavy influence attacks. I have proven this beyond doubt in many field situations, involving myself and others I have been trying to help.

The running water countermeasures are in their infancy. These work in most cases, even though we do not fully understand why.

The ion generation of running water may indeed be a significant factor.

There are historical links to running water countermeasures.

Folklore says that witches and demons and etc cannot cross running water.

Druid law, thousands of years old, shows some knowledge of running water and its effect on negs. For example, it was law that a doctor's house 'must' be build over a stream of clean running water. They used a kind of bridge to do this.

My book, PPSD, gives many firsthand examples, and my thoughts on running water countermeasures and how they work. But as said, I do not know the whole story. I do, however, know enough to use this and encourage others to use this countermeasure. Its extremely effective against the vast majority of negs one is likely to encounter in populated areas, like towns and etc.

Take care, Robert.Posted - 01 March 2002 :  05:31:28            
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G'day Folks!

Winged Wolf makes some good points. Yes, the vast majority of entities that interact with humans are neither good nor bad, but neutral and just trying to survive. And yes, cows could consider us demonic, re we milk them all their lives and then eat them. Many entities do the same, milking energy all a person's life, then feasting on their decaying energies after they die.

A few people have mentioned being exposed to running water, storms and etc, and still having bad luck and entity problems. Keep firmly in mind that this kind of running water exposure will not remove firmly 'attached' entities, or those who have gained temporary 'hitchhiking' or 'overshadowing' status.

Some entities become stuck on islands and in houses, because they have not worked out the running water factor and how to overcome it.

Invoking spirits, say with a Ouija board (note that this means 'yes yes', re Oui is French for yes and Ja is German for yes) will also not be greatly affected if done on an island. This is because most invoked entities come from dimensionally further afield and manifest closer to the physical universe using the energy provided by the people doing the invoking. Note that this type of uncontrolled invocation is very dangerous, unless one is familiar with magickal practices of binding entities and protecting ones self, etc.

When an entity is capable of attacking a person, they manifest fairly close to real time, to the physical dimension. In this state, they take on 2 dimensional properties (like a shadow) and are generally bound to the surface of the earth. This is when they are at their most dangerous, as they can then affect humans and etc. An unattached entity in this state has great difficulty crossing running water. Field tests have shown that stronger entities, like demons, can cross running water if pushed, but they will not do this lightly as it can be said to burn them and drain them of energy.

But even the lowliest of demons are very strong, having a stronger level of consciousness than any human, albeit darkly so. Going mind to mind with any demon is thus a no win situation. But as the vast majority of common troublesome negs are lesser beings than demons, and thus have even more difficulty crossing running water, the running water method is effective defense in the majority of cases and will break attacks by unattached negs instantly.

Stronger negs, even low demons, can also be drained of energy and forced to de-manifest and break off attack by prolonged exposure to a significant quantity of running water. This will not solve the root of such a problem, but it does give 'something' to fight back with, and provides temporary 'release' during which strength can be gained and help sought, etc.

Take care, Robert.

 P.S. Also check the Resources section there is a lot of info here to help you. Read the articles at Astralpulse.com. Keep in touch. God Bless, Celeste

I really wish you wouldn't recommend attacking back ,Enderwiggin. It is bad advice & greatly oversimplified answer to a complex problem.  In the first place you don't even know what kind of an entity the person is dealing with. Not all negs are in the category of astral wildlife etc.
Celeste

quote:"Only the Shadow knows."

They also say "Ignorance is bliss..."  Robert Bruce must have quite some shadow work to do.

What I want to know... is what's Billy Joel doing in Iraq? []

http://www.iraqwar.ru/article_image.php?id=2561

I don't doubt what he experienced. I meant the stats he or someone gave you... on succubus etc..I just don't think stuff like that as being a positive thing to focus on. If something isn't empowering to my mind & spirit-- I leave it.  
 Your welcome! [] I'll come back to you with the other later...

Sounds funny....but just say "no" :)With negs it is a mind game. You can control those dream images by becoming aware by programing yourself before bed & saying no to any upsetting images and replace them with something pleasant. Think you have the power and you do.

 Sprinkle protective herbs which you've prayed over around your room in the corners. You don't need much. Put some protective herbs in a beautiful smelling potpurri & go get some cedar. Always pray over them to the Highest Power--Almighty G... of Light and ask that they  be blessed and protect and shield you from all negative energy. You can use salt in the tub for cleansing of negativity--same always with anything you must apply with Prayer. Rosemary oil can be used in shampoo or soap for protection. Lemon & citrus scents are uplifting & cleansing.

 Get a book that is uplifting about Angels and Higher Beings. Think & read about those Higher Beings & how to welcome them into your space. Use some scented oils & uplifting pictures , music etc. to make your space SO beautiful and lovely that negs would feel uncomfortable & only Higher Beings would hang out there. Visualize your mom & stepdad full of Love and Light and being kind to YOU and each other. Picture your animal companions and plant friends as strong, happy and vibrantly thriving & healthy.

 Focus most of your energy on what you do want in your space (Harmony, Happiness, Love, Health, Goodness) & create that atmosphere using pics, music, scents, etc.....

You can say a prayer asking (the Ultimate Source of all Goodness for eg) that the water be blessed and do the same with little bit of salt, put both in a spray bottle. I say that because I think it is important to remind ourselves to take the time and effort to connect to the Highest Power of Light you can in prayer. It doesn't just happen automatically.
You can sprinkle protective herbs around your room in the four corners --praying over them first. Rosemary, marjoram,etc Visualize them making a shield around your room. I don't think I'd buy into that info and thinking about or talking about such things alot isn't good either.
Most importantly, Talk, think and read about Good energy and Angels and Higher Beings that you want attract to help you on your journey.

I have the same HUGE concerns.
Here's two sites that speak around the same issues.
Thom Hartman  has written a few books on ecology, spirituality and transformation. His latest book is about dominance of multi-national corporations & the taking of our rights and democracy.
http://www.thomhartmann.com/

This is John Stauber's an independent journalist. He has written about the government's use of spin to manipulate the multitudes.
Pr watch website.
http://www.prwatch.org/spin/index.html

http://www.davidicke.com/
Author David Ickes is way out there.... his ideas have seemed so totally nuts but what he spoke about yrs ago is exactly what seems to be happening before our very eyes. Looking like we are headed towards a fascist world power. Bush & his benefactors are a very scary men. They are controlling & manipulating using lies, threats and fear.
 

I have the same HUGE concerns.
Here's two sites that speak around the same issues.
Thom Hartman  has written a few books on ecology, spirituality and transformation. His latest book is about dominance of multi-national corporations & the taking of our rights and democracy.
http://www.thomhartmann.com/

This is John Stauber's an independent journalist. He has written about the government's use of spin to manipulate the multitudes.
Pr watch website.
http://www.prwatch.org/spin/index.html

http://www.davidicke.com/
Author David Ickes is way out there.... his ideas have seemed so totally nuts but what he spoke about yrs ago is exactly what seems to be happening before our very eyes. Looking like we are headed towards a fascist world power. Bush & his benefactors are a very scary men. They are controlling & manipulating using lies, threats and fear.
 

To Whoever

 James-- My experience of a negative entity attack was for the same reasons that you learned about it. I engaged in intercessory prayer without protection & got nailed.
Thanks to Robert's book and helpful advice from Nita I got rid of the thing. The woman I interceded for thought 'a person' was attacking her. I don't dismiss this but I can not validate that. I did learn first hand that there were two negative entities involved with her. I think if she would of followed the steps I did ie. using Robert's prescribed methods she would be largely rid of her problem. This woman became paranoid and got extremely angry with me--I have not seen her since. I concluded at the time that whatever forces were effecting her turned things up a few notches when someone (myself) tried to intervene on her behalf. They didn't want to lose their meal ticket.  Unfortunately she became very emotionally unstable. I have no idea where she is or how she is.

 I learned the adage "God helps those that help themselves" first hand. I had to take responsibility for what happened to me and I had to take wise action. I knew that I would eventually come across someone that actually "knew" about this stuff. It was easier for me than for her because there was interference but my mind was not being over-shadowed like hers. Although I think "it" was trying. I had been a meditator for many yrs and was pretty clear on what my thoughts, feelings and energy is. 'it' was there hiding for a long time before I actually became aware that 'it' was an entity. It did cause me physical pain. In the end it was the physical pain & how it was moving around that alerted me to it's presence.  "it's" presence could be sensed by others, it largely blocked off my channel to connect with my Higher guidance. It was attached to my energy field & I became tired, depressed, felt hopeless ---not my usual attitude or mood. I am immensely grateful to Robert and Nita for sharing their knowledge and expertise on this forum as well as others that I learned from. I found absolutely no beneficial help outside of them.

  Robert's book was not a fun read for me because it was all to real. It freaks you out when you can actually feel an entity breathing down your neck & reading your thoughts.  Before finding Robert's book & this website I was given a lot of stupid/useless advice from well-meaning 'healers or psychics' who had no real clue  but a lot of opinions about what happened to me. I even spoke to a Tibetan/Buddhist nun who was very nice but not helpful either. After about 3 attempts at finding help I learned to suffer in silence.
  I don't post to convince anyone. I am willing to be judged by those that don't know any better if my post is helpful to someone who needs to read it--maybe as a preventative. Until it happened to me I didn't want to believe it either. I know now: it CAN happen, and there IS something that can be done about it.
 All the best to all
Celeste

Hello Gandalf-
Your quote: _{I think this is a major problem though, because people mistake fear projections as evil entities (I did at first) and this has gone on to fuel the whole 'neg' belief system that plagues everyone on the Psychic self defence forum - those people are convinced they are under attack from negs and this goes on to fuel their belief}

In this case you probably are right & the experience is probably a  a projection of fear. They can try your suggestion and see if it works.

 I must comment on your your comments about "neg" belief system plaguing the PSD forum." Have you read Robert's PPSD?  ) I, myself have not been to Australia. I have not met surfers there or been attacked by a sharks.  I do realize that Australia and shark attacks exist whether or not I have experienced them myself. Would I tell someone who says they've been attacked by one --well, you must of just swam too close to a reef,  because 'I' have snorkeled & I've seen the reefs therefore anyone who claims a shark attack either was just scratched by a reef, their deluded or they drew it to them. This is such a common reaction & I think it is a way for people to maintain a distance & false sense of security.

I have learned by hearing accounts by others that shark attacks are fairly rare &  what to do to avoid them and importantly, how to fend off an attack should I find myself in one. This for me is extremely valuable. If I would have known what I know now I, personally would not have experienced a negative entity. Ignorance is not always bliss. When it happened to me I was shocked and could not understand why I was not forewarned or protected by the Powers that be. After whining for a few yrs to the "Powers that Be" about it --I finally understand now that in Spiritual growth we are expected to face different spiritual trials on our journey.  "God helps those that help themselves" applies here. We can call on help & support from others but there are certain passages that we alone need to go through. We all are getting the same education , we are just taking the required courses in a different order.   I am now much wiser & stronger than I was prior to my experience. I am not claiming to be wise just wiser than I was...I am a complete Spiritual infant.

 Certainly, not all psychic experiences are evidence of psychic attack by an entity but that does not mean that they do not happen. The fact that we can project our fears is very true & a great point that you make based upon your own experiences. However, telling someone who might truly be experiencing this phenomena that it is ONLY their fear they are projecting or taking a scoffing tone is not helpful & not supportive.

Essentially this is  telling people I don't believe you & don't believe yourself and don't trust your own experience, perceptions and intuition which is absolutely necessary to guide them safely through difficult Spiritual Trials.

 If you've read any of Robert's material on it...there is a definite scale of types of encounters/attacks from very mild to EXTREME. The SEVERE & I'm talking SEVERE attacks and mental strife go hand in hand. The best people can do who have no experience with these things is to be non-judgemental/neutral with it then & direct others to people that can help them to sift through their situations--like the expert & caring moderators on this site.

 Celeste

Hi there

  This is way out of my league.
I wanted to tell you that you will be able to get the support and wise advice that you seek here.  Get Robert's book PPSD immediately there is a lot of info in the articles by Robert & others. I would suggest don't try to do anything on your own to get rid of them until you get some advice from one of the experts/moderators (Nita) to give you sound advice & reading Robert's book.  
 I would strongly suggest in the mean time , don't connect with "it or them" telepathically. These entities do not sound like good beings or safe so I would not want to use any energy given by them no matter how powerful I think I've become. It sounds like a trap.  They are tricksters-don't trust them. Let us know how it goes. I don't know what your religious/spiritual background is but---Prayer does work & nothing (in my experience) works without it.

 Celeste

Last nite on Discovery channel a documentary "why did the events of 9/11 take place? I taped it & haven't watched it yet. You might be able to download it off the internet but I don't know.

 The U.S. Embassador sounded like nothing more than some mafia 'hood' spewing threats. How dare they-- because they are fascist.  I am so Glad to be Canadian. I only wish we wouldn't be this close & we should of tried to achieve independent economic status. We could have if our businessmen & politicians wouldn't have been so greedy & stupid. I know this won't be close to happening. We will be exposed to the same tactics of control.   This war was a big mistake.  They will fall in time but much more trouble is ahead.  Time to really pray & hone your intuition in order to avoid some of what is to come. There is a large battle being waged between Good & evil & evil has got the upper hand at this pt.  Pray for the increasing Omnipresent Power of the LIGHT over the darkness. Watch for the distractions that keep you from prayer & don't let it.

 Celeste