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thanks monicat

get the NEW (new energy ways) document. it's a free download off this site somewhere or another. It's the best energy development system i've ever encountered

healthy skepticism is, well... healthy. but let's not get carried away. remember that if you take the idea far enough then you will realize that there is absolutely nothing in this world that is provable. I mean try to prove that what you're experiencing now is not a dream. There is no way to do it, without utilizing experience from this world (which might be a dream, remember?)

I'm just saying everyone at some point needs to find a balance. Be skeptical, but also have faith in your perceptions. If you perceive something, it is real for you. It may or may not be real for other people. But if it's real for you then it has value for you.

Another question. Does it matter whether it is genuine projection or "manifestations of brain activity"? Is there evidence that a non-physical body can exist and separate from a physical body? Is it possible that the physical brain has sensory apparatus that can be used across distance, time, and dimension? Does it really matter either way?

I think the only possible answer to your question is "yes, it is all in your mind." That's where EVERYTHING is. We humans exist as perceivers, but the sad truth is that we can never know whether any of our perceptions exist, or are just perceptions. I choose to believe my perceptions have validity, if only to myself.

i find if i do any kind of energy raising before bed i can't sleep at all for at least a couple of hours. the same thing often happens if i practice trance or projection techniques...

hey squeek,

if you like a certain music, then it will work for you, as long as you like it because it relaxes you and makes you feel good. if you like it because it makes you feel energized and angry, it's probably not the best for this sort of thing. But don't discount anything. Just listen to it and see how it makes you feel. I once had a spontaneous astral experience while listening to Hole. (lol okay it was the 90s what can I say). anyways i think it works because it is just like meditation.

Think about it. When you meditate, you are supposed to focus on something... your breath, a candle, etc. When your mind wanders you gently bring it back to the object of your focus. When you are listening to music, or have a song in your head, it has this exact same effect. Your mind naturally makes it the object of focus. Why? Because you LIKE the song. That's incredibly beneficial. I think the reason many people suggest instrumental is because the lyrics trigger verbal associations that will take your mind away somewhere. But obviously, if the song won't get out of your head, you don't have that problem. So take something you like and just relax and listen to it. Let it be in your head and let it take over all other thoughts, and see what happens.

You could also try broadening your horizons a little bit. There's tons of instrumental music that isn't classical or whaling guitar. Try some native or african drumming or trance or something. But again, if you don't like it, don't worry about it. Use what you like.

ash

it sounds like you are running into resistance. what is your goal while meditating? are you doing it to calm your mind, raise energy, or project? I would recommend making your goal for meditation just meditation. That is, decide you are going to sit down for a specified time (say, 15 minutes) and during that time you are going to meditate. Focus on your breath or whatever you do and try to let all thoughts go. This includes thoughts like "this isn't working" or "my trance isn't deep enough" or "i'm tired i want to sleep".
Just let them all go. Often people stop meditating after a little while because the newness and the momentum wears off and the effects aren't as dramatic anymore. Also, meditation changes us whether we like it or not, and there can be a lot of subconscious resistance to that. It is when you can discipline yourself to meditate even when you don't want to meditate that real progress will be made.

good luck!
ash

what exactly is your goal? if you are interested in energy development i would highly recommend reading Robert Bruce's NEW (new energy ways) which you can download from this site. The directions are very easy to follow and you can get immediate sensations that will let you know if you are doing it correctly.

hey weagle,

this is interesting. what kind of dosage are you using?

bindi,

yes, i think you're right in that i am too aware of my body. i think the problem is that i am trying to monitor how i feel in my body so i can tell if i am doing the technique correctly. if i want to feel like i'm pulling on the rope i have to feel my physical body rising, if that makes any sense. otherwise it just feels like i'm waving my hands in the air. would it be more effective to imagine that i am somewhere else, climbing a rope? i'm sorry i can't really seem to describe what i want to ask... but it's like if i am using my awareness hands, then i am sort of automatically focussed on my body, if that makes any sense...

synapse,
do you mean concentration exercises like one-pointed awareness, breath awareness etc?

thanks guys!

ash

a thought:

I think there is most definitely a high correlation between IQ and curiosity. Intelligent people are curious. They want to understand the relationships between things, the reason for things, the underlying structure of reality.

That given, I think that it is much more likely for people of higher intelligence to be interested in astral projection. What more fundamental question is there? Astral projection offers the possibility of direct experience of the structure of the universe.

So, natural abilities being equal, I think it's likely that more intelligent people would be more likely to pursue astral projection with the dedication that it requires for them to master such a skill.

ash

hehe okay well it looks like you've waited quite a while for a reply. hope this one helps.

why the face? three reasons come to mind:

1) the hands and arms join the neck and head. working on these stimulating an upward movement are likely to stimulate the head in general

2) being aware of a specific area naturally draws energy to that area. Most people have their body awareness behind their eyes or in their face in general. that will naturally stimulate this area more

3) a lot of people hold tension in their face and jaw muscles. Tension creates energy blockages, which create more noticable energy sensations.

hope this helps.

ash

hey fred,

i have the same problem sometimes. you might want to try not focussing on your breath. after all it's just one technique. A lot of people use mantras, visualization, etc for this reason. Using a different one-pointed awareness, besides the breath, will help you to not try to control it, and also help shift your attention away from your physical body...

good luck,
ash

quote:Originally posted by clandestino


you said

I woke up the other morning with the strong conviction that my expectations of success, and my beliefs, are hindering me. It is quite frustrating, because I can't see a way I can change this at the moment.

making the realization is the first step. second is letting go of those things that are hindering you (ie expectations and old belief patterns. Why don't you put them in your energy conversion box? that's what it's for!

What goes along with this, at least for me, is the need to control. I find myself trying really hard to make THIS listening the BIG SUCCESS! I must do it this time or not at all. This is clearly counter-productive. Try adopting a more relaxed attitude about the whole thing. Just relax and go with the flow. Whatever happens is gonna be the best thing for you at this time, even if you don't feel anything happening. (this belief is what you can use to replace your old expectations). After all, what difference does it really make if you listen to the tape a few more times and nothing happens?

good luck!

ash

hi clandestino,

re Frank's technique, I think it is important to keep in mind what Robert Bruce talks about regarding visualization. That is, visualization is definitely not always visual, nor does it have to be. If you are one of the majority, like me, visualization is extremely difficult. You feel like you can't really "see" anything, and you spend so much energy trying to make it more real that you wind up not being able to do anything else, or running out of energy or getting bored and going to sleep.

I think the most important thing in any technique is actually the way it makes you FEEL. For instance someone might recommend you imagine yourself lying on the beach with the hot sun looking down, the crashing of the waves, etc. There is only one purpose to this. To make you feel relaxed and warm. It really makes no difference if you can visualize a beach or not. The idea is that imagining the scenario in your mind will help you to create warmth and relaxation in your body.

That said, I can't visualize for the life of me. What I'm starting to discover is that I CAN reproduce feelings and sensations and emotions. This is the key. If you are getting to the point where you can see faces, hypnagogic imagery, etc. then you are doing well. Keep practicing. And focus on the effect (the way you feel) and not so much on the method. The method is, after all, just a method.

hope this helps....

ash

my IQ is 140 and I have an astral experience around once a month or so on average....

ash

i've projected several times but it's always been when i wasn't consciously trying... either from a lucid dream or just waking up during the vibrations. what i'm trying to do now is project consciously from waking, but i haven't been able to. Actually the main reason why i want to contact my guide is for him to help me with this. i've been trying off and on for years to consciously project with no real success at all..

thanks,
ash

well i've never run into a grey before, but i've had a few fights on different planes and i think there are a couple of things to keep in mind.

1) these entities might not actually exist. that is to say, they could be projections of your own mind. much like we create our own dreams, we can create very real astral hallucinations

2) if they are in fact astral entities, they are of course non-physical entities. this means that they absolutely cannot harm you physically. the only thing they can do (and seem to be doing) is scaring you out of your wits. so it's your fear that they are attracted to, and your fear that feeds them.

3) there is no spoon. when you are dealing with the non-physical planes, thought creates reality. This means that you are exactly as powerful as you think you are, as you choose to be. the only thing stopping you from blowing these entities away is that you're so afraid of them. like you said, you tried in a dream but didn't have a voice.

so use logic with yourself. fear is an instinctual response to danger. If you use logic to convince yourself that these entities cannot harm you, because they are not physical, then the fear will lessen. As the fear lessens your power increases and it will make you even less afraid. all the rituals that you might choose to do, such as burning a white candle, etc. have the exact power of the belief that you put into them. If you have faith in a higher power, then use that faith to convince you that you are safe. otherwise just have faith in yourself. they cannot harm you.

ash

i've never looked into a mirror while projecting but i've done it in a lucid dream. i looked pretty much the same except that my eyes sparkled. it was pretty cool.

personally i think if you were projecting in real time and you looked in a mirror you would probably see yourself. because what you'd be seeing is an astral copy of a physical mirror. astral mirrors should reflect astral entities, i would think. then again, your subconscious would likely create an image even if there wasn't one. the subconscious isn't exactly used to looking in a mirror and not seeing yourself...

interesting question though. i'll let you know if i ever have a fully conscious real-time obe.

ash

hi fred,

i think you're right. I don't feel like i'm fully as relaxed as i could be. to give you some idea, my body feels fairly heavy and i feel like i could easily move an arm or leg but i don't really want to. i haven't tried listening to music but i've been using the monroe tapes for quite a while.

whenever i have succeeded at projecting it was always unplanned. it would be just waking up from a nap or once in a while from a lucid dream.

yes when i start to drift out of consciousness i lose bodily awareness and maybe a bit of vibrations but as soon as i snap back to awareness it all stops. The only way I can seem to do it is if I wake up in the middle of it, with the vibrations already going very strong and then I can get swept away by it.

So yes, I think probably I'm not relaxed enough, either mentally or physically. the problem is I can't figure out how to relax any more without losing consciousness or falling asleep. If I try to focus too much I just stay awake and only get into a light trance.

i find the castaneda technique works wonders. basically, whenever you realize you're dreaming, stop what you're doing. don't go rushing off to fly or have sex or anything. too much action will wake you lose awareness. and as kenneth mentioned don't get too excited either...

so you realize you're dreaming. stop. look at your hands.just focus on them for a bit until you start to lose focus or they look like they are melting or something. then shift your gaze to something else. after a few moments, go back to your hands again. the end result will be that you will feel very grounded and very much in your dream. it will become more and more real and stable. castaneda calls this developing your dreaming attention. it's basically the ability to stay calm and aware and focussed in your dream.

the first time i tried this i wound up having a dream where i was standing in an ordinary room. i focussed on each object in the room (bed, dresser, etc) and on my hands and i wound up being so much in the dream that i honestly could not tell the difference between this dream and ordinary reality. it's a pretty powerful experience.

good luck!

ash

speaking of which...
has anybody else noticed a correlation between people who are interested in oobe and people interested in vampirism? seems like almost everybody i know who's into one is into the other, including myself. anybody have any idea why that is? might be just coincidence..

ash

hi senara,

well i wouldn't say i'm an expert, but here's my thought anyways. i think the key is to not really try to do anything about it one way or another. try to remain calm and relaxed and don't wake yourself up too much by trying to force anything. just relax into it and let it build up on its own and it should get stronger and stronger until you're out. good luck!

ash

hi tom,
thanks for the reply.
so are you saying that in all likelyhood i am actually successful in projecting but that my conscious memory is only of the activities of my physical body during that time? ie. i remember my body lying there doing nothing but i don't remember my astral body projecting?