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A lot of people will tell you to start some kind of "exit" technique... I'm not one of those people.

I'd say continue rocking.  Continue using that sensation to take your awareness further and further, deeper and deeper away from the physical.  Put all your focus into the rocking... each set of rockings, allow it to rock your awareness away from everything physical. 

Eventually, you won't have to "open your eyes"... because you'll Phase and you'll just be "there".  "There" being anywhere from where ever your physical body is, to somewhere you've never seen before. 

Thanks! So why did I eventually stop rocking? Maybe I lost focus.

When you are feeling yourself rocking that is the time to move away from your body.   If you do nothing, you rock back and forward back into your body and the ap ends.   I found that out a long time ago.   Sometimes you have to make things happen otherwise the experience will end.   It is possible that you can keep rocking and rocking and get out of your body.   One time I was rocking and I got thrown out of bed onto the floor.  I did not do anything for that to happen. 

My question is though, what do you "do" once you are rocking? Also-- once you are out, how do you know? Do you open your eyes? Things were just a mush of black and colors for me. Thanks.

Hey all!

So just now I practiced my daily meditation/AP attempt after coming home from work. I run through my relaxation techniques and completely relax my body. I find this very easy to do after a long day of work. After doing my relaxation stuff, I begin to feel the "lead blanket" sensations as well as vibrations. Not long after I see a mix of shadows and colors through my closed eyes. So now I think to myself Alright, one of the guides/suggestions I read said to watch these things go by and let them happen. After doing that for a few minutes, the sensations faded and I was just back in my relaxed state.

I decided to wait a bit and see if the sensations would come back. And sure enough, they did a few minutes later. After they came back I thought to myself Well, why don't I try a method now like the rope method. And as I tried the rope method I began to actually feel myself rocking back and forth like I would as if I were actually climbing a rope. After doing this for about a minute, the vibrations intensified and then ultimately dissipated like my first attempt. I ended the relaxation/meditation and got up. I felt like I had just woken up, but I know I wasn't asleep. Hmm...

What am I doing wrong, or what could I be doing differently? Should I continue doing this every day as I have, because it seems to work better and better every day?

Guys and Gals, we can continue the conversation on "Astral Guards/Monitoring, "Astral rules", whatever you want to call it, at this old thread here. That way we won't interrupt or hijack Darkdog's "Mirror" question any further.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/booted_out_of_the_astral-t36974.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/question_about_astral_guards_in_rtz-t44011.0.html

Both of those threads entertain the idea. I would love to hear your PERSONAL take on it though, not something that you read.

Thank you! Even though I was quite enjoying the current conversation . I'll be sure to check out those threads too.

I don't mind the change in topic Lion. It's a pretty interesting topic. Thanks for the replies guys.

Hey all!

Why do many sites and books say not to look at mirrors while astral projecting? If you have before, what did you see? I find it a bit strange that people would give this precaution.

Hello everyone!

I recently made a post about not being able to relax (Even though the following events just happened I could still use some tips), and decided that I'd give my relaxation techniques another go today. I was lying in my bed, and I began my deep breathing and meditation. I had a very strong intent to astral project. After a few minutes, I had a falling sensation but I ignored it. A few more followed, and then my foot jerked involuntarily a few times. In my head I thought to myself No no, you aren't going to stop me. And then I felt a very weird sensation. I've had vibrations before, and this time I felt very sharp and prickly vibrations all around my neck. It was a bit uncomfortable, but I continued.

Eventually, what happened was I saw a light in the center of my vision, and there was a rainbow all around the outside of it. It began to go in circles around my field of view, and I had vibrations that pulsed along with the beat and movements of the dancing light. It was quite trippy. And for some reason, maybe I still didn't feel ready, I felt uncomfortable and I got myself up. Maybe I still have some fears lying around. I regret stopping 

Hey all.

So now that I've had the chance to really sit down and learn about astral projection, I have reached a point where I no longer have any fear and I feel confident. The only problem is, I have never been good with relaxing and sleeping. I've had so many sleep issues in the past, and each night it can take me up to an hour to fall asleep. I meditate once or twice a day now, and keep a dream journal. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what may make projecting more possible for me? The real issue now is that I can meditate for a long time, relax my body, but I never reach a vibrational state (I know you don't have to) or feel any separation. I'm such a bad sleeper that I never even fall asleep when meditating. I've tried once or twice in the morning after waking up, but I lose focus very quickly. Does anyone have any advice for me? I feel like once I can reach a hypnagogic state I will very easily be able to project. Thanks!

Hey all!

I know I've been asking a lot of questions lately. I have just finished reading Frank's explanations about phasing. My question is, since focus 3 is considered the "Transitional Phase", and it is generally where those who have passed on go, what happens when we phase there? Is there a danger of being trapped since it is generally a place for those who are now considered dead? Also-- as a sidenote, what does focus 3 look like to us? What about focus 4, is there a danger of being trapped there? It seems logical to me that if we travel to a place where we are not necessarily meant to be yet that we could be stuck.

It's not even a conscious decision. You do it when you're dreaming because it is your natural "state". You "return" to this natural state, it's a bit of going back to where you came from, a sort of homecoming.

So the question could also be worded vice versa: Why do we enter the physical (from being non-physical) at all by incarnating into this heavy biological vessel when our true essence lies somewhere else? 

That's a very interesting question aha. My best educated guess would be to learn what we can from this world to bring back to our original state.

Hey everyone!

So I understand that part of us ventures into the non-physical while we sleep. My question is, do we know why? What causes part of us to consciously, or subconsciously, do that? Why do we astral project each night? Thanks! If I'm not being clear, just let me know.

I guess you will have to experience and find those answers for yourself. What is "real, what isn't real? Those answers will only truly be answered once you experience it for yourself.

I still question everything there myself. Once I learn one thing, something else happens and contradicts or confuses that teaching. 

But that sets up the next intended destination or event. 

Thanks so much for your time! I'll continue trying to AP.

It's basically all in the perspective and mindset of the person the time.

Example: You have a False Awakening whereas you awaken in your room, almost everything is exactly the way it is here, except for whatever it is that makes you realize that you are still sleeping. Like for instance, you get up and are walking to the bathroom, you pass by your dresser and on the dresser you see what looks like a horse and buggy. You think nothing of it until behind you, you here a whip lash. You turn real quickly and see that the horse and buggy is now moving down your dresser, lol. Now you know you are sleeping. But everything else was almost an exact replica of this RTZ.

Now to someone new to this practice, this was either a really weird LD or as I have labeled it above False Awakening. Your room had the same attributes. You felt that you were really walking in your room. Which you were, just not from this dimensional perspective though. You were actually in a NP version of your room. The "trigger" was what ever bizarre circumstance made you realize that this wasn't "really" happening.

When you use the climbing out of the body techniques you will normally find yourself right beside your physical body or in your room, house etc. When you create a visualization or intent such as going to a tranquil beach scenario (one I personally enjoy), you KNOW you are completely in another area. This area is of your own manifestation, but you can still experience it as though it was "real". Because at the time, it was real to you. You can talk to others, play games, etc.. Although the talking to others usually comes via telepathic messages, but sometimes you can still hear them, like you hear things here.

You can ask questions, work out problems, etc. there. What I like to do is just ALOW the scenario to morph into what it wishes. I still have control over my actions. But now I am going to see and experience what I "need" to see. Sometimes when I become aware while in SP, I will simply say to myself, "Take me where I need to go. Show me what I need to see", then I'm off.

When I create my "open" intent, then I will find myself in some very unique areas that I can only discern as being another Dimension or Plane.

Alright! So one more scenario. What if you are viewing an event from the past as a bystander, is that event played out as your subconscious is imagining it? It sounds like a lot of what occurs in the Astral is directly from one's head. It's a bit confusing, and hard to comprehend.

When I first began to consciously AP, I needed to see the RTZ to prove to myself that this was for real and for that need. But once that need was fulfilled, I was free to look beyond and since then very rarely will I find myself in the RTZ anymore, except of course during my daily NP brief practices. In those I use the RTZ as a focus target.

It all has to do with intent. But I find curiosity plays a big role in this as well. Once you have experienced one thing, you want to expand and experience anew.

Just like my "Sig" says here "Every new experience you have, prepares you for your next new experience!  "

What's beyond the RTZ? How is it different? What are things like on the other planes? Are they, as we would call, "real" places, just on different dimensions? Thanks!

If you try to find a truth through other people's descriptions and experiences, then you will only ever be confused.

For now, put all this stuff aside... or better yet, just forget about it all.
Then, just work on having your own experiences.

Just experience.  Don't worry about what or where you are... just experience.

Alright! I'll try that. In spite of "forgetting" everything, I have stumbled upon a method that I have not tried yet. I'm going to see if it works to my advantage. Time will tell!

Hey everyone!

So I wasn't sure which section to put this in. I'm getting very confused about a couple of different things. I'm finding a bit of contradicting posts everywhere I go about different terms. Is there a stickie that I am overlooking that discusses the different planes? I'm hearing a lot of people talk about the RTZ, which as I understand it is the Real Time Zone...? Other than that, what are the other planes and how does one access them? I'm very lost  Where are we right when we exit our bodies?

If I'm not being clear please let me know, I'm not wonderful when it comes to getting my point across when writing.

I hope you haven't misunderstood me, I wasn't trying to say outright or even imply that you are not ready for a serious pursuit of AP. My point was to make you aware that early on and even for more experienced projectors, these Hypnos will occur from time to time. Regardless of how or why the Hypnos are generated, they will catch you off guard at times. When this happens, you have about one to two seconds to get control of your surprise/shock/fear and get back on track. If you can do this, the Hypno will either fade out or shift to something else. Either way, continue with your exit plan and just 'notice' the Hypno with detached curiousity.

As far as you being ready or not, I would say that yes you are. Your opening post is cogent and concise and expresses your ideas intelligently. The fact that you recognize your early SP Hypnos as being more menacing and terrifying but now, four years later, they are no longer menacing but are rather more distractionary, this tells me your perspective has matured noticeably, both on an internal level as well as an external one.

Keep this in mind: You are always safe. Nothing can harm you and there are higher powers looking out for you. You can scare yourself, but it's only your own fears.

By the way, being in the mindstate where you experience Hypnos is also a signpost that you are already there, ready to exit; just take the next step, float up or step out. Ignore the distracting noises.

Take some time to read these Stickies-- Everything you wanted to know about Sleep Paralysis, Szaxx's Astral Blueprint, Xanth's Phasing Primer.

Screeching brakes and tires would have caught me out, also! That's a good one, simple and effective!

Hope that helps some.

Thank you very much for your thoughtful response! I'm very glad that you have taken time out of your day to help me address these "issues". The next time I get close I will keep an open mind, and I will try my best to ignore any disruptions. Thanks again! I will check out those stickies too!

I've already said this a few times already but I'll say it as many times as I have to. You will be surprised what you are actually capable of confronting. Many people actually laugh at themselves for being so fearful in the first place.
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You would be doing yourself a huge favor if you stay away from the fear mongering threads. Most of them are complete nonsense. Another problem that comes from reading those fear threads is that you will come across a scenario that you had never considered personally and all that happens is that you make someone else's fear your own.

My only "warning", if it shouldn't even be considered one, is that you should prepare yourself for the possibility of having your view of reality flip around upside down. This can cause some anxiety for some who go into this hinking that all that's gonna happen is that they might fly around their city for a bit.

Interesting. As an open minded person, I don't really think the new reality realization would cause anxiety. Sure, originally while I read about this last year I was thrown off but if I'm to experience this then it would only reassure me about certain things. Time will tell.

I think, in both cases, these were hypnagogic phenomena. They are not the more scary hallucinations of your youth, now they just serve as distractions.

When you are working on an exit or even just experiencing trance, resist the urge to immediately ascribe greater importance to these "Hypnos". Nobody has figured out the exact reason for these, there are competing theories, but if you are still in your physical body, a great variety of hypnagogic hallucinations can and do occur. Even for experienced projectors, they don't completely disappear. They seem to serve as a mechanism or a check on our 'intent' to project. If it scares us back into our body, breaking our trance, or even as a simple distraction to ruin our exit, the purpose seems the same. It's a test of our seriousness, a test of our ability to maintain focus.

If a simple "Boo!" in your ear is enough to ruin your exit, then maybe you weren't ready to go out after all...

Is this an internally generated thing or is it externally generated? I'm still not quite sure...maybe both

Hypnos consist of visuals, audios, tactile sensations, intense feelings.

Sometimes you just have to disregard the Hypnos as best you can and continue with your exit. Ignore them, laugh at them, forget them and they will diminish and fade away.

Thank you for your response. You could definitely be right about me not being ready. I guess I will see.

Hey everyone!

In an earlier post I made on the Astral Experiences tab, I mentioned using melatonin once in awhile for sleep issues that I have. Whenever I take it, I have very intense and vivid dreams. Because of this, I only take it when I really need it. (I tend to have nightmares when I take it). What I was wondering, was if anyone knows if it is conducive to AP? I wouldn't take it for the sole purpose of achieving AP since I have read that it can stunt growth if you use it too often. Also, I've read that using drugs to obtain AP is not recommended(Even though this is a natural hormone tablet). Opinions?

Have you had lucid dreams?

If so... then you're good.
Don't worry so much about HOW you "get out", just experience the "out". 

People like William Buhlman (while an awesome guy) put too much emphasis and importance doing this from an awake state.  It's NOT important.

I have had very few along the years. I'm working on learning how to have them.

Hello everyone!

So last summer when I first began trying to Astral Project, I had two very strange experiences. I haven't tried so hard since then, and I've recently started trying again so my memory was jogged. Here are the two experiences. Each were on different days and at different times. I'm not sure what to make of them. I'm fairly sure they both were not OBEs.

The first one happened while I was downstairs on my couch meditating. I had gone in with the intention of astral projecting to meet my spirit guide. Once I became very relaxed, nothing was happening. I tend to get vibrations and sleep paralysis often, but this time it did not happen. What was even stranger was that I could sort of see through my closed eyes. Everything was in different shades of gray. The room was the same, it was just in dull color. However, what peaked my interest was the fact that I saw a tall girl in a long white night gown standing over me. Her hair was black and covered her face. (Her head was down). She somewhat startled me, and I figured I wasn't succeeding anyway, so I opened my eyes to find that she was gone.

I have reason to doubt that she is my spirit guide because for one thing she gave off no vibes to me. To her, I wouldn't be surprised if she neglected to even see that I was there. She just stood still. Second of all, I have a history of hypnagogic hallucinations. Ever since I was about 12(I'm 16 now), as I fall asleep sometimes I'll see people in my room who I have never seen before in my life. They are always comprised of different shades of gray, and when they move the image is almost like a flip-book. They flicker like a candle, and move slowly. After I began to see people with weapons and menacing faces, I took melatonin, a natural sleep hormone that doctors predicted I was not getting enough of. Now I rarely get these hallucinations, but it still happens.

Now for the second experience. I was lying on my bed, and I was going through some before bed meditation to calm my body after a long day of work. After I became very calm, everything fell very silent. I was focusing on my breathing when all of the sudden I heard what sounded like the screeching of tires, and then a huge crash. The sound was so loud that I jolted up, and ran to my window only to discover that there  had been no accident at all. Could this have been an auditory hallucination?

Thanks.

Oh, you're going to have a swimmingly good time then. 

Just remember... REMAIN CALM... you're safe... you're fine... keep your wits with you.  You'll be fine.

Now if only I could actually get out of body aha

[the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance.]

FDR said it best... AND it relates as much to our non-physical adventures as much as it does to our physical lives:

"I am certain that my fellow Americans expect that on my induction into the Presidency I will address them with a candor and a decision which the present situation of our people impel. This is preeminently the time to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Nor need we shrink from honestly facing conditions in our country today. This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper. So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days."

Fear.
The unknown (to you).

If you let it win, you retreat... you fall back... you don't learn... you lose.  You fight this with strength and courage.  You forage on ahead, using Love as your guiding light.

It's very funny because I was thinking of this quote right as I wrote the post ahha. I will have to try and let go of my fear. Sadly, in terms of real life fears I have a very irrational fear of open water. I love the beach, and I love swimming, but if someone were to drop me in the middle of the ocean where there is only water to see for miles on end, I would panic. I hope that same fear doesn't apply for when I would like to explore deep space. That would be a shame.

Hello everyone!

After doing some more research about Astral Projection, I've noticed that there are a lot of discrepancies when it comes to fear. Some say that so long as you are positive, that you have nothing to fear. On the other hand, some say you must take supreme caution when performing a projection. My question is, what do we really have to fear? I haven't had a successful AP yet, and I'd like to know what I'm getting into 

Thanks again!