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Well really...At least for the bad things in life we have the Astral to turn to? Many people don't know of it or don't believe in it, which is why it is such a sanctuary, if everyone on earth knew and understood it, many would use it for evil. So, think of the Astral as an escape from the physical plane

I was under the impression a true lucid dream is when you are aware you are dreaming? But I know there are some types that you have less control over and your mind runs riot

This sounds like a horrible experience. But I had always thought if you didn't want something to happen you could just go "PING!" and wake yourself up. :S I don't know very much on this. But just asking, I hope you're okay now.

No, that doesn't sound odd at all Stillwater. I completely agree. I started as a member who learned a lot of new things here due to people like Adrian and Robert and Frank. I wouldn't be where I'm at without them. I've been stating for a while now that it's a shame we don't have any resident "experts" on board any more. I question myself as to why I keep at it, but every time I think I'm done I'll get an e-mail or PM from someone that clarifies why I keep coming.

Anyways, I think the forum does well for what we're working with. I would love more assistance and input, and I hope I haven't done anything that moves this forum in the wrong direction. I have no idea where it's headed. I'm trying to figure things out as much as the next person.

Thanks Stillwater, your input is very much appreciated.

Sorry zareste, you're right as well.

It's people like you and other 'senior' posters that keep me comming here. If not I feel I would not learn so much, especially with the lack of -your- expert input. So I only log in every day because of you and other senior posters.

If it makes you feel like you are doing more. This forum has quite literally changed my life and the way I look at things. Now I am allot more calm and I found that wether people are angry or rude towards me, I can still be kind towards them. I don't understand why but I know it's because of the things I've learnt from these forums, from the inspiration in your posts and such. Now, I can also get to sleep

Perhaps that is why she cannot pull you out, because you have not been out before on your own?

It's a hard thing to explain, you are definitely on the right track. When you get the vibrations, just try to keep your mind clear feel the vibrations getting stronger and slowly moving around your body and try to just keep clear and sort of go 'deeper' into your head. It's very hard to explain and it's different for each person but that is what I do.

Hope I helped.

I think that a lot of our subconscious compulsions to help or share ideas are coming from our higher self. I think sometimes it guides us to people and places and we leave not even realizing we did something worthwhile or even amazing. We can impact people without realizing it. I would guess that most inner transformations aren't done consciously and we don't realize it until AFTER we've changed.

Where did you become so wise Stookie? This is exactly what I had in mind just...I didn't know how to say it!

I believe you are compelled to come here because, really. You know that you can do things that you may not consciously think, it may be a confidence problem or something. But what am I saying? I've never met you IRL

All I know is, what I have seen you post so far has helped me understand and just grab another piece of the puzzle which is provided from you others and of course others questions. We are all helping people here if we realize or not and every day, though you may feel you know everything you have read I can guarantee you have learnt something from here today and perhaps that is the ultimate reason you keep coming back? I just wanna make sure you DO keep coming back!

Eh, I'm not overly experienced with all other types of spiritual possibilities and such so I will let a senior poster answer you better than I can

All I can say is you have a very lucky friend and you are too

Hrn. I have to say I haven't heard of anyone having conscious realization of someone trying to pull them out from the astral, I reckon it was just your imagination, no offense meant.

However, if it is your first time do not expect it to happen. You have to keep trying at it and unless you are an amazing natural you won't be able to do it from consciousness unless it is when you're going to sleep. To get good at it we all have to keep trying and failing every night. Then one night, it will work! Then maybe two weeks or the next day, it will work again! and it slowly gets more consistent, but you must keep practicing it.

Also, has your friend APed before? If not they may have just slipped into a lucid dream.

hey I just thought of something. is it possible to go out of body with out even realizing it?

Depends on your age really and if you understand what is happening, sometimes you might just think it's a realistic dream

Indeed. I feel that the things you learn in the Astral are things you have learnt subconsciously yet reaffirming it.

Well, for me...I've always as a teenager lived in a dream world, and this seemed like a way to emulate such a thing. But...I actually found it from the game world of warcraft, one of the lore parts of it speaks of the 'emerald dream' which is much like Aping, I found a link relating to it on the web page and wound up researching it. At first I didn't -really- believe it but I -wanted- to so if there was any chance of it, what's the problem with trying something that will help me sleep anyhow?

So, I tried it for many months, and slowly forgot about doing it and just thought that it must be real. Since then I have had one OBE, it felt SO real, it was only an RTZ one but still...it felt just as people here had described it. Like real life, but -more- real and even more vivid! At first I thought I had woken up, but it was very bright and buzzy, I realised when I stood up where I was and thought...before I wake up I have to see my body, I turned round and it was as clear as ever, my body was in a strange position. Not the one I fell asleep in, and wha'dya know. I woke up in that position

This was the ultimate clarification for me, and of course my drive is to explore the wonders of APing further.

Speaking to the dead perhaps, searching for my lover, going to other planets, visiting people in their dreams, making MY dreams come true and feel real, visiting the akashic archives and so much more! The possibilities are endless for such little work, just trying every night, and if it fails it just ensures a good nights sleep or a good dream.

So, thats why.

Mhm. I have done a few things to do with programming and such myself, so I know how much better and substantial things actually are even if on the basis of things they don't look so good, usually it means the brunt of the work is done and the details need to be done now.

But, of course no game will be able to emulate APing, at least not using our current technology, maybe when simulations make you feel EVERYTHING and the computer can generate zones by your thoughts alone. But that is a loong way off.

Still, would be wonderful to see work in progress

I'd like to know if this project is still going? Sounds interesting to me. Also, iNNERvOYAGER I'd love to see some screen shots of your Astral pulse island!

This, like much of the physics here sounds VERY confusing but I think I understand what you are saying, we see our universe in a different way to what it is, or we could be apart of a dream. Either way, we will never know, for that would be the destruction of the human race, and possibly the universe.

I was in the same boat as Xanth But I believe I understand now.

You are saying like, the world could be here at the same time with the same people on it but in a different space?

I just feel like I'm being pushed back or 'out' of my body really hard and fast and then pop

With something like that surely wouldn't the possible future lottery number possibilities be too vast to ever get a pinpoint on any set amount of numbers that are gaurenteed to show?

I believe it's possible, after all...Isn't that the best clarification you could get? Something which you could -never- know, but your higher self does?

May I ask what Psionics is? I have never heard the term before.

Yeah, I'm wondering if I'm still for it...I'm so tired these days

Didn't understand half of that, anyone care to post me a simple version?

Yup, lottery...and also furthering my education, but mostly lottery I've been told it's hard to remember numbers but, practice makes perfect!

I'd be very open to meeting a guide, I understand they are in my mind already but it's a subconscious unlocked memory that I don't know, this is the reason for me wanting to meet mine. Although, my main objective is trying to remember numbers in APing, to better myself in my physical life.

I was wondering...Is there anyone that manages to achieve an OBE, lucid dream or AP every single night?