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first, as far as frank kepples 4 focus theory goes, it seems i'm stuck in f2 (much more so in f1 but that's okay) i don't know how to get to f3. i really want to go because in my mind it seems much more "real" than f2. i know, i know, they are all equally "real" but i would like to progress in my adventures and explore what else is out there. so if anyone has any suggestions on how to get into f3 that would be great.

I use "astral meditation" which is continuing a focus technique within an astral environment. Several times this has transferred me from a relatively mundane/familiar location into a bright, foreign environment. I hear you can also enter pictures in the astral to get to more exotic locations as well as enter particular passageways such as doors or caves, but my experiences haven't verified this yet.

next and i don't know how to really explain this but when i'm trying to phase, while noticing i start to get really strange sensations like someone is in the room with me. my eyes are shut of course but i will get this image as if i was looking down at my legs from a laying down position and there is always this girl kneeling at the side of my bed. i get the "girl from the ring" vibe from her and it's really quite creepy. also if shes not there i will get the sensation that there is someone right up in my face i've even been kissed one time. the problem is they are like RIGHT in my face which leads to a claustrophobic reaction which isn't really all that pleasant. don't get me wrong. these things are really cool in they're own right but it makes me feel scared a little and distracts me. if anyone else has experienced something like this id be interested to hear about that too.

Sounds like a dweller on the threshold scenario, which is a pretty common occurrence. Try to face the entities head on and probe them for information if possible. I hear giving off positive or loving energy helps as well.

^ Correct.

Maybe you could try the card thing in reverse as well as the same experiment. Maybe try to perceive which card will be next BEFORE you place it down. Then on your next OBE, try to see which card it is again without forcing it to be the card you thought of first. Make a note of both, even if they are different and then see what the card really is and report back.

Will be interesting to see if either of the "senses" was correct.

Yea I basically did that this time around and I'm thinking the 6 I saw was influenced by the 6 I perceived leading up to the experience. The 6 didn't last too long though... like I mentioned the forms were constantly changing. Numbers and letters never truly "stabilize" in my experiences so that should've been expected.

This is all theory, but as the physical/etheric "progresses" into the astral more variances are possible and probable. You were in the RTZ/etheric, but removed from the physical and hence, a certain degree of accuracy.

9/12/11

I wake up around 6 am Monday morning. I had meditated the night prior and am in a mood to have a non-physical experience, so I force myself to hold off sleep. After 10-20 minutes of meditation I fall asleep and enter the void with near, if not full awareness. With sufficient focus I find myself ascending from above the treetops into my backyard. I catch a bird's eye glance towards the southern horizon and notice a vast ocean which doesn't belong. Seeing a random ocean from the vantage point of my neighborhood isn't an uncommon occurence. Anyway, I stick the landing in my backyard and notice it's a regular cluster-f of old looking furniture and possessions. This isn't a totally new experience either. I start feeling around what looked like an antique dresser with a picture frame and unidentified knick knacks on top of it. I do this with the sole intention of remaining in the experience, as added stimulus seems to help keep me grounded in the environment. It works for a while, but soon I find myself back in the void.

I pop out in my bedroom. A perfect time to check the playing card that's been face down on my desk for several weeks. I walk over to the desk and notice objects I've since moved but luckily the card remains unscathed. I pick it up and observe numbers appearing and disappearing as I try to improve my perspective. I even see the grinning face of a Joker card at one point. It was a lot like looking at one of those pictures with lenticular printing. With no conclusive answer, I integrate back into the void. Later on in my OBE sequence I try again and see a 6 at the top of the card and a 9, or inverted 6, at the bottom. My intuition in the weeks leading up to the experience was that it was a 6, so I settle on that. (It turns out it was an 8 of spades! Boo-urns.)

I'm back in the void and attempt to put more "oomph" behind the focus technique that'll push me out of it. I'm out again in what I initially think is my backyard. Whether this is a random assumption or a forgotten aspect of this particular memory I can't be sure, but the environment I remember is nothing like anything I've seen in my area. I find myself walking towards a lake, possibly an ocean but I think it was landlocked. A giant rock is sticking out of this body of water. It's maybe the size of a typical two story house and has water shooting out the middle, much like a fountain. The bright and vivid nature of the environment is inspiring. It had a middle of the jungle vibe to it. While I'm taking this in I notice I'm with 2 or 3 other people, and we're walking towards this lake. "What's this place called?" I ask an unidentified girl not too far to my right. "Fah-nah" she responds. That's a weird name for a location I think. I follow up, "How do you spell that?" She rambles off a few letters that don't quite match her first answer phonetically. Hmmm, whatever.

Towards the end of the longer sequences it's not unusual for me to have to remind myself I'm in the non-physical. At one point I'm walking down the staircase from my bedroom and realize there's absolutely no tension or weight bearing in my leg muscles. I'm still in the non-physical, I think with enthusiasm. I walk into the kitchen and in the bathroom I find my mother getting ready for work. We have a brief dialogue but I don't remember it, as my attention is on the nature of the non-physical state itself. I observe this state as I feel it. I note how the environment and I feel electrically charged compared to the physical. I conclude with the thought that this is better than any recreational drug I've had in the physical. Not long after I return to the physical and with a post-projection body buzz and a few new memories, feel like a million bucks.

Thanks for reading and as always, discussion is welcome.

Quick question here... Is it possible to move objects while in your astral body?

Just astral objects or their physical counterparts? I do the former all the time, while I've never heard of anyone doing the latter.

Is it also possible to have people in their physical bodies notice you and think you are a ghost?

Maybe, I've read accounts where this has happened. I imagine you'd have to have a "frequency" close enough to the physical.

Dude!  It could be my imagination, but I don't think I've seen you around lately.
Nice to see ya back. 

LOL, thanks man... was a bit burnt out from the forums, the advising/theorizing, so I decided to take a break and focus on my meditation practice for a bit.

Ahh yes, I've had a few experiences where I had a stable environment enough to easily test ways to hold onto the experience. In a similar fashion, I would focus on the setting with an emphasis on maintaining full awareness on a moment-to-moment basis. In that manner, I could actually experience the "forces" that pull apart consciousness and end an experience... reminded me of a concentrated group of iron balls being ripped apart from each other magnetically. I also tried rubbing my hands together not too long ago and that prolonged my experience as well.

LOL, those false awakenings following AP are a pain. It's so easy to flip off the "Where am I?" switch and assume you're back. I've stood in front of my bedroom window (in the astral) many times questioning whether I'm going to jump out and fly or jump out and die.

Some people, while talking about AP refer to this school? or perhaps a college or a place of learning somewhere in the astral realm. They talk about it like it's a place astral beings can go and take classes and learn and they talk about being there, running in to so and so, going on a walk with them or talking with them. It seems like they're referring to a place accessible to anyone. WHAT THE HELL IS THIS? Are these types of things possible?                              <3

Yea, learning experiences aren't uncommon in the Astral. There's no specific setting designated for this type of thing though. You can learn a lesson in the middle of an Astral forest and you can shoot the breeze with students on a college campus. As to what's possible... skill and imagination are your only limitations.

No when i say " forget them " i mean don't even bother with them. They won't always be there and if you get dependent on those sensations, than when they are gone you're going to be lost.

Not true. I started with strong vibes and transitioned directly to no vibes (and have experienced a mixed bag of exit styles ever since) piece of cake. I actually found it a lot easier to transition without vibes if I recall... it's documented in the archives here anyway. It's that "base state" that becomes second nature, not the sensations.

When you hit the new reality feeling you know you are there. There is no other feeling like it.

Exactly.

I think when people say forget about vibrations/sensations they mean to forget about them "while attempting." Trance induced projection is a delicate process that is upset when you try to take control or analyze the situation. It's vital you let go of all concepts and expectations... your only goal is to hold your concentration on a single focus object, that's all. Over time you'll begin to recognize the SP/vibrational state and exiting will become second nature, but you need to learn to get there first.

does she want to have sex with me?

i took her as an evil entity blindly, and tried to kill her.

^ Not after that display, lol.

Astrals have places to live too you know. It's possible one of them was living there and they told you not to enter. I found it kind of funny how you can fling objects by thought but you can't hop a fence.

Yea, I had great hopping technique too but was literally blocked. The two experiences were different in nature as well, take a GTA game for an example... you can free roam the city but there are some places you can't trespass, then you have your mini-games. Not sure if the voice came from an "astral" as I rarely ever see life-like people in the RTZ. It seemed to come from everywhere (and nowhere) instead of one specific location.

Regarding restricted areas, during an OOBE I asked to go visit an ex-boyfriend and I saw an international symbol for 'no' (circle and slash) and then a symbol for a broken heart so I translated that as he was off limits because I had broken up with him and he was still smarting/mad/whatever. I kind of like the idea there may be some privacy rules in the astral.

Ha, I've also had picture messages when asking certain questions. But yea I agree, if the astral is truly a collective unconscious privacy rules would probably be a good thing lol.

The first time I did a retrieval, I was bringing the wounded soldier (the retrieval victim) up a large set of stairs to what would be some kind of ambulance port or dock. People came running out of the huge building connected to this dock and helped the soldier inside. I turned and went to follow, but received a very strong sensation that I wasn't to go any further here. I think this was because A:this was my first retrieval and I had seen enough already or B: this was as far as my training has taken me at the moment and to see more I must learn more first. So, I just turned around and went to the 3D Dark zone and hung out for a while before ending the session. Almost every session in the Astral yields a new lesson or teaching for me now. My favorite place to be is the 3D Dark zone, it's incredibly peaceful and there is NO Pain, which is an incredible relief for someone who lives in chronic pain. My real goal with Astral Travel is to find a way to heal myself. I will never give up, I know it can be done. When I come back from a Astral session I am pain free for about an hour.

Interesting experience. I'm in a similar boat having broken my lower spine in a few places last year though I've been able to keep pain to a minimum. What's the cause of your chronic pain?

It's 4 am. I awaken with this uncomfortable energy and can't fall back asleep. I naturally project with the "wake back to bed" method so when I do eventually pass out I hit sleep paralysis. I'm on my side which is not a normal projecting position for me. This may be why I have astral vision and can see a fairly accurate depiction of my bedroom, but have trouble escaping the paralysis. I struggle to move but to no avail. I recieve a mildly threatening yet hazy vision of a guy attacking me in third person, and not long after hear a typical creepy laugh. I wake up at last and, relieved, embrace control of my body.

I switch positions onto my stomach and soon end up in a much friendlier vibrational state. I see the backyard through my bedroom window and like second nature, rocket out over it, over the trees, marshland, brook, and train tressel behind it. The rollercoaster effect never gets old. I have a few episodes of a similar nature during this OBE sequence.

I now integrate into a location I identify as the woods not too far from my house. I see a stump and what looks like a piece of firewood sitting vertically on it. For some reason I instinctively focus on the piece of firewood. With a bit of effort it flings backwards and lands on the ground. This brings me a strange sense of accomplishment like I completed a "challenge" so to speak. As I type this and think about it, I've never bothered trying to manipulate astral objects through thought alone in the past. I'm guessing this could've been a lesson designed to help me pursue that aspect of the practice?

I find myself once again looking out into the backyard from my bedroom window. Typical, except this time I'm staring into a completely warped version of it. It's a sunny day. Everything is green this time of year in the physical, yet there are no trees. There is no brook that I can discern, just a wide open plain like you may find in the western states. The train tracks still exist, though possibly distorted, because the focal point of this experience is the train on it. When I first see it from my window, I'm taken aback. The boxcars on it are very grotesque in shape and design. I can't help but think of a lobster claw when trying to remember their appearance. I'm curious and fly over to the moving train.

The locomotive is red, sleak and modern looking like the kind used for public transportation. There are symbols and writing covering it that catch my interest, as they seem to be middle eastern or indian in origin. I begin trying to sound out any familar letters/words as the train passes. One of these words appeared to be "buWo" or "buWu."

I'm back in my bedroom and I guess I have full use of my body instead of being a point of consciousness. For a change of pace, I walk out of my bedroom, down some stairs and out the front door. I see it's just after sunset but not completely dark. It's also raining and I can feel the humidity in the air. I figure I'll go directly across the street to an old neighbor's house that was recently abandoned. Why? It's an abandoned house so buried treasure of course!

I make it to the front lawn and notice I can't simply hop this particular barrier in front of me, a fence if I recall correctly. Suddenly I hear a female voice say verbatim, "You are not aloud to go here." She sounded like one of those GPS voices... nothing threatening but firm enough for me to back off. Still, it made me question if there are really "privacy barriers" placed on different locations near the physical. I return to my body right after this.

Well hope y'all enjoyed, any discussion is welcome.

I do think, as was said, that to suggest that some iron edict be laid now and forever that he shall never at any time be released is an emotional reaction.

An emotional reaction is the hope that he is tortured to death. A logical reaction is this... the past is the best predictor of the future and human behavior is no exception here. We can never get in the gunman's head and be sure he's truly "fixed." So we have to predict and weigh risks/rewards... is this guy's freedom worth more than the 90+ lives he's taken and the more lives he could possibly take? The answer... on every level of my understanding is no.

I don't see this as an issue of pacifism though; it is more about developing a society where law seeks the best interests of all people involved, and supports those who need support, and protects the safety of all, regardless of their condition.

A superior society knows it can't have both security for all and freedom for all until it's completely purged of crime. The mentality needs to change in the free world before it does in the legal/prison systems. Until we no longer live on a planet with significant crime, poverty and abuse then deterrence through harsh consequences for harsh crimes is a necessity.

I think there's no time period within a human lifespan in which it's possible to rebuild trust in a man who methodically carried out over 90 executions. Forgive him, sure... allow him to better himself and be productive, okay... but would you want him living in your neighborhood, being around your children/loved ones? It's easy to have the pacifist mentality when the problem is on the news and not the other side of the front door. Sometimes emotion should be a factor in decision making... it's what separates us from the robots. It's how we learn life lessons. Uncontrolled emotion is bad, yes... being emotionless in far worse in my opinion. Forgetting the gravity of this situation, the lives lost and incredible amount of negative energy manifested... all to help the guy who caused it "be a good boy in society"... that doesn't seem enlightened... inhumane, maybe... but not enlightened.

I agree that a superior society acts out of logic instead of emotion/vengeance towards its criminals. However, logic dictates that a government place the protection of the society above the quality of life of a criminal. Determinism really makes no difference here... criminals will be criminals, law enforcement will be law enforcement. Stiff consequences are as much about safety for the majority as it is punishment for the criminal. Eliminating the latter should not effect a proper legal/prison system. I think the guy should be kept away from society for longer than 21 years... more like the rest of his natural life. How he's handled during that period is another matter.

Yea, absolutely. Whether or not there is an afterlife, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by treating this practice as preparation for it.

I practice open eye meditation... though sometimes it's simply to attempt telekinesis or clear my mind before closed eye meditation. Other times I focus intro the trees of my backyard, pick a leaf and hold my stare on it. Pretty soon the scene blends into just one, almost pixelated design. I've never projected from this but if I could go farther into trance I'm sure it's possible.

I love the ideas of solipsism. How do we know dream people are real? Hell, how do we know real people are real? We can see them, touch them and converse with them... can't we do that with dream people to? It all just boils down to stability... one experienced reality is stable, the other isn't. Whatever assumptions you can make based off that fact are beliefs all the same.

Congrats on the experience. The best indicators are awareness level and lucidity, not clarity or control. If you had waking awareness and the knowledge you were in the non-physical, it was an OBE. If you just had reduced or dream-like awareness, it was a lucid dream. It sounds like you experienced bilocation and sleep paralysis. These are signs that indicate an OBE.

Not too long ago I posted of an experience where I integrated from a mundane etheric environment to a breath taking astral landscape through simple meditation... my attention was averted to the visually enticing astral at that point, but I believe if I continued meditating I would've gone "further out" so to speak. This idea seems to dovetail with the story of the Buddha... he meditated through various obstacles in order to find his way to awakening... I imagine these obstacles were just astral experiences. Astral meditation, I concluded, may be the key to reaching the higher planes.

you see your going to make me look like you are one of my greatest fans, i cant have that, as i dont like fans...

Awww for realz? There goes my plans for an ether2 fan club and subsequent newsletter/bumper sticker.

Swastikas represent evil, cruelty and destruction in dreams, apparently. Maybe you're facing a threatening situation and you must make a conscious decision to put your fears/emotions aside in order to solve it.

I think it'd be just an added distraction. There's nothing the music could do that you can't do yourself. Just learn to remind yourself upon awakening to use an AP technique.

It's funny, I had a similar experience once where I projected through a city I live close to. I was certain that everything was realistic and yet there was a massive water fountain-like thing covering a portion of it. Other times I'm pretty good at playing "spot the difference." I wonder what the difference maker is between the two scenarios... perhaps parallel world/life vs. nearer to physical RTZ?

As we flew around we decided to fly to Ralph's house. I was occasionally repeating mantra as we flew. Ralph commented, "Does that mean anything?" and I replied, "It just helps me stay focused." I remember commenting on how I had more control and focus than I'd ever had before. At one point I picked a flower and smelt it, passing it to Ralph. I remember saying, "If we can create this in our mind we are more than our physical bodies" or something along those lines.

Love the interaction and overall imagery here...