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quote:Okay. You say, everyone who shuns or tries to commit miracles without accepting Jesus or whatever, is wrong, but in the bible, Moses wasn't a christian, he was Jewish. You just insulted your own faith. Too bad you aren't a robot. That paradox would have killed you.

A careful study of the Old Testament would reveal that Moses pre - existedthe birth of Christ. Furthermore up to this point in history the Jews were under the  

quote:Old Covenant

with the True God of the Bible. No offense but I am not sure on the nature of your post here. It seems to just be a vented rage at the Power of the Gospel. It should be noted that Christ DIED FOR ALL TIME and established the New Covenant with not just the Jews but the Gentiles as well. Performing miracles in any other name than the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is an act that should be avoided like the 7 bowls of God's wrath. Do not be decieved by false teachers that would use miracles under any other name than the Trinity.

Winning the battle starts from within. It starts with acknowledging your failings and accepting the blood of Christ so that the Holy Spirit may be made manifest inside of you. Then the battle will be put on the shoulders of the archangel Michael and you will no longer be a slave to the world system and its "luke warm" ideaologies.

[tinkle me the hell off]

quote:You're really starting to tinkle me the hell off everytime you post with the preaching and yelling at the top of your lungs with the caps lock, and I've only been here for like 3 days. And as for the topic, probably Jesus is laughing his butt off right now everytime he reads your posts.

Leave this thread if you do not like my writing style. The Truth of the Power of Christ will be made to the ends of the earth and it is my FREEDOM OF SPEECH to proclaim it as long as it is done in a tasteful manner. I have not cursed anyone here or said anything that could not be considered acceptable as per the rules of polite debate in a classroom setting.

Interesting how you New Agers are so inclined to have open minds but you react with such anger when someone has PASSION for the True God of the Bible who is the Lord of Lords.

Most here on the board I am sure have made claims to many "projecting" experiences. WHY IS IT THAT THERE IS LITTLE MENTION OVER THE WAR THAT IS GOING ON? From my own position there is obvious evidence of mass war in the spirtual realms when you project. I saw these things even before I joined arms with Christ. Comments on this, perceptions, experiences validating ARMAGEDDON etc?

[18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[1] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."]

quote:And Allanon, just because Jesus was and is right, doesn't make the Buddha - the enlightened one - wrong.

The Buddha was Right on a lot of matters like cleaning up our thought patterns.

However. At the time of his death the Buddha told his followers to "work out your own salvation cause I dont know" or somehing to that effect.

Christ was not on a death bed and in fact rose from the dead. Some of His last words to the disciples were to

18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[1] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."


But back to the issure at hand. Who do you think Jesus is? I have heard a teacher, enlightened human, a name. But no Saviour or Messiah? Interesting.

quote:so, thank you LuciFeR! my dear friend.

Oh man what kind of friends do you hang out with?

quote:Funny, every time my boyfriend tries to trump my arguments against mixing religion and state by announcing "The country was founded on Christian principles"

This country WAS founded by Christians and this IS a Christian country at heart. You may choose to follow idols and worship nature but the fact remains that our President and most Presidents of this country throw thier hat in with Christ. Whether they follow the principles of the Bible to the best of thier abilities I do not know.

The promotion of freedom to worship as you please is fine but sooner or later people are going to realize that WE ALL need Christ.

quote:Allanon, I don't get it. Do you worship Jesus, or God? I see you saying something like "You must trust in God!" Then "Worship only Jeus!" Confused!

For me Jesus = God.[]

quote:This is part of the longer version of the second commandment, a part which is usually left off of displays. But it clearly states not to have idols, or in other places and translations graven images. What about this monument that has brought up such controversy. Is it not being made into an idol by placing such importants on the physical object instead of placing concern on keeping the commandments? Which do you think God felt was important when these were written, the people following the commanments or the tablets that they were written on. It just seems ironic to me when here and throughout the Bible it is made clear not to place importance upon physical objects but on the spiritual and your actions, yet the issue is over a rock, a phycial object.

EXCELLENT REPLY. VERY GOOD POINT!!!! I HAD NOT THOUGH OF THAT. IT REALLY IS PUTTING THE STONE IN IMPORTANCE OVER FOLLOWING THE LAW!!!

Imagine a group of fellows living in a cess pool. They see no Way out and love to discuss the nature of the pool and the metaphysical implications of "existing" there. One day a member finds a jewel attached to a rope which leads out of the cess pool into the clean air above them. Rather than trusting the rope the philosophers continue there daily discussions on the slime and mold growing around the edges.

This is reality my friends and Jesus is the answer to free us from the sufferering. The Jewel in the cess pool. Keep your minds open but just stop and look to see if your "open mindedness" is just keeping you in a "closed cage".

quote:Poor Allanon! Sounds like all your time "out" is spent on the Lower Astral.

Well honey the sad reality is WE ARE IN THE LOWER ASTRAL. You can wishful think all you want but this place is as dense and full of matter as it gets! We have to deal with the reality that is HERE.

quote:So you're hindu?
rawk
Hinduism is far and away more scientific and less dogmatic than christianity. I know who belongs in the delusional bin, and it isn't the hindus

So we should judge the validity of a religon based on science? Which was founded in alchemy and occult practices?

I thought people here bought into the MATRIX mentality so why is there the trust of the senses?

quote:I will do what I never do...but I feel this must be said.

THE TRUTH is that you are loved. That there is a Love that exists that is so absolutely accepting, so all encompassing, so beautiful that once you have felt it you wish for nothing more than to have it with you always.

This ABSOLUTE TRUTH will set you free. In its absolutism it makes no demands. It is just there waiting for us to let go of our fears, our desires, our guilt, our need to be needed, our anger, our illusions.

There are a million illusions of fear, anger, need, desire we must peel away to reach this ABSOLUTE TRUTH that we are loved and are love, an energy beyond words. Stripe away the illusions and you will be free. No one need guide you there save your self for only you can navigate your illusions.

Thought of ABSOLUTE LOVE and peace of mind is really what it is all about. However there is a force called TERROR and FEAR that will not allow us to just fly away on cloud nine. We need a Hero to help us connect to Absulute Love an take the burdens that we all carry.

[7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.]

quote: Even hundreds of thousands of years from now, even names like Beethove, Mozart, Bach, Handel, Haydn, DeBussy, etc. will all be forgotten, fading away with time. But it does not mean that they cease to exist. This world exists to serve a purpose, and that is why it is a key part of the war.

This war we as humans cannot hope to win. Darkness abounds and it grows stronger every day. This physical world is a mirror of the higher realms and it is all too apparent that things are escalating to a boil. What can we do? How can we fight? We try to be good people but we always slip up somewhere. We yell at our friends or cuss when someone makes a mistake and this just churns the wheels of hate once more. We are not strong enough to win the war in the phsyical reality and we are not strong enough to even begin to think about conquering demons.

Mankind needs a Saviour. Needs a rope to pull us up when we slip. Needs a reason to fight on when we feel the darkness coming. All have tried in there own way to fight the good fight but it is time for the Hero.

Next time you are projecting just try to imagine this scene. The great forces of evil are massing in heaven to overcome the God of Love. The lines are drawn and the time of compromise is over. The great Dragon rises up as the first created being and the mightiest Angel in all of Heaven. Who could possibly defeat this foe? This is where the Hero comes in. That Hero is Jesus the Christ and also known as the Archangel Michael. The only One above the Dragon.

7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.


THE DRAGON TAKES RESIDENCE IN THE EARTH, HIS TIME TO RULE IS NOW. BUT THE TIME IS COMING WHEN THE ARCHANGEL MICHAEL WILL COME AND DEFEAT THE DRAGON. CAST YOUR LOT WITH THE HERO AND FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT.

KEEP ON PRAYING FOR THE RETURN OF THE HERO AND SAVIOUR OF MANKIND. HAVE FAITH AND SPREAD THE LOVE IN YOUR HEARTS THE BEST WAY YOU CAN. THAT IS THE ONLY WEAPON WE HAVE NOW. HOPE, FAITH, AND LOVE.

[7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.]

quote: Even hundreds of thousands of years from now, even names like Beethove, Mozart, Bach, Handel, Haydn, DeBussy, etc. will all be forgotten, fading away with time. But it does not mean that they cease to exist. This world exists to serve a purpose, and that is why it is a key part of the war.

This war we as humans cannot hope to win. Darkness abounds and it grows stronger every day. This physical world is a mirror of the higher realms and it is all too apparent that things are escalating to a boil. What can we do? How can we fight? We try to be good people but we always slip up somewhere. We yell at our friends or cuss when someone makes a mistake and this just churns the wheels of hate once more. We are not strong enough to win the war in the phsyical reality and we are not strong enough to even begin to think about conquering demons.

Mankind needs a Saviour. Needs a rope to pull us up when we slip. Needs a reason to fight on when we feel the darkness coming. All have tried in there own way to fight the good fight but it is time for the Hero.

Next time you are projecting just try to imagine this scene. The great forces of evil are massing in heaven to overcome the God of Love. The lines are drawn and the time of compromise is over. The great Dragon rises up as the first created being and the mightiest Angel in all of Heaven. Who could possibly defeat this foe? This is where the Hero comes in. That Hero is Jesus the Christ and also known as the Archangel Michael. The only One above the Dragon. with a great blast the trumpet sounds and battle is joined. The sword of the Archangel is pulsating with the power of pure perfection and the Dragon is cast down.

7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.


THE DRAGON TAKES RESIDENCE IN THE EARTH, HIS TIME TO RULE IS NOW. BUT THE TIME IS COMING WHEN THE ARCHANGEL MICHAEL WILL COME AND DEFEAT THE DRAGON. CAST YOUR LOT WITH THE HERO AND FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT.

KEEP ON PRAYING FOR THE RETURN OF THE HERO AND SAVIOUR OF MANKIND. HAVE FAITH AND SPREAD THE LOVE IN YOUR HEARTS THE BEST WAY YOU CAN. THAT IS THE ONLY WEAPON WE HAVE NOW. HOPE, FAITH, AND LOVE.

I am not judging just stating the fact that THERE IS AN UNSEEN WAR GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN THE SPIRIT REALMS. THE TIME OF PERGATORY IS ABOUT TO CLOSE AND IF YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST THAN YOU WILL BE DECIEVED AND TORMENTED. FOR ALL THE CLAIMS OF "LEAVING THE BODY" I SEE HERE I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU HAVE HAD NO VISIONS OF THE WAR?

quote:Allanon, my question could start a whole new tangent, but were your AP experiences induced by drugs, or shall we say, mind-expanding plants? You don't have to answer if it makes you uncomfortable.

I have been involved in the physiological aspects of chemicals and molecules on human consciousness for some time. But then again so is EVERYONE even if they are not aware of it.

1. Dreaming is the release of certain chemicals like MELATONIN and PINOLINE they don't just come out of thin air.

2. When you meditate you are closing your eyes and adapting to the dark which brings about a whole SLEW of neurological changes that effect consciousness.

3. When you FAST like Jesus did for forty days the part of the brain that deals with space and time is BIPASSED. You exist OUT of the confines of the body and are in danger of spiritual testing like Jesus encountered with the temptations of the Devil.

4. WHEN YOU DIE YOUR BRAIN WILL RELEASE MASSIVE QUANTITIES OF DMT WHICH IS BELIEVED BY MANY TO BE THE CATALYST THAT FREES THE SPIRIT FROM THER BODY. THIS IS DOCUMENTED BY SCIENCE.

Back to the question of "drug induced" hallucinations I would answer that some were but THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES WERE NOT BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT CHEMICAL WIRING COULD NOT BE FOUND TO PLAY A PART.

All of your most profound experiences in the astral are caused by the chemical DMT which is produced in the pineal gland. You can say that it is just the right "time" to be shown something but it has a biological basis. All in all though it really does not matter.

WHAT DOES MATTER IS THAT THERE IS A WAR HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN THE SPRITUAL REALMS. YOU ARE WITH CHRIST OR AGAINST HIM. YOU ARE ON ONE SIDE OF THE GATES OF THE OTHER. THE TIME IS DRAWING NEAR WHEN THE FINAL BATTLE WILL BE OVER AND ALL THIS "PURGATORY" TIME WILL BE CLOSED. CHRIST WILL MAKE ALL THE UNIVERSE UNDER HIS SOVERIEGN RULE AGAIN AND EVIL WILL BE PURGED FROM THE MIND OF THE BELIEVERS. ALL THE AP EXPERIENCES IN THE WORLD DO NOT MATTER IF YOU DO NOT ALLY WITH CHRIST. THAT IS THE POINT THAT I AM TRYING TO MAKE. IF YOU GUYS ARE SO CALLED "PROJECTORS" I JUST DONT SEE HOW YOU HAVE HAD NO CONTACT WITH THE BATTLES THAT ARE BEING FOUGHT.

[11there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. 12All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."[3] 13"Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit."[4] "The poison of vipers is on their lips."[5] 14"Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness."[6] 15"Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16ruin and misery mark their ways, 17and the way of peace they do not know."[7] 18"There is no fear of God before their eyes."[8] 19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.]

11there is no one who understands,
      no one who seeks God.
   12All have turned away,
      they have together become worthless;
  there is no one who does good,
      not even one."[3]
   13"Their throats are open graves;
      their tongues practice deceit."[4]
  "The poison of vipers is on their lips."[5]
       14"Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness."[6]
   15"Their feet are swift to shed blood;
       16ruin and misery mark their ways,
   17and the way of peace they do not know."[7]
       18"There is no fear of God before their eyes."[8]
19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.


WE MUST BE SAVED FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE LAW WHICH IS ETERNAL SEPERATION FROM GOD DUE TO OUR SINS.

[18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's INVISIBLE QUALITIES--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and WORSHIPPED AND SERVED CREATED THINGS rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.]

THE NEW AGE DECEPTION

What you imply with your quotes Adrian is one of a reality that is

Panthiestic
Materialistic
Determinist
Mystical

Christ is totally SEPERATE from this reality. If God choose to stop thinking about us we would be GONE. Poof end of story. We are a MODE not a SUBSTANCE. God is the only true SUBSTANCE and is TRANSCENDANT of this world. HE IS NOT PART OF IT. He will continue to exist WITHOUT is and we have no AFFECT on HIM. He however has an effect on us. He is in complete control. Your false understanding of the nature of God's Word can be summed up below.....

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's INVISIBLE QUALITIES--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and WORSHIPPED AND SERVED CREATED THINGS rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.


The statement "The World is God" is the NEW AGE DECEPTION.

quote: i can see that perhaps the visions were maybe telling you that your path is with jesus, but what gave you the idea that everything else is satan's work?

When I was heavily into the AP and Shamanistic work I had many encounters with the Devil. That is all I want to say about that. Let me just say that the Devil is the spirit of TERROR and FEAR. That is once you get to really experiece him. He came to me in dreams a lot too. This was before I found Christ.

The time I remember the most was a dream I had that started out in a restaraunt. I was there with friends and the next thing I know everyone in the restaraunt falls asleep and there faces fall in their meals. I was the only one not asleep. I ran outside and once I did I began to hear what I would call STATIC or SKILL SAW ON METAL type of vibrations. It was like hearing LIGHTINING down to the atomic level or something. It was LOUD LOUD LOUD. I heard it in the middle of my brain past my ears like it was INSIDE me. It continued for a minute and then began to break up into slower vibrations until there was space in between the constant hum. What came next was the most terrifying experience I believe I ever had in my life. It was the voice of Satan but he spoke in a language that was different than anything you could imagine. I UNDERSTOOD what he was telling me. I understood it at the time but the only thing I really KNOW he said to me was that I was HIS and it was like hearing your own sentence to damnation. The humming felt like it was crushing me into a little ball and I awoke suddenly and immedietly ran outside and just freaked. I calmed myself down and went into the house and GOT ALL THE MAGIC BOOKS I HAD and got them out.

EVER SINCE I HAD THAT EXPERIENCE WITH WHAT I KNOW IS THE DEVIL I HAVE TROUBLE TELLING WHETHER I AM DREAMING OR AWAKE. SOMETIMES IN CLASS I THINK I AM ASLEEP AND CANNOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE AT ALL.

DONT SCREW AROUND WITH SPELLS AND MAGIC. TRUST THE BIBLE WHEN IT SAYS IT IS BAD.

To your question on "everything else being Satan's work" in that I mean if the FRUIT of the action is not glorifying the Goodness of Christ or His Word than it is BAD. Giving into magic, meditiation with no purpose, orgies and lustful acts, worshiping idols, APing for the sheer hell of it, calling to false gods, supporting relativistic thinking...etc, etc, etc all that stuff leaves you at the mercy of the evil ones and it will screw up your mind. Trust the Word of God when it says that Jesus is the GOOD GUY and the only SPIRIT you need.

Once again my testimony is of little merit. Trust the Bible. Just trust me when I say the end result of trying to find God without Christ is like climbing Mt Everest without a rope. If you fall, there is no one there to take up the slack.

quote:God is the entire Universe, we are God and God is us, and everything functions according to Universal laws

Pantiestic, Mystical jargon which originated from the mouth of the heretic Spinoza.

quote:"thus spoke zarathustra",

No but I have heard of Zoraster. He is the founder of Zorastianism correct? My post came strait from the heart and I did it last night at 2 in the morning even though I was tired and have class in the morning. My motives were pure on this subject and I am not out trying to be a big shot. I saw those things and it sucks because I cant talk to it to anyone because they react just like going slow did and say that I am on some High Horse.

And if I tell the Church I am trying to help they may think I am there to start trouble or I am just a BSer.

Sometimes I just want to forget those times because it makes me feel like maybe I really am losing it. But that is probably just due to too much heat this summer. LOL.

First of all I really did not want to delve into the "whys" of my Path. Most of my good friends dont even know about those experieces and I dont see why you cant just trust me. If you want confirmation I have a little proof. Go to this link.

http://www.christianforums.net/

My name is Soma Sight on this forum. Talk to Henry, or Vicjr, or Justice, or Anariel and THEY WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT I WAS HARD CORE AGAINST JESUS FOR A WHILE AND PROMOTED UNIVERSALISM AND SHAMANISM. I have close to 400 posts on that board saying that Christians are closed minded bastards that are wrong and that the Light at the end of the tunnel is Jesus, Buhhda, Krishna, etc, etc. But I was WRONG. The Right Way is through Christ alone. It took a lot for me to admit it to those guys on that board. I am telling you that I am not lying to you guys here. Once you accept Christ and start reading the Bible your mind CHANGES. I used to be into AP more than anyone I know. Trust me when I say that Satan is real as well and if you keep on with this without the Holy Spirit bad possesion cases may occur. It is not cool. But that is it for this thread. I told you the whys of my story and if you dont believe me than I could understand that. I mean it is the internet!!!!

quote:You cant save anyone

That is God's job.

quote:You're not a preacher, you're not a prophet. And here's a news flash allanon you know christ less than most here.. Your anger and ignorance not to mention your lack of respect keeps you further from him than 90 percent of the people who chat here.

Christ wont come to you faster because you bend down and try in your human way to kiss his butt and demonstrate you love him the most. Beings like that see through the bovine excrement (though your bovine excrement isnt hard to see through) and look at the heart. You're an angry confused little person. That is all.. you couldnt convert a single person here.

You need to find christ.. Youre far from him and his teaching. Im not saying that to judge.. its only the truth. Please accept jesus and shut the hell up.

Fair enough. I was just giving my testimony that is all. You didnt have to read it. I am being honest about what led me to where I am that is all.

God bless you and I hope things turn out good for everybody.