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In my experience if you go Lucid and attempt an OBE into the RTZ it becomes automatic. Nothing to it. So Yes I think it was an OBE. (And yes there is a subtle but unequivacable difference)

Last night I did one, and tried to do a full AP, but apparently I was low on "fuel" cause I think I did not make it through the buffer. It was think and mirky and I did not break on through to the other side.

no_leaf_clover and tab:

I agree with you 2. Like Mayatnik's first massive post says, the truth shall be known. So if these guys are for real, it will be known eventually. I'll keep my eye on them myself and make up my own mind. The channelling or telepathy is a tool that can be used for good or evil. Lets hope these guys aren't being manipulated by somebody out there. Or maybe someone in the astral is just pulling the biggest paractical joke in interdimensional history.[] But it could also be the real thing.

But if someone starts asking you to sell all your stuff and move out makes me wonder. Also all the doomsaying is not to my taste. Thank god I don't like kool aid.[] But I do have a pair of Adidas[xx(].

I hope they can come up with more concrete proof before its too late. The posts of the conversations are interesting, but they are not overwhelming evidence. And I do tend to give them the benefit of the doubt because of my own experience.

There ya go!!

Kazbadan

I hear what you are saying. I do hope these guys aren't lying. But my guess is that we will all find out one way or another sooner rather than later. I don't like when people give a specific date for something to happen. (Late 2012) Nothing ends up happening.

I will continue to live my life as I have lead it so far, but I will keep an eye for these things. Like I said in my last post in this thread, I have had my contacts so I do give Mayatnik, Edi, Truthseeker, et al the benefit of the doubt.

Never been a fan of astrology. Too vague. There is something to be said about cycles, though. Maybe the "validity" of it lies there and not in actual astral influence. Perhaps natural cycles in life coincide with some astronomic cycles and a coincidence turns into causal effect, in the minds of astologers. And since there are so many complex cycles out there, at least one can made to fit life's diferent natural cycles.

Then again, I must accept that I am biased in that I do not believe that destiny is a fixed set of events. I believe that destiny is a path put in front of us that if we are wise and follow it, it will make our lives easier and more fulfilling. Astrolgy by its nature is too rigid for my view of life. I find the pendulum, Tarot and the I Ching to be more reliable (but not perfect)oracles than astrology. And I have looked into it. It just does not fit my view. But if you have find a way to make it help you, go for it.

Dang!!!

Sure hope all that was for real. Sounds good to me!!!

I can confirm a couple of things from the linkups, though:

1- I did have an experience of being contacted in a Lucid Dream and waken via the "vibes". I was told a few things I have since confirmed. I did post something about it on this or the other Mayatnik thread. And one more time I think. Nothing major. Just that the Freemasons were in contact with them. (oops. I hope they don't come knoking on my door tonight)[]

2- Not all guides are ETs. Mine is an "ascended" Franciscan Friar from 14th century England called Tom. (yes, just plian Tom) Guess not all catholics are bad. Ha ha. Just kidding.[]


Hey if y'all need more volunteers for contacts, I'm game.

["The bible is the word of God, because it says so in the bible."Is that your argument?]

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The Bible is the Word of God and all we have to go by.

Prove it. You just have your faith. And faith is no proof at all. Just because its written it does not mean its true. Ask anyone working in The New York Times.

"The bible is the word of God, because it says so in the bible."

Is that your argument?

Or is it because of its self-fulfilling prophecies? War in the Middle East anyone?

["REPENT"]

Did the bookburning biblethumper [)] actually say "REPENT" ? WOW!!! [:O] Remind me never to take Kool-Aid from this guy!!! [xx(]

Well I shouldn't laugh. I used to be one. Then I grew up. So I DO KNOW THE LINES. I guess that's why I get so ticked off at these guys. They really messed with my mind back then. Talk about brainwashing and cult mentality. I was strongly discouraged to read anything else that was not on the church's bookstore. And yes, I was forced to burn books.
But you know what fellow Astralpulsers, I think this guy is not even for real. He is so stereotypicaly intolerant its almost a joke. REPENT??? Brings back memories! How intolerant I was. So yes I have repented. Never again will I be a Biblethumper.

Morality is an effect of being spiritual. Spirituality leads to morality. Morality as a means to acheiving spirituality, as proposed by radical judeo-christian philosophy, leads to selfrightousness and book burning intolarance.

What is moral? I'd say respect and love. Specific actions that flow from that are moral, and spirituality makes respect and love very natural.

And these spirituality is what we all seek. You cannot put the cart before the horse. Morality before spirituality leads to witchburning, jihad, religous terrorism, and hatred of others who do not follow your pet dogma.

And I do not consider myself a new ager. But I do seek spirituality in all its forms. Christianity was too superficial, dogmatic and mythological for me. But if it works for you, go for it.

Wow!! You missed my point completely!!

I DO NOT HATE THE USA at all (to bad you do). Or its people. I went to college in the States. I consider myself a friend your country. And no I do not want to read Anti amrican views. Your the one being antiamerican, not me and I haven't even been in your country in 7 years.

It's a shame if you are so pesimistic about your own country. ANd the American Revolution was the birth of your nation. You cannot come of age at birth?? It happened in 1776 and you did not even get your constitution until 1787. Read your own history. And read some world history while you are at it. How  provincial of you!!!

And yes Beavis. The United States of America is not DYing. If it takes a Honduran like me to make you understand so be it. Yes the US has made its share of foreign policy mistakes, but it has done a great job in other cases as well. Trust me. I see it from the outside and it looks good to me. Yes it needs improvement but it takes work and it can be done.

IT IS NOT bovine excrement!!! READ YOUR HISTORY!!!

shadowatcher

English is the dominating language, or lingua franca, around the world. Not just the USA. More english speakers in China then in the USA, or so they say. And the title of the thread you started is "The End of the Western World", which also includes the EU and our continent, as far as I know. Oh And the brits are a few THOUSAND years older as a people. They reinvented democracy in the 13th century, before the US existed. And other nations like Iceland have had a parlament since the begining of the LAST millenium (aka Althing).

But my point is that I do not think the US is at the end. Not at all. As any leader it has made mistakes, and many are being corrected. Democracy and Capitalism is alive and well in most of the western world. Yes, it still needs tweeking. The US is not dying, but coming of age perhaps.

And the reason I'm butting in is because an outside perspective sometimes helps dispell overexhuberance or, in your case, pessimism.

Cheer up. Your country is not dying, just changing.

Fallenangel77

The Roman Empire is alive and well. But its now called the Vatican. My personal take on history, yes. But I think its correct.

The brits still have there empire of sorts. They call it the Commonwealth. Its no longer political, but Damn if its not economic.

[World Wide]

I am not from the USA, But I am a friend of the USA. One of my friends from the USA asked why many people around the world hated the USA, and this is in short what I told him (I say all this things as a friend):

1- You are very provincialy arrogant. Example: Shadowwatcher says

quote:We have failed our duty as Americans, to prevent this war.

You say this as everyone on the World Wide Web and in this forum is from the USA. This forum was started by an Australian, not in the USA. This is also seen on small online businesses who dont even consider the posibility of selling outside the USA. Its like the rest of the world was not watching, or even existed. I once tried to buy some stuff from a small vendor online and he could not sell to me because his/her shopping cart software did not include other countries.[:O][?]

2- You are the most powerful and influential nation in the world today, yet your provincial attitude permeates your foreign policy. Your nation, like it or not, is THE LEADER OF THE WORLD, yet many of the policies are isolationist and ethnocentric. THIS DOES NOT WORK. You play favorites in the international arena (e.g. Israel). Your foreign aid is used as another weapon of foreign policy and not for development purpose. Foreign aid, although appreciated by nations like mine, has strings attached. And although in dollar amounts your are the second biggest donator in the world (Japan wins!!), when it is considered as a % of GDP, you don't even make the top 25. The US gives less then 0.1% of GDP in foreign aid, while on average the EU nations give around 0.4%, and Denmark gives more than 1% of there GDP. (Source: The Economist)

3- The historic Flip Flopping of alliances (e.g. Noriega, Hussein, the Muhajadeen) makes you look like a neurotic giant and makes everyone nervous and paranoid.

4- The image of the "ugly american" is very much alive around the world. I could tell you stories . . .. Just because countries like mine are poor, don't be surprised when you come down and see that we do have technology. Every small town yes has the image of the burro and all that crap, but they all have cybercafes, and digital cell phone access. And the big cities are not that different from yours. (Hell, I own a cybercafe).

5- And my personal pet peeve: THE WHOLE CONTINENT IS CALLED AMERICA, not just your country. That's why I ve avoided the term in this post.

Like I said, I say this as a friend of the USA[]. But freindship involves calling friends on their mistakes, and not kissing their butt.

[You are no better than radicals like Osama bin Laden.]

Allanon:

Your intolarance is what book burning is all about. You fear of other people's ideas and you blame anything that does not fit into your little dogmatic box of believes on the mytholgy of the devil. Your intolarance is the type that made women with traditional knowldge of herbs and medicines burn at the stake, at the urging of the medical establishment of the 16th century. You are no better than radicals like Osama bin Laden. You take a good book with very vague teachings and which has been politicaly manipulated by the former Roman empire (i.e. the Vatican in the 4th century) into its present state, and claim its The word of God??? And how do you know this? You don't. You just have faith and a few self-fulfilling prophecies (a war in the middle east? duh!!).  

So the validty of your believes is equal to the believes of a native in the amazon.

What next Allanon? Burn a few non-christian place of worship?? Bomb a few abortion clinics? Dance with poisonous snakes? Another Inquisition? More witchhunting? Read your History. Thats one thing about you radicals: you only read what your pastor or priest approves. Expand your Mind. Don't let others give you YOUR opinion.

And by the way, meditation IS a form of prayer. Why do you fear it?

The best way to OBE is to find your own technique that suits you the best. Vary on the many techniques out there as much as possible until you find, via trial and error, the perfect method for you. We are all different. Its all a matter of practice, practice, practice. And the discipline to keep at it.

Maybe the first step for all begginers should be to work on your self discipline skills, and then go for the OBE.

I'd like to see some raw footage of his show. No editing or maybe go to his show myself to make up my mind. He's pretty good, but so is David Blane and he is an illusionist. But I'd give John the benefit of the doubt and say he is for real.

Thanx Hpnotist for that clear explanation.

Could you give me a simple self hipnosis technique? I'd like to use it to help me establish some trigger mechanism for me to go into Lucid dreaming more frequently and stably.

Ever since doing NEW, I can remember more dreams than I could before. And they are usualy more vivid too. Like Athios sais, energy is the key. They will also help build your strength for future OBE practices.

I agree with you fallnangel77, in that avoiding the exit sensation should increase your odds of success. That is why I preffer OBEing out of a lucid dream. And yes getting lucid within a dream is tricky, but once you master it (which I have not yet fully) any "psychic" exercise is much easier and more powerful, or so I've read.

Your technique sounds good. I will try it.

SOunds like an energy blockage or imbalance. Do more energy work to make sure your energy paths are clean and clear and in balance before attempting another OBE. Think of it as trying to run a marathon before being properly trained. You have to build up your astral strength and endurance.

Also when trying to OBE one does get some chest pressure. This might be a possitive sign of future success. Personally I can only OBE from a lucid dream. But I have come close from a trance, and the pressure is there.

I agree with Kromeknight. Going from a Lucid Dream to OBE is a lot easier. Its the only way I have been able to do it.

You have to figure it out for yourself. That is the whole point. Don't let anyone give you your opinion. If somebody claims to know it, watch your wallet cause they are trying to sell you something. The search is the important part.

Try the one on this thread:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5205

The author of it claims it is good for OBEing, but I found it was the easiest way to go into a deep and stable trance. Could not OBE from it, though.

To paraphrase Al Pacino: "Just when I was out, it pulls me back in."

Not the viagra effect, but I have had the tension of my body become strong enough to boycott my ROPE attempts. I try it once in a while now but same effect. I have had some success OBEing out of Lucid Dreams. Much easier. No physical body to get in the way.

Science can't even prove, in many cases, a direct cause and effect relationship between two events. They make asumptions on cause and effect given a proven statistically corrolation between one state and another. In psychiatry for example, the science that could help investigate AP, it is assumed that depression is caused by a low level of seratonin. What they really know is that there is a statisticaly close relationship between a low seratonin level and depression. But cause and effect? It could just as easily be argued that depression causes the low level of seratonin.

Also science requires some faith. Faith in other people's work. How do this sceintist know that the findings of their predecesors are right. Through out scientific history, previous findings have been proven wrong.