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[TruthSeeker]

Hello Everyone,

Yesterday, exactly 24 hours before this post here, TruthSeeker had his very first contact with the Zeta, and an excellent conversation with them, during which the accent in the session was about the background to what the Zeta are all about and what is happening at this time and as we go forward from this point now.  The Zeta, Naren (Truthseeker's guide) and myself, all provide information in this session which you will find below, for the reader to now become more aware and begin to accumulate a storehouse of True Knowledge that will take the Earth forward to the giant leap in Mankind's evolution that is coming soon.

Truthseeker is shown in RED (often putting "Me:")
Naren is shown in ORANGE – ( also as N: )
ZETA are shown in GREEN
(I, MAYATNIK am shown in BLUE

TruthSeeker talks with the Zeta

MAYATNIK says:
Would you like to have a session for you to talk to the Zeta?
TruthSeeker says:
Yes I would really like to talk to them.
I feel like I've been standing still the last few days, walking in circles.
MAYATNIK says:
Do you feel ok now?
TruthSeeker says:
Yes I'm exellent.  All is very quiet here now.  Everyone's gone to bed, so ideal time.
TruthSeeker says:
You see I really want to learn more.. I feel like a door has been opened, but I'm only able to take a small peek inside.
MAYATNIK says:
The reason why you feel you've been "standing still" is because I've not been able to arrange this session until now – this is due to the fact that the events of the 17th affected you adversely by the suddenness and therefore shock as you witnessed the Zeta guide taking the visitor (whom I'd invited to our telepathy multichat) into an Astral Projection... and you simply had not been expecting that, hence they 'symptoms' that are often the side-effect of AP-ing episodes; particularly, in your case, the temporary loss of full teleapathic ability.
MAYATNIK says:
So, my guide Karek - as supervisor - and your guide, Naren, both wanted you to have some time to settle down again before we did a link-up with the Zeta for you, for which Karek is the facilitator.  They have decided that the time has now come, and that you are ready.
MAYATNIK says:
Have you talked to Naren about it?
TruthSeeker says:
No, I find it hard to get sentences..  (this is since the 17th)
MAYATNIK says:
Well that is what you need – to be able to receive sentences.  And that is why, also, that I am here in in these link-up sessions to ensure that you are accurately receiving, because I check througout with your Pleiadian guide and I am also in contact at times during the session privately with the Zeta.
MAYATNIK says:
The overall purpose of my 'monitoring' in this then, is to enable a presentation here on MSN Messenger that will make what is happening clear to reader  of the transcript, and to ensure its validy – since anyone could say they were in contact with the Zeta.
MAYATNIK says:
Let's do a session then............and you type everything that you hear, putting N:  before it.........and all that you say (to me and to Naren) plus your comments as well.
TruthSeeker says:
Ok
TruthSeeker says:
Me: Are you here Naren?
N: Yes
TruthSeeker says:
Me: I want you to tell me something, a sentence, any sentence. Could you do this now?
N: .....
MAYATNIK says:
So....... what do you hear?
TruthSeeker says:
Nothing.
N: You need to separate your own thoughts from my messages
TruthSeeker says:
A sentence like that shoots in when I'm not expecting an asnwer.
MAYATNIK says:
Exactly !!!
MAYATNIK says:
Stop trying.   There's no need to strain your ears all day long listening for any sound........and no need to strain your eyes peering into every corner........ you simply hear and see........you don't even have to think about it........
telepathy is just another 'sense' like hearing and seeing.
TruthSeeker says:
N: Yes I am at all times in contact with him (Mayatnik).
I do not recall me question, but it was an appropriate answer
TruthSeeker says:
N: You will do just fine now.
TruthSeeker says:
N: Just let go.
TruthSeeker says:
N: Yes there are infact "spaceships" around Pluto
Me: I just read about it and asked.
MAYATNIK says:
It is a good way to talk to Naren at any time you are reading information books...beause he can add so much more, and correct things that are wrong in the books.
MAYATNIK says:
So now.... can we do a Pleiadian 'Instant AP' to warm up before Naren makes the Zeta link-up.....
TruthSeeker says:
Me: Could you show me a picture?

A church, read brick-walls. Tall bell-tower. Sunny day. Green grass lawns, with big green trees scattered along the lawns.
TruthSeeker says:
It's somewhere in the U.S
MAYATNIK says:
You can go into any 'scene', and walk around.
TruthSeeker says:
Michigan or "Cincinnati" (Closest thing I can get to something that sounds like place)
MAYATNIK says:
It's a new style 'community' that is built around the church...... the church runs many things for the people..and it is like a min-town.
TruthSeeker says:
Are you talking about this particualr church?
MAYATNIK says:
Yes.... < ----- (I had mentioned it to give him confidence, which he needed)
TruthSeeker says:
Then you can see it as well...
MAYATNIK says:
Yes..... Naren sent it to me, for me to know where you are - but it is your exercise! ..... I am merely confirming here.
MAYATNIK says:
So, walk around......step into the picture......and just 'go'......Naren will be with you.........explore, and talk.......describe what you see and what happens by typing it.......you can be in both places at once.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: take me back there please, Naren.. To the church.

There is a dark basement. Lots of dust and spider-webs. On the outside the sun is shining. I want to talk to one of the kids runnining the street. It is a small boy with a red cap. His name is Bob and he tells me this is his home. Everything, the whole wown is centered around this church.
TruthSeeker says:
The priest is inside the church.. He has his own room in the hall at the back of the church. He is reading something. A parchment of some kind. He is taking notes on a paper.
TruthSeeker says:
The church has a lot of doves living at the roof. There are even doves inside the church, flying back and forth every now and then. A man is walking up hte street. He has a bowler-hat...It is the major of the city. He looks at me and walks away.
TruthSeeker says:
The city has a lot of nature around it.. Running streams of water. The forest has a "wet" feel. It is early in the morning. The major was on his way to work.
TruthSeeker says:
Most people are not up yet, but in half an hour the city will be awake. The children do not attend a normal school. They are taught at church. A woman is their teacher, her name is Sandra.
TruthSeeker says:
I left.....
TruthSeeker says:
N: You did good there.
MAYATNIK says:
Notice that you could 'feel' the wetness, 'know' about the man...... all those things, more than just seeing.
TruthSeeker says:
It was not an actual event.
TruthSeeker says:
N: It was a "scenery".
MAYATNIK says:
I call it a 'cameo' (an English expression).....Many of these such are 'presented' for a person in training – they are in fact also presented to ordinary AP-ers, for them to get 'experiences' and interact with 'situations', though AP-ers are not aware what the purpose is....for their level of awareness to be assessed usually, by those who 'create' the scene for the AP-er..   You, on the other hand, have a guide who accompanies you, and will sometimes explain these things
MAYATNIK says:
It'a moving picture of 'events'.....  on a 'stage-set' specially contstructed by the guides for 'exploration practice'.
TruthSeeker says:
N: At a deeper relaxation you will be able to move more "into" the picture. This can also be done in the relaxation-level you are at now, but it takes practice.
TruthSeeker says:
N: Typing long sentences or even keywords will help, as well as you can look back at it later.
TruthSeeker says:
N: Yes we can talk to the Zeta when you are ready, but you have some more questions to ask first.
TruthSeeker says:
Will talking to the Zeta be just like talking to Naren (exept the more polite/diplomatic tone)?
TruthSeeker says:
N: There will be a different "feel" to it, but as long as you "let go" you will be able to percieve then just fine.
TruthSeeker says:
Are you here Mayatnik?
TruthSeeker says:
N: Yes he's here
MAYATNIK says:
I'm here.
TruthSeeker says:
oh
MAYATNIK says:
I'm just watching – that's what Naren has asked me to do at this time, with the minimum of my interaction here, for a purpose..........you can ask Naren some questions about how it will be with the Zeta, and what Naren does about it.
TruthSeeker says:
N: I will connect you to Zeta through our "main-frame". You will be able to get a "feel" of the "persons" involved, as well as you will be able to talk to them.
N: Yes all of them can talk to you, but some of them are just observers.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: Tell me something about them(the Zeta)
The Zeta are located at a mothership. As Mayatnik has told you the ship has been provided by the Arcturians. They wil have a room of their own, but there will be others outside that room watching(No point in hiding it since you have allready read about it - gentle smile).
TruthSeeker says:
N: You forgot to include the "N:", that is very important for further reference. < ---- (This is a common practice for the guides to sometimes tell the person if a point needs to be stressed about something like this, and other things in their teaching and 'training' by the guide.
Those who say that it may be the person's imagination and not an external communication have not had a guide telling them off  (albeit they are always gentle in their remonstration) about something!  It is unmistakably not the person's own mind.
TruthSeeker says:
N: If you are ready we will contact the Zeta now.
TruthSeeker says:
Z: Greetings
Me: Hello Zeta Reticulans, I am pleased to be talking to you.
Z: The pleasire is on our side as well.
Z: You can ask us every question you would like.
Me: Tell me something of your home planet.
Z: We are scattered amongst many planets in this universe. We have no Planet that we can refer to as home more than anything else. We live in Planets with oxygen and we enjoy nature. We have large cities where we live our lives. The duities we perform are very varied. We are scientists and builders as an example. And as you must understand, some of us have been sent out here to assist you.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: Many people are afraid of you, based on wrong beliefs given by many sources. Is the reason for you being in contact with me now to share the knowledge of waht you really are?
Z: This is one of the reasons, yes. We have a job to do very soon on earth, and we need to convince people that we only wish to help.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: Abductions happen apparently, why is this?
Z: We "abduct" humans by escorting their astral body to our ships. There we perform "checkups" and we subconsciously provide the subject with information. This information can be realeased at our will, and with the subjects will, combined.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: There are six of you there in that white room, there are only one of you doing the talking with me. Why is this?
Z: As your guide, Naren, has allready told you: They are here to observe and be present.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: Tell me something about how your community works, is there a president or a King?
Z: At the top we have the Council. Several of the oldest and wisest of us sits there. This is where decicions are made. We do not however have an indirect democracy. Ever citizen of our community has his say, and desicions are based upon that.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: Why is it that all extra terrestirals I have heard of are "humanoid"?
Z: We are all the same. We are beings of Light and has developed from the same Source. We were once like you, but we have grown. How we look now is due to the choises we have made during history. We are masters of genetics, and have shaped our physical bodies as we see fit. Our body has no need for food, as it is energy-relyant and can "digest" pure energy.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: What will be your task here when the Pole Shift arrives?
Z: When the Pole Shift begins we will be on earth assisting those who accept it. After the Shift we wil walk amongst you and give you guidance and support. We will help you in starting communities once again, and we will ensure that the most beneficial actions are taken for you further well being.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: What will happen to the governments we have?
Z: They will fall, and it's members that did you no good, will die. New Government eqivilants will not be formed. You will be based on a Counsil that takes your decision, and you will have a "widened demoracy". You will be assisted in this both by us, and others.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: I can not find any more questions to ask you right now.
Z: That is fine. We are here to answer your questions at all times, and Naren will fix this for you.
Me: Thank you very much for your time.
Z: The pleasure is all ours
Z Be well
TruthSeeker says:
N: You did very well there. Do not worry about not having any more questions, there will be more time to ask them.
TruthSeeker says:
N: I am very pleased.. (big smile)
MAYATNIK says:
It was very informative for people
TruthSeeker says:
(Naren is dancing..)
TruthSeeker says:
N: What you did here aided the greater picture of things to come. People will be more prepared for what is coming.
MAYATNIK says:
These are some of the things that I learned when I was talking to the Zeta many years ago now, so you can see this Agenda for Earth is long-established.  People will now be able to learn what I was told.  At the time, I was told not to reveal those things, and that has been the case until now, until it became time - but there are now going to be a growing number who will learn telepathy and be able to ask on behalf of others, and write down what they and the zeta were discussing.  So, in this way it will benefit all.
TruthSeeker says:
*The Zeta is leaving the half-moon-shped table*
TruthSeeker says:
They wore blueish-white robes. Their appearance was very wise and trusting.
TruthSeeker says:
Their big eyes was very deep and there were a very strong kindness there.
MAYATNIK says:
It felt good to be there
TruthSeeker says:
Most certainly.
MAYATNIK says:
You can arrange with Naren on other occasions to talk to them and they will welcome your questions.
MAYATNIK says:
Because you will want to let people know this information, then this 'format' on MSN Messenger is ideal for this....... sometimes you can just make notes if you are away from the computer, and then write up your account later – even better, if you are not at the computer, to use a tape recorder at the time.......and people will benefit greatly from that..........You are an Emissary and representative of Humankind now.
TruthSeeker says:
How should I use this information?
MAYATNIK says:
The information is for all to hear about - and for now, can be published on the Astral Pulse on the thread.....I am here at this time to assist and write these first few posts.......
Naren will explain a little more about this, and what the plan is to expand from here.
TruthSeeker says:
Ok.
MAYATNIK says:
Can you type what Naren says about this now.
TruthSeeker says:
N: The plan is: Edward will finish what he is doing at the Astral Pulse. Then he will be given other tasks that does not include online guidance. He will be working with persons, and he will be the Base of where you will be "operating" from. He will still be around to help you. You will aswell be given certain tasks when it is time, but for now you should familiarize yourself with all of this.
MAYATNIK says:
The reason why I am 'monitoring' these sessions has in part to do with the presentation........a standard presentation that you and others will adopt as you get familiar with it... my task is also to ensure that the person gets used to the conversations and the way of working as easily as possible (this makes it easier for you at first) and also shows readers a much better overall picture.......
MAYATNIK says:
These transcripts will also be used for the 'teachers' whom I shall train, for them to follow the same patterns......this will achieve the maximum benefit for all.
TruthSeeker says:
I see.
TruthSeeker says:
Well I guess we have done what we were supposed to then.
MAYATNIK says:
Yes. It went very well indeed, and Naren has just agreed there.
MAYATNIK says:
That was excelllent work
TruthSeeker says:
#61514;
MAYATNIK says:
You will become familiar with doing this as you progress..........but for now Naren wants me to 'monitor' sessions to assist you also.
TruthSeeker says:
Yes I understand, and appreciate it.
MAYATNIK says:
You already have good confidence........but you will learn even more, easily and quickly, as you proceed now.
MAYATNIK says:
The Zeta are now, for you, literally only a 'phone call' away when arranged by Naren....... it is the reverse of "ET phone home"......because Humans are now able to phone ET.
TruthSeeker says:
heheh
TruthSeeker says:
Very exellent.
MAYATNIK says:
It is made especially simple all round, by using this Messenger format........and the Zeta tap on to MSN Messenger and spool it to their computer.....so that other Zeta can also read it afterwards.  This is very helpful for the planning and things associated with this joint-venture between the Zeta and the Pleiadians, because the Zeta have a log of the Messenger conversation with them.
MAYATNIK says:
very helpful  to all, in this stage now to build a real friendship with those who will be assisting Earth in preparation for the coming Pole Shift, and afterwards.
TruthSeeker says:
Yes I see the importance of this.
MAYATNIK says:
We have done enough for tonight.........so have you any further questions before we close this session.....?....to myself or to Naren at this time.
TruthSeeker says:
No questions that I can think of.
I should probably go to bed and get some sleep before classes begin in four hours..
Good night Mayatnik, and thank you for everyting.
MAYATNIK says:
You need your sleep........and know that Naren is there all the time, to talk to you.  I will see you tomorrow.......so in the meantime Goodnight and sleep well !
TruthSeeker says:
Love and Light
       and
     Be well
MAYATNIK says:
Love and Light
MAYATNIK says:
The Seeker has found the Truth !
              Be Well

----o----

Congratulations to TruthSeeker on his first conversation with the ZETA.  So, yet another person becomes an Emissary to the Stars, and a Representative of Mankind in the shape of things to come.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[TAOwrote 24 AUG @ 22:16)]

TAO
wrote 24 AUG @ 22:16)

Edi.. here are some questions:

1.What is in Baciului Forest in Cluj, Romania ?
(in roumanian: Padurea Baciului, judetul Cluj, Romania)
2.Why are in Baciului Forest so many UFOs and Alien sightings ?
(there are over 1000000 pictures of UFOs from Baciului Forest)
3.Do you control all astral projections ?
(what i mean is... for a person to be able to project does he/she needs some kind of acces from the Zeta?)

This will be enough for a start i guess,
Mike


SERENITY1
wrote 25 AUG @ 00:53

Hi Edi
I appreciate the diplomacy and work that has transpired through the telepathic skills that you guys have given yourselves so freely to at this most important time in the historical transitional event. I aplord your courage.

"As I'll continue 'interviewing' the Zetas, I'd appreciate getting additional input from this forum - that's what it's all about: exchange of information. So whatever questions you may have, I will gladly include them in my sessions. This will not only help me to improve my skills as a 'interviewer' - I admire how Parmenion does this - everyone here will also benefit from this friendly interchange."

I have come across some information that I (and others) would like very much to have a bigger perspective on. To save time explaining, I posted (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6563) a web site address which has an article on UFO activity in the Solomon Islands which is attracting a lot of attention due to the fact the Australian Govt. sending 2000 troops to this one particular Island which has the most reported UFO activity.

On the thread Tayesin (Mark) makes mention in his reply that he calls these (UFO) entities the "Dark Ones". That been the case for the want of identifying them, then my request of you Edi since you have offered to ask our Zeta and Pladian friends (I am
still at the crawling stage with my pendulum, so am being left in the dust with the speed that you guys are moving, ) is :
Are the Zeta and Pladian aware of what is going on in the Solomon Islands and surrounding Islands? (I feel sure they are).

If they are, then what can we expect from these entities "Dark Ones"? Is their intent (being aggressive) going to be restrained. Is there anything they recommend we can do the neutralize what the Dark Ones are intending? Can we make the public more awar
of this situation and deception?

Any thing you might be prompted to ask regarding this would be very welcome Edi.
Thanks again to you and the guides you are working with.
Harvey

Chill,

quote:Can someone summerize the long posts for me, extract the juice out of it, the SUBSTANCE, in a list of points, say 1, 2, 3, etc. in plain english, so that the 5-years-old that I am can understand ?

For example :

1. One sentence here.

2. Another sentence here.

3. Yet another sentence here.

Wrap-up concluding statement here

The header to this thread, which is still under construction, clear stated DON NOT POST - now that is a summary, in those few words, of what is happening here, and should be clear to any 5-year old.

This thread is being constructed specifically to enable members to follow what is happening in this topic, so existing material (that is specific to the issue of ZETA CONVERSATIONS and questions) from where it was originally in the TRUTH topic is being transferred here. This will also avoid having to wade through off-topic posts - and your post here does not include questions for the Zeta nor in-context observations on the Zeta Convversations, so is off-topic.

If you are having problems understanding posts in general, then it would be more appropriate to place your post in the CHAT section, or even in the Writers Corner.  If that is not the case, then I can only assume you are making some childish (or, at least, Chill-dish) disruption to what is a serious topic, and which by so doing makes it harder for members to take seriously or follow if such type of posts are placed in between matrial that is there to help people understand better from the information provided - and by your action here that seems to be the only sensible conclusion I can come to, since the intial post of this thread said specifically DO NOT POST.

As a matter of fact, in order to make the psot you refer to above (I assume it is that one, since you have posted here) took me 32 full hours to compile and format in the colours in order to make it as clear to follow as possible.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[EDI's post - 24 AUG @ 16:47]

EDI's post - 24 AUG @ 16:47

A few words about my experience with the Zeta and telepathy in general.

When I normally talk to my guide Perena, I just hear the words in my mind. If I also pay attention to the 'visual' feeling on my inner screen, the voice seems to come from the upper right in front of me. I call the 'inner screen' the area in your mind where you percieve your own imaginations, where your daydreams take place etc., the space where you percieve with inner vision.

When I talk to several being telepathically, they occupy different places on this screen - my guide is to the upper right, and other being I talked to appeared to be at the left side - so it's easy to feel where the words come from.

I do not only get a faint visual image (faint because my inner perception is still developing), but also a whole set of feelings about whoever I talk to. The feeling I have with my guide is totally different of the feelings I had with the Zetas. At first the voice of their representative sounded metallic to me, but later it got quite normal. I perceived them to be a group of maybe 4-6 people, I had the 'image' of them in my mind, and I felt the presence of those who were not actively communicating with me. They had a diplomatic and sincere appearance, so the conversation had a formal and official feeling - I was missing the joking and teasing I use to get from Perena.

As I'll continue 'interviewing' the Zetas, I'd appreciate getting additional input from this forum - that's what it's all about: exchange of information. So whatever questions you may have, I will gladly include them in my sessions. This will not only help me to improve my skills as a 'interviewer' - I admire how Parmenion does this - everyone here will also benefit from this friendly interchange.

With love,
Edi

[ZETA]

ZETA  NOW "FRIENDLY"-TALKING TO
Two AP MEMBERS IN  'Joint Venture'* !
*Pleaidians assist in telepathic link-up to Zeta

Yes - it is true!  And now, the truth shall be known more and more about the Zeta, and what they are here for..... because, following an 'incident' last Sunday night (17 August, 2003 - a date to remember!) that 6 members of the Astral Pulse were witness to in a Multi-Chat on MSN Messenger, the Zeta are now seeking "Friendly Interchange" with humans in a Joint Venture with the Pleiadians, who have arranged in the last few days a special 'hook-up' with the Zeta for Pleiadian telepathy students here on the Astral Pulse to talk one-to-one with a Zeta Guide-Representative who will be available to answer all questions.

The 'incident' that had led to this decision being made by the Zeta following discussion they had with the Pleiadians was concerning a Zeta guide who had broken a rule of 'etiquette' by encouraging her charge (a non-member, invited into the 'chat' session) to Astral Project in what was meant to be a telepathy discussion group.  The Zeta guide had acted with the best of intentions, but had not checked with her supervisor-guide, nor had she taken heed of the fact that it was a gathering of Pleiadian guides and their charges.  The result of the Zeta guide's enthusiasm to seek to pursuade (via her charge) other members of our group to Astral Project at that time (the normal Zeta 'method' of contact, rather than by telepathy) led to confusion within our cyberspace gathering, and in fact some distress of those members present due to the shock of the unanticipated turn of events that had culminated in a strong Astral Projection felt even in cyberspace.

During the time of the incident my PC crashed (something it is very prone to doing, but on this occasion at the very worst time) and I lost contact with those in the group for about a minute.  In thiat time I realized on speaking to my guide, Karek, that things were not as we had planned.  I requested communication with Shea (the Zeta guide now in that group) but Shea declined telepathic communication without reason given (and that is a further breach of rules of cross-species etiquette in the Higher Realms) but I became aware through Karek that Shea was continuing with the purpose of an Astral Projection for the group, harmless in itself, but disturbing since not requested.  Karek then contacted the Zeta at the highest level, and Shea was immediately reprimanded by her supervisor and the Astral Projection was terminated.  Within seconds I had received the equivalent of a telepathic email from the Zeta wishing to apologise publically for this breach of etiquette by their guide.  I then typed what I'd received and proceeded to explain in brief to the group in the multi-chat what had transpired.

While in itself only a breach of etiquette, the Zeta take such things very seriously and top-level discussions then took place  with the Pleiadians who explained how I was training certain members of the Astral Pulse who the Pleiadian guides had considered 'ready' for telepathy.  The Zeta, who promised that such a breach would not occur again, were keen to explore possibilities of co-operation with the Pleiadians for selected members of our telepathy group to have "Friendly Interchange" with the Zeta, which would be good for the members and good for the Zeta who feel, as the Pleiadians do also, that humans will benefit from knowing more about the them and their purpose here at this time with the Earth Project the Zeta are already working on with the Pleiadians and other off-planet species of Higher Beings.  So it was, that a new milestone was reached last Sunday with the opportunity now that will be ongoing for humans to have contact in "information sessions"  with the Zeta as never before, and which was largely hitherto confined to such as Nancy of Zetatalk.  Thus, 17 August, 2003 will go down in Galactic History, as a brand new joint venture with humans.

I am pleased to be able to announce here, that the Pleiadian guides have selected EDI and PARMENION to be the first to talk at length with the Zeta - and those two events (which I carefully kept independent and separate from each other with no interaction between them) were recorded on MSN Messenger exactly word for word as they took place.

The system employed in the telepathy training sessions is what will be used here.  That is, when a guide is speaking to the person via telepathy then the person types what they 'hear' in their head using the initial letter of the guide's name followed by a colon and then what has actually been received.  In the case of the Zeta guide-representative we used "Z:" to indicate.  To further clarity and ease of reading, I have for the purposes of this article, specially formatted the guide's text-lines as follows.....

----- telepathic person <--- here EDI or PARMENION.
----- P: Perena speaking <--- Edi's guide
----- K: Karek speaking <-- Parmenion's guide.
----- (Karek at the moment working jointly with Parmenion and me)
----- Z: Zeta speaking <--whichever Zeta is there.
-----Myself (MAYATNIK) speaking

(I am also in touch at all times during telepathic training sessions with the person's own guide so that I can work directly and effectively in the training of the person by me following their guide's instructions via a 'private line' telepathically - and the same procedure is extended to include the Zeta here, who I am also in constant touch with during the course of the person's conversation in my 'monitoring' capacity of the event).

Below you will find the two transcripts, made public for the first time.  EDI was the very first human to communicate with the Zeta in this venture, so naturally he comes before Parmenion in order.  But Parmenion made an excellent interviewer of the Zeta when his turn came.  And, needless to say, the Zeta are highly delighted with the outcome from this first beginning and it will now become incorporated in future Zeta-Pleiadian co-operation to bring information to humans by answering  questions in this "Friendly Interchange" using telepathy thanks to the Pleiadians facilitating hook-ups with the Zeta computer by arrangement.


*EDI* talks with the Zeta

EDI says:
Hello Edward.
MAYATNIK says:
Hello Edi.  How are you now?
EDI says:
Perena asks me to tell you from her:"Edi would really like to be shown something in order to gain more confidence".
EDI says:
And I'm still a bit afraid of expressing this myself, as in the first night
MAYATNIK says:
Perena has told me what she would like me to do with you, in a session.  And it will expand your knowledge at the same time.
EDI says:
I felt this night right to ask about it.
MAYATNIK says:
Yes...... it will be very good for you.
I am trying to clear another window, then we can start the session.... hang on.......
MAYATNIK says:
When will it be quiet in your house for this session Edi?
EDI says:
It is quiet now - everyone is sleeping, and normally no one comes looking for the computer. My mother goes to the toilet every 3 hours, the last time 20 minutes ago, so I should be undisturbed now.
MAYATNIK says:
That is good.  We are nearly ready now.
EDI says:
I am thankful for whatever will come and appreciate the time you put into this.
MAYATNIK says:
It is your time for these things.  The guides choose the time.
MAYATNIK says:
Finally.........the decks are cleared..... and we can now be undisturbed.
EDI says:
Okay
MAYATNIK says:
Has Perena told you anything about the Zeta?
EDI says:
No
MAYATNIK says:
Do you know anything about them yourself?
EDI says:
I know they are an alien race, and what I read in your posts on AP... Just an alien species. And I know zetatalk.com
MAYATNIK says:
Well, essentially....they are the ones who fly the 'flying saucers'. Also, they are different from the Pleiadians in the way they talk.  They are very 'etiquette' conscious, and like 'correctness' and 'politeness' at all times.  Also, they tend to be very 'work minded', always 'busy' doing something....going somewhere or coming back from somewhere to go somewhere else to do another job.
MAYATNIK says:
Can you picture them from that description?
EDI says:
Yes, I get a feeling about them
MAYATNIK says:
that's good....because you need to get a 'diplomatic' feel about how they see themselves.
MAYATNIK says:
they are very interested now in talking to people, so that humans can get to know them better - and I was given a small list of those selected by the Pleiadians who are now jointly working with them on this particular venture..... for those humans to take part in conversation with a Zeta guide-representive, and who I am going to help introduce to them......starting with you.
EDI says:
I'm so interested in other species and cultures... I thought about this before.
EDI says:
I wanted to know how other species live their life - what they do all they, their culture, their people, and so on.
MAYATNIK says:
Well, this cropped up as a very practical issue last night, as you will be aware from what I have told you about the 'incident' that occurred in a multi-chat... and which has now brought about this opportunity for you to talk to the Zeta, following joint Zeta-Pleiadian agreement for this to take place under the supervision of your Pleiadian guide who is making all necessary arrangements here
MAYATNIK says:
You may talk about anything that you like regarding the Zeta......and also about such things as the so-called 'abductions' that the Zeta do.  Feel free in your questioning.  All that is required is to be 'diplomatic' at all times since this is standard galactic convention in telepathy, and have an obvious air of sincere politeness in addressing them.  They will respond always in a polite manner.
MAYATNIK says:
Ok?
EDI says:
Yes
EDI says:
I'm a bit nervous, but I have courage and trust my guidance
MAYATNIK says:
That's all you have to do.............it will be easy.... First we are going to get good contact with your own guide (the Zeta have their guide-representative standing by) and then Perena will connect you (jsut like a telephone link-up) when she feels you are comfortable...so we'll talk first with Perena.
MAYATNIK says:
Contact Perena now please, Edi
EDI says:
I am talking with her now.
MAYATNIK says:
(type everything you say, and everything said to you......use Z:  for Zeta and P: to preced whatever your guide Perena says)
EDI says:
P: Concentrate on my voice Edi
EDI says:
P: This is good
EDI says:
P: I will hook you up when you are ready
EDI says:
Okay, I think we can begin
MAYATNIK says:
I'll just watch for now.
EDI says:
P: Here we go...
EDI says:
Z: Hello Edi
EDI says:
I am pleased to meet you.
EDI says:
Z: The pleasure is on my side, too.
EDI says:
Z: We are interested in talking to humans, and I think you will be interested in talking to us, too.
EDI says:
Please understand that this is still uncommon for me and I need a few minutes to get familiar with it. I would like to talk about what is going on with Earth at the moment and in the near future.
EDI says:
Z: I understand. What area are you interested in?
EDI says:
I learned that several species oversee the evolution at the Earth at the moment. I would be interested in the role your species, the Zeta, play here.
EDI says:
Z: We are here to bring information to the human race in our ways, which are different from those of other races.
EDI says:
What is this information about, and how do you get it "down" on earth?
EDI says:
I learned that the species involved use something we would call a "computer" to access this world and to interact with humans.
EDI says:
Z: Yes, we use what you call a "computer" to bring information to the consciousness of humans. But we also use it to gather information to see how everything progesses, and what actions to take best.
EDI says:
Z: Our link to the human mind is made by altering it's state of consciousness - you call it trance, astral projection, meditation - even drug experiences are what whe work with.
EDI says:
Z: The overall goal is to awaken the humans to their full potential, to help them get rid of their barriers.
EDI says:
Z: And to finally evolve and take the next evolutionary leap.
EDI says:
Is your computer able to control Astral Projections?
EDI says:
Z: Yes. What humans can do by themselves, we can assist with our computer.
EDI says:
Z: We can take them out of their bodies if they are willing to, or if they sleep, and give them information this way.
EDI says:
P: Edi would be very interested in seeing how this works.
EDI says:
Z: It is not difficult to do.
EDI says:
I have been practicing Astral Projection, but with no big success. Is it possible that you show me how you computer does this?
EDI says:
Z: It does require physical relaxation, which you do not have sufficiently at the moment.
EDI says:
If it'll be possible to talk to you later, I would be glad to talk about this again when I am in a more comfortable position.
EDI says:
Z: You may contact us at any time.
EDI says:
Another topic I have some questions about is: abductions.
EDI says:
Z: This is something commonly misperceived.
EDI says:
The overall image is that people get abducted, suffer from pain, get back on earth and tell horror stories of aliens.
EDI says:
Z: There are two causes for this wrong image. First, the human mind often is not ready to accept what it perceives and makes up a story in his mind. When someone doesn't believe that everything was fine, he may construct something which fits his view of the world. This is the case when people are afraid of everything which has to do with aliens, when they are following the image they are given from their governments via the media.
EDI says:
Z: Second, many of the "abduction accounts" are simply faked to provoke fear.
EDI says:
What does in fact happen when someone gets abducted, taken on an extraterrestrial ship?
EDI says:
Z: One thing is: the genetic material and the state of the evolving body is checked, in order that further planning can be done, and to see how everything develops.
EDI says:
Z: Then, information is given to individuals. They may not remember it consciously, but it will affect their behaviour, it is like an electromagnetic imprint which is influencing it's environment.
EDI says:
Z: This is information about: what is going to happen with earth and the humans; what the world governments are up to; what personal things the individual should address to further his growth and the growth of his environment.
EDI says:
Z: Note that only few of these "abductions" are done by using physical ships. In fact, we work much with people while they sleep.
EDI says:
I remember a "dream" from some days ago - I was in a distant place when I was being invited to an alien ship by 2 creatures. Are the Zetas in any way related to this "dream"?
EDI says:
Z: It was not we who took you on the ship in this dream.
EDI says:
P: It was a Pleiadian scene you were in.
EDI says:
Z: Do you have more questions?
EDI says:
There are many things I am interested in. For now: Can you tell me of the role you are playing in this earth scenario?
EDI says:
Z: I cannot tell you too much now, but you can know that I am working in the area of communication with humans. Direct communication. There are many organisational things to do in the background, and many things which are not directly related to communicating face-to-face (or mind-to-mind) with humans.
EDI says:
Z: I am a guide for some humans, giving them information and helping them to grow.
EDI says:
I thank you for this information.
EDI says:
I am curious about your people. I know that you are overseeing the evolution of the earth, but what is the whole of your people doing? Is every Zeta being watching the Earth, or do you too have cities, people who work and do their duties, build houses and live a "normal" life?
EDI says:
Z: We do originate from a distant part of this universe, where we have planets with cities on it, where "normal" life takes place, as you call it. But everyone is aware of what is happening here. A portion of our people came to Earth to assist actively in this development.
EDI says:
I would really enjoy meeting end experiencing your people and your culture.
EDI says:
Z: You will, if you want to. You can ask your guide to contact us at any time, so we can either talk or later show you what you are interested in by using our methods.
EDI says:
I thank you for this generous offer.
EDI says:
Z: We will be glad to establish a friendly flowing of information between our species.
EDI says:
Do you have any questions, or something I could answer you from my point of view?
MAYATNIK says:
(I got cut off - your last message was:
Do you have any questions, or something I could answer you from my point of view?
EDI says:
This talk was quite exhausting .. a bit "formal" and rigid maybe
MAYATNIK says:
Did I miss anything when I was cut off?  There was no answer after your question I repasted above......so no end to the conversation apperently
EDI says:
The answer was
"Z: No, thank you very much. As we are looking from the "outside" to the "inside", we can see and know more than you can imagine."
EDI says:
Then i said "Then, as I don't have any questions left myself, I think it's time to finish this conversation. I thank you ver much for being able to talk to you and for the information I received."
EDI says:
and
"Z: It was a pleasure to talk to you. I wish you a good night."
EDI says:
(cut&paste doesn't work, but I can type fast)
MAYATNIK says:
That is excellent....... I just missed all that......there was no 'edi is typing' message on my screen, and nothing came through.... so that is now everything in the converstion, for the log.  good.
EDI says:
I will like to learn more about these computers and see what they do
MAYATNIK says:
they are fascinating....and unlike ours they don't break down
EDI says:
Yes... telepathy is nice, but I am missing some vivid colours, something happening, something to see, if you know what I mean... I'd like to see the computer doing something with me.
MAYATNIK says:
We'll see.
EDI says:
What do you think of this conversation?
MAYATNIK says:
The Zeta work a different way.......their 'operating system' is different, so they will tend to want to use their 'methods' to show people things, especially if a person has a Zeta guide......and which they have offered to do, for you also even though your guide is Pleiadian..... You can however 'see' these things by also asking Perena to 'connect' you (that is the Pleiadian system - to 'take you' there, on invitation - and it is faster than the Zeta computer, in fact virtually instant)... so all that is open to you.....'in full colour' as you put it.
MAYATNIK says:
Ask Perena about this.
EDI says:
P: I can hook up your consciousness to different places via our computer.
MAYATNIK says:
As for the conversation....it was excellent......you had a very good 'rapport' there, and I was getting good reports from the Zeta also on this.  They are highly pleased with the conversation.
EDI says:
The voice was low and in the beginning a bit .. metallish  But I got used to it quickly.
EDI says:
I sortof "see" the zeta voice in the lower left part of my mind, and perena is in the upper right.
EDI says:
That's how I can distinguish easily... everyone has his space in my mind.
MAYATNIK says:
Yes.  That splits it well.
EDI says:
I just can't think of a place I'd like to be connected to... hmm
MAYATNIK says:
The Zeta are quite 'formal' sounding in their conversation......so now you have experienced another off-planet culture that is very old.
EDI says:
Uncommon, but nice.
MAYATNIK says:
they are very much the Mr Spock of the Enterprise type personality (they don't mind me saying this...lol)
EDI says:
Hehe  =)
EDI says:
Everyone has to play his role.
MAYATNIK says:
The reports I was getting from the Zeta side during that conversation were that they are now planning for more of this type of communication using telepathy with those who are Pleiadian trained (such as yourself) and in that way build a very friendly interchange of information between humans and themselves.
EDI says:
That will be very nice
MAYATNIK says:
You are the FIRST in this new venture!
EDI says:
Well, I'm not too excited about it, but I really appreciate it
EDI says:
(excitement is something I am missing since the beginning )
MAYATNIK says:
It has been done before, obviously - I did it myself when I was training......but it has never been done in a 'formal' sense as part of a program (such as we are undertaking with the Pleiadians here)
EDI says:
I understand
MAYATNIK says:
Why do you think the excitement is missing.
EDI says:
Ah okay, it is not missing, it just isn't there
EDI says:
I just accept what comes
EDI says:
Without big turmoil
MAYATNIK says:
Do you feel you are somehow now 'intergalactic' in your perception, and that it is becoming as easy as breathing.
MAYATNIK says:
?
EDI says:
Yes, I feel that I am opening to a much bigger world around me
EDI says:
Which I will want to explorer with all senses and tools which are available to me
MAYATNIK says:
The telephone that you first got was exciting the first time.....but now you treat it as normal, and even necessary, in 'everyday' communication....and that you are concentrating more now on what can be done with it, rather than the 'facility' itself.
EDI says:
Exactly.
MAYATNIK says:
The Zeta and Perena wish me to ask you may I post this conversation with the Zeta on the site...at the appropriate time.....since this will greatly help the understanding of humans regarding the Zeta
MAYATNIK says:
Perena knows all about this, so ask her please.
EDI says:
P: There will be more information on the board regarding the different species, and who play what role in what is to come.
EDI says:
I agree that it's posted at the appropriate time if it will help.
EDI says:
It is good.. over time, this will grow really big.
MAYATNIK says:
Well, I shall have moved on before too long...and others will be coming in to further it.
MAYATNIK says:
Now..... As you have been told by the Zeta guide-representative......you are welcome to talk to them at any time, and even experience for yourself how they do things - but as they have said, that is more suitable for when you are really relaxed, or in bed...  For our purposes online especially, here and in any training sessions, the Pleiadian system of instant connection is more appropriate and of course is ideal for Messenger....typing what you see.......
EDI says:
P: Maybe we can show Edi how to use this instant connection, if you like to.
MAYATNIK says:
(Unlike the standard Zeta system of AP-ing and 'trance', you would be fully conscious and at the keyboard while that is occurring.....like Parenion's transcript of his similar experience that he posted some time back)
MAYATNIK says:
That would be a good idea Perena....... because it is really very easy, as Parmenion demonstrated.
EDI says:
And I would like it very much, probably.
MAYATNIK says:
probably is an understatement Edi...as Parmenion would tell you.  It will be a very good experience if Perena will do this for you.
EDI says:
P: He is just laying a conversation on ice so he is free.. then we can begin
MAYATNIK says:
Ok.
EDI says:
P: Good.. we can begin
EDI says:
P: Type what I say, and what you experience
EDI says:
P: Ask me to hook you up to the place I want you to see (it's normal to ask for it, so we do it here)
EDI says:
Perena, please hook me up to the place you want me to see.
EDI says:
I experience just a bit a cold feeling in my palms.. nothing else
EDI says:
P: You have to allow yourself to go
EDI says:
P: Just give me some time
EDI says:
P: And keep your eyes open.
EDI says:
I experience... just the room I am sitting in, my normal surroundings.
EDI says:
Typing this into the computer
EDI says:
Hearing the sound of the computer fans
MAYATNIK says:
Try to see the image before you......sense it.. the area that you are 'in' (not the room...... where the image is) and allow yourself to expand your consciousness to see and feel it, be there
MAYATNIK says:
Try to see and be with the image before you
EDI says:
Like with my physical eyes, or in my mind?
MAYATNIK says:
It is your 'inner' eye......your true consciousness (your physical eyes simply connect to your body)
EDI says:
I can sense something... a faint image in my inner eye
EDI says:
P: What color do you see?
EDI says:
White
EDI says:
I feel something moving to the left
MAYATNIK says:
(defucus your eyes..and let yourself 'see' the new surroundings)
MAYATNIK says:
that's good < --- * Perena had confirmed progress ot me 'privately' *
MAYATNIK says:
you can turn your physical head...... or sense your consciousness turning its head.
EDI says:
a strange feeling is there, but i don't see much
MAYATNIK says:
then go by the 'feeling', sense it that way
MAYATNIK says:
listen for any 'voces' (they will be telepathic) ..'look' to see where they are coming from, look for a figure
EDI says:
it's like someone waving a hand there... trying to get my attention
MAYATNIK says:
that's it....you've got it !
EDI says:
in a long brown robe
MAYATNIK says:
you're there !
EDI says:
I'm not quite sure of the surroundings
EDI says:
P: Describe
EDI says:
A conveyor belt to the left?
EDI says:
P: no.. look again
EDI says:
The ground starts to get green
EDI says:
like grass
EDI says:
in the middle of the image there's something brown...
EDI says:
like a hut maybe
EDI says:
P: Yes
EDI says:
The person in the robe is giving me signs to come to him
EDI says:
P: Just use your will and go there
EDI says:
Am I there with a body?
EDI says:
P: Look down..
EDI says:
I see my body
EDI says:
P: It depends on where you are if the others can see you
EDI says:
The person says "Nice to meet you"
EDI says:
I ask "Who are you?"
EDI says:
He: "I am just someone living in this hut..."
EDI says:
"Did you know that I'll come?"
EDI says:
He: "No, it took me totally by surprise.. not many people are passing here"
EDI says:
Mayatnik, am I doing it right?
MAYATNIK says:
You're doing very well indeed.
MAYATNIK says:
Perena will guide you
EDI says:
I hear birds in the trees ... a river...
EDI says:
P: Look around you - either turn your head or use 360° awareness, whatever you like
EDI says:
There's a forest around the wood... The hut is built at the edge of a clearing
EDI says:
a forest around the _hut_ I mean.
EDI says:
P: Ask the person if he can teach you something
EDI says:
He: "If you like to, yes. Follow me into the hut"
EDI says:
he goes to the door, opens it
EDI says:
it's not so dark inside, there's a violet light.. violet and red
EDI says:
P: Enter
EDI says:
P: What is this light like?
EDI says:
it's on the walls... and crossing the room in solid beams.. or like a liquid
EDI says:
red lines on violet background
EDI says:
He: "Imagining being in a field of this colors has a certain effect on you"
EDI says:
P: Feel how it is like
EDI says:
it gives strength and determination
EDI says:
P: Exactly!
EDI says:
He: "You can summon such a field around yourself whenever you need to accomplish something... when you have to be strong and stable"
EDI says:
I'm back on the outside
EDI says:
the man said goodbye ...
EDI says:
P: Raise yourself over the scenery and look
EDI says:
I see big forests... a river to the right.. mountains in the distance.. a beautiful scenery
EDI says:
P: Okay, this is it.
EDI says:
P: We're done with this little excursion.
EDI says:
Okay ...
EDI says:
This was ... nice
EDI says:
I expected to see more vividly before my eyes... it's still faint before my inner eye, but that will develop I think.
EDI says:
P: You will grow into it
MAYATNIK says:
This was a first time....and it is like using muscles for the first time.....they become second-nature after they've been used......but just take a few times to get used to... next 'visit' will be easier.
EDI says:
Okay, I'll train with Perena.
MAYATNIK says:
Excellent.
EDI says:
it's probably the same as with telepathy
MAYATNIK says:
It is
EDI says:
thank you for this
MAYATNIK says:
You have an additional 'facility' now
EDI says:
P: I was training before with Edi to see images and short scenes in his mind this way, and so prepared him.
EDI says:
Good... when I'm in bed I'll ask about out-of-body exploration with the Zetas... I'm curious about everything
MAYATNIK says:
You did that well Edi.... now you know how to let yourself 'go' there
EDI says:
Yes.. it's a reality which is always there, but my inner eye is so undeveloped because I never paid attention to it.
EDI says:
P: Exactly... when you astral project, you have only these inner senses without the disturbances of the physical body, that's why it may seem easier.
MAYATNIK says:
Even the 'awareness' to see your surroundings, and to move within them became clearer how to do it as you went on..... became instinctive.
EDI says:
P: Either you AP, or you go there in your mind while in your body... in the end, it's the same.
EDI says:
Intent is everything there.. I just "do" it
EDI says:
and I "am" it
MAYATNIK says:
That's all there is to it.......just to 'do' it.
MAYATNIK says:
distance, even where in time, is no different.....you just 'go'.
EDI says:
I'm getting a hold on all this non-physical things ... now I just need training to percieve more clearly
MAYATNIK says:
Perena will train you.
EDI says:
And I would really like to learn techniques to shut of the physical senses to go there and see only with the inner senses
MAYATNIK says:
I am here to help you get started, that's all.
EDI says:
P: I and the Zetas will assist you in this
EDI says:
You're the kick-start which get's everything running
MAYATNIK says:
I'm the Cranking-Handle.
EDI says:
Yes...
MAYATNIK says:
I've done all these things that you are beginning to learn about now.... so I can look from "above" and co-ordinate with the guides.....
EDI says:
It must be wonderful to see and live clearly in these realms
MAYATNIK says:
I'm able to check what you are seeing (go there myself) and also talk to any guides Zeta or Pleiadian and receive instructions from them what to do next, or to let them do (such as letting Perena explain rather than me in places)
EDI says:
I see... that's a good set-up indeed
MAYATNIK says:
That is how the tuition works so fast
EDI says:
Seems like those species got a well devised plan =)
MAYATNIK says:
Messenger is a good 'format' for the initial stages...because the typing actually helps speed up the confidence.
EDI says:
Yes.. every night on MSN with you is a quantum leap forward.
EDI says:
And Perena gets me to type things even if I am shy of expressing it myself
MAYATNIK says:
I am here for when the guides want me to do something....when a person is ready for the next 'stage'.
MAYATNIK says:
We shall pick the right time for me to post your telepathy with the Zeta, for the maximum interest of members.
EDI says:
P: We'll see when it fits best
MAYATNIK says:
The guides keep a careful check on what is happening in the threads.
EDI says:
That's no surprise
EDI says:
I wonder if they have a internet dial-up on their mothership .. lol
MAYATNIK says:
Ask Perena..... lol
EDI says:
She says
"no need to dial in.." ... they can access it easily with their technology
MAYATNIK says:
Exactly !
MAYATNIK says:
(no dial-up fees either)
EDI says:
lol
EDI says:
This is where I want to lead humanity.. internet without dial-up fees!
MAYATNIK says:
When you were doing your hook-up with the Zeta......the Zeta all had a connection with Messenger, and were following the typing as you wrote !  You didn't know you were reaching a mass Zeta audience!
EDI says:
Oh my god! =)
MAYATNIK says:
They said, "Don't tell him until afterwards.....but we are all following this with great interest"
EDI says:
That is really nice
EDI says:
If you had told me I had been nervous... I played in a theater group once, I know how it feels to be on stage
MAYATNIK says:
The galactic Zeta 'audience' loved you......they are very interested and caring about human beings.
MAYATNIK says:
As you get more advanced, you too will be able to get instant 'traffic' and the equivalent of emails from different sources, while you are doing something else.
EDI says:
I already imagined something like that... as Perena can't always give me something, e.g. when I'm not listening, busy or whatever.. I can at some time ask "Perena, do I have new mail?" .. Sounds really funny.
MAYATNIK says:
This is it !
EDI says:
Intuition finds its ways, it seems
MAYATNIK says:
Karek will say to me, "Don't bother watching the News..there's nothing on much till later tonight.  We'll let you know"
EDI says:
That's nice
MAYATNIK says:
Also both Zeta and Pleiadians monitor all the TV and radio transmissions.
EDI says:
Interesting.. I'll have much to find, I'm eager to learn
EDI says:
This night has revealed itself to be very inspiring and productive
EDI says:
P: As I told you this evening.
MAYATNIK says:
Why don't you ask Perena now........about the TV... and what is 'monitored' and why.
EDI says:
P: We are mostly interested in the news - what gets presented to the broad masses by their leaders.
EDI says:
P: We also look at how the other entertaining movies etc. affect people's mind
EDI says:
P: What emotions are being provoked
EDI says:
P: We need to be informed because we want to heal the media conditioning... the rigid mind-set which is enforced by watching TV.
EDI says:
P: Ideas and emotions are transmitted by the media.
EDI says:
Okay....
EDI says:
Well, I think it'll be time for me to go to bed.. I'd like to finish before my parents get up
EDI says:
P: And he desperately needs to go the toilet =)
MAYATNIK says:
It has been very productive tonight.
EDI says:
Yes... everything.
MAYATNIK says:
I shall make a drink now, before my next 'appointment schedule'.
EDI says:
I'm (as always) really thankful for what you show me
MAYATNIK says:
Now you can continue those things with Perena.....and you have the Zeta also.  So, many new horizons are opening up now.
EDI says:
I'll take the time to explore those
EDI says:
I'll retreat to the mountains again tomorrow... and this time, I'll be alone and undisturbed.
MAYATNIK says:
You get some much deserved sleep now.
EDI says:
I'll enjoy it... as I know that learning goes on while I sleep
EDI says:
I'm not really tired, but sleeping is good nevertheless
MAYATNIK says:
It does indeed.........and the great thing is....that you can talk to Perena (or the Zeta now, whenever Perena connects you) while you're in bed relaxed.........
EDI says:
Exactly
EDI says:
That's what I'm going to do now
EDI says:
I'll enjoy having lots of aliens in my bed
MAYATNIK says:
lol......... Auf Wiedersehen !  Guten Nacht Edi !


*PARMENION* talks with the Zeta

Parmenion says:
Good morning!
Parmenion says:
You get any sleep?
MAYATNIK says:
Not yet.
Parmenion says:
Sooooo what's the Plan of Action?
MAYATNIK says:
How are you doing with karek?
Parmenion says:
Ok
Parmenion says:
Talking every day, many times a day
Parmenion says:
I'm no longer doubting or worrying about it, I just keep chatting
MAYATNIK says:
that's good.
MAYATNIK says:
What does Karek say at this moment, about the situation regarding the Zeta and so forth?
Parmenion says:
Is it time for me to talk?.........
K: "Definately"
MAYATNIK says:
Then can Karek just tell you briefly what we can do this morning?
Parmenion says:
'hook-up' to the Zeta where I will talk with one or more of them
MAYATNIK says:
The Zeta are standing by, and are happy to have a "friendly interchange" with you, and answer any questions. Have you got a number of questions already?
Parmenion says:
I would say no....but theres plenty of questions 'up in the air'. I hadn't given thought to what to ask to be honest
Parmenion says:
Questions wont be a problem I imagine
MAYATNIK says:
If you just talk, then the questions should easily flow.
Parmenion says:
Exactly
MAYATNIK says:
Are you ready to hook-up to the Zeta now, Karek.....and how will you do this?
Parmenion says:
K: I am ready. I will make the connection
MAYATNIK says:
Ok. Then I'll leave it with you to initiate - and you'll obviously be there to assist Parmenion during the course of the conversation if needed. I shall observe and keep in touch with you karek and the Zeta from this end, as Parmenion talks to them, and in that way I will monitor.
Parmenion says:
K: Ok. Leave it with us. All will be fine
Parmenion says:
Z: Hello
Parmenion says:
who am I speaking with?
Parmenion says:
Z: we are a group chosen to represent the Zeta in comunicating with you
Parmenion says:
you'll have to excuse me if Im a little slow, I am typing this as we speak
Parmenion says:
Z: that is ok
Parmenion says:
Z: Is there something you wish to ask us?
Parmenion says:
There are many questions I wish to ask
Parmenion says:
Z: start from the beginning
Parmenion says:
what is your purpose here at this time?
Parmenion says:
Z: we wish to explain to you the nature of our relationship with humans
Parmenion says:
Z: we are here to help
Parmenion says:
Is your area of assistance primarily focused on the Pole Shift?
Parmenion says:
Z: Yes it is
Parmenion says:
Z: We are here to assist in many ways to prepare humanity for the huge changes that are coming
Parmenion says:
Have you been here for long?
Parmenion says:
Z: Yes we have
Parmenion says:
Z: Time is not the same for us
Parmenion says:
Z: this is a very special time for earth and humanity
Parmenion says:
What exactly is going to happen?
Parmenion says:
Z: there is going to be a huge shift is conciousness on this planet. The Pole shift is a part of the process that will take earth to the next level
Parmenion says:
Of conciousness?
Parmenion says:
Z: Yes
Parmenion says:
Z: We are here to prepare you for that
Parmenion says:
Will many people die at the time of the pole shift?
Parmenion says:
Z: Yes many people will die
Parmenion says:
Why is this neccessary?
Parmenion says:
Z: It is necessary so that the earth can begin the trancendance from the 3rd Dimension
Parmenion says:
What will happen to governments?
Parmenion says:
Z: they will no longer exist
Parmenion says:
people will rally together?
Parmenion says:
Z: in a way yes. Small groups of people will remain with one or two people to lead these groups. The groups will come together to form little communities.It will be a much more peacefully time
Parmenion says:
really?
Parmenion says:
Z: yes, there will not be feuds or wars as they exist today
Parmenion says:
How do you go about preparing people for this Pole Shift?
Parmenion says:
Z: We let certain people know what to do in the

[TruthSeeker]

Hello Everyone,

Yesterday, exactly 24 hours before this post here, TruthSeeker had his very first contact with the Zeta, and an excellent conversation with them, during which the accent in the session was about the background to what the Zeta are all about and what is happening at this time and as we go forward from this point now.  The Zeta, Naren (Truthseeker's guide) and myself, all provide information in this session which you will find below, for the reader to now become more aware and begin to accumulate a storehouse of True Knowledge that will take the Earth forward to the giant leap in Mankind's evolution that is coming soon.

Truthseeker is shown in RED (often putting "Me:")
Naren is shown in ORANGE – ( also as N: )
ZETA are shown in GREEN
(I, MAYATNIK am shown in BLUE

TruthSeeker talks with the Zeta

MAYATNIK says:
Would you like to have a session for you to talk to the Zeta?
TruthSeeker says:
Yes I would really like to talk to them.
I feel like I've been standing still the last few days, walking in circles.
MAYATNIK says:
Do you feel ok now?
TruthSeeker says:
Yes I'm exellent.  All is very quiet here now.  Everyone's gone to bed, so ideal time.
TruthSeeker says:
You see I really want to learn more.. I feel like a door has been opened, but I'm only able to take a small peek inside.
MAYATNIK says:
The reason why you feel you've been "standing still" is because I've not been able to arrange this session until now – this is due to the fact that the events of the 17th affected you adversely by the suddenness and therefore shock as you witnessed the Zeta guide taking the visitor (whom I'd invited to our telepathy multichat) into an Astral Projection... and you simply had not been expecting that, hence they 'symptoms' that are often the side-effect of AP-ing episodes; particularly, in your case, the temporary loss of full teleapathic ability.
MAYATNIK says:
So, my guide Karek - as supervisor - and your guide, Naren, both wanted you to have some time to settle down again before we did a link-up with the Zeta for you, for which Karek is the facilitator.  They have decided that the time has now come, and that you are ready.
MAYATNIK says:
Have you talked to Naren about it?
TruthSeeker says:
No, I find it hard to get sentences..  (this is since the 17th)
MAYATNIK says:
Well that is what you need – to be able to receive sentences.  And that is why, also, that I am here in in these link-up sessions to ensure that you are accurately receiving, because I check througout with your Pleiadian guide and I am also in contact at times during the session privately with the Zeta.
MAYATNIK says:
The overall purpose of my 'monitoring' in this then, is to enable a presentation here on MSN Messenger that will make what is happening clear to reader  of the transcript, and to ensure its validy – since anyone could say they were in contact with the Zeta.
MAYATNIK says:
Let's do a session then............and you type everything that you hear, putting N:  before it.........and all that you say (to me and to Naren) plus your comments as well.
TruthSeeker says:
Ok
TruthSeeker says:
Me: Are you here Naren?
N: Yes
TruthSeeker says:
Me: I want you to tell me something, a sentence, any sentence. Could you do this now?
N: .....
MAYATNIK says:
So....... what do you hear?
TruthSeeker says:
Nothing.
N: You need to separate your own thoughts from my messages
TruthSeeker says:
A sentence like that shoots in when I'm not expecting an asnwer.
MAYATNIK says:
Exactly !!!
MAYATNIK says:
Stop trying.   There's no need to strain your ears all day long listening for any sound........and no need to strain your eyes peering into every corner........ you simply hear and see........you don't even have to think about it........
telepathy is just another 'sense' like hearing and seeing.
TruthSeeker says:
N: Yes I am at all times in contact with him (Mayatnik).
I do not recall me question, but it was an appropriate answer
TruthSeeker says:
N: You will do just fine now.
TruthSeeker says:
N: Just let go.
TruthSeeker says:
N: Yes there are infact "spaceships" around Pluto
Me: I just read about it and asked.
MAYATNIK says:
It is a good way to talk to Naren at any time you are reading information books...beause he can add so much more, and correct things that are wrong in the books.
MAYATNIK says:
So now.... can we do a Pleiadian 'Instant AP' to warm up before Naren makes the Zeta link-up.....
TruthSeeker says:
Me: Could you show me a picture?

A church, read brick-walls. Tall bell-tower. Sunny day. Green grass lawns, with big green trees scattered along the lawns.
TruthSeeker says:
It's somewhere in the U.S
MAYATNIK says:
You can go into any 'scene', and walk around.
TruthSeeker says:
Michigan or "Cincinnati" (Closest thing I can get to something that sounds like place)
MAYATNIK says:
It's a new style 'community' that is built around the church...... the church runs many things for the people..and it is like a min-town.
TruthSeeker says:
Are you talking about this particualr church?
MAYATNIK says:
Yes.... < ----- (I had mentioned it to give him confidence, which he needed)
TruthSeeker says:
Then you can see it as well...
MAYATNIK says:
Yes..... Naren sent it to me, for me to know where you are - but it is your exercise! ..... I am merely confirming here.
MAYATNIK says:
So, walk around......step into the picture......and just 'go'......Naren will be with you.........explore, and talk.......describe what you see and what happens by typing it.......you can be in both places at once.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: take me back there please, Naren.. To the church.

There is a dark basement. Lots of dust and spider-webs. On the outside the sun is shining. I want to talk to one of the kids runnining the street. It is a small boy with a red cap. His name is Bob and he tells me this is his home. Everything, the whole wown is centered around this church.
TruthSeeker says:
The priest is inside the church.. He has his own room in the hall at the back of the church. He is reading something. A parchment of some kind. He is taking notes on a paper.
TruthSeeker says:
The church has a lot of doves living at the roof. There are even doves inside the church, flying back and forth every now and then. A man is walking up hte street. He has a bowler-hat...It is the major of the city. He looks at me and walks away.
TruthSeeker says:
The city has a lot of nature around it.. Running streams of water. The forest has a "wet" feel. It is early in the morning. The major was on his way to work.
TruthSeeker says:
Most people are not up yet, but in half an hour the city will be awake. The children do not attend a normal school. They are taught at church. A woman is their teacher, her name is Sandra.
TruthSeeker says:
I left.....
TruthSeeker says:
N: You did good there.
MAYATNIK says:
Notice that you could 'feel' the wetness, 'know' about the man...... all those things, more than just seeing.
TruthSeeker says:
It was not an actual event.
TruthSeeker says:
N: It was a "scenery".
MAYATNIK says:
I call it a 'cameo' (an English expression).....Many of these such are 'presented' for a person in training – they are in fact also presented to ordinary AP-ers, for them to get 'experiences' and interact with 'situations', though AP-ers are not aware what the purpose is....for their level of awareness to be assessed usually, by those who 'create' the scene for the AP-er..   You, on the other hand, have a guide who accompanies you, and will sometimes explain these things
MAYATNIK says:
It'a moving picture of 'events'.....  on a 'stage-set' specially contstructed by the guides for 'exploration practice'.
TruthSeeker says:
N: At a deeper relaxation you will be able to move more "into" the picture. This can also be done in the relaxation-level you are at now, but it takes practice.
TruthSeeker says:
N: Typing long sentences or even keywords will help, as well as you can look back at it later.
TruthSeeker says:
N: Yes we can talk to the Zeta when you are ready, but you have some more questions to ask first.
TruthSeeker says:
Will talking to the Zeta be just like talking to Naren (exept the more polite/diplomatic tone)?
TruthSeeker says:
N: There will be a different "feel" to it, but as long as you "let go" you will be able to percieve then just fine.
TruthSeeker says:
Are you here Mayatnik?
TruthSeeker says:
N: Yes he's here
MAYATNIK says:
I'm here.
TruthSeeker says:
oh
MAYATNIK says:
I'm just watching – that's what Naren has asked me to do at this time, with the minimum of my interaction here, for a purpose..........you can ask Naren some questions about how it will be with the Zeta, and what Naren does about it.
TruthSeeker says:
N: I will connect you to Zeta through our "main-frame". You will be able to get a "feel" of the "persons" involved, as well as you will be able to talk to them.
N: Yes all of them can talk to you, but some of them are just observers.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: Tell me something about them(the Zeta)
The Zeta are located at a mothership. As Mayatnik has told you the ship has been provided by the Arcturians. They wil have a room of their own, but there will be others outside that room watching(No point in hiding it since you have allready read about it - gentle smile).
TruthSeeker says:
N: You forgot to include the "N:", that is very important for further reference. < ---- (This is a common practice for the guides to sometimes tell the person if a point needs to be stressed about something like this, and other things in their teaching and 'training' by the guide.
Those who say that it may be the person's imagination and not an external communication have not had a guide telling them off  (albeit they are always gentle in their remonstration) about something!  It is unmistakably not the person's own mind.
TruthSeeker says:
N: If you are ready we will contact the Zeta now.
TruthSeeker says:
Z: Greetings
Me: Hello Zeta Reticulans, I am pleased to be talking to you.
Z: The pleasire is on our side as well.
Z: You can ask us every question you would like.
Me: Tell me something of your home planet.
Z: We are scattered amongst many planets in this universe. We have no Planet that we can refer to as home more than anything else. We live in Planets with oxygen and we enjoy nature. We have large cities where we live our lives. The duities we perform are very varied. We are scientists and builders as an example. And as you must understand, some of us have been sent out here to assist you.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: Many people are afraid of you, based on wrong beliefs given by many sources. Is the reason for you being in contact with me now to share the knowledge of waht you really are?
Z: This is one of the reasons, yes. We have a job to do very soon on earth, and we need to convince people that we only wish to help.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: Abductions happen apparently, why is this?
Z: We "abduct" humans by escorting their astral body to our ships. There we perform "checkups" and we subconsciously provide the subject with information. This information can be realeased at our will, and with the subjects will, combined.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: There are six of you there in that white room, there are only one of you doing the talking with me. Why is this?
Z: As your guide, Naren, has allready told you: They are here to observe and be present.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: Tell me something about how your community works, is there a president or a King?
Z: At the top we have the Council. Several of the oldest and wisest of us sits there. This is where decicions are made. We do not however have an indirect democracy. Ever citizen of our community has his say, and desicions are based upon that.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: Why is it that all extra terrestirals I have heard of are "humanoid"?
Z: We are all the same. We are beings of Light and has developed from the same Source. We were once like you, but we have grown. How we look now is due to the choises we have made during history. We are masters of genetics, and have shaped our physical bodies as we see fit. Our body has no need for food, as it is energy-relyant and can "digest" pure energy.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: What will be your task here when the Pole Shift arrives?
Z: When the Pole Shift begins we will be on earth assisting those who accept it. After the Shift we wil walk amongst you and give you guidance and support. We will help you in starting communities once again, and we will ensure that the most beneficial actions are taken for you further well being.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: What will happen to the governments we have?
Z: They will fall, and it's members that did you no good, will die. New Government eqivilants will not be formed. You will be based on a Counsil that takes your decision, and you will have a "widened demoracy". You will be assisted in this both by us, and others.
TruthSeeker says:
Me: I can not find any more questions to ask you right now.
Z: That is fine. We are here to answer your questions at all times, and Naren will fix this for you.
Me: Thank you very much for your time.
Z: The pleasure is all ours
Z Be well
TruthSeeker says:
N: You did very well there. Do not worry about not having any more questions, there will be more time to ask them.
TruthSeeker says:
N: I am very pleased.. (big smile)
MAYATNIK says:
It was very informative for people
TruthSeeker says:
(Naren is dancing..)
TruthSeeker says:
N: What you did here aided the greater picture of things to come. People will be more prepared for what is coming.
MAYATNIK says:
These are some of the things that I learned when I was talking to the Zeta many years ago now, so you can see this Agenda for Earth is long-established.  People will now be able to learn what I was told.  At the time, I was told not to reveal those things, and that has been the case until now, until it became time - but there are now going to be a growing number who will learn telepathy and be able to ask on behalf of others, and write down what they and the zeta were discussing.  So, in this way it will benefit all.
TruthSeeker says:
*The Zeta is leaving the half-moon-shped table*
TruthSeeker says:
They wore blueish-white robes. Their appearance was very wise and trusting.
TruthSeeker says:
Their big eyes was very deep and there were a very strong kindness there.
MAYATNIK says:
It felt good to be there
TruthSeeker says:
Most certainly.
MAYATNIK says:
You can arrange with Naren on other occasions to talk to them and they will welcome your questions.
MAYATNIK says:
Because you will want to let people know this information, then this 'format' on MSN Messenger is ideal for this....... sometimes you can just make notes if you are away from the computer, and then write up your account later – even better, if you are not at the computer, to use a tape recorder at the time.......and people will benefit greatly from that..........You are an Emissary and representative of Humankind now.
TruthSeeker says:
How should I use this information?
MAYATNIK says:
The information is for all to hear about - and for now, can be published on the Astral Pulse on the thread.....I am here at this time to assist and write these first few posts.......
Naren will explain a little more about this, and what the plan is to expand from here.
TruthSeeker says:
Ok.
MAYATNIK says:
Can you type what Naren says about this now.
TruthSeeker says:
N: The plan is: Edward will finish what he is doing at the Astral Pulse. Then he will be given other tasks that does not include online guidance. He will be working with persons, and he will be the Base of where you will be "operating" from. He will still be around to help you. You will aswell be given certain tasks when it is time, but for now you should familiarize yourself with all of this.
MAYATNIK says:
The reason why I am 'monitoring' these sessions has in part to do with the presentation........a standard presentation that you and others will adopt as you get familiar with it... my task is also to ensure that the person gets used to the conversations and the way of working as easily as possible (this makes it easier for you at first) and also shows readers a much better overall picture.......
MAYATNIK says:
These transcripts will also be used for the 'teachers' whom I shall train, for them to follow the same patterns......this will achieve the maximum benefit for all.
TruthSeeker says:
I see.
TruthSeeker says:
Well I guess we have done what we were supposed to then.
MAYATNIK says:
Yes. It went very well indeed, and Naren has just agreed there.
MAYATNIK says:
That was excelllent work
TruthSeeker says:
#61514;
MAYATNIK says:
You will become familiar with doing this as you progress..........but for now Naren wants me to 'monitor' sessions to assist you also.
TruthSeeker says:
Yes I understand, and appreciate it.
MAYATNIK says:
You already have good confidence........but you will learn even more, easily and quickly, as you proceed now.
MAYATNIK says:
The Zeta are now, for you, literally only a 'phone call' away when arranged by Naren....... it is the reverse of "ET phone home"......because Humans are now able to phone ET.
TruthSeeker says:
heheh
TruthSeeker says:
Very exellent.
MAYATNIK says:
It is made especially simple all round, by using this Messenger format........and the Zeta tap on to MSN Messenger and spool it to their computer.....so that other Zeta can also read it afterwards.  This is very helpful for the planning and things associated with this joint-venture between the Zeta and the Pleiadians, because the Zeta have a log of the Messenger conversation with them.
MAYATNIK says:
very helpful  to all, in this stage now to build a real friendship with those who will be assisting Earth in preparation for the coming Pole Shift, and afterwards.
TruthSeeker says:
Yes I see the importance of this.
MAYATNIK says:
We have done enough for tonight.........so have you any further questions before we close this session.....?....to myself or to Naren at this time.
TruthSeeker says:
No questions that I can think of.
I should probably go to bed and get some sleep before classes begin in four hours..
Good night Mayatnik, and thank you for everyting.
MAYATNIK says:
You need your sleep........and know that Naren is there all the time, to talk to you.  I will see you tomorrow.......so in the meantime Goodnight and sleep well !
TruthSeeker says:
Love and Light
       and
     Be well
MAYATNIK says:
Love and Light
MAYATNIK says:
The Seeker has found the Truth !
              Be Well

----o----

Congratulations to TruthSeeker on his first conversation with the ZETA.  So, yet another person becomes an Emissary to the Stars, and a Representative of Mankind in the shape of things to come.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[ZETA]

ZETA  NOW "FRIENDLY"-TALKING TO
Two AP MEMBERS IN  'Joint Venture'* !
*Pleaidians assist in telepathic link-up to Zeta

Yes - it is true!  And now, the truth shall be known more and more about the Zeta, and what they are here for..... because, following an 'incident' last Sunday night (17 August, 2003 - a date to remember!) that 6 members of the Astral Pulse were witness to in a Multi-Chat on MSN Messenger, the Zeta are now seeking "Friendly Interchange" with humans in a Joint Venture with the Pleiadians, who have arranged in the last few days a special 'hook-up' with the Zeta for Pleiadian telepathy students here on the Astral Pulse to talk one-to-one with a Zeta Guide-Representative who will be available to answer all questions.

The 'incident' that had led to this decision being made by the Zeta following discussion they had with the Pleiadians was concerning a Zeta guide who had broken a rule of 'etiquette' by encouraging her charge (a non-member, invited into the 'chat' session) to Astral Project in what was meant to be a telepathy discussion group.  The Zeta guide had acted with the best of intentions, but had not checked with her supervisor-guide, nor had she taken heed of the fact that it was a gathering of Pleiadian guides and their charges.  The result of the Zeta guide's enthusiasm to seek to pursuade (via her charge) other members of our group to Astral Project at that time (the normal Zeta 'method' of contact, rather than by telepathy) led to confusion within our cyberspace gathering, and in fact some distress of those members present due to the shock of the unanticipated turn of events that had culminated in a strong Astral Projection felt even in cyberspace.

During the time of the incident my PC crashed (something it is very prone to doing, but on this occasion at the very worst time) and I lost contact with those in the group for about a minute.  In thiat time I realized on speaking to my guide, Karek, that things were not as we had planned.  I requested communication with Shea (the Zeta guide now in that group) but Shea declined telepathic communication without reason given (and that is a further breach of rules of cross-species etiquette in the Higher Realms) but I became aware through Karek that Shea was continuing with the purpose of an Astral Projection for the group, harmless in itself, but disturbing since not requested.  Karek then contacted the Zeta at the highest level, and Shea was immediately reprimanded by her supervisor and the Astral Projection was terminated.  Within seconds I had received the equivalent of a telepathic email from the Zeta wishing to apologise publically for this breach of etiquette by their guide.  I then typed what I'd received and proceeded to explain in brief to the group in the multi-chat what had transpired.

While in itself only a breach of etiquette, the Zeta take such things very seriously and top-level discussions then took place  with the Pleiadians who explained how I was training certain members of the Astral Pulse who the Pleiadian guides had considered 'ready' for telepathy.  The Zeta, who promised that such a breach would not occur again, were keen to explore possibilities of co-operation with the Pleiadians for selected members of our telepathy group to have "Friendly Interchange" with the Zeta, which would be good for the members and good for the Zeta who feel, as the Pleiadians do also, that humans will benefit from knowing more about the them and their purpose here at this time with the Earth Project the Zeta are already working on with the Pleiadians and other off-planet species of Higher Beings.  So it was, that a new milestone was reached last Sunday with the opportunity now that will be ongoing for humans to have contact in "information sessions"  with the Zeta as never before, and which was largely hitherto confined to such as Nancy of Zetatalk.  Thus, 17 August, 2003 will go down in Galactic History, as a brand new joint venture with humans.

I am pleased to be able to announce here, that the Pleiadian guides have selected EDI and PARMENION to be the first to talk at length with the Zeta - and those two events (which I carefully kept independent and separate from each other with no interaction between them) were recorded on MSN Messenger exactly word for word as they took place.

The system employed in the telepathy training sessions is what will be used here.  That is, when a guide is speaking to the person via telepathy then the person types what they 'hear' in their head using the initial letter of the guide's name followed by a colon and then what has actually been received.  In the case of the Zeta guide-representative we used "Z:" to indicate.  To further clarity and ease of reading, I have for the purposes of this article, specially formatted the guide's text-lines as follows.....

----- telepathic person <--- here EDI or PARMENION.
----- P: Perena speaking <--- Edi's guide
----- K: Karek speaking <-- Parmenion's guide.
----- (Karek at the moment working jointly with Parmenion and me)
----- Z: Zeta speaking <--whichever Zeta is there.
-----Myself (MAYATNIK) speaking

(I am also in touch at all times during telepathic training sessions with the person's own guide so that I can work directly and effectively in the training of the person by me following their guide's instructions via a 'private line' telepathically - and the same procedure is extended to include the Zeta here, who I am also in constant touch with during the course of the person's conversation in my 'monitoring' capacity of the event).

Below you will find the two transcripts, made public for the first time.  EDI was the very first human to communicate with the Zeta in this venture, so naturally he comes before Parmenion in order.  But Parmenion made an excellent interviewer of the Zeta when his turn came.  And, needless to say, the Zeta are highly delighted with the outcome from this first beginning and it will now become incorporated in future Zeta-Pleiadian co-operation to bring information to humans by answering  questions in this "Friendly Interchange" using telepathy thanks to the Pleiadians facilitating hook-ups with the Zeta computer by arrangement.


*EDI* talks with the Zeta

EDI says:
Hello Edward.
MAYATNIK says:
Hello Edi.  How are you now?
EDI says:
Perena asks me to tell you from her:"Edi would really like to be shown something in order to gain more confidence".
EDI says:
And I'm still a bit afraid of expressing this myself, as in the first night
MAYATNIK says:
Perena has told me what she would like me to do with you, in a session.  And it will expand your knowledge at the same time.
EDI says:
I felt this night right to ask about it.
MAYATNIK says:
Yes...... it will be very good for you.
I am trying to clear another window, then we can start the session.... hang on.......
MAYATNIK says:
When will it be quiet in your house for this session Edi?
EDI says:
It is quiet now - everyone is sleeping, and normally no one comes looking for the computer. My mother goes to the toilet every 3 hours, the last time 20 minutes ago, so I should be undisturbed now.
MAYATNIK says:
That is good.  We are nearly ready now.
EDI says:
I am thankful for whatever will come and appreciate the time you put into this.
MAYATNIK says:
It is your time for these things.  The guides choose the time.
MAYATNIK says:
Finally.........the decks are cleared..... and we can now be undisturbed.
EDI says:
Okay
MAYATNIK says:
Has Perena told you anything about the Zeta?
EDI says:
No
MAYATNIK says:
Do you know anything about them yourself?
EDI says:
I know they are an alien race, and what I read in your posts on AP... Just an alien species. And I know zetatalk.com
MAYATNIK says:
Well, essentially....they are the ones who fly the 'flying saucers'. Also, they are different from the Pleiadians in the way they talk.  They are very 'etiquette' conscious, and like 'correctness' and 'politeness' at all times.  Also, they tend to be very 'work minded', always 'busy' doing something....going somewhere or coming back from somewhere to go somewhere else to do another job.
MAYATNIK says:
Can you picture them from that description?
EDI says:
Yes, I get a feeling about them
MAYATNIK says:
that's good....because you need to get a 'diplomatic' feel about how they see themselves.
MAYATNIK says:
they are very interested now in talking to people, so that humans can get to know them better - and I was given a small list of those selected by the Pleiadians who are now jointly working with them on this particular venture..... for those humans to take part in conversation with a Zeta guide-representive, and who I am going to help introduce to them......starting with you.
EDI says:
I'm so interested in other species and cultures... I thought about this before.
EDI says:
I wanted to know how other species live their life - what they do all they, their culture, their people, and so on.
MAYATNIK says:
Well, this cropped up as a very practical issue last night, as you will be aware from what I have told you about the 'incident' that occurred in a multi-chat... and which has now brought about this opportunity for you to talk to the Zeta, following joint Zeta-Pleiadian agreement for this to take place under the supervision of your Pleiadian guide who is making all necessary arrangements here
MAYATNIK says:
You may talk about anything that you like regarding the Zeta......and also about such things as the so-called 'abductions' that the Zeta do.  Feel free in your questioning.  All that is required is to be 'diplomatic' at all times since this is standard galactic convention in telepathy, and have an obvious air of sincere politeness in addressing them.  They will respond always in a polite manner.
MAYATNIK says:
Ok?
EDI says:
Yes
EDI says:
I'm a bit nervous, but I have courage and trust my guidance
MAYATNIK says:
That's all you have to do.............it will be easy.... First we are going to get good contact with your own guide (the Zeta have their guide-representative standing by) and then Perena will connect you (jsut like a telephone link-up) when she feels you are comfortable...so we'll talk first with Perena.
MAYATNIK says:
Contact Perena now please, Edi
EDI says:
I am talking with her now.
MAYATNIK says:
(type everything you say, and everything said to you......use Z:  for Zeta and P: to preced whatever your guide Perena says)
EDI says:
P: Concentrate on my voice Edi
EDI says:
P: This is good
EDI says:
P: I will hook you up when you are ready
EDI says:
Okay, I think we can begin
MAYATNIK says:
I'll just watch for now.
EDI says:
P: Here we go...
EDI says:
Z: Hello Edi
EDI says:
I am pleased to meet you.
EDI says:
Z: The pleasure is on my side, too.
EDI says:
Z: We are interested in talking to humans, and I think you will be interested in talking to us, too.
EDI says:
Please understand that this is still uncommon for me and I need a few minutes to get familiar with it. I would like to talk about what is going on with Earth at the moment and in the near future.
EDI says:
Z: I understand. What area are you interested in?
EDI says:
I learned that several species oversee the evolution at the Earth at the moment. I would be interested in the role your species, the Zeta, play here.
EDI says:
Z: We are here to bring information to the human race in our ways, which are different from those of other races.
EDI says:
What is this information about, and how do you get it "down" on earth?
EDI says:
I learned that the species involved use something we would call a "computer" to access this world and to interact with humans.
EDI says:
Z: Yes, we use what you call a "computer" to bring information to the consciousness of humans. But we also use it to gather information to see how everything progesses, and what actions to take best.
EDI says:
Z: Our link to the human mind is made by altering it's state of consciousness - you call it trance, astral projection, meditation - even drug experiences are what whe work with.
EDI says:
Z: The overall goal is to awaken the humans to their full potential, to help them get rid of their barriers.
EDI says:
Z: And to finally evolve and take the next evolutionary leap.
EDI says:
Is your computer able to control Astral Projections?
EDI says:
Z: Yes. What humans can do by themselves, we can assist with our computer.
EDI says:
Z: We can take them out of their bodies if they are willing to, or if they sleep, and give them information this way.
EDI says:
P: Edi would be very interested in seeing how this works.
EDI says:
Z: It is not difficult to do.
EDI says:
I have been practicing Astral Projection, but with no big success. Is it possible that you show me how you computer does this?
EDI says:
Z: It does require physical relaxation, which you do not have sufficiently at the moment.
EDI says:
If it'll be possible to talk to you later, I would be glad to talk about this again when I am in a more comfortable position.
EDI says:
Z: You may contact us at any time.
EDI says:
Another topic I have some questions about is: abductions.
EDI says:
Z: This is something commonly misperceived.
EDI says:
The overall image is that people get abducted, suffer from pain, get back on earth and tell horror stories of aliens.
EDI says:
Z: There are two causes for this wrong image. First, the human mind often is not ready to accept what it perceives and makes up a story in his mind. When someone doesn't believe that everything was fine, he may construct something which fits his view of the world. This is the case when people are afraid of everything which has to do with aliens, when they are following the image they are given from their governments via the media.
EDI says:
Z: Second, many of the "abduction accounts" are simply faked to provoke fear.
EDI says:
What does in fact happen when someone gets abducted, taken on an extraterrestrial ship?
EDI says:
Z: One thing is: the genetic material and the state of the evolving body is checked, in order that further planning can be done, and to see how everything develops.
EDI says:
Z: Then, information is given to individuals. They may not remember it consciously, but it will affect their behaviour, it is like an electromagnetic imprint which is influencing it's environment.
EDI says:
Z: This is information about: what is going to happen with earth and the humans; what the world governments are up to; what personal things the individual should address to further his growth and the growth of his environment.
EDI says:
Z: Note that only few of these "abductions" are done by using physical ships. In fact, we work much with people while they sleep.
EDI says:
I remember a "dream" from some days ago - I was in a distant place when I was being invited to an alien ship by 2 creatures. Are the Zetas in any way related to this "dream"?
EDI says:
Z: It was not we who took you on the ship in this dream.
EDI says:
P: It was a Pleiadian scene you were in.
EDI says:
Z: Do you have more questions?
EDI says:
There are many things I am interested in. For now: Can you tell me of the role you are playing in this earth scenario?
EDI says:
Z: I cannot tell you too much now, but you can know that I am working in the area of communication with humans. Direct communication. There are many organisational things to do in the background, and many things which are not directly related to communicating face-to-face (or mind-to-mind) with humans.
EDI says:
Z: I am a guide for some humans, giving them information and helping them to grow.
EDI says:
I thank you for this information.
EDI says:
I am curious about your people. I know that you are overseeing the evolution of the earth, but what is the whole of your people doing? Is every Zeta being watching the Earth, or do you too have cities, people who work and do their duties, build houses and live a "normal" life?
EDI says:
Z: We do originate from a distant part of this universe, where we have planets with cities on it, where "normal" life takes place, as you call it. But everyone is aware of what is happening here. A portion of our people came to Earth to assist actively in this development.
EDI says:
I would really enjoy meeting end experiencing your people and your culture.
EDI says:
Z: You will, if you want to. You can ask your guide to contact us at any time, so we can either talk or later show you what you are interested in by using our methods.
EDI says:
I thank you for this generous offer.
EDI says:
Z: We will be glad to establish a friendly flowing of information between our species.
EDI says:
Do you have any questions, or something I could answer you from my point of view?
MAYATNIK says:
(I got cut off - your last message was:
Do you have any questions, or something I could answer you from my point of view?
EDI says:
This talk was quite exhausting .. a bit "formal" and rigid maybe
MAYATNIK says:
Did I miss anything when I was cut off?  There was no answer after your question I repasted above......so no end to the conversation apperently
EDI says:
The answer was
"Z: No, thank you very much. As we are looking from the "outside" to the "inside", we can see and know more than you can imagine."
EDI says:
Then i said "Then, as I don't have any questions left myself, I think it's time to finish this conversation. I thank you ver much for being able to talk to you and for the information I received."
EDI says:
and
"Z: It was a pleasure to talk to you. I wish you a good night."
EDI says:
(cut&paste doesn't work, but I can type fast)
MAYATNIK says:
That is excellent....... I just missed all that......there was no 'edi is typing' message on my screen, and nothing came through.... so that is now everything in the converstion, for the log.  good.
EDI says:
I will like to learn more about these computers and see what they do
MAYATNIK says:
they are fascinating....and unlike ours they don't break down
EDI says:
Yes... telepathy is nice, but I am missing some vivid colours, something happening, something to see, if you know what I mean... I'd like to see the computer doing something with me.
MAYATNIK says:
We'll see.
EDI says:
What do you think of this conversation?
MAYATNIK says:
The Zeta work a different way.......their 'operating system' is different, so they will tend to want to use their 'methods' to show people things, especially if a person has a Zeta guide......and which they have offered to do, for you also even though your guide is Pleiadian..... You can however 'see' these things by also asking Perena to 'connect' you (that is the Pleiadian system - to 'take you' there, on invitation - and it is faster than the Zeta computer, in fact virtually instant)... so all that is open to you.....'in full colour' as you put it.
MAYATNIK says:
Ask Perena about this.
EDI says:
P: I can hook up your consciousness to different places via our computer.
MAYATNIK says:
As for the conversation....it was excellent......you had a very good 'rapport' there, and I was getting good reports from the Zeta also on this.  They are highly pleased with the conversation.
EDI says:
The voice was low and in the beginning a bit .. metallish  But I got used to it quickly.
EDI says:
I sortof "see" the zeta voice in the lower left part of my mind, and perena is in the upper right.
EDI says:
That's how I can distinguish easily... everyone has his space in my mind.
MAYATNIK says:
Yes.  That splits it well.
EDI says:
I just can't think of a place I'd like to be connected to... hmm
MAYATNIK says:
The Zeta are quite 'formal' sounding in their conversation......so now you have experienced another off-planet culture that is very old.
EDI says:
Uncommon, but nice.
MAYATNIK says:
they are very much the Mr Spock of the Enterprise type personality (they don't mind me saying this...lol)
EDI says:
Hehe  =)
EDI says:
Everyone has to play his role.
MAYATNIK says:
The reports I was getting from the Zeta side during that conversation were that they are now planning for more of this type of communication using telepathy with those who are Pleiadian trained (such as yourself) and in that way build a very friendly interchange of information between humans and themselves.
EDI says:
That will be very nice
MAYATNIK says:
You are the FIRST in this new venture!
EDI says:
Well, I'm not too excited about it, but I really appreciate it
EDI says:
(excitement is something I am missing since the beginning )
MAYATNIK says:
It has been done before, obviously - I did it myself when I was training......but it has never been done in a 'formal' sense as part of a program (such as we are undertaking with the Pleiadians here)
EDI says:
I understand
MAYATNIK says:
Why do you think the excitement is missing.
EDI says:
Ah okay, it is not missing, it just isn't there
EDI says:
I just accept what comes
EDI says:
Without big turmoil
MAYATNIK says:
Do you feel you are somehow now 'intergalactic' in your perception, and that it is becoming as easy as breathing.
MAYATNIK says:
?
EDI says:
Yes, I feel that I am opening to a much bigger world around me
EDI says:
Which I will want to explorer with all senses and tools which are available to me
MAYATNIK says:
The telephone that you first got was exciting the first time.....but now you treat it as normal, and even necessary, in 'everyday' communication....and that you are concentrating more now on what can be done with it, rather than the 'facility' itself.
EDI says:
Exactly.
MAYATNIK says:
The Zeta and Perena wish me to ask you may I post this conversation with the Zeta on the site...at the appropriate time.....since this will greatly help the understanding of humans regarding the Zeta
MAYATNIK says:
Perena knows all about this, so ask her please.
EDI says:
P: There will be more information on the board regarding the different species, and who play what role in what is to come.
EDI says:
I agree that it's posted at the appropriate time if it will help.
EDI says:
It is good.. over time, this will grow really big.
MAYATNIK says:
Well, I shall have moved on before too long...and others will be coming in to further it.
MAYATNIK says:
Now..... As you have been told by the Zeta guide-representative......you are welcome to talk to them at any time, and even experience for yourself how they do things - but as they have said, that is more suitable for when you are really relaxed, or in bed...  For our purposes online especially, here and in any training sessions, the Pleiadian system of instant connection is more appropriate and of course is ideal for Messenger....typing what you see.......
EDI says:
P: Maybe we can show Edi how to use this instant connection, if you like to.
MAYATNIK says:
(Unlike the standard Zeta system of AP-ing and 'trance', you would be fully conscious and at the keyboard while that is occurring.....like Parenion's transcript of his similar experience that he posted some time back)
MAYATNIK says:
That would be a good idea Perena....... because it is really very easy, as Parmenion demonstrated.
EDI says:
And I would like it very much, probably.
MAYATNIK says:
probably is an understatement Edi...as Parmenion would tell you.  It will be a very good experience if Perena will do this for you.
EDI says:
P: He is just laying a conversation on ice so he is free.. then we can begin
MAYATNIK says:
Ok.
EDI says:
P: Good.. we can begin
EDI says:
P: Type what I say, and what you experience
EDI says:
P: Ask me to hook you up to the place I want you to see (it's normal to ask for it, so we do it here)
EDI says:
Perena, please hook me up to the place you want me to see.
EDI says:
I experience just a bit a cold feeling in my palms.. nothing else
EDI says:
P: You have to allow yourself to go
EDI says:
P: Just give me some time
EDI says:
P: And keep your eyes open.
EDI says:
I experience... just the room I am sitting in, my normal surroundings.
EDI says:
Typing this into the computer
EDI says:
Hearing the sound of the computer fans
MAYATNIK says:
Try to see the image before you......sense it.. the area that you are 'in' (not the room...... where the image is) and allow yourself to expand your consciousness to see and feel it, be there
MAYATNIK says:
Try to see and be with the image before you
EDI says:
Like with my physical eyes, or in my mind?
MAYATNIK says:
It is your 'inner' eye......your true consciousness (your physical eyes simply connect to your body)
EDI says:
I can sense something... a faint image in my inner eye
EDI says:
P: What color do you see?
EDI says:
White
EDI says:
I feel something moving to the left
MAYATNIK says:
(defucus your eyes..and let yourself 'see' the new surroundings)
MAYATNIK says:
that's good < --- * Perena had confirmed progress ot me 'privately' *
MAYATNIK says:
you can turn your physical head...... or sense your consciousness turning its head.
EDI says:
a strange feeling is there, but i don't see much
MAYATNIK says:
then go by the 'feeling', sense it that way
MAYATNIK says:
listen for any 'voces' (they will be telepathic) ..'look' to see where they are coming from, look for a figure
EDI says:
it's like someone waving a hand there... trying to get my attention
MAYATNIK says:
that's it....you've got it !
EDI says:
in a long brown robe
MAYATNIK says:
you're there !
EDI says:
I'm not quite sure of the surroundings
EDI says:
P: Describe
EDI says:
A conveyor belt to the left?
EDI says:
P: no.. look again
EDI says:
The ground starts to get green
EDI says:
like grass
EDI says:
in the middle of the image there's something brown...
EDI says:
like a hut maybe
EDI says:
P: Yes
EDI says:
The person in the robe is giving me signs to come to him
EDI says:
P: Just use your will and go there
EDI says:
Am I there with a body?
EDI says:
P: Look down..
EDI says:
I see my body
EDI says:
P: It depends on where you are if the others can see you
EDI says:
The person says "Nice to meet you"
EDI says:
I ask "Who are you?"
EDI says:
He: "I am just someone living in this hut..."
EDI says:
"Did you know that I'll come?"
EDI says:
He: "No, it took me totally by surprise.. not many people are passing here"
EDI says:
Mayatnik, am I doing it right?
MAYATNIK says:
You're doing very well indeed.
MAYATNIK says:
Perena will guide you
EDI says:
I hear birds in the trees ... a river...
EDI says:
P: Look around you - either turn your head or use 360° awareness, whatever you like
EDI says:
There's a forest around the wood... The hut is built at the edge of a clearing
EDI says:
a forest around the _hut_ I mean.
EDI says:
P: Ask the person if he can teach you something
EDI says:
He: "If you like to, yes. Follow me into the hut"
EDI says:
he goes to the door, opens it
EDI says:
it's not so dark inside, there's a violet light.. violet and red
EDI says:
P: Enter
EDI says:
P: What is this light like?
EDI says:
it's on the walls... and crossing the room in solid beams.. or like a liquid
EDI says:
red lines on violet background
EDI says:
He: "Imagining being in a field of this colors has a certain effect on you"
EDI says:
P: Feel how it is like
EDI says:
it gives strength and determination
EDI says:
P: Exactly!
EDI says:
He: "You can summon such a field around yourself whenever you need to accomplish something... when you have to be strong and stable"
EDI says:
I'm back on the outside
EDI says:
the man said goodbye ...
EDI says:
P: Raise yourself over the scenery and look
EDI says:
I see big forests... a river to the right.. mountains in the distance.. a beautiful scenery
EDI says:
P: Okay, this is it.
EDI says:
P: We're done with this little excursion.
EDI says:
Okay ...
EDI says:
This was ... nice
EDI says:
I expected to see more vividly before my eyes... it's still faint before my inner eye, but that will develop I think.
EDI says:
P: You will grow into it
MAYATNIK says:
This was a first time....and it is like using muscles for the first time.....they become second-nature after they've been used......but just take a few times to get used to... next 'visit' will be easier.
EDI says:
Okay, I'll train with Perena.
MAYATNIK says:
Excellent.
EDI says:
it's probably the same as with telepathy
MAYATNIK says:
It is
EDI says:
thank you for this
MAYATNIK says:
You have an additional 'facility' now
EDI says:
P: I was training before with Edi to see images and short scenes in his mind this way, and so prepared him.
EDI says:
Good... when I'm in bed I'll ask about out-of-body exploration with the Zetas... I'm curious about everything
MAYATNIK says:
You did that well Edi.... now you know how to let yourself 'go' there
EDI says:
Yes.. it's a reality which is always there, but my inner eye is so undeveloped because I never paid attention to it.
EDI says:
P: Exactly... when you astral project, you have only these inner senses without the disturbances of the physical body, that's why it may seem easier.
MAYATNIK says:
Even the 'awareness' to see your surroundings, and to move within them became clearer how to do it as you went on..... became instinctive.
EDI says:
P: Either you AP, or you go there in your mind while in your body... in the end, it's the same.
EDI says:
Intent is everything there.. I just "do" it
EDI says:
and I "am" it
MAYATNIK says:
That's all there is to it.......just to 'do' it.
MAYATNIK says:
distance, even where in time, is no different.....you just 'go'.
EDI says:
I'm getting a hold on all this non-physical things ... now I just need training to percieve more clearly
MAYATNIK says:
Perena will train you.
EDI says:
And I would really like to learn techniques to shut of the physical senses to go there and see only with the inner senses
MAYATNIK says:
I am here to help you get started, that's all.
EDI says:
P: I and the Zetas will assist you in this
EDI says:
You're the kick-start which get's everything running
MAYATNIK says:
I'm the Cranking-Handle.
EDI says:
Yes...
MAYATNIK says:
I've done all these things that you are beginning to learn about now.... so I can look from "above" and co-ordinate with the guides.....
EDI says:
It must be wonderful to see and live clearly in these realms
MAYATNIK says:
I'm able to check what you are seeing (go there myself) and also talk to any guides Zeta or Pleiadian and receive instructions from them what to do next, or to let them do (such as letting Perena explain rather than me in places)
EDI says:
I see... that's a good set-up indeed
MAYATNIK says:
That is how the tuition works so fast
EDI says:
Seems like those species got a well devised plan =)
MAYATNIK says:
Messenger is a good 'format' for the initial stages...because the typing actually helps speed up the confidence.
EDI says:
Yes.. every night on MSN with you is a quantum leap forward.
EDI says:
And Perena gets me to type things even if I am shy of expressing it myself
MAYATNIK says:
I am here for when the guides want me to do something....when a person is ready for the next 'stage'.
MAYATNIK says:
We shall pick the right time for me to post your telepathy with the Zeta, for the maximum interest of members.
EDI says:
P: We'll see when it fits best
MAYATNIK says:
The guides keep a careful check on what is happening in the threads.
EDI says:
That's no surprise
EDI says:
I wonder if they have a internet dial-up on their mothership .. lol
MAYATNIK says:
Ask Perena..... lol
EDI says:
She says
"no need to dial in.." ... they can access it easily with their technology
MAYATNIK says:
Exactly !
MAYATNIK says:
(no dial-up fees either)
EDI says:
lol
EDI says:
This is where I want to lead humanity.. internet without dial-up fees!
MAYATNIK says:
When you were doing your hook-up with the Zeta......the Zeta all had a connection with Messenger, and were following the typing as you wrote !  You didn't know you were reaching a mass Zeta audience!
EDI says:
Oh my god! =)
MAYATNIK says:
They said, "Don't tell him until afterwards.....but we are all following this with great interest"
EDI says:
That is really nice
EDI says:
If you had told me I had been nervous... I played in a theater group once, I know how it feels to be on stage
MAYATNIK says:
The galactic Zeta 'audience' loved you......they are very interested and caring about human beings.
MAYATNIK says:
As you get more advanced, you too will be able to get instant 'traffic' and the equivalent of emails from different sources, while you are doing something else.
EDI says:
I already imagined something like that... as Perena can't always give me something, e.g. when I'm not listening, busy or whatever.. I can at some time ask "Perena, do I have new mail?" .. Sounds really funny.
MAYATNIK says:
This is it !
EDI says:
Intuition finds its ways, it seems
MAYATNIK says:
Karek will say to me, "Don't bother watching the News..there's nothing on much till later tonight.  We'll let you know"
EDI says:
That's nice
MAYATNIK says:
Also both Zeta and Pleiadians monitor all the TV and radio transmissions.
EDI says:
Interesting.. I'll have much to find, I'm eager to learn
EDI says:
This night has revealed itself to be very inspiring and productive
EDI says:
P: As I told you this evening.
MAYATNIK says:
Why don't you ask Perena now........about the TV... and what is 'monitored' and why.
EDI says:
P: We are mostly interested in the news - what gets presented to the broad masses by their leaders.
EDI says:
P: We also look at how the other entertaining movies etc. affect people's mind
EDI says:
P: What emotions are being provoked
EDI says:
P: We need to be informed because we want to heal the media conditioning... the rigid mind-set which is enforced by watching TV.
EDI says:
P: Ideas and emotions are transmitted by the media.
EDI says:
Okay....
EDI says:
Well, I think it'll be time for me to go to bed.. I'd like to finish before my parents get up
EDI says:
P: And he desperately needs to go the toilet =)
MAYATNIK says:
It has been very productive tonight.
EDI says:
Yes... everything.
MAYATNIK says:
I shall make a drink now, before my next 'appointment schedule'.
EDI says:
I'm (as always) really thankful for what you show me
MAYATNIK says:
Now you can continue those things with Perena.....and you have the Zeta also.  So, many new horizons are opening up now.
EDI says:
I'll take the time to explore those
EDI says:
I'll retreat to the mountains again tomorrow... and this time, I'll be alone and undisturbed.
MAYATNIK says:
You get some much deserved sleep now.
EDI says:
I'll enjoy it... as I know that learning goes on while I sleep
EDI says:
I'm not really tired, but sleeping is good nevertheless
MAYATNIK says:
It does indeed.........and the great thing is....that you can talk to Perena (or the Zeta now, whenever Perena connects you) while you're in bed relaxed.........
EDI says:
Exactly
EDI says:
That's what I'm going to do now
EDI says:
I'll enjoy having lots of aliens in my bed
MAYATNIK says:
lol......... Auf Wiedersehen !  Guten Nacht Edi !


*PARMENION* talks with the Zeta

Parmenion says:
Good morning!
Parmenion says:
You get any sleep?
MAYATNIK says:
Not yet.
Parmenion says:
Sooooo what's the Plan of Action?
MAYATNIK says:
How are you doing with karek?
Parmenion says:
Ok
Parmenion says:
Talking every day, many times a day
Parmenion says:
I'm no longer doubting or worrying about it, I just keep chatting
MAYATNIK says:
that's good.
MAYATNIK says:
What does Karek say at this moment, about the situation regarding the Zeta and so forth?
Parmenion says:
Is it time for me to talk?.........
K: "Definately"
MAYATNIK says:
Then can Karek just tell you briefly what we can do this morning?
Parmenion says:
'hook-up' to the Zeta where I will talk with one or more of them
MAYATNIK says:
The Zeta are standing by, and are happy to have a "friendly interchange" with you, and answer any questions. Have you got a number of questions already?
Parmenion says:
I would say no....but theres plenty of questions 'up in the air'. I hadn't given thought to what to ask to be honest
Parmenion says:
Questions wont be a problem I imagine
MAYATNIK says:
If you just talk, then the questions should easily flow.
Parmenion says:
Exactly
MAYATNIK says:
Are you ready to hook-up to the Zeta now, Karek.....and how will you do this?
Parmenion says:
K: I am ready. I will make the connection
MAYATNIK says:
Ok. Then I'll leave it with you to initiate - and you'll obviously be there to assist Parmenion during the course of the conversation if needed. I shall observe and keep in touch with you karek and the Zeta from this end, as Parmenion talks to them, and in that way I will monitor.
Parmenion says:
K: Ok. Leave it with us. All will be fine
Parmenion says:
Z: Hello
Parmenion says:
who am I speaking with?
Parmenion says:
Z: we are a group chosen to represent the Zeta in comunicating with you
Parmenion says:
you'll have to excuse me if Im a little slow, I am typing this as we speak
Parmenion says:
Z: that is ok
Parmenion says:
Z: Is there something you wish to ask us?
Parmenion says:
There are many questions I wish to ask
Parmenion says:
Z: start from the beginning
Parmenion says:
what is your purpose here at this time?
Parmenion says:
Z: we wish to explain to you the nature of our relationship with humans
Parmenion says:
Z: we are here to help
Parmenion says:
Is your area of assistance primarily focused on the Pole Shift?
Parmenion says:
Z: Yes it is
Parmenion says:
Z: We are here to assist in many ways to prepare humanity for the huge changes that are coming
Parmenion says:
Have you been here for long?
Parmenion says:
Z: Yes we have
Parmenion says:
Z: Time is not the same for us
Parmenion says:
Z: this is a very special time for earth and humanity
Parmenion says:
What exactly is going to happen?
Parmenion says:
Z: there is going to be a huge shift is conciousness on this planet. The Pole shift is a part of the process that will take earth to the next level
Parmenion says:
Of conciousness?
Parmenion says:
Z: Yes
Parmenion says:
Z: We are here to prepare you for that
Parmenion says:
Will many people die at the time of the pole shift?
Parmenion says:
Z: Yes many people will die
Parmenion says:
Why is this neccessary?
Parmenion says:
Z: It is necessary so that the earth can begin the trancendance from the 3rd Dimension
Parmenion says:
What will happen to governments?
Parmenion says:
Z: they will no longer exist
Parmenion says:
people will rally together?
Parmenion says:
Z: in a way yes. Small groups of people will remain with one or two people to lead these groups. The groups will come together to form little communities.It will be a much more peacefully time
Parmenion says:
really?
Parmenion says:
Z: yes, there will not be feuds or wars as they exist today
Parmenion says:
How do you go about preparing people for this Pole Shift?
Parmenion says:
Z: We let certain people know what to do in the

[A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS]

Hello Everyone,

I received the following email from Ivan (*wantsumrice*) entitled "BUNCH OF QUESTIONS" so I have decided to post my reply here in <QUESTION FOR MAYATNIK> for all to share – as the points raised certainly do need to be put into the right perspective to avoid further misconceptions, such as Ivan has in general about these issues.

I reproduce Ivan's email below:

A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS
Ok, because of karma is there a real reason to care about the people in lithuania who are suffering? i figured because its karma they are learning a lesson and that we shouldnt need to worry about them...because they are learning. If we interfere wouldnt we be interfering with their learning?

Another...Alex and i have a strange connection...would you know anything about this? because lately we've been experiencing the same feelings and the same revelations.

What is the deal with people who mock and make fun of other people? If their lives were already planned then how come they make fun of other people? OR were they supposed to make fun of those people so that THEY (ppl being made fun of) are to learn a lesson?

Since our physical self basically has no say in anything in our lives, then our whole self must be in our subconcious right? If its in our subconcious then wouldnt we have two lives (one in our subconcious and our physical self?).

Since we are being aware (spiritaully aware) in our lives right now that would be great jump in our spiritual developement right? Also, if we are aware, and it took so much time to be aware, do we have to do this again in our next lifetime? or is it that because we are aware now that we dont need to reincarnate later?

haha, i know these are a lot of questions, but could you please answer them? theyve been plaguing my mind for a while now thanks a lot!
~ivan

Let's take these points one by one.....

Ok, because of karma is there a real reason to care about the people in lithuania who are suffering? i figured because its karma they are learning a lesson and that we shouldnt need to worry about them...because they are learning. If we interfere wouldnt we be interfering with their learning?

I don't know where you've got this idea from Ivan.  But, if it is from your reading of the book you bought very recently, entitled <BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH> (which I recommended to you), then you have clearly misinterpreted what was written there – so I would suggest you reread carefully and reflect on the material given there, because the background to everything appertaining to this point, and all the other points you raise here and much more, are all covered in great detail to be assimilated so that misperceptions will be removed.  The answers are not given on a plate – as I have said so many times – and the material needs to be really well absorbed and thought about.  Most of all, people need to build on what their intuition tells them as a starting point, to assist the removal of colouration due to conditioning fed to the people of Earth by their so-called 'leaders'.

Karma is there to be 'worked through' by people.  It is a societal thing, rather than an individual one.  But the lessons to be learned do affect the individual, wherever they may be – so they don't have to be in Lithuania or any other trouble spot in the world for them to benefit from the opportunities to learn.  Karma is visited upon a particular society or country, due to the initiation of a person or a group, and its effect is born by society in how they deal with it or choose to ignore it; it may then encompass the whole of several countries for a long time.

Hitler was one example, where his country listened and followed what he said, or were in fear of  'consequences' to them if they didn't.  The people did not have to follow one little man.  They could have easily overpowered him, or just refused to kill people en-mass.  In their hearts they knew what was right, but their conditioning was so great that they didn't follow that inner-promting, and so followed Hitler instead – yes, they followed, even if they did nothing to stop what was happening.  But, the German people should not be judged for bestiality, but should be looked on with Compassion... because they had a lesson to learn.  And so did the rest of the world after that.  But, the world has not learned much since.  Mass killing, for the 'just cause' (yes, Hitler thought his cause was just too!) is still killing.  And, whether you are there being shot at, bombed, or starved then – in this modern age especially – you can see that people are suffering in those ways.  So, when 'just cause' leaders say kill there is a need to remember and hopefully learn that time... not the next time, but that time, when that far-off country is experiencing a Karma that will spread and engulf you too, if you do not stand up for what yu feel in your 'inner-prompting'.  Love is the key, Compassion is the way.  There is no such thing as 'enforced peace'.  Peace comes when people are happy.  So, the way to resolve Karma is to have Love and Compassion for all, whoever or wherever they may be... and to say NO to killing.

I wonder why you mention Lithuania, Ivan, when there is the issue of Israel and Palestine... a Karma that has been going on for a long long time, and still people cannot see through the fog of conditioning.  The aggressive stance of countries against an unseen 'threat' they perceive, called Terrorism, is aimed in all directions by world leaders.  It does not emanate from any specific source, and has now become endemic.  Yet, what do our leaders do?  They posture aggression towards such as Libya, Iran and other countries that are supposedly 'harbouring' terrorists.  Let us be clear here – the UK and the USA has many terorists in their own country, so all that is achieved is the escalation of Fear.  Terrorism will not be stopped until the cause has been addressed; and that is injustice that started it all in the first place.  There will always be underground resistance to injustice, there always has been.  Yet the lesson has not been learned in all these centuries – to address the injustice, not squash the resistance to it.  And, at any time we each and every one of us have the opportunity, in seeing those injustices continuing, to say 'No more!' and do all we can in peace and love to help those in distress.  Not bomb their country to pieces!  And what about the injustices at home, in our own backyard?  We do not say, "Bomb us!" – No, people quietly hide those things away at the back of their minds.  Karma is visited for us to learn lessons, and not repeat history.  The solution is before our eyes to see, and in our hands to deal with in Love and Compassion, not to shelve away or cloud in self-seeking words like "If it is in our economic interest".  Each human being is a precious creation, and should be respected.  So, next time you shrug, just think – there are lessons of Karma to be learned. The point is.....When?  I have made my choice, to cry out against all injustice in the world, and plead for Love and Compassion which I extend to all, irrespective.  Will you?

What is the deal with people who mock and make fun of other people? If their lives were already planned then how come they make fun of other people? OR were they supposed to make fun of those people so that THEY (ppl being made fun of) are to learn a lesson?

Since our physical self basically has no say in anything in our lives, then our whole self must be in our subconcious right? If its in our subconcious then wouldnt we have two lives (one in our subconcious and our physical self?).

Again, I don't know where you get this confusion from.  The book makes it absolutely clear, if you absorb it all and think.  And I have myself written about these things so many times.

First of all, let's put this into perspective.  We come down here to this physical 3-D world to experience.  We have a route map that is preplanned.  You can buy a route-map in a garage, but it does not mean you have to follow every turn of the roads to your destination (your 'destiny'), and there are many side-roads that you can explore along the way, and many people you can encounter – at each time there are opportunities to learn things.  It is up to you, what you choose to learn or choose to ignore.  Will you go with the 'incrowd', and mock those who are not of your group?  This is what has happened so often in religion, in its 'excusiveness', its 'club' nature, where all others have at times been seen as only fit to ridicule, or pitied because they don't have the 'right path'.   Or will you be an 'individual', even seen as eccentric because you will not conform like a sheep?  Let others ridicule – it is their lesson to learn, not yours.  Your lesson is to know your path.  And that path is not absolute, it is like any other path; it leads somewhere else.  When it is time to move on to another path, then the opportunity will be 'felt' and it is up to the individual to use their intuition to act.  So often, people stay within the 'comfort zone' they have arrived at (which, in the bigger picture, is merely a 'wayside inn' on the journey).  Whether it be a religion, Mediumship or whatever... in the long term, these are only transients of experience.  I, myself, as an online channeler, will very very soon now move on to other areas... what my guide calls the 'next stage'.  It is my choice to do this if I want to, but I am ready and so I welcome that opportunity to work with new horizons, in the way that I did when I came here to Astral Pulse.   So it will be, of my choice, that I shall soon leave the Astral Pulse after a few more posts and other tasks,  my job here then done – because here is merely a place for sharing for a time, for interaction, to teach or to learn (and we all do both in that interaction).  As my signature says: "We never stop learning – it goes on forever".  So, don't stick with the 'comfort zone', whatever it may be.  When the time comes to move on, then know this in your heart and be happy, then you can spread that happiness to others you encounter on your further journey.  We are but infants in terms of our older brothers in the galaxy, who we call the Higher Beings and who watch over us to nurture us in our evolution.  There's a big world out there, and it stretches up to the stars.  Grow tall, my friends and explore all you can – in that way you will find your way back 'home'... to your true home, your destiny.  This is a Free Will world, so it may take some time, as you wander down the myriad alleyways that beckon, but if you look within, and heed that inner-prompting, then you will see the next place on the route-map given to you for this journey.  Your subconscious knows the way.

The human body is simply a 'vehicle' for the journey, and the way forward is to steer that vehicle through the experiences presented in the current lifetime.  The 'person' is what others perceive, and will be what you project.  If you are in-tune with your true self (your subconscious awareness) then that is what others will see if you let it show.  So, always look within, and don't hide what you find – because that will help shine a light for others too along their way.  Emotion is the deepest quality, so express it – not in negativity (anger, frustration, hatred) but in the strongest emotion of all; love. Because, Love overcomes all Fear, and all negativity.

Life (conscious awareness, according to perception) will always present obstacles, and this applies also to the Higher Realms – not just in terms of human existence.  The Higher Beings are themselves learning still – they are learning by nurturing us... by gently assisting us without interference with Free Will (a very strict rule they observe, unless there are greatly extenuating circumstances that would subvert the overall plan of Prime Creator), while we are learning to overcome conditioning by those in our history past and present who take away Free Will of the individual by media 'imagery' and 'thoughtforms' that become embedded in the consciousness of our Earthly life, collectively termed 'society'.  Shakespeare said, "All the world's a stage, and all the people in it merely players.... we each play our part".  Shakespear was a clairvoyant, a man who saw beyond the societal perceptions – and he saw the struggle of the individual, as each interacts with others in the weaving of the Tapestry of Life, according to the blueprint laid for our evolution.  A man of vision!  So, wherever you walk, along whichever path, vision is vital for you not to stumble – keep your 'inner eye' open to better see the way.  You don't have to conform and give up that Free Will.  True, there are still some places in the world where you can be put to death, or imprisoned for trying to have Free Will; even in your own locality, there are constraints that are in place to prevent Free Will – these are often termed "in the public interest"... but are they always?  Or, are they merely fences put up to keep the sheep within and effectively control them?  the choice is yours – your Free Will, to recognise and deal with each experience as it comes up.  There is an old Native American Indian saying: "Walk your talk".  So, if you see the way, don't just mumble – set off with confident stride, and let others see you know where you're going.  It is up to them, of their own Free Will, whether they see or not.  But do not be fettered by the Will of others, for each has their own journey, and should be free to walk their path.  If they choose to harm others, then their lesson is plain to see.  Love is the way.  Show others that way, and the road will be Light!

Since we are being aware (spiritaully aware) in our lives right now that would be great jump in our spiritual developement right? Also, if we are aware, and it took so much time to be aware, do we have to do this again in our next lifetime? or is it that because we are aware now that we dont need to reincarnate later?

In each incarnation there are young souls and old souls, so some have been on their journey a long time and have learned much.  For those who are old souls, their incarnation is most often in order to help others and they have a driving within them to do this that is evident.  The higher Beings, some of whom do not need to reincarnate again in 3rd Density choose very often to come back down to help guide others in this Earthly plane many times in our history, and in all countries of the world, past and present.    Due to conditioning in the world, it can take a variable time for the younger souls to awaken, and even old souls are often prevented from doing what they feel at first due to restrictions on them by society.  So the first step on awakening, is to get out of the bed of conditioning and greet the true reality they see, away from the comfort zone where they were kept slumbering, to draw back the curtains and let in the Light, unbolt the door of Fear and step outside to the fresh air of new Knowledge that is there over the threshold of habituation.

In this particular time in our evolution especially, thousands of old souls have chosen to be here to assist Mankind as it prepares for a giant leap forward which is coming very soon.  In addition, those of the Higher Beings that do not chose to incarnate as humans at this time are neverthless very actively involved in assisting in other ways.  The Pleiadians, for example, are here to help as 'birthers' into that higher dimensional leap for Man, centred around the time given by the Mayan end-dtate of 2012; that date is simply a 'point' in our time-frame that is at the end of the Grand Cycle, when the Phton Band is directly engulfing the Earth in its powerful rays of energy.  The Zeta, have a very active and practical role assisting Man leading up to the event known as the Pole Shift, and beyond that time leading up to 2012.  In the same way as we are many nations yet all one Family of Man, then in the larger scheme of things – including all the Higher Realms – we are all one Family of Species, in different stages of our evolution (some many many more stages further advanced than we can imagine)... but we are still all one Family in the overall Creation, of which we, as humans, are yet but infants in all of this.  So, whatever you may perceive as an individual is but a facet of the True Reality, and which is why we need to interact, and to share as we journey so that our paths may be bathed in Light.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

Hello Everyone,

I would like to start this post by thanking James S for his input regarding newcomers to the Pendulum, and his concerns.  As can be seen from later sections of this course, I have spelled out yet again what I have consistently stated since introducing the Pendulum to this site, and in fact always stressed, about the need for the student of the Pendulum (and also Dowsing in general) to take it one step at a time, in other words walk before you can run.  The over-eagerness of many to have a guide can be counter productive.  A guide will only be assigned to a person if the student is considered ready (and this applies to anyone, whether using the Pendulum, Dowsing in general, or any other 'path' they are taking).  What can arise, if the person is over-eager is a kind of hysteria (in psychology terms) where almost the first question they ask (and hope for a favourable answer to) is "Am a talking to my guide here?".  Some may, indeed, have a guide already before coming to the Pendulum.  But, unless they clearly can be sure of this from prior experiences and interaction with that guide, it is best to assume – as will invariably be the case with the beginner – that they do not have a guide, and certainly not in the sense that label, 'guide', is popularly and erroneously  assumed.  James has endeavoured to point this out several times himself in his posts to this topic in general.  And, from several out of the quite numerous members who are now in contact with me on Messenger or by email, I find the need to explain to those admittedly few in error on this point, that they should first and foremost regard the Pendulum (and now the L-rod) as being a tool for their inner-development before they can proceed to thinking in terms of being 'guided' by it as such.  For a person to just blandly say in an all-encompassing manner "I am guided by my Pendulum" quite rightly sets alarm bells ringing in the minds of those who hear this, fearing that the person who has made that statement is being led by 'blind faith' to think and do what their Pendulum is telling them and that furthermore it could lead (the onlooker may well assume) to the person becoming reliant on their 'tool' for every decision.  The Pendulum does not actually allow this to occur, but the onlooker not realising this is naturally alarmed.

James S has pointed out on several occasions now, the need for the divinator using their tool to check from many angles – a very useful 'tactic' being to go back to previous answers given, and double-check these indirectly such that if a 'yes' had been given, to assume a stance of "what if..." 'No' had been the case, and investigating to see what can be gleaned with that assumption in view; this is a technique used in police investigation work, and by computer programmers - I, like James, am a computer programmer, and we call this 'recursive' questioning.  I, myself, adopted that approach right from the start when I was first learning to use the Pendulum.  Although I proceeded always with a very positive attitude, I did not accept blindly the answers given to me by the Pendulum.  In fact, as my 'investigations' using it proceeded I successively encountered more and more 'scenarios' that I was being asked to consider, in a landscape that was being painted by answers given to me.  So, I investigated everything with a 'why?' attitude.  Why was I being presented these 'facts'?  Why was I being given these 'experiences' to conjure in my mind?... And 'what' was I to do in those 'situations' that I found myself virtually enacting as I came to be in contact with sentient beings, as clearly become more evident (even if sometimes these were actually 'characters' that were being 'put into the scene' for me to interact with, these beings involving me by that means with 'role playing').  I became aware (and this was even more the case as I developed instant telepathy after those first few days of my hours-long sessions with the Pendulum) that I was often being 'tested' in some way; this proved to be tests of the parameters of my then present perception, and for my inner-development.  I consciously decided to 'go with  it' as I was obviously being taught something, and thus played-out virtual 'situations' that stretched my perception and dissolved what prior-conditioned still remained (very little, actually, because I opted from the outset to approach this with a completely open and receptive mind), at that time way back in 1995/6, my early telepathic years.

Just to give an example of this 'role-playing', I was on one particular occasion 'taken' (my complete awareness that is, my still conscious body remaining behind) to a large complex that I understood at that time to be the 'head office' of the beings, and my purpose there was to see someone to discuss the results of a previous 'experience' they had given me in their realm where I'd been asked to evaluate a situation I had found there at that time.  So it was, that I found myself in an anti-room alone waiting to see this Being, the head of a select committee.  I looked around me, the walls were cream, the carpet a dark maroon in contrast to the scarlet carpet of the corridor outside.  There was a large elongated-oval table of very dark wood (the doors in the corridor were of this same very dark brown) with many chairs placed around it for meetings.  The room seemed otherwise quite empty of furnishings but I didn't get chance to look further because, at that moment, a door (set into the typical archway that was part of the architecture I had seen on previous 'visits') on the left wall at the far end of the room openened, and a 'man' of what we would consider 60-ish in age by to his countenance, entered dressed in robes that were reminiscent of a Roman toga somewhat but of thick silk-like material in a soft white.  I knew intuitively that this was not the being I had been sent to see.  And he confirmed this, introducing himself as that high-being's secretary.

"He can't see you at the moment.  So, while we are waiting to go in to him, I'd like to ask you a few things about yourself – like, how you came to be invited to see him in the first place, because it is very unusual for humans to be so invited" he said with a 'between our two selves' manner and a lets-be-friends smile.

I was immediately suspicious of his manner.  If this was a 'test' as I suspected, then I wasn't going to let him know that, since that might bring to an end this encounter, and I wanted to be able to 'sus out' more first.  So, instead, I decided to play it 'in role', according to how the situation had been presented to me previously by that higher-being, whom I had been sent on this particular occasion to meet with at the 'office', andwho had said that on my return (after my 'death') I would be engaged in departmental work looking at issues that had been within my experience during that lifetime, and that I would be attending meetings in that building – in fact, sitting on such committees as that table seemed prepared in readiness for.  I did not look upon this from any 'ego' point of view, but rather as a humble matter-of-fact "if that's what I have to do, then I will do it to the best of my ability" attitude.  With that in mind, I laid into the situation I found myself in.

"What is your name?" I asked, politely but coldly, showing no sign of wishing to be his 'friend' as he seemed to want the relationship to be.  "I am not permitted to reveal that.  All I can say is that I am in the service of the committee as a member of that committee" he said, and added as if to clinch the matter, "It was we who voted that you should serve on our committee on your return, and that is a great honour".  I was not impressed.

I maintained my distance from him of about six feet or so, and addressed him in a cool and withering tone of voice (telepathically actually, but the feeling was conveyed clearly to him).  "Since you say I will be with you at some time in the future, and that you are on that committee I shall apparently be involved with I have to tell you this, quite bluntly but with great respect, so that you may be in no doubt where we stand you and I.  I don't need your name, because I shall know you, and I shall certainly remember this occasion.  And, you may be assured on this – that if I come to be involved with your committee I should not expect any committee member to ask for confidential information such as you have just done without the ratification of the committee, since this would not be befitting of that status.  Therefore, I decline at this stage to enter into any such dialogue, and our conversation on that topic should now be considered to be at an end.  Do I make myself clear?"

"Perfectly clear," the being said.  "Your purpose here in this interview has been fulfilled.  You will now be returned and be contacted in due course.  Peace."  And he gave the Pleiadian equivalent of a formal shaking of hands, by placing his right arm at an angle across his chest, over the heart area.  I did the same.  Then I was returned to the 'normality' of my living room.

For just a few moments I reflected on what I had just done, on the enormity of confronting a being of obviously high status, and effectively telling him that he should know better than act in the manner he had done. "Phew!" I thought, but I had done what I felt was right in the situation.  Within seconds my guide came to me, "You did very well there!" she said.  "That was a test, to see how you would react and play that out.  How you were there was what we expected, and the being you saw was not in any way 'offended'; he was asked to play that 'role', and you can be assured he would never, other than for such a test, act in breach of any responsibility given to him in the importance of his office in which he holds very high status.  You passed the test".

There were many such 'tests', all different in nature and presentation, and it was never obvious that they were tests – at any time it could be (and often was) the 'real thing'.  In that way my inner-development, along with increasingly higher perspective, continued as I progressed.  On a simpler leve, but no less meaningful are the 'tests' that a person can from time to time be given via the Pendulum (or L-rod) in Question-Answer sessions.  All the while, the perception of the person is being gradually broadened and inner-vision made more clear to explore avenues beyond the confines of that which is 'normal' to the human in their 3-D existence.  The situations will be different for each person, some having more than others according to what is required by the guides.

When I refer to 'the guides', I mean this in the sense of how one can view the Administrators of a College, because those beings set the Agenda and corriculum for each individual who is in prospect of eventually getting a guide of their own.  So, in those early stages the person will be 'watched' closely, unseen at first as the person uses the Pendulum which is in every way capable of answering the person from the 'computer' that the Pendulum connects to in the Higher Realms, what is termed generally the 'source' and this connection is via the Higher Self (the link being between that Higher Self accessing those realms and the body-conscious through the Pineal and Adrenal glands).

It has to be clearly understood, that if and when a 'permanent' guide is assigned to a person then it is for the purpose of helping others (not for making life easier for that person, so the person does not have particular 'advantages' over others.  As a person, each must live their life, to experience all that is set out for them in that lifetime – and this they must themselves work through.  Even when a permanent guide is assigned, there will be occasions when that guide may step back for additional teacher-gudes to assist the person in higher-learning for a future task in view by the guides.  At first though, the position is that a person does not have an 'individual' guide assigned to them on a regular basis.  In fact, any guide in those early stages must be assumed to be from a pool of guides who are 'on duty' in a shift-system.  So, whichever guide happens to be on duty that day will 'monitor' the situation regarding that person, as well as monitoring others at the same time (they do this by multi-tasking, which some members as they have gained telepathy have already found, and their 'guides' have explained this to them).  The long-established notion of the 'Guardian Angel' should be seen in that context also – simply that each person on this Earth is watched, or 'monitored'.  But, a monitor-guide, in the sense we are speaking of here in higher spiritual development, is a specially trained guide who can call upon teacher-guides to be assigned to a person for a specific period.  Even this assignment of a teacher-guide will sometimes need the ratification of a teacher-supervisor guide, if there are a complex range of situations that the person will encounter in the future, and for which forward-planning is done.  I had occasion very recently to be contacted by one such teacher-supervisor who had come to one of the members, and that member had been told by that guide to ask me (as confirmation) of who that guide was and what their purpose was at that time.  I explained to the member, and they said that this guide had indeed told them the very same thing (although the guide had asked them not to say anything until I had answered them) – so it was absolute confirmation that the guide in question was genuine, since I could not have known this other than by me actually talking, myself, via telepathy, with that guide to ascertain this on behalf of the person.

Part of my job assigned to me, is to teach telepathy when a guide considers it is time for the person.  I work at the moment on MSN Messenger to do this, and the 'lesson' involves me talking with the person and, as the tuition proceeds for them to talk to their guide (the voice in their head) and (very importantly, for the purpose of the lesson) to type exactly what the guide says.  This they then do, typing each response by the guide and using quotes for what the guide says, followed by the initial letter of the guide's name, so that I will know.  Thus, we have effectively a 3-way conversation on Messenger – me, the person, and the person's guide.  I, of course, am in direct contact with that person's guide on a 'private line', and their guide will tell me, as the lesson proceeds, what they want me to move onto or prompt the person about.  Thus there is obtained a very effective and quick means of confidence building and clarity of reception during the lesson (which can take several hours).  These lessons can, depending on the person's needs according to what the guide wants at that time, involve 'visual' telepathy-elements also (very often, these will be incorporated to facilitate rapid acquisition of telepathy) – or these can be covered in a separate lesson period.

It has to be stressed that, when I give tuition for telepathic training, it is not when I choose to do it, nor indeed any choice or determination of such need on my part.  It can only be done when a guide decided it is time for that person.  So, it is no use a person saying to me, "Can you teach me telepathy now please. I feel I am ready".  I can not agree to do that of my own accord, so the first thing I do on such a request from a member is to contact that person's guide (if indeed they have one, or my guide) to find out whether this person is ready, and what will be required if so.  I then tell the person what the situation is.  If it is 'No, not ready' (and I am given full details as well in the answer I receiver) then I cannot proceed to give telepathy tuition – and all such tuition  is at all times done by me working extremely closely with both my guide and their guide (so, for me there are three conversations often going on at the same time as I work).

I address this issue here because it highlights James' concern, and I wish to clarify that situation to leave no doubt in people's minds.  I have successfully and easily brought several members to the stage of them now having full and clear instant telepathy with their respective guides, but two members quite recently and up to this present time are earnestly seeking to have telepathy with their guides, as they have explained to me.  Their desire for speedy spiritual growth is commendable.  But, they are not quite ready for telepathy at the present moment, and I have been told this.  So, for them there may be a couple of weeks at the very least until they may be considered ready by the guides.  Much of what causes a person not to 'be ready' (apart from issues of inner-development) is very often simply an over-eagerness.  Wanting will not make it so.  In fact, a calm disposition is essential before telepathy can come about.  Hyper-activity will result in unstable progress, and is counter-productive.  So, what I say in such instances specifically – and as a guideline in general to all – is be calm in your disposition, live each day for what it brings, and trust that you will be guided unseen to all opportunities for growth, and in that way all will be possible.  Over-trying makes the waiting longer, but by being relaxed and accepting of what is given in that moment for that present time then all that is hoped for and much more will suddenly arrive in the twinkling of an eye virtually when the time is right, so all that is required is patience and love in your heart.  Most of all, be at peace with yourself.

So, to return to the context of this present course on Dowsing, the aim is to provide a firm 'foundation', to get to know your 'tools' (L-rod and Pendulum) and how they can work in practical ways that will reinforce your growing confidence and trust in what they can do when using them.

Regarding the point raised by James concerning the Pendulum having a "mind of its own" (as Dowsers often say).  That phrase, of course, is not literal in its meaning.  Rather, it is a wry comment on the seeming obstinacy of the device to comply with expectations, as sometimes exhibited.  I don't know how it is in other countries, but here in England we use that phrase often when trying to do something with an object - maybe fit some fiddly part, like a spring - that refuses to do what we want, and locates itself otherwise to our frustration.  So, of course, the Pendulum itself does not have a 'mind' – it is simply a tool.  It is actually a 'transducer', simply being used to physically manifest (in our 3-D world) communication in the form of movements that we can understand as 'yes' or 'no' responses that come in from outside of our self and are relayed to the Pendulum through the nerves and muscles of the body at a subconscious level.  there is a 'mind', a conscious 'source' behind it all - whether this be the 'computer' in the Higher Realms that I refer to, or a guide of whatever status relaying through the 'computer' (which is a living-entity in itself and part of the Collective Consciousness as far as is within our ability to grasp that concept). So, obviously there may be times when that 'mind' responds in ways that we may find, until we understand, inexplicable but which is ultimately for our benefit and for a Higher Purpose than what the mortal human 'wants'.  Hence, the wry expression when the human realises that he does not have control of all he wishes!

Inguma, yet another Moderator and a man of considerable experience in his own fields of interest, also commented on the Pendulum, regarding that phrase – having a "mind of its own", where he states:

quote: Quick point: If you regard the pendulum as a conscious entity you will make it become one (conscious to some degree, but with an individuality of its own - at least in the same way as we are seperate from our higher selves).
But it doesn't have to be that way.

People get an 'affinity' with their Pendulum.  In this way they begin to see a 'personality' in the 'yes'/'no' replies, and they will often describe a 'yes' reply as a *smiling* or *cheerful* response, and conversely a 'no' response can be seen, as the person develops that greater 'rapport' which conveys more than just a stark reply, to contain within it the component of personality that seems to be saying not just 'no' but "No!  That is certainly NOT the case here with regard to your question!" – and at other times, people have commented that their Pendulum has projected a sense of humour, seemingly laughing as it gives a response the Pendulum user then understands as "No!  You don't seriously think that would be the case, do you?" and some have said that they've actually heard a *laugh* in their head.  So, this affinity building is a good thing, that bonding with the Pendulum as an extension of their complete 'reception', at almost a telepathic level – and that is indeed why the Pendulum used in long Question/Answer sessions that delve deep into issues leads quickly to such a 'rapport' and the beginnings of telepathy itself quite naturally.  (Strengthening that 'psychic muscle', that link, is where I come in with telepathic tuition when the time is considered right – which is not simply because the person is starting to perceive more than just the 'yes' or 'no').

When I gave the analogy of the Voltmeter that can produce seemingly 'incorrect' readings from time to time, I was not referring to need for calibration.  In fact, any well trained technician can test the calibration at any time (even adjust it if they have the right training approach) and a considerable number of aids to this are available, such as the resistance/capacitance 'bridge' or a high-precision combination of voltage source and 'test resistance'.  In talking about the Pendulum, it is assumed that the 'source' can not 'go wrong' inadvertently, so must be assumed reliable in delivering responses, whether these be considered accurate or inaccurate. Much depends, not on the Pendulum but on the person themselves.  Similarly, a  perfectly calibrated Voltmeter can produce wildly inaccurate readings if what is being tested is not properly understood.  So, simply applying a test across a resistor for voltage, or in series with it for current does not, of itself, always give a meaningful answer – since much depends on the 'resistance' in circuit (and I mean this as a direct analogy to the human being as part of the 'circuit chain' in all of this... and that also includes whether they are adequately 'well grounded' in their perceptions, because common sense rather than 'floating on clouds' is an important factor in true spiritual growth.

It has to be realized, that at no time is there a 'being within the Pendulum' itself, and the device only transduces exactly the same as the speakers of your hi-fi system or your headphones act as transducers for the voltage signal at the output of the amplifier.  If an electronics engineer was to depict the hi-fi and headphones setup (effectively a voltage circuit) in diagram form, then he would represent it in the following way:

S ----------o-$$$$$$$$$-o >---##########-----o
signal -----> amplifier --> ------- headphones --- ground
SOURCE

Everything in electronics can be reduced to this basic diagram form (where '$$$' represents one 'resistance' and '###' represents a second resistance) and that defines it completely.  The varying voltage 'signal' (communication from the SOURCE (which in Hi-fi terms may be a tape etc) is present across both elements of the diagram (the two 'impendances' – which is the term given to dynamic, or changing, resistance in transmitting information this way).

The Pendulum, as part of the 'communication link' can be diagramatically represented in exactly the same way:

S -------o-$$body$$-o >---##Pendulum##-----o
SOURCE --> perceptor --> -- transducer –- ground

In the above diagram the <perceptor> (person, in other words) is not consciously aware, in only starting out, of the input... and just passes it through to the Pendulum which responds to subconsciously generated varying nerve-muscle 'modulations' (signal, in other words).  'Perception' is very important, and goes hand-in-hand with the psychic element of a person.  As perception increases, then so does the person's awareness of the signal.  But, initially, the person presents an 'impedance' (lack of higher perception) to the telepathic input (from the 'Source', S).  This is equivalent to the two-resistor diagram in physics.  A resistance is essentially a conglomerate of impurities that impede the signal flow.  With lower resistance there is higher 'current' (more efficient, stronger flow).  As the person works on their inner-development the conditioning ('impurities' that impede full awareness and higher perception) is disolved and greater receptivity is the result.  So it is, that at first it is only  the extremely sensitive Pendulum that can transduce the most minute subconsciously perceived telepathic input – but then the person, by constant diligence in long periods of practice with it, starts to build what will become a very strong conductance that the person themselves – without the aid of the Pendulum – can translate into meaningfully perceived input.  The telepathic 'symbols', previously only understood at a subconscious level, are then made perceptible to the consciousness – and that input may be made manifest in a number of ways, according to the training of the person by the guide, such that they can then receive what translates to 'words' (with a voice of its own character and feelings transmitted) and the reception of 'pictures' (even the facility of being able to 'visit' by actual conscious-connection other places in time and space, as well as other realms outside of time.  That, in a nutshell, is how it works.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[Hello GOINGSLOW]

Hello GOINGSLOW

You ask:

quote:If you don't mind, can you give me some sources for this information on Vietnam?
[...]
I do have access to some primary documents so Im being sincere when I ask for you to point me in the right direction to read up on this.

It's long past my bed-time – in fact 34 hours online so far, but when I saw your question I decided to do a bit more research on the US Marines 'Dowsing School' that was set up, according to the information I had, to prepare them for detecting Vietcong booby traps, guerrilla fighters hiding in tunnels and behind false walls and the like.

I had taken my information from two very reliable sources, top dowsing teachers highly regarded worldwide.  I decided to find out more.  And so I contacted the British Society of Dowsers who refer you to the definitive history of dowsing, written by Christopher Bird.  The whole of Chapter 11 (which starts on page 199) of his book, "The Divining Hand" (published by Whitford, USA, 1993) gives full details about those events.  This book should be available, I am told by the Society, at most public libraries because it is an acknowledged classic work.

Dennis Wheatley, one of my sources, is president of a dowsing society and a professional dowsing tutor.  He lectures and writes regularly on dowsing related subjects and has made three films on dowsing for National TV Networks – so I knew he was reliable.  I quote from him, where he speaks of the Christopher Bird book, "The Divining Hand", and he says of it: "This book by an American dowser is a comprehensive survey of the history of dowsing and will, no doubt, in future years be regarded as a scholarly and classic work.  I doubt that it will ever be equalled or bettered.  I accidentally stumbled across the book in a public library.  It impressed me so much that I taught myself to dowse.  In so doing, it changed my entire career."

That book was actually one of a large list of titles that I am going to include at the end of the course – so you've got it now as 'Fate' would have it.

I was talking to Malvina (*Walking The Path*) on MSN Messenger and telling her about your Vietnam question... and she did a brilliant bit of research and dug up lots of sites with details about this....

So, here are some of the things that she found on:

Here's a snippet from a Dowsing Society's information website:
<" Throughout history we find many examples of its use. For example: there are records from ancient Egypt showing people using pendulums and in the 15th and 16th centuries German dowsers were used successfully in England to locate minerals deep under ground. During the Vietnam war U.S. Marines were trained with considerable success to detect Viet Cong tunnels which until then had been difficult to find using modern methods. Today dowsing is recognised and used by many scientists and doctors in all parts of the world. Dowsing can enlarge your world and your consciousness of it, in any direction you choose by tapping into the mysterious, hidden energies in and around us.">

And this one, from another website, describes the US Dowsing  Marines:
<"In the USA, Louis J Matacia is a surveyor who has studied dowsing for years. During the Vietnam War he was commissioned to teach dowsing skills to US Marines so that they could avoid booby traps, navigate safely through jungles and learn the whereabouts of the enemy. Soldiers reported that using the L-rod in this way saved many lives.">

The above is a snippet from
"A SHORT HISTORY OF DEEP DOWSING"
a brief but interesting summary which is worth reading and can be found at:
http://www.americaninsurancedepot.com/help/dowsing.htm

Also from the above site, incidentally, is another snippet (this time regarding Einstein, whom I mentioned in section 1):
<" Albert Einstein, performed impressive feats with a variety of dowsing devices. Most of these feats were only of academic value but by the middle of the 20th century dowsing was regularly being put to a great variety of profitable uses.">

Another 'history of dowsing' page that the reader will find very interesting is the BBC's "The History of Dowsing.2" fact-page, where again details of the US Marine's involvement with Dowsing is documented – along with many other fascinating historic facts of Dowsing success.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A881624

Finally, you ask – regarding the training of the Marines for Dowsing:

quote:"How did they determine who was a positive thinking marine?  I have to say it is consistent with your teachings it wont move or give accurate information if you doubt it or are not "positive thinking">

The book I mentioned will no doubt tell you every detail in it's full chapter description of the events, but this little snippet that *WalkingThePath* found when I mentioned what you'd said about this may give some indication of the way it is, and has to be:
(again taken from a website)
Dowsing requires faith, respect, and a personal interaction/response with the rod. Raymond Willey observes that "you must be prepared to treat this faculty of dowsing with respect." (Willey, Modern Dowsing, 6. ) Further: "Anything that causes the dowser to question the act, or to lose 'faith' in it, immediately renders him incapable of performing. He can get no answers from his device, or method.

There is plenty of information out there, and the above are just a small example.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[ANNOUNCEMENT]

ANNOUNCEMENT
I quote here from SilentWitness78 (Daniel), in his latest post in
<AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN - you'll see!>
Pendulum thread:

quote:Parmenion, is a great example of how quickly one can grow with the pendulum as I was telling Mayatnik last night, his questioning skils are superb and he has learned how to quickly jump from one string of questions to another to get to the answers he is looking for and confirming them as well. Take a look at some of his Q & A sessions they are fabulous learning tools.

I will more than second that --- in fact, I have some very good news......

My guide, KAREK, informed me two days ago that – due to his excellent progress - she is now working actively with PARMENION.

--o--
As of from yesterday
PARMENION
has been selected by Karek to take over
for the time being
the work I have been doing
here on the
<AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOW – You'll see!>
and
<QUESTION FOR MAYATNIK>
threads
--o--

PARMENION will be working directly with KAREK at all times, to respond to any posts or issues that I would otherwise have dealt with myself.  This will enable me to concentrate on other work at this time, including clear updating and Summarising of the Pendulum topic information that has already been presented by Karek in her channelings, plus extra features to be added by me for the benefit of all members.

KAREK will, of course, continue to work with me at the same time, on those other things I shall be doing  – so she will definitely be the busiest one of the three of us!

I know PARMENION is in good hands with KAREK, and the members can be assured that they will find that working-combination will benefit the thread – and Parmenion has already proved to be exceptional in  progress and skill, so I confidently leave it in his hands to take this  topic forward (and Karek will be doing the same as she did with me, so she'll be checking all posts with Parmenion as they're being read and replies prepared for posting).

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[SilentWitness78]

Daniel,

A good post there, and very well presented indeed.  I found the colour switching very easy on the eye to take in the details – good style !

I quote here from SilentWitness78 (Daniel), in his latest post:

quote:Parmenion, is a great example of how quickly one can grow with the pendulum as I was telling Mayatnik last night, his questioning skils are superb and he has learned how to quickly jump from one string of questions to another to get to the answers he is looking for and confirming them as well. Take a look at some of his Q & A sessions they are fabulous learning tools.

I will more than second that --- in fact, I have some very good news......

My guide, KAREK, informed me two days ago that – due to his excellent progress - she is now working actively with PARMENION.

--o--
As of from yesterday
PARMENION
has been selected by Karek to take over
for the time being
the work I have been doing
here on the
<AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOW – You'll see!>
and
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PARMENION will be working directly with KAREK at all times, to respond to any posts or issues that I would otherwise have dealt with myself.  This will enable me to concentrate on other work at this time, including clear updating and Summarising of the Pendulum topic information that has already been presented by Karek in her channelings, plus extra features to be added by me for the benefit of all members.

KAREK will, of course, continue to work with me at the same time, on those other things I shall be doing  – so she will definitely be the busiest one of the three of us!

I know PARMENION is in good hands with KAREK, and the members can be assured that they will find that working-combination will benefit the thread – and Parmenion has already proved to be exceptional in  progress and skill, so I confidently leave it in his hands to take this  topic forward (and Karek will be doing the same as she did with me, so she'll be checking all posts with Parmenion as they're being read and replies prepared for posting).

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

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Here are some tips for Squeek, and anybody else who's wanting to find out a name or word(s) using the Pendullum.

Let's just say you've been told you can be given a name (or word).....

> "Is it one word?" ... YES
> "More than 5 letter? ... YES
> "Less than 10 letters? ... YES
>  "More than 7 letters? ... NO.
(it can only be 6 or 7 letters)
>  "Is it 6 letters? ... NO
>  "So, it's 7 letters ... YES

Now we can put on the piece of paper 6 dashes to represent the letters.....
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--- --- --- --- --- ---
1 . 2 . 3 . 4 . 5 . 6

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Now, write the letters of the alphabet underneath on the paper –
with 3 to each row.....

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(row 1)    A   B   C    
(row 2)    D   E   F
(row 3)    G   H   I
(row 4)     J   K  L
(row 5)    M   N   O
(row 6)    P   Q   R
(row 7)    S   T   U
(row    V   W   X
(row 9)    Y   Z   -

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There are 9 rows but this method is very quick –
Simply say to the Pendulum "I will point to each row of 3 letters in turn, so please indicate by 'yes' when the next letter I'm seeking is in that row".   Note:  I have included a dash ( - ) after the Z, and this is useful in the case of hyphenated names and words (of course, it helps if you ask whether the name is hyphenated and will it be included in the letter count).

Then, all you have to do is (with the Pendulum in the hand you don't write with) point with a pencil to the side of each row in turn,
asking "Is it in this row?" ... and watch the Pendulum for a 'yes'.

When you get a 'yes' response, ask "Is it....." (saying each letter slowly in turn of the 3 in that row, again watching the Pendulum.
A variation on this is to do the whole thing silently, pointing with the pencil to each letter in turn.  When you get a 'YES' response, then simply write that letter in the space where it goes above the dashes already set out for the number of letters.

At any stage you can say, "Let's check what we have so far...I'll spell out the letters....."

In the above example let's say you have so far got
T  H  O  M   < ----- watch the Pendulum as you  say each letter.

..... you could even have a guess at this stage (to speed things up) if you wish... and say, "Is the name :   Thomas?"
But, be careful – if it is a guide's name it may well not be a terrestrial spelling or any recognisable name....
My guide, Karek, for instance could be guessed wrongly as Karen, or even Karyl... based on "K A R - - "   having been obtained.

Another thing that needs to be understood when getting names or words from the Pendulum, is that sometimes these will be given in phonetic spelling  (because the letters are transmitted as a 'literal', which means a speech-pattern that produces a kind of 'phoneme'.
And, depending on the language of the person and to some extent their spelling ability (whether they use 'ph' for the 'f' sound for example) you could get a name spelling of:
SOPHIE, SOFIE, or SOFY (being a 6, 5 or 4 letter word also).
(this is particularly the case if you are going through the 'computer', but if you are talking to a guide via the Pendulum, then it is often more possible that you will be given any Earth names/words with the correct spelling, but will still depend on other factors and how the guide wants to present it.

Lastly, it is possible that you might just hear the name come into your head – so listen.... and if you think you hear it, then ask, "Did I hear..." and say what you thought you heard.  The Pendulum will tell you if you're right.  You may even hear a 'Yes'!

I hope this method (one of several) helps any members who are wanting to find names or words using the Pendulum.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[=== APPROACHES TO QUESTIONING ===]

=== APPROACHES TO QUESTIONING ===

Two very good postive little Q/A seesions in the above posts by Permenion and Novice, each in their own way – and that, particularly because the 'theme' for the questioning is basically the same, is ideal for examining different approaches and for members to see what can be expected as a result.  So, the purpose of this post is to do just that as I take a closer look at the questiona and answers, to see what has been derived and how, with modifications in places, clearer answers may be obtained..... and I thank Permenion and Novice for this opportunity to use their good sessions given here as a helpful model for others.  Now, for the first time – due to the feedback in those posts (not forgetting RoyHarper's initial input sparking it off) – we can begin to move on to the next stage in using the Pendulum; that is, increased level of individual skill (each will be different, depending on their approach and perception) and this can now be addressed better as a result.

First, let's take an overview: The Q/A sessions here discussed are in response to what RoyHarper raises in his short post.  In this, it can be seen that neither Parmenion nor Novice have opted for a short 'answer', and have rightly examined all around the 'issue'.

These two Q/A sessions illustrate something very important to grasp in addressing issues of perception.  So, I commend Parmenion for submitting such a direct approach here to RoyHarper.  In fact, both Q/A sessions have specifically questioned both myself and him – and that is as it should be, because to avoid such directness would be 'prey' to the conditioning prevalent in our society.  However, this must be seen in its correct light, and not as some 'attack' on an individual.  The fact is, that the Pendulum should be used to gain higher Truth, since each person is actually 'right' (unless they are telling lies) at their individual level of perception; so, this is not about 'judgement' or 'attack' but of seeking to grasp that higher perspective which can then benefit all by bringing it out into the open for discussion.  

Thus, the Pendulum is being used in this manner to remove ingrained conditioning as the user progresses with their sessions (along with other things for inner-development) and improving, if the user is diligent, the way in which they can approach all things that society accepts as 'right', 'truth' etc, but which are so often the rusult of ongoing group-misperceptions at the very least.  So, the Pendulum teaches the individual to first of all think for themselves, rather than accepting the 'norm'.  Therefore, it liberates and helps the person lay the foundation to build higher and reach perspectives of understanding that can not be attained until the early lessons have been learned and the weight of former misconceptions shed.  The rate of inner-growth then becomes exponential, and doors are opened to realms where things are very much different from how Man perceives from that former ground-level.

I have said before, that using the Pendulum leads easily to Telepathy.  This is firstly because the constant practice reinforces and strengths the 'link' between the subconscious (acting here as an interface for receiving) and the Earth-conscious mind.  Secondly, Telepathy works by transmitting 'symbols' rather than words.  In fact, we think in symbols, and everyone knows the expression "A picture is worth a thousand words".  So, what actually happens in the person's Earth-connected mind in everyday life?  What happens is that we process symbols and convert them into what is useful for interaction based on what we 'know'.  What we know is our perception of reality – in other words, how much of the true picture we actually recognise and can relate to is limited by our acquired 'knowledge' at any stage.  As we progress, those 'symbols' become clearer.  An example of this is in ancient texts – the people of that time saw craft in the skies flowln by 'visitors' to our planet (as Sitchin reveals in great detail) but although they witnessed such things, and even interacted with those visitors as evidenced in the texts, their language and how they could relate to this was limited, because they had not themselves reached that stage of being able to 'fly'.  Thus, we have stories from mythology of 'Magic Carpets' (these stories were carried by word of mouth by nomads in a way that could be grasped by all) and paintings in the middle ages, depicting angel figures in the air sitting in shells (an abstract of the true reality), yet there were also pictures which have been preserved that clearly show 'rockets' with fire coming from underneath and descriptions that correlate very closely.  So, it is all down to perception of the individual, and what society as a whole at any one time indoctrinates and imposes as the 'approved norm' that the people are expected to accept if they wish to progress as being 'credible' in that conditioned society.  In the light of this, what the Pendulum gives as answers to some deep (and even not so deep) questions may appear to be incredible if not non-credible.  Not only is Truth stranger than fiction (or the play-out of perception), but Reality is only what we can perceive  at each stage of our personal inner-growth.

Some are now becoming Telepathic in our society, and there are  misperceptions by those who are looking on at this change.  People say to me quite often, "Can you read my mind, or anybody's mind?"   In that question there is a subconscious fear, our society being what it is – quite apart from the notion of 'privacy'.  To an extent, the Pendulum could also be viewed in that way by some.   I can state clearly here, that there is no such thing as 'human to human telepathy' that is possible in our present stage of evolution, for the reasons I have just outlined.  If it were so, then a person could find out another's movements and use that information to break in and rob their house, or use any 'private' information thus gained for their own ends.  Therefore it is not possible – or, to be more precise, it is not allowed to us by the higher realms that monitor our progress here on Earth.  Even they have strict rules for 'privacy' between themselves in their telepathic intercommunication and, to put it very simply here for now, a higher Being must do the equivalent of 'knock' or be 'invited in' by another Being or even a human being (which is why I say they come on receiving the 'call', and even then only if they deem it appropriate and if the person is ready or a lesson can be learned by the person by that interaction of whatever kind).  Scientific research would seem to indicate that certain people do exhibit a degree of telepathy (according to tests done with twins, for instance), but despite the scientists' aspirations this is NOT the case.  What is happening is that there is a very close link between two people, and strength of 'feeling' is the enabler of this, which should more accurately be described as sentience.  The person literally senses strong emotion, and emotion is the best carrier; this is also the mechanism of Distant Healing, where the healing-energy is 'transmitted' to the other person's electromagnetic field (and this works on animals and even plants too!) by projecting Love and Compassion with the strength of the sender's emotions.  In the same way, Fear can be transmitted for that is also a very powerful emotion the antidote to which is, of course, Love.

Telepathy then – and even the Pendulum – can only communicate via the 'source' (the meaning of that word obviously depends on the person's perception).  The Pendulum can be seen, by a close analogy, to work rather like a mobile phone that is connected to the service 'provider' (via their 'computer')which then patches-in the destination requested, or, if the person does not have sufficient 'status' at that time, an assigned re-routing is done; either their 'computer' itself (which is unimaginably advanced) will deal with questions (in any language or thought-pattern, terrestrial or otherwise) and process them, or allow for a 'monitor' guide or a teacher-guide etc.  In the case where a person already has an assigned guide then this is most likely to be the 'destination' of the call and requests for answers.  A person can, using the Pendulum, and depending on 'status' again, request to use the computer to give answers – but that request will be overridden if the 'computer' decides otherwise (since it has the person's full life-file and their stage of progress) in which case it will re-route as necessary.

I provide the above information as the next stage in understanding the Pendulum, and naturally all that I have said can and should be checked as practice along with as many further questions that the user can think of, or which often 'pops' into their head from seemingly nowhere, but is actually 'placed' there to help the person examine a particular path of questioning better especially so in areas outside of normal perception and which otherwise might not seem obvious to ask.

Let's look now at some of the actual questions put in the last two posts.....

Q:  Mayatnik believes that the information coming through his pendulum is from his guide. Is that correct?
A:  Yes

This answer is not strictly correct.  I only use the Pendulum very occasionally now – and that is normally for the purpose of demonstration in teaching (in which case my guide normally 'sends' to the Pendulum), or for certain types of 'access' to the computer itself and even this is often in conjunction with telepathy.  So, I haven't really used the Pendulum in the way that members are now learning to do for over 6 yers.   The answer given to Novice is, however, mainly correct in the sense that when I use the Pendulum it has most often been to communicate with my guide.  And I don't 'believe' it is from my guide that the answers come, because I have other means of knowing – firstly because from a very early stage (within the first week from starting to use the Pendulum, in fact) I was also receiving in my head 'verbal' confirmations that were more than just 'yes' or 'no'... such as "That's quite right", or "Exactly!  That's the way it is", or  "Definitely not!" or "Not always, but usually" (and this again illustrates why a person needs to not simply take the first answer given, especially if the Pendulum does not give a vigorous response).  One is not meant to 'believe' answers (or the 'source') but to validate them by extra questions, trying always not to be limited in this by present perception but to be open to all possibilities.  To question does not mean to doubt the truthfulness or intelligence of the 'source' but to seek the fullest knowledge.  So, deeper questioning will always reveal more (such as what I've given above).

Doubting can only lead to uncertainty and confusion, and continual doubting will in any event cause the Pendulum to give the person a 'reality check' to prompt them to think again about their line and manner of questioning – and in some cases can result in the Pendulum stopping working altogether if the person does not have the right attitude and will remain like that until such time as the person genuinely starts to approach it in a more positive and respectful way.  While the larger majority accept this and are progressing well (a few even extremely well), a small minority still berate the Pendulum or take umbridge when it gives them obviously 'wrong' answers, and a couple have contacted me to ask how they can get their Pendulums,  which have stopped dead, to start working again,  There is nothing I can do in such a case, except to explain why it has happened so that they might see things in a clearer way and the Pendulum start working again when the guides decide to switch it back on.  If a person asks "Does 2+3=5?" and uses this as a 'test' of the intelligence of the Pendulum, then there is a questioning of the teacher's credibility.  Why should it answer, when the person knows clearly that the answer is 5?  And, it still doesn't prove the teacher's ability even if the questions went through the whole gamut of maths, or any other subject.  The object of the Pendulum is to teach, not to just give answers.  The whole idea of learning is about asking questions and seeing how the answers obtained can be fitted together from the jigsaw pieces emerging that are meant to increase a person's level of perception.  The way forward, always, is to ask "Am I thinking in the right way here?" or, "Am I seeing this coloured by my perception?" or similar, when an answer appears to be wrong.  The idea of the Pendulum (or any Higher Being) 'testing' the person might better be looked at, if a person has a problem seeing this, as 'stretching' the person for them to rethink their condtioning in some way at that time.

Again, taking Novice's questions that he asks the Pendulum:

Q:  Is the information coming from my pendulum given from my guide?
A:  No
Q:  Is the information coming from my pendulum from any alien entity?
A:  No
----- Note here: an 'entity' is not a Being (this one example of how words have come to be used as interchangeable in society, similarly 'spirit' and 'soul' are not the same thing – so that topic is good for further questioning).

Q:  Is the information coming from my pendulum from my higher self?
A:  Yes
----- Note here:  For many, depending on the person's perception and the questions being asked as a result, the Higher Self (which is actually the 'soul' Being) is quite capable of dealing with most 'general' enquires since it is connected to the 'Collective Consciousness' (which is another term for the 'computer' in how humans can grasp this). The purpose of a guide is quite distinct from that of the 'soul' or 'Higher Self' since the latter is here to experience through the 'vehicle' (personality/individual) we call the body and the guide teaches higher lessons with a view to the person helping others in a special way as and when the guide deems they are ready (and first will come usually a 'monitor').  Again, a lot more to it than the simple 'yes' answer gives, so each answer can always lead further.

Q:  Is an alien computer routing information to my pendulum?
A:  No
----- Note here: Man's notion of aliens and also their 'computers' is not able to grasp the reality – The Startrek image comes to mind, but this is only a mere shadow of the reality.  Any 'real' Startrek computer is actually a 'living entity' in a way that is not possible to understand on earth, and that in turn is linked etremely closely to the Collective Consciousness (call it the 'mainframe' if you like, but that again is not even approaching any kind of conceivably viable analogy).  Much questioning would have to be done to begin to approach a glimmer of understanding about this, but the exploration is worth the effort and is truly fascinating I can assure you.

Q:  Whether the information is channeled through an alien, higher self or some other guide, is it all originating from one source?
A:  Yes
Q:  Is that one source what I understand to be called God?
A:  Yes
----- Note here:  If you think of this in terms of the human brain and
the mind that 'inhabits' it, then the notion of 'source' ( by whatever
means – 'Higher Self', 'computer', guide) and think of that also in terms of being all-embracing in the sense of a 'Collective Consciousness' then a very rough analogy can be drawn, in which 'God' is the Apex 'intelligence'.  But, this still in no way describes the actuality.  Because, in each galaxy there is such a 'God' and each 'God' is a component-part (there are no adequate words) of Prime Creator, the ultimate 'source', as far as this can be taken but in fact extends further into infinity.  Each 'element' of Creation therefore has its place in a Hierarchy of Being, Thought, and Communication in the integral 'whole'.  This 'concept' that my guide has explained to me in detail, and which I'm attempting to give a simplified picture here for the reader to explore themselves can be approached initially in this way......Just as the molecules in our body are part of our organs, which in turn are part of us on a planet 'entity' as part of the Solar System which is just one of an infinite star systems – and, looking out at the stars they are akin to the atoms that are the 'core' element of all we notionalize as 'matter', yet in all matter there is order generated by Thought from Prime Creator.

Q:  So this is another example of society labeling one thing many different names?
A:  Yes
----- Yes indeed!  We say that words can be 'symbolic', yet in reality we are trying to grasp the symbols and putting words to them without realizing that we are not seeing the 'symbol' thought in its True Light due to our perception and the 'colouration' of light reflected that conditioning  distorts and even blocks until we really open our minds  to see the true beauty and magnificence of Creation and our place in it all.  The Pendulum is the tool to light the road back to the Truth, and will, when a guide decides, bring the Telepathy that comes to those who are diligent and receptive..... then they can know the 'bigger picture' and channel that Truth for others.

I will leave it at that for now, and let members explore so that they can bring to these boards what they discover to share and discuss to seek True Understand.  As my signature says, "We never stop learning – it goes on Forever"!

PS>
Just as I'm posting this, I notice the reply from Roy Harper to Paremion – some good points there Roy to be answered, and I'll leave that to Parmenion and others to see what emerges for the time being.   A very interesting post from Inguma I notice, for members to think about – I enjoyed reading that, and I'll post a reply in due course – but, again, let's see what members have to say and get those Pendulums working on as many points as possible for discussion.  I've written enough for the moment, don't want to hog the thread.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[Kalonek –]

Kalonek –

You ask:

quote:Mayatnik could you tell me if what i saw looks like some E.T. guide ?
I let you be the judge ...
I have tried to do it again but i couldn't success in creating the tunnel. I'll try again tonight with all the new info i get from you.

It's late at night here, and I notice your are in France – so whether you'll see this before bedtime I don't know.  But, I'll try to get it on the boards as quickly as I can, with my comments you ask for.

First of all, the 'tunnel' you mention is partly to do with a particular 'state' where the natural chemicals of the brain free the conscious mind... so it just happens when conditions are right.

People actually use various 'methods' to try to induce an 'altered state' of consciousness, and some of those methods are on these forums.  They work, or do not work, depending on the individual.  There is a place for all such methods in this modern world where stress and conditioning block natural access to the Higher Realms.  In fact, we are all born with the innate ability to do it – then it is often knocked out of us while we are still children, and we are forced to 'conform'.  For many, conditioning is hard to break, so a particular 'method' often gives the person something to latch onto for this, and the 'believing' in the method helps as much as the method itself.  but, being able to just 'do it' naturally is the best, and the easiest.  I just 'go' when I want to...and you seem to have the ability to let yourself be an a sufficiently relaxed and natural state as to be able to do this.  The natural way is always the best, and will always work if a person is sufficiently relaxed and can shed conditioning and Fear.

What happened was real, as the 'tunnel' progressed to the landscape.  It wasn't imagination (often thinking it is imagination is the biggest problem that people have, then the conscious mind takes over and snaps them out of it; the way is just to go with it).  So it was, that a 'face' was presented to you.  This is typical, and thousands of people report encounters in exactly this way so there is too much correlation for it to just be a picture; it was presented for you to see.

From what you describe it is clear to me in my experience (and my guide affirms what I am saying here also) that you were being presented with a 'test'.  Why should you be presented with a test in this way?  One of the reasons is to get you to think about your notion of 'aliens'.  The 'face' presented to you was not a normal 'Grey' type species, but there were similarities (small mouth etc).  The guides can present themselves in any form they choose, but that 'face' was chosen obviously, and it would seem to be to test your Fear.  Fear is something to be overcome.  The next time it happens, the way forward is to just remain calm and wait to see if the 'Being' (however presented) speaks to you, which will be 'heard' in your mind).  Or, you can just say, "Hello" perfectly naturally, as a greeting.  And see what transpires from there.  You are simply being allowed to have this experience through your mind, and there is nothing in that which can harm you.

I have just quickly dashed this off, and I will leave it at that for now so that you may be able to read this tonight.

Look forward to hearing more from you on this.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[Novice –]

Novice –

You ask me:

quote: What do you recommend when determining what to believe as truth and what to believe as a test?

Firstly, I'd like to say – because this really helps me see what is happening in Pendulum sessions - I find the way you structured your post was very clear in its explanations of what you were able to do with the Pendulum, even your thoughts regarding what you don't understand are very helpful..... because results to whatever degree can then be examined by others and compared with what they are experiencing.

It is going to be different for each person, and is therefore all the more important to share thoughts and findings wherever possible.  Since the primary aim of the Pendulum is initially to focus on the person's inner-development this also means that the person may not wish to make public the exact line of questioning, as it often tends to feel highly personal or, due to the answers they receive, stretches their mind beyond a point they are willing at the moment to step across out of conditioning and perhaps even fear of going 'over the top' in being seen to follow a line of questioning.

When I was learning the Pendulum I went through many experiences in my questioning sessions.....so, I know exactly what members can expect, and why it is that way.   I have some suggestions that will help in this, but first I'd like to draw members attention to the excellent, balanced and postive questioning line you are using when uncertain, that you explain in your post.... so, worth repeating here for others to employ in situations as needed.
(I quote from you here in blue)

"could these answers be a test"... response YES.
"would you tell me if they were"; response NO.
"Should I continue to try to verify what you are telling me" ...YES.

The user, in this inner-development stage, is meant to 'play out' each questioning line and see where it leads by continuing to ask positve questions. The answers may indeed be true (even if they appear to be far-fetched) and no indication will be given as to whether it is a test or not.  You can indeed, as the Pendulum says, "continue to verify" what it's telling you; that is your Free Will right to do so if you wish – but it is not always likely to be productive, depending on what the answer is and whether it is even possible to verify it.  the whole point of inner-development is that a person's perception of what is true is relative to their perspective – and the very nature of 'development' means that perception will alter. What the Pendulum is therefore teaching is how to examine those areas within in a fresh light, and you will do this by asking as many questions as possible.  The old Native American Indian saying that you can't know a person unless you have walked in their shoes for a full month is a very profound statement.  If you think about it, by casting off the shoes of habituation and 'playing out' the ideas that start to flow as those answers come and which prompt further questions you are getting into your inner-self, starting to walk in new shoes.  So, you will find that this takes on a kind of 'role-playing' as you go along with the answers instead of discarding them.  Essentially, just go with the flow.  I know, because I've been there in that learning situation.  Even if you suspect it is a 'test' then still go along with it, to see what will unfold – and, as I keep saying, you will find questions just 'pop' into your head.    The Pendulum is far more than a 'yes' / 'no' device, and when those answers indicate something that is incredible (non-credible to you) then don't dismiss those answers but explore them as an intrepid traveller on what may seem a Madrigal Mystery Tour but has a purpose because what you are being told may be a Truth that you at present do not see in its correct perspective because of the 'colouration' that the world has put onto what it calls 'status' in society (the imposed need to conform to an 'image' of you, whether it be beggar or king, or any shade of societal expectation for that matter).  

Even 'words' have become distorted into connotations imposed on the mind, and in today's society do not mean what they say but rather what 'image' they evoke as a result of conditioning.  The recent misperception in this thread of the word 'chosen' is a prime example.  When I use the word chosen to describe that I have been asked to impart Pendulum knowledge here it means just that, and not any self-agrandisement by using that word.  I could have said I was 'selected', or even asked (although that does not imply that I accepted, so is incomplete).  I certainly did not ask for this job.  I was chsoen/selected and given it.  Yes, I had the Free Will to refuse it.  And my initial reaction, and for a time remained, "Why me?  I can't do that, I'm not capable".  But I was told by my guide that there were two good resons why I had been 'chosen' for this job.
(1) "We know better than you – and we know you will be able to do it", I was told.
(2) "There are two things you need to learn for your inner-development.  And doing this channeling will create the situation to  teach you what you need to come to terms with".  Still very uncertain that I would be good enough, and other factors, I agreed to do it if my guide felt it was for the best.

You see, I know I have two things in my inner-development that have needed to be worked on, and I'm still working on them even now.  I have always been my own worst enemy in trying too hard, and I was told I had to learn to have some leisure.  I'm afraid I've not done very well at that, although I've cut down ever so slightly the amount of time I spend online.  I still want to answer everybody, and my guide still reminds me "When are you going to have some leisure and do some of your guitar and accordion playing?"..... "Soon" I tell her, "When I've finished this batch of posts".  But then another batch comes in.  So far, I've spent 17  hours today writing this latest batch of posts.  I just love my work so much, but I have to learn to spend time creating music from my soul again.  The other thing I know I have to learn is to not want to 'hide behind a pillar' as I put it.  I much prefer others to take centre-stage while I work in the background – but this job does not allow me to do that, and I realise my guide was very crafty in choosing me to do it.  So it is, that I have to respond, having started all this off at my guide's requret, and take all the brick-bats as well with no pillar to hide behind. "Chosen"?  Yes, with a purpose in mind by my guide to aid my inner-development, and I have no feeling of 'status' that I attach to it, because left to my own way I'd much rather run away and hide. These guides sure know what they're doing, believe me!

You say:
The problem is I really don't have a cut and dry method for determining if what it's telling me is true or not.
Well, as you've found out now... there's no way that the Pendulum is going to give you 'answers on a plate' every time, and certainly the guides' priority is for your inner-development in the early stages at least.  You will find that for certain things you can accept the answers – in such cases as asking it something that 'rings true'.  Other times you just have to keep on asking further questions and as you progress you will find that more and more you are developing an 'intuitive feel' in how to proceed with your questioning line.  You are, in that way, building a foundation, higher and higher at each stage that feels 'firm' and which you can then use as a background in other sessions or the next line of questioning.  I found that the quickest progress is always when the Q/A sessions are long, as short sessions do not give enough time to get deep enough into things.

And it could be that the only way to verify is to keep asking and waiting.
Exactly!  See, you arrived at the answer, even though it only hovers there at the moment, but it is beginning to crystallize!  Be aware though, that the word 'verify' should be taken as 'intuit', and even then it is only a stage of perception.  Remember, that new frontiers of discovery lie ahead, where scientific 'verification' is not possible, but you can nevertheless 'know' it is true because it will feel right, since answers will correlate and mesh together to form a picture you can relate to in the new landscape of knowledge you will increasingly explore.  Regard it as a 'paper chase', with clues along the way.  Each 'clue' (i.e. a new dawning perception) may be the result of a whole long session, and the thought processes it will encourage are the journey between each successive clue.  Along this road you can also use the Pendulum for purely 'factual' information – such as verifying whether statements, as you read them one by one, are 'true' or 'false' – and of course many questions can come from reading each statement.  The Pendulum is truly a 'learning curve'.  And all this quite apart from it's use in such things as Food testing, finding missing items or pets, and many more 'practical' applications (I leave you to explore those possibilities for now).

So, though there's no 'cut-and-dried' way through inner-development in using the Pendulum I can honestly say that, having been there, it is an Adventure you'll look back on and say it was all worth the effort and patience – and where it can lead, well.....that will be different for each individual.  But one thing is certain, you'll be guided along the way as you were indeed guided to come across this thread.  There's no limit – and the truth shall be known, you'll see!

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[FRANK and GANDALF -]

FRANK and GANDALF -

Good to see your enquiring minds comparing notes in your posts  there.  I am sure that you both – and any other members of a scientific or investigative nature – will be interested in examining the 'modulations' put out by various bodies, be they animal or human, when I write further on this in my proposed Summary.  In it I shall be explaining some Traditional Dowsing Techniques that are designed to examine 'radiations' emanating from not only 'living' (and that includes plant life) but inanimate objects, all of which have an electromagnetic 'signature'.  Only that which is living gives out a 'dynamic' and modulating energy, and such as rocks have a 'static' signature.  Of interest also, should be the fact that certain stones – such as those at Stonehenge and similar ancient sites have a specific radiation 'pattern' unique to themselves, and with additional 'information' in their electromagnetic vibration that 'points' in a particular direction, and that being towards another stone; thus a ring of powerful electromagnetic energy is concentrated at these 'Sacred Sites'.  It has been found, also, that such sites have a 'finger' of energy emanation that points over a wide distance to another site, and so on.  In addition to this, the energy detected in 'ley lines' has a connectivity to these sites.  All this, of course, is detected with great and consistent accuracy by using certain weel-defined tried and tested Dowsing Techniques by those who have carefully researched the findings of others and extended the knowledge thus gained by discovering new facets over time.  By special Dowsing Techniques using the Pendulum, it is possible to ascertain, for example, not only the strength of energy radiations, but also their height, and a feature called their 'banding' which is proportional to the height of a stone, plus being able to quantify the other features I have briefly described.

Another thing that will be of interest to the serious investigator with a scientific-bent is the fact that stone that has been 'worked on' by such as stonemasons in ancient times has an 'imprint' of the person who hammered that stone into its shape.  The sex of the person who hammered the stone can be verified - and even the time period when it was done to very close limits, due to this 'imprint'.  This has been verified many times, and also independent testing by expert Dowsers who have hammered stones at different times and then got other Dowsers to 'inspect' those stones to reveal the sex of whichever Dowser had done the hammering and also when.  It has been found that a single sharp blow on a small stone is sufficient to leave this 'imprint'.

Yet another use of the Pendulum by Dowsing Archaeologists (you would have to be an archaeologist to have access to such artifacts) is in the examining of skulls.  From such Pendulum 'examination' it has been proved to be able to quickly ascertain the sex of the person or animal, their age until death, and a very accurate indication of the time period in which the once inhabitant of that skull actually lived.

To clarify the point you both refer to, regarding 'radiaton' and what I said in my first post (and a couple of others).......

My aim in those posts was to give very simple instructions that would work with the vast majority, if not all, of members when they first tried the Pendulum.   I knew, and it was desirable, that members experiment for themselves – but they would have a 'reference point' to return to should results not be consistent.  As some have already noticed, it is not necessary, when one is 'attuned' to the Pendulum, to keep it rigidly in one position and there is some degree of latitude (within a few inches) where good results can be obtained.

So, it will be realised, that my reference to the breastbone (or the 'heart chakra' position) was only a guideline.  Furthermore, it is not the chakra nor any radiation as such that causes the movement.  However, the chakras (particularly the heart chakra) are involved indirectly.  I spoke earlier in this post about 'dynamic' energy – and this is in fact a two-way flow of energy.  Everything, from plants upwards both receives and gives out electromagnetic 'signals', and in this way the electromagnetic field of the body 'modulates'.  The Pendulum operates as you both have ascertained (and as I have said is the case) by minute movements of the hand, subconsciously transmitting impulses originating in the subconscious and being transferred through nerves into the hand, creating the ever so tiny muscle movements that 'transduce' into the physical world in a way that we can observe.

Where the chakras come in, is as receptors – the interface from the non-physical – for the subconscious level of awareness to these signals.  In that respect, the 'healthiness' of the chakras does affect how well the Pendulum moves; the more 'open' they are in general the better the reception – but also, how we perceive answers is governed in a subtle way by the 'balance' of those chakras too).

Our knowledge of radio transmission, and even microwave modulated emission would lead a person to thinking along the lines of signals being 'beamed' towards us, or at least being radiated from a source.  However, this is not the case.  We are dealing here with interdimensional concepts beyond our technology to comprehend.  There is, no matter what the spatiality no falling-off of receptivity regardless of 'distance'.  In fact, the energy is not carried in that way, and furthemore 'travels' at greater than then speed of light.  In terms of interdimensionality, the 'source' can be anywhere, and distance is irrelevant in the brain's ability to receive via the subconscious which resides in the body's confines but is not of the body.

Just some more food for thought, and I look forward to your further 'explorations'.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[CELESTE –]

CELESTE –

quote: Now see, you are taking my comments personally---that was not what was intended. I'm sorry if you were offended

That is your perception.  And in that you could not be more worng.   When I respond to input addressed to me personally I normally will preface my post with that individual's name for reference – but, my words in reply are for the benefit of all readers.  Even when I am replying to a specific problem/experience etc.  I bear in mind that each member is coming from their own particular direction, along with their own habituation and conditioning (which all carry, as human beings) and are in process of shedding for a lighter load as they progress along the way.

There are many forums here on the Astral Pulse, each with it's own very good purpose – to increase spiritual enlightenment.  Why else should they be here?  And why is a person is drawn to a particular forum at any one time – often that person does not consciously know why they stumbled across a particular forum, nor indeed what they are looking for very often initially.  But all are guided, unseen, in this way.  So it is, that we interact, as members enter debate on issues they are suddenly confronted with as they come across a thread.  So it is with you, Celeste.

You still don't seem to have got what I was explaining in my previous post, because you reiterate the very same things and in that way there is no movement forward.  It is not about agreeing, it is rather about positive addressing of issues.  What I was explaining was not about guides but about how people 'colour' their perceptions,  and how understanding is further clouded for others by misuse by some people of 'facts' for their own ends.  That situation is very real and tangible – not some astral 'presence', but what certain people take on.  Face it, whatever any astral being may say it is up to the person how they take it... because it may very well be an 'ego test' for them, and so many succumb to this, as I pointed out.  My mention of a particular incarnation of my guide was purely incidental and had no bearing whatsoever on the validity of the thread nor indeed of anything said in it.  Neither my guide nor I  have any need to use any 'title' from mythology to pursuade people of anything.  Had that been the case, then it would have been prominent from the start, as it always is in the case of those who make extravagent 'spiels' for the purpose of ego-enhancement, pushing a point or – most often – to ring the cash register.  Yet you do not even acknowledge this in your reply, which would have been a positive interaction by you because the existence of that situation in life is widespread and only serves to distort perception and restrict growth by those who are thus beguiled.  All those facts, and any others can – not incidentally but definitely – be verified by users of the Pendulum who have a positive and enquiring attitude.

My object in starting this thread was to present the 'basics' and for members to grow as they encounter from their own experiences with the Pendulum, and to discuss those things freely regarding that.  If you wish to participate, then you will have experiences to share with others.  If you are speaking from a 'ouija board' perspective then it is clearly a different experience (whatever that may be).  To take a 'stance' from a different perspective on another 'activity' is akin to glowering over the garden (or in this case, forum) wall and commenting on their garden with regard to yours.  By definition, a stance is an obstruction in the doorway of learning, and I would say to you – as also to all others – Come in, and look around... but be positive in your questioning, not negative.  There is much to see here and absorb for ongoing thought in this thread.  It is members' contributions that make this thread, and I am merely presenting guidelines for safe exploration.  Two things are paramount in this – (1) that contributing members should have read carefully ALL the material here presented.  I realise that the thread is long, and a summary is in process of being written by myself on the 'basics', and which will take into account points raised by members.  (2) This thread is only in its first 'stage', and members' positive input as they participate and experience will carry it forward – so I have presented here only that which is necessary for this particular stage, and members themselves will progress to the next stage.....each in their own time and at their own pace, sharing along the way if and as they feel an inner prompting so to do.  As this happens I shall expand further with explanations and guidance given.

Because I do not mention Psychic Defence in this thread does not mean I don't know about it.  On the contrary, I am fully aware of the issues that Robert Bruce and others raise for awareness and to help people who have problems in that area.  I have the greatest respect, and indeed applaud all that Robert Bruce is doing, but I would suggest that you don't know him for he is far more than he presents, and if you had walked his difficult path then you would know the more that he is.  And you certainly don't know me, even if you were to read and carefully think about all that I have written up to this moment here.

I have not mentioned my knowledge in other spheres, since I wish the focus to be on Positve Progress in applying the Pendulum - but I will now point out here that I have successfully dealt with many situations to do with 'entities' and other things that arise due to people having a lack of true knowledge in such as magick for instance.  And, in my role as a Therapist and Counsellor I have where necessary undertaken House Cleansing and also such as the removal of spells from talismans and the like.  I have also been called out late at night by church ministers even, to perform exorcisms.  I do not participate in those forums on the Astral Pulse that are dealing, each in their own way, with those topics, nor in any other topics of which I have experience.  My purpose here at the Astral Pulse is to present and deal with ongoing experiences concerning the Pendulum – and I wish to keep it at that.  As I said earlier, each forum has its purpose and exists to help members who feel drawn to each topic.

You have quoted from another source in your reply above – but I wonder how much you understand of what you've quoted there.  As Robert Bruce so rightly puts it (to quote from your quote):
Robert Bruce states clearly:

quote: Open debate on these matters is always welcome, or course, but please ease up on the heresy charges and finger pointing, just because the subject matter herein does not fit in with personal beliefs on how the spiritual universe works.

Quite right, Robert!  Now think about those Wise Words when considering the writings of anyone else.  The keynote is respect at all times for what has been built, at whatever level of perception.  Whether it is 'right' or 'wrong' is in the perception of the reader as they progress - and perception changes as it will with growth.  Full participation is fundamental and essential to grow and ongoing positive experience is the teacher of the inner-self, whether it is in interaction with other people or non-human.  One thing is certain – that negative interaction will bar the way forward, as well as presenting obstacles that can confuse and slow the progress of others who may read any negative input thus causing a need to go over ground that has been previously laid.  So, Robert Bruce is quite right – because he seeks to move members forward and avoid any disruptive and therefore unproductive ad-hoc input from those who are not participating.  So, I say again to you – You are welcome to participate, but this is an a Ouija thread.  I am sure that members would welcome any expertise or even experiences you might wish to share; but, a thread of your own would be the best place for an alternative 'method'.  That you state it is the same indicates clearly that you have not studied the subject of Divination fully, however – and that quite apart from your need to apply Psuchic Defence particularly because of dangers in areas of such experimentation that methods like Ouija lay one open to.  I have to again here caution any members who use ouija board 'methods' about the very real dangers inherent in such practices, and they are well advised to keep away from such or to learn about Psychic Defence.  This Pendulum method does not need Psychic Defence (in fact it is counter productive, as there is inherent safety in using it, and negative attitudes will only serve to make the Pendulum malfunction and even stop working altoghether as it has its own 'safety cutout'). Divination Dowsers, over the centuries, have never found any need to use Psychic Defence in its use, nor has it ever when properly used been the cause of any Psychic Attack.  Whilst this 'advanced' method I present here is not the same (not as 'basic') as the Traditional Dowsing Technique, it should be noted that the 'source' of Divination (what makes the Pendulum actually work) is the same, and over those many centuries has been found to be trustable even when many Dowsers have not known exactly what that source is.  The Ouija board, on the other hand, has brought people to my door who have suffered greatly as a result of its use, and I have had to remove negative entities that have become attached to not only them but their house causing severe dpression and even irrational behaviour affecting others along with manifestations and/or persistant negative influences.  If this pertained to the Pendulum I would indeed incorporate such defensive methods as were needed.  But they are NOT neede here, nor will any negative influences in a person's life affect the Pendulum, although some (like yourself) may indeed be prone to negativity and perceived attack in other spheres of life, and those people should continue to employ Psychic Defence to those other things as and where they feel appropriate.  Those who have not encountered a need for Psychic Defence do not need to pursue it.

Since you bring the subject up, with reference to Robert Bruce, let me make it quite clear here..... that negativity is a necessary part of life to encounter.  It is in encountering resistance that we are ever impelled forward.  Lack of resistance means stasis, and in that condition the Universe would grind to a halt.  Push creates counter-push in all living things (in fact, in all of creation).  But this does not mean that counter-push has to be aggressive, in fact aggression only serves to increase the opposite push, and is akin to the notion that some have of 'imposing peace'.  If anyone finds themselves dealing with 'lower entities' then the approach of a good parent to a child is worth bearing in mind – Respect teaches respect at all times, so do not use force for it will only result in opposing force.  Order in the Universe is created out of chaos, and deep rational thinking directs the irrational onto a path of positive and therefore productive creativity.

The words of Robert Bruce, from which you quoted, puts it into context admirably here:

quote: if God wanted us to live lives of spiritual purity and security, He would not have put us down here in the physical universe in the first place. Did God make a mistake? He would, instead, have put is in some lovely heavenly place where everyone is loving and nothing could ever hurt us. But the fact is that He chose to put us here in the dimension of hard life experience, Negs and all. There must be a good reason for this.

Neg forces provide the necessary resistence that allows a person to go beyond their normal mortal limits, to reach new heights of spiritual awareness and accomplishment, eg, spiritual evolution.

Prime Creator (as the Pleiadians term the God of all perceived 'Gods') is the Source Of All.  So, Prime Creator made all – and that includes whatever resistance that is encountered.  That applies to ALL realms of creation, each playing their part.  'Negs' come from Prime Creator therefore, in his Infinite Wisdom for us to learn.  'Out there' are infinitely vast reaches of exploration far far beyond Man's ability to comprehend, but we are promted to ever seek forward – not too 'bar the door' with inappropriately huge defences, for that only increases Fear of the Unknown in our minds.  Consider where you live..... do you need defences against what is happening in your neighbourhood?  In some places there is great danger, and in others much less so.  For some, even, there is virtually no danger at all.  But that does not mean that there is no 'resistance' factor in our lives, because we are constantly being presented with resistance to our inner growth, and it is there in the 'scenario' of our life experiences to aid us in reaching ever onward and upward.  We have the choice to ignore, skate round, things.  But they will be re-presented at another time, for us to confront without fear... to deal with issues in life's lessons.   Again, alluded to in the words of Robert Bruce.....:

quote: I think it is much more realistic to work with what we have down here, rather than to rely on wishful thinking to fix everything about life that we don't like or can't accept.

Very true!  Positive action will achieve, though it may be through personal pain or having to come to terms with things that were once thought 'absolute' and therefore a seeming comfort.  This is exactly where the Pendulum comes in, because it is a learning tool first and foremost for inner-development.  Though it gives answers, and these answers will be found to be more and more 'accurate' as the person progresses in their inner-development, there is no 'answer on a plate' and the answers are only part of a much greater whole which must be worked through as perspective increases and habituation and conditioning drop away like scales from our eyes.

Robert Bruce makes this further highly significant point:

quote: Any person who makes a strong spiritual statement with their life (or has potential to do same) will immediately attract the forces of darkness in some way or other

This is something for readers to ponder deeply upon.  Because in that quote lies the meaning of what life is all about.  Throughout History, those who have stood up and proclaimed their Truth have been attacked, vilified and even put to death.  And yet Man has still not learned the lesson.  Religion has taught people to "pray for Salvation to end this 'strife' of the 'mortal coil'" – therefore Religion teaches avoidance and puts the onus on others, usually a 'Saviour' to come and tidy-up the playroom of Man's kindergarten.  It is time to grow up now, and realise that those who stand up and proclaim the Message they have been given to teach will always be vilified and obstructed from doing this by a cloak of confusion that forces of 'darkness' would throw over that Light.  Darkness' means simply 'ignorance' in whatever form it may take, and however 'well intentioned' a person may feel in their conditioned reflex to maintain the status quo when something appears to challenge their 'comfort zone' of perception which may be avoiding further enLIGHTenment.  There are always higher and higher perceptions to be reached, and an open and receptive mind is the means by which that ladder will be climbed.  Nothing is the way it seems from the ground, or even higher.....so we must ever seek with unblinkered vision to see more than the closed confines of habituation.  And, until respect for all that is new is reached there will always be those who will attack.

I have been attacked many times (by both Black Magick and Voodoo 'illwishers' as well as both physically and mentally), and been vilified to try to ruin my life and discredit me so that none would believe a word I said.  In fact, I have had assassination attempts on my life, having been shot 5 times – on two of which occasions I have been very close to death.  Such has been the 'resistance' to my revealing of Truth, and the uncovering of what certain 'organizations' behind the governments seek to subvert in our society.  My dear wife died at the hands of such people, to try to shut me up.  They will not succeed.  As I have said before elsewhere, "If they should kill me, then I will open every file from the other side".  The attempts have stopped several years ago now, beause they know I mean exactly what I say.

To quote Robert Bruce's words of Wisdom for the final time here:

quote:If my past were changed, so that all dark spiritual attacks were removed, I would not be the same person I am today. I would certainly not have written any significant books or even be writing this post today. The difficulties and torment involved with my life, including dark spiritual attacks, have not only driven me in a particular direction, but have driven me to learn, to adapt, to grow stronger and wiser, and to overcome same.

My sentiments exactly!  From my earliest childhood I was given suffering in the form of abusive 'parents' and who kept me imprisoned, not allowed to go out and play with other children and beaten if I spoke even.  I never knew my natural parents, who are Russian, and was brought up by an old couple who should never have had children.  Apart from being virtually blind I was, later in life crippled on 2 crutches for 20 years as a result of my hip being smashed... plus knowing things claivoyantly about what really goes on behind the closed doors of those that are the true power behind governments, and which led to incredible suffering as I was forced by circumstances to engage with those 'dark forces'.... finally the death of my wife, my "little lifetime-pal".  That is when I decided to dedicate my life and existence here on this Earth to what I now have done for the last 8 years – to Channel the Pleiadian Beings of Light who 'gifted' me with abilities to do this job..... and I shall continue in that for what there is yet to do as long as there is life in my body and beyond.

Therefore, I thank God for all the suffering He has blesed me with for my inner-growth and I am truly grateful for all that I have been given to experience and deal with, for those things have made me the person I am today.

To sum up – It should be noticed, that I have answered your post in a positive, embracing manner...to add constructively to what I have said before, and to add further to the excellent words of Robert Bruce – rather than adopting some defensive, negative and potentially destructive comment which would at the least confuse those who may have suddenly come across this thread without reading the preceding posts carefully and thoughtfully to get a better overview of what it is all about.

So, Celeste, it is with love that I say these things to you, and for all members to ponder on my words and those of Robert Bruce here because much lies behind them – and for you to always be positive, because that is the way forward, no matter what you may encounter.  Even more than that, respect all in the Universe – for everything has a place and a purpose..... whether it be the topics here on Astral Pulse, the wider world or even realms beyond our perception... all is there that we may learn from and grow.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[Euphoric Sunrise –]

Euphoric Sunrise –

I copied your original post to this thread rather than the Pendulum thread, because this one is dealing with matters one 'stage' on as it were and not purely Pendulum alone – so 'spirit guides' is a typical spinoff, and ideal for this thread.

The account you give of your Pendulum session is interesting.  It illustrates how a line of questioning can go astray and lead to puzzling responses.

The session seems to be concerned with you wanting to find out your position regarding guides.  You say.....

quote:So i asked the pendulum if i had four guides and it gave me 'yes' (i had gone up from 1, so i had tested all previous numbers)

Now, since I wasn't there, I can only assume that you asked:
> Have I got a guide....YES
> Have I got 2 guides.....YES
----- and here I recollect that in your previous post you mentioned 2 guides being present – you'd checked this.  It may wel be that two guides were indeed present at that time; perfectly logical to assume.
> Have I got 3 guides..... YES
----- this would seem to be unusual.
> Have I got 4 guides..... YES
----- logical 'alert bells' would start ringing for me at this point.  This seems in every sense far from ordinary; a crowd is gathering!

It is important to detect quickly when answers start to 'feel' wrong.  And the guides in the initial stages are teaching just this very often.  What they are saying as well is, "Don't expect the answers on a plate".  You are clearly anxious to find out as much as possible, quickly, about any guide that you may have.  Since you will hopefully have read in the instructions that you are unlikely to have more than one guide (and/or 'monitor') at any one time in your learning, then the maximum would be, sensibly thinking, two.  So, the Pendulum is also saying, "Have you thought properly about this line of questioning?"

In fact, the ideal question to put at the earliest stage in this type of questioning would be:
> Am I thinking about this in the right way... NO

Let's revamp this questioning line then:

(I'm not permitted to do too much of this, because you have to find your own answers – but here's how it might start off).....

> Have I got a guide?... yes  < - a small swing here, merely affirming.
> Does everybody have a guide?... NO < --- very positive answer.
..... sudden thought crosses your mind to ask...
> Does everybody have a 'guardian angel'?... YES
> Is this in the same way as Mayatnik calls a 'monitor'?...no
> But the Guardian angel does 'monitor' in a sense?...YES
> Is this to see how I progress with 'life lessons'?... YES
> And does the Guardian Angel make a report daily on this?...YES
> Is a 'Guardian Angel' similar to a 'guide' in what they do?... NO
> So a 'guide' is completely different?...YES
> The Pendulum said yesterday I had 2 guides with me?... YES
> Were they both my 'guides'?... NO
> One of them was my 'guide'?...YES
> Was one of them 'observing'... YES
> Is that 'normal' ... NO
> Was it anything specifically to do with me... NO
> But usually only one 'guide' is there?...YES
> Mayatnik said that often a person gets a 'monitor' guide first...YES
> This is often the case before a guide is 'assigned'?... YES
----- Note: The Mayatnik question affirms the fact that Mayatnik said it, but does not state in itself that it is true what Mayatnik said.
----- So,
>  Is Mayatnik right about this, regarding a 'monitor'?...YES
----- Note: No ambiguity – a direct affirmation, stating this to be true.
>  Am I doing alright with my questioning?... YES
>  Are you my guide now?... YES
>  Are you what Mayatnik calls a 'Teacher-Guide'?... YES
>  Will get another guide after I have learned things?... YES
>  Will the next guide be my 'parmanent guide'... <searching>
----- The Pendulum spins here, searching, because there are quite a number of variables – how well you learn, what you learn, will another 'teacher-guide' be necessary..... too many variables at this stage...
>  Pendulum Stop, please.  < --- Then Pendulum stops <searching>
>  Have you been a 'guide' for a long time?... YES
>  A very long time?   (the Pendulum may not move to respond here)
----- Note: 'Time' is relative to the Earth, it is OUR time frame.
>  Were you a guide before Man came on the Earth?...YES
>  Have you been a guide on other planets?...YES
>  Did you have to have special 'training' to be a guide?...YES

We could go on for ages, following various similar lines of questioning on this topic alone – finding out about guides, getting to know your guide, where they came from, etc.

The important thing to remember in the first stage of learning, is getting used to just talking to the Pendulum, and recognising what is 'common-sense' in order to get rid of conditioning and work on inner-development.  Strange as it may seem, when you get to exploring perspectives beyond anything we are remotely familiar with there is still the element of common-sense that should be applied in asking questions, and also thinking of analogies where something is unfamiliar.   So, questions after the style of....
> Is this like [or similar to]..... < - here describing a known situation.
> Am I thinking along the right lines here?...YES/NO will tell you.
> Would I be better putting that question a different way?
----- and you can think of many more variations.  The idea is to adopt a 'conversational' thread, just as you would sitting with a Wise Friend.

You say:

quote: I thought animals, and that i am very attracted to black panthers, and i've read that an animal you are fond of may be a guide. So i asked the pendulum if a black panther was my guide and it gave me 'yes'

The idea of animals comes from such as Native Indian and Shaman cultures, and such 'guides' are very powerful to them.  I am not going to go into detail here because it is a vast area of exploration.  Let me just give you a small clue though – an animal guide is not a real animal but has the 'attributes' that animal is tradionally said to possess, and in that is much power for the mind to connect with higher consciousness.  The thing here would be to read a book, or two preferably – and then ask practical questions about the subject.  A similar thing applies in our culture where many refer to their 'Higher Self'.  It is the same as the animal-guide in the sense that it is a bridge to Higher Realms beyond our own individual (higher)self.  Communication takes place through the Higher Self, and not just to that Higher Self (although, depending on the culture and conditioning, a person may feel more comfortable with talking to or through that Higher Self as a kind of buffer between them and what may be 'out there' in the at-present Unknown.  In such a case, as with an affinity to an 'animal guide' (through reading for example, and/or absorbing elements of that culture) then the Pendulum will understand how the person feels, and answer accordingly.  The True Reality is always greater than our perception at any stage, because all is relative to what we can grasp at each perspective level.

You go on to ask about Aliens – Pleiadians and 'Reptilians'.  The fact that you mention Reptilians tells me that you have been picking up on things you've heard or read.  Now is the time to clarify your thoughts by reading more about these things, rather than asking have you got them as your guides.  Obviously you have a strong desire to be part of all that's new but you first have to gain a 'balanced' perspective by reading and questioning about what you read, sentence by sentence would be a good start.  Build on the answers you receive, and if it starts to feel confusing then go back to a lower rung of the perspective and take another look from that height at what you can see that makes sense.  Only when you feel you have a firm foothold at that perspective should you move up further.

You sum it up clearly in your final paragraph:

quote: I'm actually starting to believe my desires are controlling the pendulum as the answers i'm being given are very pleasing. I suppose any answers about guides would be pleasing though

The Pendulum will not take you higher until you feel sure and confidet about what you're learning – and then you will start to get consistent answers that make sense to you - practice along the lines of the model Questions I gave above, and apply that thinking to different topics.

The fact that SeekingAnswers has done it, and can attest clearly to that, is proof it can be done.  There is no race to 'get there' in this, and each person has matters of inner-deveolopment that take priority each of those different in themselves.  So, just keep asking questions - as many as you possibly can - and enjoy the journey!

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[Hello Celeste -]

Hello Celeste -

Sorry I'm about to get controversial.
Don't apologise, you obviously intend it.  But why do you feel you are controversial, I wonder?
You sound like you are well intentioned but I need comment even though it will go against the current here.
You think that comment is not allowed?  There are many contributors to this thread, and each has their own viewpoint – and, in fact, that is the purpose of this thread..... to explore and question – by means of the Pendulum, yes, but also to share viewpoints regarding it..... as you must have seen if you've read all through this thread.
It is a Free Will world, and if you feel that you are 'controversial' then that's fine.
Maybe just for some balance.
Too much overall agreement? You are then maybe playing the 'Devil's Advocate'?  If so, good thinking.  Thank you for your input.

So, you say.....

quote:Your guide claims it was/is the Goddess ISIS?

I make it a policy not to trust any 'guide' that says it was a "god/dess' or anyone famous for that matter.

I agree entirely with your point there in general.  I say in general because when you look at the large number of so-called Clairvoyants that are so called 'Inernationally Acclaimed' and very often with large Internation Bank Accounts (more real than so-called) there are a considerable number that lay claim to having Godesses or Famous People who once lived, as their guide.  And it does not apply only to that ilk alone – much play is made by some people who report stories of their 'Past Lives' as Famous Personages also.  Let's face it – by whatever name you wish to call it the end product is Marketing.  Whether a person may deny this, and protest that they are utterly genuine, the 'product' rings the cash registers very loudly, because some people are still guilible.  You, I take it, are not.  And I would say that none of the contributors to this thread are either, from what I've seen in these posts.  In fact, it would be an insult to intelligence to suggest that, given the material that I have presented here.

I do not do this, nor indeed any activity in my life, for money.  I have dedicated my life entirely to this and often work between 48 and 60 hours online in a 'day' (due to my extremely poor eyesight) between necessary periods of sleep, either posting here or counselling online – I receive no remuneration whatsoever, and the happiness in my soul from helping people is something that money cannot buy.  My life is simple.  I just receive a small pension for being Registered Blind, and because I am sat at home I can devote my life easily to this 'job'.  So, I don't need to wave any prestigious Guide-title as my 'source' since I am not marketing anything.  Nor do I have any ego-agenda to become famous; I could easily have my work published and give lectures as a channeler, or have my own website.  But my guide has asked me to come here and tell members at the Astral Pulse about the Pendulum, in the way it was once used and has now been revealed to me to pass on.  I was not even permitted by my guide to pass this method on to the public domain for 8 years.  I would ask, "When can I tell people?"  And my guide would say, "When it is time".  And when I told in the post the name with which my guide had once incarnated it was, and I used the word incidentally, in contrext to what I was referring to... namely those times.

For a long time I didn't even know the name of my guide.  It took 2 years before I was told my guide was a 'she', and a further 2 years went by after that before  she revealed her name, Karek (which, she said means 'Bright Star').  It was about 3 years after I came to know my guide as Karek (her real name) that we were talking telepathically (which we do for hours and hours, a constant joy to me because she is a wonderful teacher and 'personality' with a good sense of humour  too) and during the course of our conversation about the Sumerians and Egypt in general she happened to mention that she had incarnated as Inanna and later was known as the Godess Isis – and she told me some private details about Osiris.  The 'myths' are not what people think they are, but that is not for me to tell and a person can use the Pendulum to find out more about such things.....even to check if what is written is true – and that applies to what I write also.  Of course it depends on whether a person is using the Pendulum properly or not, and the whole purpose of this thread is to enable a person to Divine Truths correctly (but more on that later).

quote:
Pt 2 of my policy states not to trust a guide that tells me that "I" am special or chosen in any way or that the information is special
Hey, but that's just my policy

I have never said that I am special, nor even implied it.  I am simply giving the information that I am asked by my guide to give.

Chosen?  I did not ask to be a channeler.  I did not ask to be given this gift of telepathy.  I did not ask to be here to explain what 'chosen' means.  I was simply chosen by my guide to do this, so that is what I do.  Perhaps you mean it as in "The chosen One?" – as somebody 'special'?.  People often put 'colouration' onto a certain word and transmute it in a kind of verbal alchemy, according to how they view it - rather than seeing it in its full overall context.  I write a whole essay for a post to explain carefully, with humility, what my purpose is here.  But, if a single word fills the page in a person's perception and conditioning, then by effectively 'blocking out' they may well not see those other words and miss the point.

You go on to say:

quote:In fact, the Pendulum can be used in EXACTLY the same way as the Ouija board. If a person is using it to 'communicate' with spirits/guides then it is being used "Mediumisticly" same deal as the ouja board. I think it pays to recommend discernment in all things Spiritual. But, hey...that's just me.

I explained carefully at the start of this thread about the ouija board, for the benefit of those who weren't aware that 'communication' by that means can be extremely dangerous.  I won't repeat the details here, since the reader can refer to the full explanation.  Suffice it to say, that negativity is attracted to an ouija board, and can even leave its imprint on those people engaged in such activity, leading to depression and worse, and often affecting the surroundings also.   Invariably, my guide tells me, 'lower entities', and those of a negative disposition as well as elementals are attracted to the ouija board and can in no way be relied upon to give answers that will assist inner-development or be of any real worth spiritually.  I note from elsewhere on the forum that you have a manifest and keen interest in Psychic Defence.  I, personally, do not use any psychic defences nor do I need them.  The key is in being POSITIVE, calm and Fearless.  Love and Compassion are the opposite of Fear.  The Universal Law is that 'Like attracts Like' – and Fear is negative, while Love is the most Postive emotion that can be sent out, attracting Loving Beings of Light.

You say:

quote:As well this little 'Kantra'--I'm not sure how fool-proof it is.

If you use a ouija board then you don't use such a Kantra, and you seem to imply that the use of a ouija board is at least akin to use of the Pendulum, so I fail to see your point here since you would seem not to be concerned regarding the ouija board without a Kantra yet wonder about the 'effectiveness' of this Kantra with the Pendulum (presumably as a 'protection') so there is fear implied in your statement, and fear is negative and will attract negativity to you – thus creating a vicious circle leading you to seek more Psychic Defence ad infinitum.  Maybe you see this Kantra as being a form of Pyschic Defence – but it isn't; it is simply an affirmation and dedication.  Also, it was given to me by telepathy from my guide, and is written in no book on Earth, which should say something to you.

Finally, you conclude:

quote:Hey, but that's just my policy

I don't have a 'policy'.  I just receive the message and pass it on – just 'as it is'.  The rest is up to the reader.   It's a Free Will World.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[Bad Moon Rising]

Bad Moon Rising has contacted me on Messenger, and told me about a post that was in her thread in 'Spiritual Development' called 'SPIRIT GUIDES'.... I hadn't seen it (not had time unfortunately -  due to my eyesight problem making reading very slow I don't get around the forums as much as I'd like to).  Anyway, BMR suggested I copy it into here for the benefit of any other members who may not have seen it, since it is relevant to questions been asked my those following the Pendulum topic and wanting to contact guides through it.

So, I reproduce that post (by Euphoric Sunrise, 1 July) here:

quote:Posted in BAD MOON RISING's thread <SPIRIT GUIDES>
in the "Spiritual Development" section. – 1st JULY.

This is a rather timely topic. Thanks to MAYATNIK's post on pendulum's in Astral Conciousness (it's a sticky, it's pink, and 12 pages, you can't miss it), i may have just then had contact with two of mine, provided the pendulum was giving me correct answers, and provided there wasn't any personal influence etc.

The pendulum 'told' me there were two guides in the room with me. I then asked each guide questions through the pendulum. What's most interesting, though, is i asked one of them if they would touch me on my left shoulder for confirmation, the pendulum swung for 'no'. So i thought, ok fair enough and left it alone. Now just before when i had put the pendulum down i felt something on my left shoulder. It was like a heaviness or something. So i picked up the pendulum and asked it if was a guide and it swung for yes.

Needless to say, i'm pretty excited at the moment because this is my first contact with any of my guides that i am can remember. Of course, it may just all be coincidense, but i'm still pretty happy.

That post was, of course, in it's correct thread – since it was about 'spirit guides'..... but Bad Moon Rising and I felt it would be good for members in this section, to share with those here also.  My grateful thanks to Euphoric Sunrise for that account.  Each experience shared is a step further in enlightenment.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[goingslow]

Greetings Adrian,

Thank you for the two points you raise – and which raise a third point that you don't mention, but which struck me as I read your post.

You see, I could have answered those 2 points quickly and very easily just by channeling (in fact, I knoow the aswers anyway) – but I remembered that I had answered these points in detail (the one about holding the Pendulum quite a number of times) in the thread
<AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN – You'll see!>
and the one concerning suspending the Pendulum from a fixed object, I had answered in reply to *Beav*.  So, the thought came into my mind to do a check, and retrieve the information I'd already given – about the 'suspension' particularly, and to see just how many times I'd explained the holding of the Pendulum and how it actually works.  

Thus started an interesting hour or so, as I searched the thread.  I had never looked back at any posts, but I knew what I'd written and remembered what members had replied.  We are on page 13 of that thread now, but I knew that what I sought would be on page 8 or before – so I commenced my search backwards from page 8.  And it dawned on me that the thread was in need of summarising.  I found a number of explanations on holding the Pendulum and what actually 'works' its movements, and have selected a reply I made to goingslow that I found on page 3 of the thread.  But – sod's law – I had to search all the way back to the beginning to find the reply I'd remembered making to *Beav* - Yes, there it was, on page 1 posted the 19th of June (the day I started the thread).  So, that point about whether the Pendulum will work was actually answered right at the start, yet members are apparently – as you say – still wondering about this..... which means that even though it was at the very start of the thread it has obviously been missed and indicates that the thread is now too long for newcomers to read all the way through, and in fact implies that, understably, members are just responding to the end of the thread.  I shall therefore consider how best I can rewrite the instructions and information in a form that is quickly and easily readable – perhaps as a Main Summary with Side-Notes and a FAQ section.  This will obviously take me some time, at least a week – because I want to be able to respond to any further input appertaining to the topics I am now dealing with in the meantime to keep up – so I would ask members to please bear with me, and I shall to make all points as easily referrable to as I can.

I quote below my replies which I found on searching the thread that should hopefully cover your questions  at this time.

reply to *goingslow* on p3 of P-thread

I wrote:

quote:Just hold the Pendulum as you would carefully hold something valuable by the fingertips (so as to not let it slip and fall). There is no need to hold it ever so tightly, just make firm contact with the string or chain.

Your subconscious IS what controls the Pendulum, and the answers (that move the Pendulum) come THROUGH the subconscious, direct to the fingers without interaction from the intellect and the congnitive - which normally moves your fingers when you react to events in the world around you – such as locating a pen on a line in your writing pad in order to write a letter, and ensuring by co-ordination that your hand enables the flow of writing that you do).

The hand does in fact move very minutely, but this is not the same as when you move your hand deliberately (by cognitive nerve impulse). The Pendulum is the *interface*, like a speaker at the end of the Hi-Fi chain. Messages come into the subconscious and are modulated by the electromagnetic field of the body – which then is amplified and converted into physical 'energy' that activates the movement and produces the *answer* that you see. But, while this is going on, that 'link' between the source and your body sensing and transducing mechanisms (on a subconscious level) is being constantly improved with practice, and that is why the Pendulum is so effective at training a person to be Telepathic seemingly effortlessly (in conjunction with the way the guides work, because the know every minute detail of that intricate machanism that science does not understand relating to the subconscious).

Regarding POST FROM <Beav311> (19 JUNE) page 1

quote:Beav311 asks:
Is it necessary to hold the pendulum? That might create false swings. Why not hang it from something that wont move?

Who moves it? How do you know its not you doing telekinesis? Or is that what you want? Your unconscious mind knows a lot more than conscious

==== MY REPLY =>
It is necessary to actually hold the Pendulum, and what was suggested earlier up the thread by Beav will not work. I understand where Beav is coming from with this, because many object can be moved by Telekenisis, and I have seen it done several times with a Pendulum that was not being held but was suspended from a doorframe. The Pendulum, when moved by Telekenisis does not however function as a Pendulum - it simply moves. those who are adept with Telekenesis can make it give a 'yes' movement by will-power, but the movement is always slow and sluggish to get started, and shows no 'character' either in its movement so is entirely impractical, and can not be consistently made to move in the required direction in any case - and what would be the point of projecting your will to an object when tha information isn't being transmitted in that manner.

The Pendulum moves by modulation of the electromagnetic field then interacting with the instrument and the movement is fully and dynamically responsive. As a point of interest, when I am teaching, I have sometime had occasions when I've needed to actually move a person's Pendulum remotely (from where I am sitting usually about 4 feet away) and I simply 'tell' (by just thinking) the Pendulum to respond with a 'yes' or 'no' to show the kind of strong movement it is capable of when the pupil is more 'attuned' to it (if they are only causing a weak swing at first, because one of the inhibors of swing is negativity in the person or lack of confidence in themselves). So I too can make a Pendulum respond without actually holding it, simply by thinking and projecting into their electromagnetic field, thus it modulates and moves the Pendulum. When I do it in that way the response is quick, dynamic and strong (unlike when suspended from such as a doorframe, which doesn't have a dynamic emf - and which, in saying that, proves the point of how a Pendulum really works). But, me controlling another person's Pendulum is not them receiving in the normal way, so outside of the occasional necessity to demonstrate, it would be at best only a cheap party-trick, and a cheat. The Pendulum would certainly not fulfil its purpose as a communicator of Truth or otherwise

I am not happy in re-presenting what is now 'second hand' information by virtue of requoting it, and I would always much rather channel freshly for each occasion.  However, I have done it this way here to demonstrate that the information IS in fact there in the thread.

Thanks once again for bringing to my attention the need for me to summarize the thread, which I who know it so well found difficult to find information even though I knew what I was looking for and knew it was there.  Be assured that I shall, as always, make every effort to clarify the situation at the earliest possible opportunity.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[LASHER –]

LASHER –

Nice choice of questions there, for a real first-run!  It is what I would expect from a balanced mind such as yours, especially with an eye to a good breakfast which the Pendulum obviously knows you appreciate (and therefore wouldn't argue with).  As to what constitutes a Healthy meal, too much accent is placed on diet these days to the extent that people worry so much about their health that they end up eating even more because of what I call the circular-worry-syndrome.  When clients come to me and tell me they have tried every diet in the book and can't lose weight and ask what do I recommend I tell them this – "Eat what your stomach fancies, because it knows best"... of course I give them other practical advice also (about avoiding 'junk food' and excessive regular intake of protein, added E-numbers for flavouring and preserving, etc) but, in general, if we eat what we feel drawn to, without glutonizing and at meal times mainly, then we will not be victims of the worry-syndrome and our bodies will regulate themselves.  So, initially clients laugh when I tell them, "Eat what your stomach fancies"..... but then they come back, thinner and much happier, and say, "Thank you - I didn't believe it.....but it really does work!"  And the Pendulum was answering in your best interests – co-incidentally agreeing with what you fancied anyway!  Just as an additional 'health tip', eat leisurely, a good early breakfast (the Englishman's bacon and eggs with toast is a good starter) and avoid a big mid-day meal (unless you are going to siesta, because it slows the metabolism just at the time when you need the opposite, to be fired with energy), and use carbohydrate (such as potatoes) for a slow steady release of energy, rather than the <quick-release quick-depression> effect of sugar.

Regarding your last question:
"Am I speaking with a Pleiadian" ... Yes
As you rightly assume, you got a 'no' the night before (your very first attempt, due to the Pendulum not being initialised and 'attuned' to you properly until this second proper session.  It frequently happens (unless a person has a very strong connection with their guide anyway at the time of starting the Pendulum) that the first communication, or several, will be through the 'computer' or monitored only.  The response telling you that you were speaking with a Pleiadian confirms the fact that considerable interest is being taken by the guides now to help you progress.  Never feel that you are wasting their time, because they understand you better than you know yourself, and they know that you need to learn, so ask away, anything and as much as you like – and if questions 'pop' into your head seemingly from nowhere then put them to the Pendulum, and see where it takes you.  Incidentally, any members who get differing responses to this question, or a response such as that it is your "Higher Self" or similar, they should bear in mind that the Pendulum is a teacher, so will respond to your stage of progress.  You may find that different 'monitors' are interacting through the Pendulum, or that at the moment it is sufficient for you to know that, in any case, all input to you through the Pendulum comes through your Higher Self in the transducing.

Thank you once again for sharing your Q/A session with us, and especially your comments which help greatly as a background to them, to give members a 'feel' for it especially if they are just strting out with the Pendulum or are unsure as to what to ask and what to expect.   Enjoy your sessions, and I look forward to any more input!

As I was writing this post a funny thing happened..... I suddenly got a flash of memory, a déjà vu... because I recollect writing this very post some years ago, and my guide has just said, "Yes!  You remember!"   There is something about this time that will no doubt come clear to me; in the meantime my guide simply says, as she often does, "Wait and see"  I won't worry any and look forward instead to whatever comes, for half the fun is in the happening and life is but a great Adventure - Just thought I'd share that with you.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[GANDALF –]

GANDALF –

I was submitting my latest post at the same time as your post, so I am posting this now in response to your post above.

Thank you for that highly illuminating information regarding Robert Monroe's work.  I have not previously heard of him, but then I'm not able to read very much with my exptremely poor eyesight, so I don't go looking and instead simply take what my guide channels through me.

I am always fascinated when I come across other channelings that correlate with what I have been telepathically told.  And Monroe is no exception to this.  Although I've never read any of his writings other than what you present above, from reading your post account there is very close correlation indeed to your descriptions (as summarised, I presume).  In fact, there is total agreement with what has been channeled to me with one exception – and that is with regard to humans on the earth.

You write:

quote: The only claim we have to being unique in any way is that there is a slight chance that we may have been the first planetary civilisation to be created, if Monroe's vision of the early history of earth is true. According to his vision, after the great success of the earth 'garden', others started creating their own gardens and they are now widespread throughout the universe. The problem is that while other civilisations seem to have progressed quite rapidly, we are stuck, which is why so many other civilisations are way ahead of us, even if we were here first!

I refer to the parts in the above quote that I have made *bold* and *underlined*.  In those there is a discrepancy between what is said and what has been channeled to me.  This does not mean that Monroe is wrong however, since it depends on the context of the actual channeling he received, and what Monroe himself may have omitted to preserve clarity in making a point at that time.  I, myself, do not reveal all that is given to me since perspectives are being broached that depend on a firm foundation at each stage – and in this particular regard the point about 'planetary civilization' is another landscape in itself predating the Earth by many millions of years.

Briefly, we are the 5th of a series of discrete evolutions [I mention the first High Civilization connection between the Sumerians and Nibruans in my above post] after other separate evolutions of 'human-like' species on other planets, and joining us on 'planet earth' are those souls that went through a period of genetic evolution on other planets.  They in turn were brought from other star-systems to our Solar System before the Earth was 'inhabited'.  That history is long and often with much pain in their evolution.  Always, towards the end of fixed periods, 2600 and 5200 years in our notion of 'time' they were visited increasingly by the Pleiadians, who were and always have been, in the background monitoring evolutionary progress.  There came a time when the Earth was chosen as a new habitation for souls, and initially 'humans' were created.  These were later joined by souls that had genetic evolutions on the other worlds.  It is for this reason that we see differences in physical appearance, and even in wide differences in cultures.  I may write more on this at a later time, concerning other planetary evolution.  But, since at the moment the focus is on UFOs then your contribution regarding Robert Monroe in general is very welcome.  And, as I said, such discrepancies as may appear on the surface are very often just a matter of context in the broader picture.

So, once again, thank you very much  for your illuminating and corroborative account.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[TravellinBob –]

TravellinBob –

Alien 'encounters' take many forms, from the 'dream-state' to the 'conscious' to the so-called 'abduction'.  But, of those that are examined, the validity of such experiences is found in the close correlation of details in the content.  There will always be a certain number of reported occurrences that are distorted views of what really happened, and this is because the conscious mind later 'imposes' conditioning, fears of the unknown and even a desire to make those incidents 'plausible' to others by unconsciously emphasising or de-emphaisising certain features in that experience.  When I have interviewed such people, it almost always emerges that there are additional facts that have been 'forgotten' for various reasons.  So, I always usggest that, as soon as possible after such an occurrence, the person should write a detailed account of what transpired.  In the case of lucid and prophetic or premonitional dreams especially this is important so as to see clearly what the cognitive mind will otherwise try to interpret in other ways. I used to have, starting from the early '70s, very lucid and detailed prophetic dreams, which I not only fully wrote down but also showed to at least one other person at the time.  Those 'dreams' incidentally were seen in due course to all come true in every detail.  I don't have those type of dreams any longer, since there is no need now due to the 'abilities' I have been given (and which actually started to be given to me as increased clairvoyance since 1985) and now including instant telepathic communication with any species I am linked up to to by my guide, not only in 'audio' but visually also and including 'visits' arranged in time, space or other dimensions.  In actuality, the so-called 'dream state' is a return to reality (in truth, "life is but the dream") at a time when we are not in our perceived 'waking reality'.  The only type of dream that I have had since is the 'teaching' type, for purposes of my training – and these were to show me clearly how a 'dream situation' is really a virtual play-out to test how a person would think and react if a given sequence of 'events' were presented in our waking life.  These of course would not be the obvious, and therefore not necessarily according to our view of the dream 'scenario', because if that were the case then we might remember the dream and just follow that dream sequence and thus avoid the lesson that would be presented.  That is how the guides work in the background of our perceived reality here on Earth, and which is not understood by those who write about 'Dream Interpretation', so my guide has asked me to address these things at this time.

On the general subject of dream interpretation, many 'theories' abound in attempts to make sense of these phenomena that occur in our 'sleeping state' – from the notion that what we eat before retiring affects our dreams (cheese, bananas etc, have been put forward) to so-called cognitive 'associaton' (a dream fragment being 'symbolic' of something in our waking 'reality', some suggest) where the mind is said to be trying to 'work out' and make sense of everyday issues as we sleep.  Both these 'theories' are true in the sense that our sleep and waking modes are two different levels of consciousness.  However, what really is happening there is that the 'dream' is making links or a bridge between the subconscious and the conscious, testing and even opening up the mind in some instances to new perceptions.   As I have mentioned and alluded to in several of  my other posts, a dream can be an actual 'visit' while in that subconscious state and remembered later, or it can be the 'play-out' type or similar (in which I give the analogy of the guide putting in a kind holographic-video that – which is assembled for that very exercise or experience appertaining to the person's prescribed needs – and which can actually be 'stepped into'  for the person to 'experience' in dream state, and pressing <play> - during which the guides also make notes!).  I have actually been permitted to witness what goes on in the 'background' as such a 'video' is prepared and then given, even to the 'lead-in' and 'tail' which the dreaming person never sees but which sets programming parameters for linking the subconscious with the later conscious mind.  These things have been given to me so that I can better do my 'job' in pulling the various pieces - as people perceive them - of the jig-saw puzzle together; in effect, I know what goes on in the "office" (as my guide describes the various 'departments' dealing with all matters appertaining to human beings).

In the case of your specific 'dream' TravellinBob, it is clearly what the TV people's in-house studio jargon calls an "actuality" scenario – it really happened, in other words.  Whether you consciously remember all of it is another matter, and also what 'colouration' your waking mind has imposed on it.  I checked with my guide, as I always do, and she confirmed after checking the (akashic) records that this was so.  You are on a 'list' of many people who are from time to time, as and when deemed appropriate, given such 'dreams' or other types of encounters (depending on the person, and what is required).

Where you say: <<" Then they woke me up with a strong vibration all over my body. (The obe vibes)">> this is not always the method of awakening a person and there are several employed if it is felt necessary for the person to awake at that time – all of which are effective, and reinforce in the mind a then conscious-memory of what has transpired.  In your case, it also formed a link to other events in your life, and also those that would come about which you could also relate to this and other avenues of exploration you would feel drawn down.  Thus, the Aliens work to enlighten - and are, as they told, you 'in contact' with many, and also seek to form regular links with them, as well as such 'societies' that are themselves seeking further enlightenment.  'Mystical' societies are in every way more likely to seek contact than others, but – as I stressed in my earlier post – this is not about 'group' consensus, but only about individual awareness of the true reality.  Sadly, groups are prone to distorted messages from over zealous leaders of those groups, so close attention and open sharing of what each individual gains contact to is vital to avoid misperceptions and especially the 'closed society' menality of some.  You were given that specific information so that you could investigate further, and increase your inner-development along with awareness, but always you will develop better from an individual point of view at each stage as your perspective increases, and 'Mystical Societies' or any such group are merely stepping-stones to observe, rather than become part of what is in such groups by their very nature a coloured 'belief-system', where only the few 'know' the reality (if indeed they clearly do see it).  On the contrary, what is now more and more being perceived to be happening in the world is open for ALL, and the lone-individual sharing such knowledge as is given to them is more likely to have an unclouded view as they progress.

You go on to say:

quote: 2 days later a mass sighting of a UFO was seen in my city complete with photos in the front page of the newspapers. And also around that time a series of interviews with UFO contactee Sixto Paz from Peru began to show up on the sunday´paper for 3 weeks in a row. This "coincidence" has led me to believe that this might have been a real contact.

The situation with regard to 'sightings' of UFOs has been especially intensely active recently in South America, with many reporting individual contacts also of various kinds, even more than incidents reported from other places at times where there has seen to be a 'focus' regarding Aliens.  In our recent history there have been corroborated sightings from many highly credible sources.  In World War II, for example, pilots were reporting seeing (and even having actual close encounters) with Alien Craft of incredible technology, and post-war (1947 brough a general awareness) there have been many such sightings that, on examination, closely correlate.  Many sightings that military airfoce pilots and radar operatiors witnessed have been heavily suppressed, but sufficent have come forward to tell their incredible encounters.

In Britain in the 1970s there were a large number of sightings and actual 'encounters' around the area known as the 'Pennines' and centred on the moors around Keighley, Todmorden and Halifax (I have lived close by or in those areas – and there is a very strong 'magnetic' feel about those surroundings that I have not felt elsewhere).  Elsewhere though, such as the Midlands of the UK, there was a mass sighting of an incredibly huge Spacecraft passing over a large town there which thousands of people witnessed, and this (the Mothership) took a whole 20 minutes to pass by, and filled much of the sky as it did so.  This 'spacecraft' that all attested to seeing, was reported to have been at least half a mile in diameter as they perceived it (in actual fact, the Mothership is 1.5 miles in diameter – but this would have been difficult for the onlookers to 'estimate' just looking up from ground level since there were no relative reference points to ascertain with any accuracy the actual height and thus its true size).

Though much is now available on the internet, the serious researcher should always seek the source, rather than just quoting what other researchers often offer and which may be inadequately sourced.  Very often, therefore, it is the initial reportage and books of that time of 'prime research' that give the best picture that may later, unfortunately, become hyped up by researchers going down rabbit-holes of their choice and bias rather than giving a balanced and focussed view.  Two excellent no-hype books that I can recommend to get the reader thinking and for further investigation (the Pendulum is ideal for that) are:

<THE FIRE CAME BY: The riddle of the great Siberian explosion>
by John Baxter and Thomas Atkins (both highly credible researchers).
The above book explores what Isaac Asimov is quoted as saying "One of the greatest scientific riddles of all time".  The Russian government is far more openly interested in pursuing UFO and related phenomena than the West, and even has offices in Moscow where anyone can go in and share their experiences so there is a vast amount of documentation that the Western Governments do not seek to know about publically, and in fact resist all attempts by Russia to make those generally public outside its borders.  So, this book goes to the souce of what happened in 1908 there, and much background information is presented.

<THE PENNINE UFO MYSTERY> by Jenny Randles.  Randles is a very serious and world respected researcher and investigator into such things, and she documents here the startling facts of the investigation into this in great detail.

In the case of such books that are now out of print, the easiest route for obtaining them is through www.amazon.com since Amazon has a large network of people who can supply rare and out of print books very often in mint condition, and I have used this excellent service myself when wanting to source references concerning ancient Egypt which were not otherwise available, and all that is required is to type in the title and Amazon will offer suppliers, details and prices which you can then choose from and purchase if you wish in complete money-back safety.

Another book that is worth reading, is
<ABDUCTION: Human Encounters With Aliens> by John E. Mack, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.
It has to be pointed out, that such books as this are not always 100% accurate, and some fall far short of this.  But, in the Pleiadian teachings there is no "thou shalt not read", rather it is the Pleiadian teaching that all should be read – even disinformation – to obtain a balanced view, and especially to get away from the 'closed mind' mentality; the more one reads on the topic will, in general if approached with a positive attitude lead to further questions to explore and thus be enlightened.  To do otherwise is to promote and promulgate Fear of the unknown.  Always remember, that Love is the opposite of Fear, and if material being read seems to be promoting or disseminating fear by its accounts, then it should be viewed with caution and suspicion as to its motives (and/or the conditioning, and any inner-fears not adequately addressed, of the person writing it).

Misinformation is prevalant in the world today, and is woven throughout the whole subject of UFOs and anything associated with Aliens, and 'Cover-Ups' along with 'Conspiracy Theories' abound and are hotly debated.  The whole thing is further confused by downright lies by people with ego-enhancing personal agendas, as well as the pbulication-bandwagon that seeks to make vast amounts of money out of anything that is sensational, controversial and therefore can whet the public appetite in order to ring the cash registers ever more loudly.  So, it is important to read material that is discerning so as to not fall for the hype.  The Pendulum will be found to help in this respect, so that as you peruse a list of titles it will tell you which are relevant to what you will benefit from by pursuing at that time.  Bear in mind with this as with other things, that the Pendulum knows what you need for your inner-development – and that is not necessarily to simply give you 'answers on a plate'; thus, you may find yourself reading material which (if you use your Pendulum whilst reading it, and you should do this) you will find possibly quite a few 'no' responses to what you are reading, because the object is to teach you to discern the gold from the dross and simultaneously increase your 'intuition' with growing perception.  So, users of the Pendulum should ask questions of what they are reading, to not only verify what is on the printed page but to also explore deeper, at every opportunity so that they can learn more and be better enlightened.

In the category of 'Conspiracies' and 'Cover-Ups' there are three  books that I can recommend here, because they present a very balanced view with much detailed documentation from good sources which they have thoroughly investigated:

<BEYOND TOP SECRET: The Worldwide UFO Security 'threat'> by Timothy Good – with Foreword by Admiral of the Fleet The Lord Hill-Norton GCB

<COSMIC TOP SECRET: The Unseen Agenda (Explosive Revelations of terrifying conspiracies)> --- by John King, Editor of 'UFO Reality'.

<THE STARGATE CONSPIRACY: Revealing the Truth behind extra-terrestrial contact, military intelligence and the mysteries of ancient Egypt> by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince.

It is not concerning 'conspiracies' as a subject in itself that the above three books have their merit; rather, they excel in the background information the reader gains that is very relevant to establishing a firm foundation for viewing much clearer a higher perspective and is a summary of further  good works that take the reader even further and beyond any 'conspiracy' factions that seek to cloud or smoke-screen the true reality now coming out.

Just two small examples, from the above books --- Courtney Brown is shown in context with events at the time of the Hale-Boppe Comet, when the Mothership was approaching in its tail, and those who have not read Courtney can obtain a plethora of detailed information regarding not only Remote Viewing (and all that the Majestic12 were involved with in that regard) but also full details of the Galactic Federation and their rules, channeled.  The 'cover-up' regarding the Face on Mars is also expored (or rather exploded) and a great deal of documentation has been brought to light from the files of NASA Control and the recollections of those involved at the time.  Regarding the astounding facts concerning the 'Face on Mars' and what was supressed about this, an excellent book unravels the crucial evidence including photographic and measurement data, along with verbatim transcripts of what transpired after the NASA public 'blackout' (and such 'blackouts' occurred about other things too that those "in the know" did not want the public to know, like on the moon) – so I thoroughly recommend the following book:

<MARTIAN GENESIS: The Extraterrestrial Origins of the Human Race> by Herbie Brennan
This book not only reveals with photographs and a vast wealth of information what great insights are emerging from the astounding discovery of the very large 'Face on Mars', but also gives connections to Israel and Egypt among other things, in tracing our connection with extraterrestrials in our origins.  Incidentally, although not discussed in the book is the connection of the word 'Hebrew' – my guide tells me that this was originally 'Ibiri' and the Egyptians referred to them as the Nibiri... and that, further to this, it was the Nibiruans when on their long visit to Earth, as Master Geneticists, experimented to created modern man and even cross-bred with them from their own race to create the Sumerians and imbued the Sumerian Civilization with Nibiruan teachings and philosophies.  Not all races on Earth are Nibiruan in origin (that is to say, not all are from Sirius A start system which includes obviously the 'Sirians', Greys and – by connection – the Zeta Reticuli who split in their evolution into two species), and some on Earth are from Orion origins (such as the French).  The Balinese (as a matter of interest here) are from the Pleiades, distinct from the other groups – but it is all part of a much bigger picture that the reader (especially with the Pendulum) can investigate further.

Now, on to others who have posted above in this thread recently.......

celticmagick909 -
Your account of having suddenly seen UFO activity, in the presence of others, is typical of what can happen in the 'right conditions'.  Suddenly the overall consciousness is moved up a notch, and what is not normally visible to our eyes then is made possible to come into view.  UFOs have always been there, but it takes a leap of consciousness to perceive them.  More and more over several decades now they have been seen.  We can see what we have a will to see, and what is given us to see.  And that is just what happened that night as each person saw at a higher vibrational level UFOs that were only partly in our dimension's density.  In other words, you saw with a kind of interdimensional x-ray vision what is going on in our skies, and now being seen by more and more people as our general awareness grows and becomes more receptive, thus we receive into our minds that which, even when physically visible, can extend beyond the visible spectrum into the electromagnetic and further into higher dimensions.  You will find, as you read more and reflect on these things, that you will see and experience with greater acuity of inner-vision.  But the key is always to seek new horizons of discovery without Fear.  There is much to learn, far beyond the frontiers of Man's limited perception.

SilentWitness78 -
I note your re-appearance 'back on the scene' after a long period of you being away, but as I have said many times to you – the Pendulum was given to you by Fate to explore and grow; that was a long time ago, and Fear, as you admit, has held you back, although you earnestly desire and have proclaimed on many occasions past that you want to move forward.   SeekingAnswers not only learned the Pendulum and investigated with many questions but passed through to being telepathic, all in the space of about 3 days.  So, when Fear is overcome that growth can be instant.  Therefore, I look forward to your new zeal leading to many question sessions that await you with the Pendulum, and for you to hopefully share with us your results in question/answer format along with your new thoughts following that, on this forum.  To progress each person needs to banish their Inner-Fear and, as the Native American Indian saying goes: "Walk the Talk".  It's easy to do if you just allow yourself to let go of the hand-rail of habituation, and let yourself float without Fear in the buoyant waters of new discovery; in fact, it will only be over-trying or thrashing about that will make you sink back and want to reach again for that handrail, so just relax and float toward new Adventures.

Lasher –
Thank you for your post, and your request for any suggestions.  I deferred responding until now because you have only just got your new Pendulum, and, as you say, you intended to spend time getting used to it.  So, I look forward to hearing how you've got on.

In the meantime, I have only a few comments (as other factors will arise later).  Firstly, you said that you initiated the Pendulum funtioning by asking it "Show me a 'yes', please".  As I mentioned in a previous post to a member, and which is also in the original Pendulum thread instructions..... the correct initialization should be "GIVE me a 'yes', please" (and similarly for 'no' (along with ensuring that you are in 'advanced' rather than the Dowsing 'default' mode).  Depending how strongly in your mind you project the meaning of 'give' when you use the word 'show' the Pendulum may indeed function correctly, but since not all project strongly at first it is strongly advised to use the correct word, 'Give' in that initialization, since what you are asking is for a movement to be assigned to you, or given to you in other words, and that exact movement will be different (side-side or in-out for 'yes' and the other corresponding movement for 'no') according to the genetic make-up of the individual starting to use the Pendulum.  After initialization and making absolutely sure what corresponds to 'yes' and 'no' it is possible to then say, "Show me a 'yes'" etc. So, I reiterate that point here for anyone new to the Pendulum, and also suggest any who haven't done so to read my Pendulum instruction posts carefully, since a good understanding of this tool's basics in the 'advanced' mode is essential to learning and, naturally, accuracy in use.

I note that you say the Pendulum moved "very tentatively" for you.  That reflects your present outlook, and can be expected to become more positive with confident use.  The way to confidence is simply to use it.  Like riding a bicycle, if you are not confident then the results will be predictably unpredicatle, and at the very least you will tend to 'wobble' in your efforts.  Also, don't make it an effort as such, just take it easy and don't try too hard, and it will come naturally.

You say:

quote: Ultimately, I would love it if my guide would do automatic writing with me through a pencil or keyboard. Since I am not a typist, if she were to type through me with my eyes closed, that would assure me that my own thoughts and imagination are not getting in the way.

What I read here is to do with the word 'assurance', which you feel you need in order to proceed.  In other words, you have a lack of confidence, due to various factors you have encountered in the past – many of which, I feel, have come from books.

Before I proceed to address the above quote I note another point in your post, because it appertains indirectly to all of this, ragarding confidence.    You say, elsewhere in that post, about praying for people and visualising the person with a light around them.  This is similar to what is done in Reiki 'Distant Healing' where Reiki energy is sent to a (physically or emotionally) sick or troubled person.  You say this works sometimes, but at other times – as you say – it has the effect (I quote you here): " I cannot seem to hold the image still in my mind. The image will begin making faces or acting weird or inappropriate. It's like some part of my unconscious mind is trying to mess up the prayer..
This is perfectly normal, and not your subconscious playing tricks with you, rather it is your subconscious not sending the healing because it knows something that you don't.  In Reiki Distant Healing, it is taught that one should never try to force healing on a person, and that the recipient should be willing (even if this is only at a subconscious level).  So, before sending any Distant Healing (or 'prayer', essentially the same thing in intent) a message should be 'sent out' to the person's subconscious.  That person may be thousands of miles away, but their subconscious will receive the message and respond.  If the person is not willing and receptive to healing at that time (and this does happen! you only have to be a volunteer hospital visitor to realise this is the attitude of many who are still in the stages of blaming others or similar for their 'misfortune') then the answser from their subconscious will be 'no', and this should be respected.  For this reason, any wish to heal others should always be preceded by sending the message, "Do you wish to be healed at this time?", and you will sense the response.  If in doubt, or if the picture of the person fragmentates or does not hold the energy during that transmission, then simply re-picture and say/think "I send you my best wishes" and focus your emotion into that sending, and in that way you will have transmitted energy that will be perceived by the person at a subconscious level and which they can then, if they wish, accept of their own Free Will as a 'goodwill' intent, rather than healing which they may not be ready to accept.  This Free Will aspect is clearly evidenced when giving Reiki energy/love to an animal, especially cats and dogs, but all kinds in general will respond in a similar way.  Your pet or any other animal will enjoy the Reiki energy given when your hands are held on either side of the animals head (or body, if small).  But, the animal will move away as soon as it has received enough energy, and that should again be taken as a clear sign, because even animals have a right to Free Will, so nothing should ever be imposed – whether on humans or animals.  That then, is the answer to your misconception, and any other similar apparent 'mischief' that the mind seems to play has its origin in such factors, or is due to conditioning (read about or absorbed over time).  The cure to this is always to simply free the mind, let go of preconceptions and go with what is in front of you now, with full quiet confidence that you will be guided.

Directly relating to the above quote, it is best not to look to far into the future.  You will find yourself guided in the right direction, as you grow.  And though your desire at the moment is towards 'Automatic Writing', that is only one of many ways that channeling and similar communication can be done.  It really depends on what your guide decides is the most appropriate both for yourself and what they wish to do through you as the 'vehicle'.  You may, for instance, find the 'gift' of Psychometry given to you.  This is something that I do if appropriate.  And the word 'appropriate is key in all of this, because it depends on situations, especially what is needed in interaction with others in order to help them and what they need to 'link' to.  Very often people are afraid of one thing but not of another – so, some will shudder at the thought of having a Tarot reading and recoil from the though of it (because of misperceptions about such as the Death card etc), whilst others will be put off by the thought (to them, in their way of thinking) that they are witnessing some sort of disembodied entity taking over your hand to do guided (automatic).  Some clients are not able to take the idea of telepathy or the notion of any non-physical communication, so in such instances I find that the Pendulum, or holding an object in my hand and being able to visualize through it (Psychometry) gives the client something to relate to... a physical object is moving or is in use, and quite apparently giving answers.  I recall giving a Psychometry reading to a professional Tarot reader who had called at my girlfriend's house – and even he (a professional) was shocked that I was able, just by holding his pencil, to describe in detail the front of his house, his living room and the contents of a Display cabinet that was the cause of a relationship problem he had not been able to come to terms with, despite his long experience at Tarot.

So, it could well be that a range of 'gifts' will be given to you, but certainly whatever will be given will be what you required, so just allow yourself to be guided at each stage.  I look forward to you sharing your experiences with the Pendulum and other aspects as you get more used to it.  Just remember, quiet positive confidence is all you need – the guides do the rest!

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.