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I was in an oak forest and I came to an opening in the forest.
The sunbeams came from the treetops down to me.
It was very beutiful but I had to lay down and close my eyes.
Then I saw this undescribable pattern with bright colors that
I never had seen before. The colors were different from any colors that I had seen.

I felt that I had contact with an entity.
I tried to understand what the colors and patterns represented,
but then the spirit said to me:

I am trying to show you something that you have never seen before
and you are destroying it.

So I relaxed, just flowed with it and experienced the colors.
I just knew in some way that this felt just like dying, and this made
me uneasy.
So after a while I opened my eyes and looked at the forest again.
I didn't have any hallucinations but everything felt different.
I felt like I had died and had been reborn in the same body.

Then I closed my eyes and saw the patterns and colors again.
After a while I tried to understand it again. But I began to feal
weak, confused and like I was dying. I hadn't eaten
anything that day, which was a mistake. When I opened my eyes
I was very confused and ran around in the forest for a while.
I needed more energy, so I ate some cookies. Unfortunally, this almost ended
the effects of ayahuasca for this time.

It seemed like the information on this plane could not be understood, but only experienced.
It also seems like you need some spirit guide to visit this plane.
I don't know for sure if this was the mental plane. How can you know
for sure if it's really that plane? Anyway, the mental plane is
just a name, you can call it other things.

quote:Originally posted by Lasher

quote:Originally posted by DrShaman

I can describe my experience more if anyone is interested.

I'm interested.
Go for it!  [8D]

Lasher

quote:Originally posted by pod3

As someone who has learned to test the edibility of strange plants in the wild by minute tastes, I have noticed similar properties between adaptogens and hallucinogens. In their pure states, in the proper dosage, either cause synesthesia with no harm or byproduct residue. I have some abilities in this regard to begin with and find that these substances only act to sharpen them. Maybe psychological harm only happens to those with no outlets through which to process this sort of imagery? Perhaps those people have instantaneously eroded the insular universe they created in order to compensate for things which they could not deal with. Anyway, what I saw made perfect sense to me.

If you are growing plants, I would be interested in compensating for viable starts in the US, in accordance with legally sanctioned religious usage.

Yea, it seems like no one knows the frequency of the astral plane.
Here is a lot for science to investigate in the future. Occult literature often say that the mental plane is on a higher frequency than the astral plane. How could we be certain of that?

quote:Originally posted by James S

quote:This would seem to mean that if these particles could slowed down from their incredibly fast vibrations then we would be able to experience them (or maybe our scientists could).

Might this be what happens when ghosts manifest themselves?

If indeed the astral and mental planes are based upon energy, then yes they would operate whithin a range of frequencies. Photons are a good example of a particle to use here as photons exhibit characteristics of both particle and wave, so these particles can exist at different frequencies. Also consider that all matter, at the very core of its structure, is energy.

Adrian mentioned that frequencies in the astral are orders of magnitude greater than in the physical world. I agree entirely with this viewpoint, and it's what I believe is the essence of why the physical and astral realms coexist in the same location at the same time. Data can be transmitted via microwave and via FM radio through the same space at the same time. What keeps them separate is their frequency.

In the case of the difference between astral and physical, I see it as more like a quantums difference in both energy and frequency. E.G. if you take an atom, introduce a quantum of energy, the electrons are able to make a jump to higher orbits, and it becomes a different type of atom.

I don't believe we currently have the instrumentation to measure the frequencies of all energies present in the physical plane, let alone the astral.

James.

Yea, that was what I wrote
in one of my earlier postings. But fealings are on the astral plane too.

quote:Originally posted by Frank

quote:Originally posted by DrShaman

The frequency range of the psysical plane is all radiation
from psysical objects, ranging from IR or lower to UV or higher.

The frequency range of the astral plane is the radiation of emotions... nope.

The frequency range of the Astral plane is all radiation
from Astral objects, ranging from [known Astral lower] to [known Astral higher]. Whatever those lower and higher ranges happen to be, of course.

Yours,
Frank

If it's electromagetic waves, ofcourse it can be measured. If it's not possible now, it's because our tools aren't good enough. But I'm not sure that all the frequencies on the astral plane are that enourmously high that you say. Some might be in the UV-spectrum.

You talk about both acoustic waves (The frequency range of the human ear ) and electromagetic waves.
These are two different things.

quote:Originally posted by Adrian

Greetings DrShaman,

quote:Originally posted by DrShaman

I have searched the net to find the frequency of the astral and mental planes. I have not found one article or web site with this information. If this is electromagnetic radiation, it's just a question of how many Hz , and it must be possible to find that
frequency-range. So does anyone know if anyone has measured the frequency of the astral plane?

It is beyond calculation. Consider physical frequencies:

The frequency range of the human ear extends to about 40,000 vibrations per second

Electricity is around one billion vibrations per second

Heat comes in at around two hundred billion vibrations per second

Light and colour are at around five hundred billions of vibrations per second

X-Rays are at around two trillion vibrations per second

Yet these are still extremely crude, low vibrational aspects of the physical world. The Astral worlds alone are at rates of vibration that cannot be calculated - yet anyway - but are many, many orders of magnitude greater than the energies mentioned above. And of course these vibrations increase again through the levels of the Astral and Mental worlds until reaching The All, who vibrates so fast as to be considered almost to be at a stand-still.

With best regards,

Adrian.

The frequency range of the psysical plane is all radiation
from psysical objects, ranging from IR or lower to UV or higher.
The frequency range of the astral plane is the radiation of emotions, spirits and other entities on that plane.

According to occult literature, the mental plane is on a higher
frequency than the astral plane. But how high that frequency is, is never mentioned. Scientists will never take this seriously, if we just talk about frequencis, but not how high they are and what kind of frequency.

How do we know that the mental plane is on a higher
frequency than the astral plane if we never measured them?
Acording to my own experience, the mental plane contains other information than the astral, but I'm not sure that it's on a higher frequency than the astral.

quote:Originally posted by Helmut

Hi all,

I think the question is not well defined. I think there are all kind of frequencies present in all dimensions. You can also ask what frequency defines our physical plane, then you see the laking logic behind this question.

You can however ask what is the frequency of the brain(waves), when one perceives the different levels! Or what frequencies are use to entrain the brain to have access to these levels.

I have commented on the Monroe frequencies on another topic http://www.astraldynamics.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4412. :

" from all of Monroes books, including his biography: catapult and the TMI materials, I got the suspicion that the focus level actually is a direct reference to the (highest) frequencies used to attain these levels. It is not that simple! As I told you, they use a sophisticsted mixture of different signals. What I found out is, that

Focus 10 is mainly 4hz hemi-sync
Focus 12 is mainly 10hz hemi-sync
Focus 21 is mainly 16hz hemi-sync
allways together with low frequency signals, tones, music and pink noise.

So this did not quite confirm my theory, but I think one can see the system behind.
Its also quite sure that TMI sells a defused version only of their original resident programms and this could also imply, that they lowered the frequencies used. In this case my original theory would still hold. They sure lowered some of the signal volumes to make it saver for beginners."

Helmut

I think it would be possible to find the frequency by measuring the energy transfer during telepathy. Just measure the frequency of emotional transfer between people, and you'd find the frequency of the astral plane. And measure the frequency of thought transfer between people, and you'd find the frequency of the mental plane.

quote:Originally posted by greatoutdoors

Frank, I picked up pretty quickly on your "Smiley" -- I just wonder if I missed one in Dr. Shaman's post. How can you measure the frequency until you can reliably and consistently produce quantifiable phenomena? Isn't that the Holy Grail we're seeking?

Yea, you're right. But doesn't somebody know the frequence reange of the astral plane?

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover

there is time in the astral, or else anyone experienced with astral projection could stay so long that they could very well get bored of ap'ing in just one successful trip.

there is time in the astral, and even in dimensions above it. it just gradually thins out into nonexistance around the dimension that the heaven-like place exists.. from the astral on, it's severely warped and distorted until it becomes meaningless. this is all in astral dynamics.