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I will have good news for you. I had developed a few new methods for achieving astral projections. With them i had very very vivid projections. I had brilliant experiences. Once i was in a city and an earthquake has happened. That was an outstanding experience. Buildings were crashing over me. Once i had been in a war fighting with guns and bombs. I am happy that I saved my life.

I dont know if they were some akashic records though.

About the new method: I use it combined with the triangle method. Energy body stimulation is easier with the new method. Also i have an other new method for getting used to the astral body sensations.

I am sure these will all be helpful for the astral projectors. But i need a little more time to put it all together.

P.S. I see everyone is talking about the triangle method. I have to mention that the method doesnt belong to me. The triangle method belongs to Astral Pulse Forums. Without these forums i wouldnt have found the idea. So its not "Birm's triangle method" but "The Astral Pulse's Triangle Method."

So see you soon.
With best regards,
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As seen on the above post and the others, muslim people does not answer your questions personally. Instead they refer to quran and find the answer there. You can also read it find your own answers. Everybody is responsible on themselves. I hope god will shed a light on you...
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2:62 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

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quote:To me, the first two quotes above sound contradictory. How can God be all compassionate and merciful, and yet also not allow for any respite?

As you can see in the above post He is merciful to the believers and He is merciless to the unbelievers and who reject Him.
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The Moon

In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder. But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is (but) transient magic." They reject (the warning) and follow their (own) lusts but every matter has its appointed time. There have already come to them Recitals wherein there is (enough) to check (them), Mature wisdom;- but (the preaching of) Warners profits them not. Therefore, (O Prophet,) turn away from them. The Day that the Caller will call (them) to a terrible affair, They will come forth,- their eyes humbled - from (their) graves, (torpid) like locusts scattered abroad, Hastening, with eyes transfixed, towards the Caller!- "Hard is this Day!", the Unbelievers will say.

Before them the People of Noah rejected (their apostle): they rejected Our servant, and said, "Here is one possessed!", and he was driven out. Then he called on his Lord: "I am one overcome: do Thou then help (me)!" So We opened the gates of heaven, with water pouring forth. And We caused the earth to gush forth with springs, so the waters met (and rose) to the extent decreed. But We bore him on an (Ark) made of broad planks and caulked with palm- fibre: She floats under our eyes (and care): a recompense to one who had been rejected (with scorn)! And We have left this as a Sign (for all time): then is there any that will receive admonition?

But how (terrible) was My Penalty and My Warning?

And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

The 'Ad (people) (too) rejected (Truth): then how terrible was My Penalty and My Warning?

For We sent against them a furious wind, on a Day of violent Disaster, Plucking out men as if they were roots of palm-trees torn up (from the ground). Yea, how (terrible) was My Penalty and My Warning!

But We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

The Thamud (also) rejected (their) Warners. For they said: "What! a man! a Solitary one from among ourselves! shall we follow such a one? Truly should we then be straying in mind, and mad! "Is it that the Message is sent to him, of all people amongst us? Nay, he is a liar, an insolent one!" Ah! they will know on the morrow, which is the liar, the insolent one! For We will send the she-camel by way of trial for them. So watch them, (O Salih), and possess thyself in patience! And tell them that the water is to be divided between them: Each one's right to drink being brought forward (by suitable turns). But they called to their companion, and he took a sword in hand, and hamstrung (her).

Ah! how (terrible) was My Penalty and My Warning!

For We sent against them a single Mighty Blast, and they became like the dry stubble used by one who pens cattle. And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

The people of Lut rejected (his) warning. We sent against them a violent Tornado with showers of stones, (which destroyed them), except Lut's household: them We delivered by early Dawn,- As a Grace from Us: thus do We reward those who give thanks. And (Lut) did warn them of Our Punishment, but they disputed about the Warning. And they even sought to snatch away his guests from him, but We blinded their eyes. (They heard:) "Now taste ye My Wrath and My Warning."

Early on the morrow an abiding Punishment seized them:  "So taste ye My Wrath and My Warning." And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

To the People of Pharaoh, too, aforetime, came Warners (from God). The (people) rejected all Our Signs; but We seized them with such Penalty (as comes) from One Exalted in Power, able to carry out His Will.  Are your Unbelievers, (O Quraish), better than they? Or have ye an immunity in the Sacred Books?  Or do they say: "We acting together can defend ourselves"?  Soon will their multitude be put to flight, and they will show their backs.  Nay, the Hour (of Judgment) is the time promised them (for their full recompense): And that Hour will be most grievous and most bitter.  Truly those in sin are the ones straying in mind, and mad.  The Day they will be dragged through the Fire on their faces, (they will hear:) "Taste ye the touch of Hell!"  Verily, all things have We created in proportion and measure.  And Our Command is but a single (Act),- like the twinkling of an eye.  And (oft) in the past, have We destroyed gangs like unto you: then is there any that will receive admonition? All that they do is noted in (their) Books (of Deeds): Every matter, small and great, is on record.

As to the Righteous, they will be in the midst of Gardens and Rivers, In an Assembly of Truth, in the Presence of a Sovereign Omnipotent.

quote:Brim, if you remember could you describe what the people looked like and if there were anybody there that didn't look human or astral entities?

Well on the first island my sight was never clear enough to identify the people or entities clearly. Only the cabin was solid. There were writings on the sands but they were unreadable. But on the new island everything was clear and real.

I am just posting my observations. I dont want to comment on them.

quote:Wow! that is AWESOME, Birm! I tried last night..but fell asleep..lol Must go to bed a wee bit earlier I think. My visuals were pretty good but could be better, I am going to print out the picture of the Island so I may look at it thru out the day.

Hi Nay,

I fell asleep sometimes too. So trying in the morning is better. Or try when you came home after work before having dinner. Actually i looked at the picture a few times since it has been posted.

Best Regards,
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Hi there,

I had two seperate experiences in the last weekend.

On my first experience with API i was shocked! There were two islands! You could see one from the other. I thought i was in a wrong place so i blacked out conciously and tried to deepen my conciousness after then i travelled back. But there were two islands again!!! I landed on the first one. It was crowded. There was a group people sitting on the sands. And there were a lot of writings on the sands. I fly over the island and looked at the other one. It was the same island with the pyramid. I travelled to the second island, landed on the sands. It looked more solid to me. Everything was looking like the picture. I looked at the pyramid door. It was closed. I travelled to the first island again. I looked at the pyramid door and this one was open. So i decided to talk to someone. I stood next to a man and said "Hello", He said "Hi", then suddenly i found myself in my room. I was in Real time zone. This man was standing next to me in my room. I got confused. I talked with the man but i dont remember about the conversation now.

The second experience is as follows: I laid on my bed and started the triangle method. I had the intention to deepen the trance state as far as i could in order to get a better view. I had doubts about the last experience. After 15 minutes i started to hear voices. I concentrated on the voices i realized someone was talking to me. I started talking with the voice. We started to talk in turkish. I realized that i was translating the answers to english. The voice asked "Why are you repeating me?" I said i want to remember this conversation after the projection. The voice said "it is ok" I thought i might be talking to myself and i decided to travel to API. As i arrive i saw the two islands again. I said "I am doing something wrong!" I went to the first island and saw those people there again. I saw a cabin on the right side of the island. I travelled to the second island again and pyramid door was closed. And nobody was there. I went back to the first island. I looked for Andrea. (I met with him before on API.) I found him and asked "What happened here?" He said "This usually happens..." I said "What are you doing here." He said "My job is to wait here." I said "Are you waiting the island?" He said "Yes. I keep track of the changes." I said "There is an island over there." He said "Yes they made it a while ago." I said "It is crowded here" He said "This usually happens in the astral. Some places become popular time to time." I said "I have to go, i have got some work to do." He said "See you later." I got up to write the experience down.
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Thanks for the answer Jeff. I totally agree with you.
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I want to remind the projectors about one thing. When you enter the pyramid try to exit en re-enter. Because you may end up in a different place when you enter. I dont know the reason but sometimes when i enter and exit i find myself in a different place. But When i exit if i find myself in the island i can be sure that i entered the right pyramid.
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you said you must hear a sounds that goes "sss" i dont seem to hear that what can ido ?!

Well you can hear it if you can focus enough. Here is a very helpful exercise: When you are about to sleep try to listen the outside sounds while your eyes closed. Look behind your closed eyes while listening the sounds outside. Soon you will start to see some images. Dont concentrate on the images just let them come and go, continue concentrating on the outside sounds. Dont think about the outside sounds just hear them. Pretend you are asleep and listen outside. Think: "These sounds are coming from outside while we are asleep." This way your sleeping reflex will be triggered and your physical body will start to relax. At that point you may realize the sound i am talking about.

Another way to hear the sound is staying awake for a long time. Lets suppose you havent slept for 16-20 hours. You are very sleepy. Lay down on your bed and try to listen.

One another way is to be drunk. Yes! When i am drunk i can hear the sound very clearly and loud. But alcohol takes all of your energy to project. So you wont be able to project but you can realize the sound.

Another way is to try listening when you just wake up. Before getting off the bed try to listen to the sound.

Hope this helps,
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Hi jeff,

Thank you for answering the questions. I agree with your answers but there is one thing i want to add to your comments.

quote:There is nothing really complicated about it, and the hardest part you'll find is trying to stay focused, because your mind will want to wander to other things.

A wandering mind is not a bad thing in my opinion. Because the wandering mind deepens the trance state automatically. For example when you start seeing images and visions, you may watch them and wander around the images and/or visions for a while. This helps the visions to become clearer. If you focus on your astral hearing sensations the same rules apply. When you hear something just wait and dont do anything about it. Just like listening to the next room in your house. You can hear outside but you cannot do anything about it. Taking your time with the hypnagogic images or sounds pulls you into the astral environment. You may fall asleep when doing this. So i suggest to try when you wake up in the morning. Because at night you are trying not to fall asleep while in the morning your body is relaxed and well rested so you are trying to wake your mind. Trying in the morning is easier.

I also think the hardest part is to stay awake while your physical body falls asleep.

Hope this helps,
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quote:Have you used any self-hypnosis tapes or CD's to help you?

Well, i used Bwgen software with the DeepMind IV preset for a while. It helped me to understand how to enter the trance state. After learning how to enter the trance state and what trance feels like. I uninstalled the Bwgen from my computer. I dont use it right now. But it is useful if you are a begginer.
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Hi there,

First of all I want to thank you for your kind comments about my experiences.

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Jeff wrote:

Brim....just wanted to thank you for posting your experiences with the API. I continue to find encouragement in your posts. I don't know if you read my attempt to reach the API, but I'm definitely getting closer. I think my astral navigation is a little off right now, because I ended up going to some pyramid in Peru!

Yes Jeff, I read your post and i have a few comments on it. Sometimes i end up on different islands or different places too. Whenever i realize that i am not on API, i start to float over the ocean again in order to find API. There are a lot of places to visit on the astral and API is just one of them.

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I am pleased you entered the pyramid. Nita had left some people there teaching things, it sounds as if there were some others Astral residents there as well. In fact, it sounds as if API could become a vacation place for Astral residents; that would be fun!

There seems to be people making it to the Island at a lower level of consciousness; if they are members here, it is only time before they level of consciousness matches API.

Yes Adrian there are other astral residents there. This was an unexpected thing for me. I never thought i would meet with a deceased person there. It was also a very educational experience. Our Astral Locale is becoming popular. []

jc84corvette, I prefer asking these kind of questions to the people i meet in the astral. Because they know better about the environment as they are belonging there. And We are just visitors...
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Hi greatoutdoors,

In order to Astral Project you have to move in to an ALTERED STATE OF CONCIOUSNESS.

The purpose of this technique is to concentrate on your astral senses and forget about your physical senses. This way your physical body will fall asleep but your conciousness will stay aware of it.

When your body is asleep and your conciousness is aware of it. You are in an altered state of conciousness.

You can hear real world sounds that you have heard before while using this tecnique. I always hear people talking, animal sounds, sometimes sounds come from the furniture.

When you hear such sounds all you have to do is: Wait. Dont be distracted by the sounds. It is just like seeing images when you close your eyes from a wide awake position. You are concentrating on you astral hearing sensation. But you can close your eyes while you cannot close your ears.

Hope this helps,
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Dear Nita,

Yes the signs are made of wood. I am very pleased and amazed about this! WOW!

Here is the latest experience:

Sunday morning. I woke up at 10:25 and decided to go to API. I started to do the triangle method, after a while i started to float over the ocean and i ended up to API. I looked at the signs first and tried to read them. I read the "to Pyramid" sign and entered the pyramid. The room was very solid this time. It was very real. There were doorways on the left and right walls. There were carvings on the opposite wall of the main entrance. The carvings looked like the eqyptian pictographic writings. In front of the opposite wall a man was standing. And a woman was standing next to the entrance. I took a look at the room on the right and the mummy was there so i decided to take a look at the other room. As i enter the room i saw a blackboard on the wall and a teacher with eyeglasses was giving a lesson. I looked around and i saw desks and students. It was a classroom. I sat one of the desks and tried to listen to the teacher. He was teaching about farming. He mentioned a big river. He told things about floods. I tried to talk to the students but they said "hush, listen to the lesson." I got out of the classroom and talked to the woman standing next to the door. I asked her name again and she said "stazz" then i said "never mind," I got out and walked to the right side. I saw a gray frozen man. I tried to wake him. I talked to him. I said "You should go deeper!" But i couldnt help. So I turned around and went to the dock. I saw someone next to the boat and he was frozen and gray too. I tried to wake him too but didnt work. So it was looking so real that i decided to enjoy the experiment and i started to examine the trees on the shore. Suddenly i saw a little boy sitting next to a tree. I said "Hi" and he said "Hi there" I said "What is your name?" He said "Andrea" I was suprised to understand his name. I said "Where are you from?" He said "Australia" I said "Are you a projector?" He said "No." I said "Are you living in the physical world?" He said "I lived once." I said "Why are you looking like a boy?" He said "Because, I want to look like this."I said can you help me to explore the island?" He said "Ok, lets go." We went to the frozen man on the shore. I tried to wake him again and I asked the boy about it. He said "No there is nothing you can do about him." I said "Why?" He said "He is not focused enough. He is in a lower level of conciousness." I said "Which focus level am i in now?" He said "Focus 27." I said "27? Does Astral Pulse Island exist on Focus 27??" He said "No this place exists in all the planes. You are currently on level 27." I said "Why are you calling it 27?" He said "I am not. You understand what i am saying as Focus 27." I said "So that means your senses are different than my senses." He said "Yes. Some animals see the physical world black and white you know. But humans see in colors." I said "So which level is these frozen people?" He said "The one here is Focus 3 and the one over there is Focus 10. He is moving towards Focus 12 time to time as i see." I said "So I am seeing this place as i want to???" He said "Yes, your mind interprets the energy located here." I said "So i may not understand the things i had never seen before." He said "Not exactly. You may see a monster, but it can be someone hurt. He may be spreading negative energy around." I said "What do you see when you look at me?" A religious conversation started here. I dont want to share these conversations as they are very personal... But the last thing he said was "All of the religions point the same thing. The religions are tools for you to reach your goal." I said "What is the goal then?" He said "I would tell you but you wouldnt interpret it correctly. And I am forbidden to tell that." At that time my phone started to ring so the session had ended.
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Are you talking about Tinitis (I think I'm spelling it right)? That's a ringing in the ears I have had since I can remember. Someone on this thread posted that she heard "cricket" sounds -- sometimes this sounds like crickets, sometimes it's just a high-pitched tone. Is the sound you are describing the same as this and, if not, how do you hear it above the constant ringing?

I have never heard of the word "Tinitis" but yes that is a ringing in the ears. I am describing the same sound you are talking about. Do they call it Tinitis?
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Hi there,

Last night i projected to the island and interesting things happened... Here are the details...

After having a bath i laid on my bed and tried the triangle method. Soon the images turned out into visions and become clearer, i started to float on an ocean, and soon i came up to the API. I was high in the air, looking at the island. I saw the signs on the shore and decided to examine them. The signs were as i created them and i decided to enter the pyramid in order to see the changes. I entered through the doorway and i saw torches on the left and right walls. The light from the torches were glowing. I felt like i am in the computer game Tomb Raider III. I thought that i may be creating the experience then. I looked around and saw two people there, one male and one female. I tried to talk to the female. I said "Do you know nita?" and she said "yes." I said "Where is she now?" and she said "She is not here". (Is Nita a woman? I dont know...)I said "Can you talk Turkish?" and she said "I am not supposed to do so." Then i thought it was strange because i knew that my mind was interpreting the messages so i would understand it in turkish too. But the woman said she would talk in english only. I thought that was strange. I got outside of the pyramid. The woman came outside. I was floating upwards and she said "Come down." I said "I cant control myself." She said "Try harder" Then i floated down on the sands. I asked her "What is your name?" and she said something like "stz". I said "Stazee???" She repeated her name again and i said "Stacy?" Then i thought it would be a strange name for an egyptian woman. Then i said "Never mind, I cant understand your name..." So i entered the pyramid again in order to talk to someone else because it was the first time i talked to someone this long. There was a door on the right and there was a tomb in it and a mummy was walking around the tomb. Then i looked for the other rooms in the pyramid but i felt strange because the rooms were changing shape. I felt like they were changing shape so i got outside. I doubted on my projection. I looked at the signs again and they were the same as before. Then i realized that the signs were always looking the same because i had created them. But the things in the pyramid were experimental to me. Then suddenly i remembered about my aunt. She passed away 4 days ago. I tried to find her and she appeared suddenly. I said "How are you?" and she said "I am fine, how about you?" It was definetly her voice and we were talking in turkish. I said "I am doing fine anyway, so you died and it all had ended. How lucky you are... " and she said "Take your time, you will come here for sure." Then i said "Aunt, can you help me on projecting to the API?" and she said "Yes, lets go there..." Then we appeared in the Island. I was on the shore and she started flying over the island. I was amazed because it was the first time i saw someone flying in the astral. I said "Aunt, you have learned to move in the astral so quickly." and she said "Now i belong here and there are a lot of helpers here." Then i told her about the pyramid. I said "The room is changing shape, why?" and she replied "You are interpreting the energy of the locale. Just like listening to someone. Your mind is interpreting the message so you are understanding it in turkish. And you are seeing everything on your own way here." i said "This is amazing. You mean seeing is just like listening." She replied "Yes, thats why some places feel like heaven for some people while it feels like hell for others. For a poor man a thousand dollars worth a million and for a rich man a thousand dollars worth a dollar." I said "What about the physical life we are living? Is it some sort of Astral plane?" She said "Yes but physical plane is a little different. We are being tested there." She started to fly again in the air. I said "Aunt, What is your name?" I was trying to figure out about the Dynamics of the Astral. I had asked the woman in the pyramid about her name but i couldnt understand her name. So i asked my aunt her name, because i knew her name. My Aunt said "Valer" or "Varel" I was shocked. This wasnt her name. I said "Why is your name different? Are you someone else? Are you sure you are my aunt?" She said "We talk a different language here. And you are not qualified enough to understand it yet." Well everything was like in a dream but i was fully concious. So i asked her to talk in her own language. She said something like "bgkghbbhhvhhvhbh" Like someone is talking while her mouth is full of water. Then suddenly she said "Now go." I said "Why, i want to stay..." She said "You have to go now." I said "No i dont want to go. I want to explore more." She said "Go." I blacked out. I was in the void. Was that a dream? Did i projected to API? What about interpreting the island? I got confused. So until next time i will think about what i experienced.

Astral is hard to understand really. I feel like i am a stranger in a strange land.
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quote:
Brim - just to confirm - that what you left on the signs right (what Nita found)?! (hehe a nice little proof for astral projection"

Yes, i still cant believe it, i wish Nita would find them without Adrian's request to look for them. But anyway this is a real proof for myself. I am highly motivated right now on this. Everybody has their own will to believe it. I believe it and thats what bothers me.

I am very happy to prove i can project there to myself.

The sings were a little different but this is acceptable. I will go there myself to see how they look like... There must be the word "Welcome" there... And not fish but dock...

But reading is interpreting so i can accept it as true...
But i can be sure if Nita would tell us what were the signs made of...
Were they wood or metal?

I can pm anyone the correct answer before nita answers...

My Astral research goes on!!!
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He mentioned also that someone had been leaving signs around. I saw one that said this way to the pyramid. I also saw another one that said fish.

Hey this is great... This proves that the island EXISTS there...

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I added a doorway to the pyramid. I also added guides inside of the pyramid. They are depending upon what you want to see a egyptian female that looks like a tomb painting, an egyptian male that looks like a tomb painting. A representation of Anubis being the teacher about egyptian science and instructing everyone. I do have the mummy waundering around trying to wrap up his bandages and saying Hello to everyone who visits his tomb.

I will take a look at the enhancements, and report back!

With Best Regards,
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Hey, I just had a quick question.. how would you "shift" your consciousness above your head

I dont use mental hands method at all. I dont do any energy work...

To "shift" my consciousness above my head, i am waiting and I am just concentrating on my third eye and my ears. Thats all.

Hope i helped,
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quote: btw well done Birm for making it first!

Thank you Gandalf. I hope to see other people in API soon as possible.

I started to feel a doubt about my visit because nobody else has visited there yet. So i put up two welcome signs on the sands. Whenever i go there again i find them. If anybody goes there please let me know about the signs. Read them and tell me what is written please. So i can be sure i am successful.

Btw pyramid has an entrance now but it is too dark inside... I didnt put the entrance there tough...
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An interesting phrase from quran... Can be related to the astral projection... What do you think?



39:42 It is God that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that die not (He takes) during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back (from returning to life), but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed verily in this are Signs for those who reflect.

[39.42] Allah takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep; then He withholds those on whom He has passed the decree of death and sends the others back till an appointed term; most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect.

39-42. It is Allâh Who takes away the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep. He keeps those (souls) for which He has ordained death and sends the rest for a term appointed. Verily, in this are signs for a people who think deeply.
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Greetings,

In my opinion:

The noises you hear are the usual hypnagogic sounds that happen when the projection process begins. Just like the hypnagogic images that appear when you close your eyes and concentrate on your closed eyelids, concentrating on your ears makes the effect. But there is a difference:

Hearing sensation is strongly related to talking because that is the way we communicate with each other. When you see hypnagogic images you just watch them and try to react by looking at different angles. And when you hear hypnagogic sounds you try to react to them by talking. It is as simple as this.

When you try to communicate with these hypnagogic sounds by talking you will hear your inner voice but they will not answer usually. Experience it if you dont agree with me.

We use words and sentences to express our emotions and thoughts. It is very common that we translate our thoughts into sentences. When we are projecting our mind works in a different way. We are not translating our thoughts into sentences when we are asleep. Instead we are translating our thoughts and emotions into images and sounds. These are what you see and hear: your Thoughts and your Emotions.

Make experiments with the sounds and images. You will understand what i mean. Astral is a different world with different senses and different reactions, dont ever forget this.
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Greetings Adrian,

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One followup question I would like to ask is regarding the Astral senses you focus on to project. I know about focussing on the brow chakra, the third eye, but could you say more about the Astral hearing. I don't really have a CD player or whatever to try as you suggested. Is the Astral noise you rfer to like a fairly high pitched tone in your ears?

Well First of all i have to tell you that when i am in the astral i dont hear such sound. But I hear it when i lie in my bed and try to sleep. It takes about 5 minutes for the sound to start ringing. And in the morning when i wake up i can hear it before i focus into the real world.

Yes it is a fairly high pitched tone in my ears. In one of my experiments i realized that it gets louder when the vibrations come all over you. It is like you are standing on a railway and you hear a train is coming from miles away, you hear it, you wait for it, as the train gets closer the rails start to shake, you can feel the train is coming as its noise gets louder...

In my experience i think it is something like the hypnagogic images, so maybe we can call it "hypnagogic sound." Triangle method utilizes the hypnagogic sounds while phasing utilizes hypnagogic images. Here is a comparison of the two methods:

When you relax and wait for the hypnagogic images, they start to appear slowly, changing shape every moment.
When you relax and wait for the hypnagogic sound, the sound is hard to hear at first.

As you get deeper on your relaxation:
The hypnagogic images start to be meaningful to you, you start to identify the images.
The hypnagogic sound sorrounds you, you feel like you are in an other room than yours, but you can hear the physical sounds clearly so your mind confirms that you are still in your room, in your physical body.

As you get more deeper on your relaxation:
The hypnagogic images become visions, images become 3D, Scenery sorrounds you.
The hypnagogic sound becomes a part of the room you are in. You can hear a few words or sounds, but you can realize that you had heard these a few hours ago. I once heard my partner saying "We did a good work here." He told this 5 hours before and it was definitely his voice.

As you get deeper and deeper on your relaxation:
You start to loose your conciousness, it is hard to hold on and concentrate on your breathing at this point. Because you can hardly hear or feel your breathing...
The hypnagogic images move away from you, You are like in a cinema, looking at the movie screen... Hypnagogic visions are on the screen.
The hypnagogic sound is all that you can clearly hear. The physical sounds are coming from far away, Its like you are in another room and you put your ear on the wall to hear them. Just like the movie screen. You are in "somewhere you dont know" and you are hearing the physical sounds from a radio.

While entering the Astral Plane (Phasing Method):
You are sucked by the movie screen unconciously, Blackout may occur, you may loose your conciousness at this point, You may fall asleep as a reflex... If you had an intention you will find yourself there, if you didnt have an intention you will be in the void. You wont feel your physical body anymore...

While entering the Real Time Zone (Triangle Method):
The hypnagogic sounds get louder as the vibrations start all over your body, You start to hear a lot of noises, you can hear animal and/or human screams,  you can hear people talking... Suddenly all the sounds and vibrations dissapear and you find yourself in your room.

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Just a couple more questions: when you get to the Astral screen stage, do you simply get sucked into the scene in the screen, or do you have to consciously project through it?

Well sometimes i do and sometimes i dont... In the Astral screen stage i dont do anything but i wait for a deeper state of conciousness. After a while two things may happen: If i had an intention to do something before i start i usually find myself there, otherwise i will find myself in the void where "nothing" sorrounds me. If i find myself in the void i conciously decide to project anywhere i want. But i have to tell you that i usually forget about the real world while i am in the void. So i may forget about my experiments and i may project to unexpected places.

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How often did you use BWGEN with Deep Mind IV before you saw the screen for the first time, and how often did you practice this process before succeeding?

Actually it was on my second trial with bwgen, I was counting the sounds instead of counting my breathing. On my first trial i felt a swaying sensation over my body, and on my second trial i saw the Astral screen. I experimented with bwgen for a week and then i uninstalled it. Because i dont need it anymore.

I learned to project in a month, every single day i worked on it, I spent three weekends at home trying to project. I read a lot, and i decided not to read so much. I decided not to use a method but to put it all together in order to learn the basics of it and discover a new method that suits me fine.

Last word: "If you want to do it, you will have to work hard."

With best regards,
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Birm, your presense (and your fiancee's) in that room is as real as the room. You were on earth, but slightly toward astral. Perceptions of that room exist at many points between earth and astral. Other people cant see you 2 because they cant see at all in the astral direction.

That may explain how we can feel both our astral and physical bodies while we are in RTZ. But as i said we did no relaxation, no altered state of conciousness. We just sat and closed our eyes. We didnt project actually.

That makes me think that this was telepathy, not an astral projection.
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