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First about predictions: you don't have to know the future, if you knew, you could not prepare for it. You have to focus on the work of now. Not on some future or past.

Then about innocent people: What do you know about these people? Maybe they're all fine right now? Maybe they are heroes? And the child who lost a father, or a mother? Don't you think he can be proud that he's mother or father died in such a historic way? Of course lacking one parent is always cause for jerk, but if that's the only cause, they might be happier than you. The ways of God are not to be seized. (blurly translated from french)

for me OBE is not as natural as for goingslow.
I think I still have an argument to say it is natural:
You work for it, overcome fears, face reality... this is not that easy. And you don't get to paradise like this... going to "paradise" like robert bruce did, takes a lot of work on yourself, finding it inside you before being able to enter the collective thing.

I think OBE is a way to understand our path, and actually it doesn't come to one by chance only, the path of each might be very twisted. OBE is not a product you wish you had, and you buy it, even the work is not a way of paying, because the work is pleasant too. It's just something on your path, sometimes obviously, but sometimes not obviously at all (like for me). Now I understand how important it can be, and I can tell you I have still much fear, and don't expect some paradise shortly, but I know a little step on that topic, is a great one on every other... so I would say it is a natural tool, that will be gifted only to those who really call for evolution. And it's a great thing that such a tool exists, this way those who call may be answered in such a vivid way! When I had my first going-out, I thanked God, after all that's a part of his answer to my calls! And what a part!!

First I want to tell you: You Can get out.
Everybody can so you can too, once you'll believe it you'll be lighter

Now I warn you: I've never been paralised, and never achieved a real deep transe... But I'va been able to gain astral vision of RTZ, and I've been pulled out from a dream.

So it means you must evitate in some way to release your energy body, and to let your conciousness drift to astral sight. AND you're telling us that you expend a lot of energy: and THAT's what stroke me. If you expand energy that means you are doing an EFFORT, if so, the EFFORT will keep you in your body no matter how numb it is.
Exiting is releasing, if you even tryto exit, you'll stay wher you are.

Being pulled out is convinient, without it I would never have made it. But I had been having contacts with the "friend" that pulled me out for many months, and I knew him so felt confident. Without having known him, I wouldn't have been confident, I would have been afraid... and that wouldn't work, it could only tensed you at a point that you even could hurt yourself, like you seem to do naturally.

You have a protector like everyone, just call him, write to him and burn the letter, there are plenty of ways to learn to listen to him, sometimes you might even do it without ever knowing what you do. Sure he can help you, I doubted he would for me, but actually I realised it was convinient for him to to be able to have a more exquisite contact.

Well I thought about that, but if so then there is a LOT of activity there, for even my third eye gets sensations... and really when I start to relax there are plenty of things happening.

my questions are:
1.why does it last so long?
2.What can I do in order not to feel my head so heavy?
3.and Why this/these chakra(s), and not the lower ones?
4.should I STOP any energy work?

*Frere* stays silent in respect.

yes! good post fallnangel, congrats!

Have you seen aliens or UFOs in physical life?

We're getting somewhere! you now have a friend in the other side! Alas you don't describe your rapists, nor the kind of place this scene was happening in... and I suggest you might tell all the stories you can remember, there are lots of clues that you might not even notice.

Trying or not trying to project doesn't affect the activity of your bodies. I have very strange sensations of people touching me almost every night: they seem to be massaging my head, helping energy to flow, but sometimes it's just a little embarassing. The fact that the realms are at your hand without even trying might be called a gift, you will say it's more of a curse than a blessing, but it's like everything in life, no good comes alone with plenty of pure joy, In everything we live we can find joy, and also in everything we live we can find something to despair from... just choose to see the good part! If you feel you will project, then try to do it consciously, then you might gain more control over the situation.

Well What people call the "higher self" is surely not like us, I'm sure they are somehow much more related with God... And I'm also sure that even if I was missing something important, he would have taken in account that I was not ready yet. So maybe it's some other kind of rude person interested in the role I could play around.

Well sometimes these people are people I apreciate...

The problem is the fact that it's so easy to do it's not funny but it's the staying out part that's a pain."

Its a lot easier than I thought it was before I did it. The first few times, I didnt even realize I had done it because its something we do a lot but its not something we normally think of as real.

What are you talking about (maybe my bad english?)
the astral eye?

Sure thats an idea, but my problem is that I set my mind in such a way that the person and I are just not in tune, see? it's like hitting your head on the wall instead of taking the door. It's my own unconscious mind that has great difficulties in listening to people, see? By the way that's my idea of evil: hitting your head against a wall instead of opening the door. Usually it hurts.

they take me to RTZ
The one I had from dream was to some astral place, but I shortly fell into something black and gloomy until the "friends" started to take me out, but when I got out from the dream, it was a real fast exit.

What disturbs me is that even if he helped me exit, my Protector would never feel ticked, because he always succeeds in what he undertakes. from the dream I'm sure he's worked on it, so that's the proof he can be fast without being violent.

The ticked one ressembles more of me: I'm often ticked when people don't beleive in OBE, and I sometimes try to convice them, which is trying to force them... I know it's wrong, but now I feel it stronger!

Fine beavis I'll pass the message on.
I'd rather get something smoother!

no it just grabbed me like if it was annoyed (I had just lost an astral vision that was upcomming (that's the second time today that I loose one stupidly))
It felt like something made of metal, like a three fingered robot hand, but it was not sharp... what schocked me was that it seemed really violently ticked, and usually my sensations are very slooow and gentle... this time I did not recognise the beings I imagine when I feel like someone is touching me.

jodinastar:
You're at work.
Your whole body has to find new land marks when you start to be conscious of it being loose about the physical. I believe that something is working on you when you relax, helping your bodies being more free from each other. For me it took more than 9 hours (not 9 hours in a row!) being not always comfortable before I started to get used, and feel better the energy, which IS the real coherence of your subtle bodies... so if you lack energy they just fool around like a rag in the wind. That's just a theory of mine, don't take me at my word!

My RTZ vision came today for the second time in my life, and it came on the two occasions after a blanking state that last for some minutes, then I start to wake up in real time zone: and if I have too much of a move (even a mental move) I wake up completely. I really feel like RTZ is VERY close to physical, for time is not disturbed, you can really feel as if you were awake but actually you're not, it's not easy to actually know that it is a remote vision, and not your eyes that are opend. Although, today the view I had was from another point in the room... which was really strange: I could see the computer screen, as if I sat in front of it, but actually I was lying on the sofa. I was so surprised, that I imediately got up to check if I was sitting at the computer... I have regretted that!

Iread at least three stories about a white intense light that would be seen before separation, but never saw it clearly. I had only flashes, and many other things.. anyway your white light might be your own energy body, when activity starts to take your whole being you may start seeing a part of this activity: that's how I understand it, but again I did not experience it so I might be wrong... (?) anyway sure things: it is a sign you're close, and it's nothing to fear about. (but of course you're not thru with fears, there are a LOT of things that we fear without good reason, especially in the unknown, all will say that to you)

Nay do you still have your abusive marriage around?

I've been wandering for YEARS, searching for I don't know what, getting excited about anything but what suited me, the when I settled on my own, I started to do exactly what pleased me, and it happend to be reading about astral travel in the mountains of tibet, sci-fi, people exchanging bodies, exploring the depth of humanity, cross death and discover the true reality... I did not realise at all it could have some link with reality, but soon I saw a book on astral travel, but it said it was dangerous, and that you need to wear a cross in order to protect your empty body: I said NO WAY, I'm not going to look like a dead body. That was a few years ago, so I forgot about it all, and I started wanting to feel better in my body instead of trying to leave it: I went to see a doctor, and tried to get rid of all little porblems, I started to dream about the symbol of astrological lion, but didnt understand, it came back in different forms, always the sign of Lion. And I realised it was the shape of cork I had in the nose, So I decided to try healing myself with energy work and consciousness, and IT WORKED! from there all went very fast, I started doing energy works every day, until I started to "feel" entities going thru my body, it was very unpleasant, and having no solution, I left my apartement, and started becoming crazy, trying to find God, but I finally received words of light "god will come to you as a doctor) I was very happy that it would be so simple so finaly I went to a mental hospital, and one year after getting out I started being able to have exchanges with my guide, and I still feel a lot of beings in my life, but now I know I can go to their world as they come to mine, and we'll be up to discuss about them leaving my private life alone.

And this IS the short version.
By the way AP and OBE are NOT paranormal: it's true normality. dot.

You didn't tell me: do you belong to some physical world group? how would you recognize a sect?

Actually this is not stupid at all: for my first OBE, I had actually two "friends" around me, in which case we were three persons... I still wonder Why I would need two guides, and above all WHO might be the second: if the first is my higher self... then Who is the other??

Tayesin
Actually I think I had one of these kundalini manifestations 2 year ago: I ended up being filled with drugs in a mental hospital. It was not a harsh experience because I had a message from light forces, that I will find God in my doctor... and actually all went well even though I would rather evitate trying this experience again. I think kundalini had something to do with my experience, but I don't see why beeing a team of three would be necessary if that dragon concerns only my kundalini adventure?!

Actually I feel like in my dream I needed to belong to a group in order to handle the problem of the dragon. The problem is being able to choose or create an adapted group. I actually am aware these things are used by sects, and am wondering: do you tayesin belong to some kind of group?

Anyway I am in a close relation with my Protector, who just tries to guide me and prevent from errors among which are the collective suicide!

Radha you are lucky you can look creatured you meet in the eyes, usually my images are not clear and long enough to be able of such thing, besides, in real life, I have tendency to evitate looking to people's eyes, I know I'm wrong, but sometimes I'll do better. Now your story about opening doors I just don't understand.

Good!
You're doing very well victory! I'm really happy you managed to come back to the subject and comment what people say. I feel much concerned by your story, for I also have tendency to perceive entities during normal life. That's what pushes me most in trying to become lucid in my dreams, and eventually exit my physical consciously if possible.

Symbolism has to be found while examining your experience: You are the one who actually have the key: but you need to settle down, and observe what happend in details: you might remember some details you have forgotten, when you will have WRITTEN on a piece of paper ALL the details you can remember, about what sensations you had, what was hurting you, what was not hurting you, whta the entity looked like, what it feeled like, did it seem weak or strong, big or small, beautyfull or horrible... all details are needed, if you eventually find a similarity with someone in your relations, you'll see it will scare you less. But it could also be some unidentyfiable creature, even in it's smallest details: it is unknown to you. Then examine you're most secret desires, what would it feel for you if a beautyful stranger would ring to your door and start loving you at first time... there are infinite ways to interpret it, like the other said if you want us to be able to help you, you'll have to WRITE some details in here.

Then it could be related to an recurrent attitude in your every day life: when you are with your close relations, do you sometimes feel subdued? Do you feel sometimes that after all you are often the victim? Is it easy for you to impose your point of view? When you walk in the street: how do you react to the presence of strangers? do you feel you need to protect yourself? are you curious of discovering new faces? ALL is important, and just start with the easiest to relate to your experience(s) then just go further only to come back wiser.

I have impatience to read you again.