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People do what I'm thinking?  I've just noticed that sometimes halfway through another persons sentences (multiple people) I can "think" the sentence and they'll finish it the same way I did in my head?  Is there any way to tell if I'm actually changing their sentence with my thought or is it just that because I'm working on my spirituality more and more lately (especially things like AP, meditation, and a little bit of TK) that I'm almost reading them a little.  That or I'm just good at predicting the end of sentences. 

Also, if this is me "changing" their sentence, then could I possibly make myself better at this and even get to the point were people follow my minds suggestions - even things like actions? 

It can happen, yeah, depending on which individual you're talking to. I'm just saying they tend to be good fighters overall - not necessarily irrational
There's a bunch of factors I'm still trying to figure out. I'm still a clumsy psychic, so all I can do is go into a trance, wait till the moment is right, and ask questions hoping someone will hear, and occasionally I get answers. The better psychics out there (Zetans for example) can hear your thoughts plain as day and talk back without a problem. They're the type I rely on for information

So how do you know exactly who/what you're talking to?  And that's good to know that at least some aliens are peaceful like me, haha 

Only mentally/emotionally- it would depend on how stable you are in the first place.

I have projected underground (RTZ), but found nothing but dirt, rocks, caves & a molten core.  You know, nothing interesting.

I have also projected to the astral underworld (which is a different thing) and wasn't attacked, but I had guides with me.  Sorry for such a boring answer.

That's what I wanted to hear, to be honest 

They can, yeah, and some might treat you like a trespasser, so a guide is always handy.

I'm not very good at projecting, myself, so perhaps the others on this board could help more

Ah.  If anyone else wants to contribute, that would be great!  I've personally wanted to go to the earths core since I heard about AP...  I'm glad I didn't just fly on down there and get hurt.  Which brings up another question, can you really get "hurt" during a projection?    I was always under the assumption that you were basically just something that exists but takes up no space, so you couldn't really be injured?

Heh, in terms of culture, there are plenty of conflicts between humans and reptilians, so it's good to be cautious at least. But it's not impossible for a human and reptilian to get along.

They tend to be really strong and fairly psychic. If you try to punch one, there's a fair chance your fist will go right through them, and he'll just screw up your mind so you'll drop dead or in a coma. If you punch one who isn't very psychic, they might beat you anyway. BUT I think they can be overcome if they're outnumbered by a mob of people (provided they don't have any major weapons), as it's hard to psychically influence multiple people and fight them at the same time.

But wouldn't it be easier to sit down and converse with them?  Reason with them at least a little or agree to disagree on some points?  It just seems that if these races posses the physic ability/technology they do that we would benefit so much more as a whole by working together rather than fighting.  Then again, this "peace" thing may have already been tried, I don't really know 

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This is where revisionist history makes me mad.
It is not the same to say that the 'holocaust never happened' because other 'nonperfect' beings were also executed.
The holocaust happened, and Jews were executed en-masse.  So were gays, people with birth defects, mental retardation, gypsies, and others that were considered 'not perfect'.
If they would have been allowed to continue, they probably would also have massacred blacks, asians (who were initially with them) and anyone who was not blond and blue-eyed, and eventually anyone under a certain IQ.
Some 'neo nazis' and other religious (read: anti-Jew) groups claim that it never happened, or that it 'wasn't so bad'.
It was.  The mentality that engenders such acts is appalling.
Just because others continue to try to do this (read: 'ethnic cleansing' in Africa, parts of the former soviet union and other countries) doesn't mean that the holocaust isn't significant.
It is all appalling, and shameful as well.

It is terrible.  And what's even more terrible is that more and more the belief that the Holocaust never happened is becoming more and more subscribed to.  The level of intolerance the human race possesses is astounding.

I guess we hear about the more mature species because they're the most interesting, but some people on this site have seen the lesser ones. A lot of them are slaves to stronger species, some live like barbarians on other planets. Some humanoids live with conditions and technology just like ours.

Reptilians are certainly different from us - I guess because they descend from a lineage different from mammal types - but I think they're no less civilized than anyone else in this nutty galaxy. I think the worst beings are the self-righteous ones who appear as angels and call themselves the beings of light. We've seen a lot of them in human history, and I've been studying them since before I knew about life outside the planet. They are absolutely horrid in my opinion

But are reptilians some race that we should fear?  Because this website seemed very against them, and because I'm as curious as I am, I would have to say even if I knew a race was hostile I would still approach them with open arms.  I'm a thinker, I don't fight, although I've been told my presence can end the possibility of a fight fast  just because I'm smart doesn't keep me from being fit 

It's just unfamiliar territory, and I hear a lot about astral predators down there, not to mention underground bases whose inhabitants might not want people to find them

But I'm just the cautious type.

This is a dumb question but...  astral predators?  Like who/what?  I've never had a self-induced OBE, so I'm not familiar with this stuff.  Another thing is can the inhabitants of these bases (human or non) really detect that someone is present but only in mind?

I've read a lot about hollow planet theories, and they just seem wrong next to seismology data. People have seen wide underground places with an apparent 'star' in the center, but those are just big caverns inside the crust and the stars are artificial. (still an interesting sight, but not a hollow planet)

I think it's possible that the iron core is hollow, as no seismic waves seem to go through it (which is perhaps more indicative of a hollow object than a solid one), and Earth has a constant 'ringing' coming from somewhere. I imagine the only entrance would have to be a vortex

Heck, maybe it would be fun to astral project down there. Dangerous, though. You might want a subterranean guide to go along, and one that you trust

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm new at this. 

Why would it be dangerous?

Haha, it really is a bit like Men in Black - different species working everywhere, above our heads and beneath our feet. Some walk plainly among us and we can't even tell. So at times, talking with an off-worlder is like talking to someone from another country

But there's a lot of variety - perhaps hundreds of humanoid types we haven't classified. Some, you might get along with and some you might not. Some are more mature and some are obnoxious little imps. I once got into an argument with a guy who talked and looked like a human - but he had a big cranium and a slim, unclothed figure. (not quite as exaggerated as those TV aliens) He was a leader of some organization and his human followers were annoying me, so we had a little chat that was both interesting and annoying. His organization was crossing time periods in order to ward off an unsaid force that has been influencing humanity since the cave-man days- at least that's what I gathered. He was pushing me to join them but seemed half aware that I disliked him

Very interesting.  So from reading a bit on reptilians (I think the website was "the reptilian agenda" or something of that nature) they don't seem...  well...  Nice 

Has anyone ever tried to AP into these reported bases/caverns that they have in order to see what they can see?  I'd imagine even though you're not a physical entity it would be dangerous...  It seems almost all the other races I read about where very much more physically advanced than us.

No problem, Dusty2010. If I can't find it, I'll just wait until I can get the Mastering Astral Projection book and CD companion by Robert Bruce that also has good binaural beats, etc. And I didn't see your post until after your edit, so good thing I didn't get my hopes up much aye? XD

Ah isn't that the book with the 90 day program?  If so you have to tell me if it worked for you, I've heard a lot of good things about it! 

In the meantime I'll try to find the Holosync download somewhere else on the net, if I can I'll be sure to tell you where 

Different species seem to have an interest in this planet for several reasons. The greys have been conducting biological and genetic tests for thousands of years. There are hundreds of reported bases underground used by various governments and other species of aliens. It may even be possible that the center of the earth is hollow and contains advanced technology and cities. The only way to get there is through an underground base or volcano using a UFO.

Wouldn't a possible way of access be through using AP?  I've never even heard of this theory but one of my reasons for wanting to be able to have a conscious OBE was to visit the center of the planet.

I just got the album "Crack the Skye" by Mastodon and I think a few songs actually revolve around a man who's paraplegic that teaches himself to astrally project in order to be free once again.  And these guys are getting great reviews from mainstream sources even - and in a lot of reviews it seems to mention AP, which I think will at least raise some awareness.

<sub>Ooh, I use binaurals. Sometimes I just let them play in the background and other times I focus on them. I haven't been able to AP with them yet (keep in mind I had my first OBE in April, and it lasted like, 7 seconds) but I don't know which is better for you. If you focus on them - and don't have issues with a wandering mind - it would probably work, but if you're like me, who tries to focus on them and ends up thinking about her day, you'd probably do better just lying there listening. Allow your thoughts to gently drift across your mind, but don't analyze each one.

By the way - I feel the same. I actually have two other forums I found and I'm so grateful that I have each of them to help me since my spiritual journey is starting out at my age. o_o It's difficult to work in school, homework, art projects for GHP, and spirituality all into one day, but I manage!</sub>

Hey you've had one more OBE than I've had  Okay so I suppose I did have one, but that one was fear induced, and when I was very young.  (okay, so maybe only like 7 years ago, haha)

And I think I may start working on my meditation for the time being, then begin to focus more on AP later.  There are a lot of things I'd enjoy doing with AP, but meditation has improved my life so much - and I'm still near terrible at it 

oh, thanks for letting me know.

I meant certain parts of history; the jews being killed by the nazi's; it was actully a lot of non-Jew's aswell. Stuff like that, things that can be used to manipulate the population and that are from modern textbooks.

A lot of groups were targeted by the Nazi party, including Gypsies, Homosexuals, and almost anyone who didn't fall under the W.A.S.P. rule (white - anglo-saxon - protestant)

Well I found one for Holosync...  I'll go look for it.  I think the website one worked for me, and I only got it maybe a few days ago 

EDIT: Never mind, I actually got the free LifeFlow download.  You may want to look into that, I thought it was pretty good, but I haven't tried out many "full" products.  My apologies for the false alarm.

You've probably interacted with 'another race' a few times, not knowing it - while you were asleep or in a trance. That's when new areas of the mind become available and you can read data streams, giving you access to a sort of cosmic internet.

In the case of the reptilian I mentioned, it was a physical interview. She was in the same room as the person and she spoke orally (I think it was in French, which annoyed me because the texts were translated, adding a little more confusion to the already complicated subjects she covered). A physical meeting is a bit rare because most humanoids prefer long-distance, telepathic communication for the same reason we here prefer to talk over the internet.

So where are these other races in space?  And is the world like that of "Men In Black" where aliens are walking among us?  I'm really not doubting anything at this point - I've thought it was stupid to believe that there are not aliens my entire life, and always wondered if we've made contact. 

Are these species friendly?  Also, if I was to telepathically converse with one of their kind, would some sort of meeting ever be possible?  From the little bit said about this race it seems that they could teach us so much about the universe 

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I'm really, really (really) new here...  So don't laugh at me. 

The data layer thing I get, to be completely honest that's what I thought even before reading it.  I hadn't made the connect that these physic events are just thoughts re-writing the codes, although it makes total sense.  Now's the part where I'm hoping someone will explain things to me. 

Reptilians?  Humanoids?  What now?  I'm confused.  I was thinking something along the lines of okay, a telepathic connection to another race...  then wait, a telepathic communication to another race?  Seriously?  I'm not doubting anything - I just didn't know anyone had accomplished such a thing (told you I was new!).  So could anyone hit me up with a PM explaining, oh, I don't know, exactly what these races are or if we've had any physical contact?

<sub>EFT stands for "emotional freedom technique." It's like emotional acupressure/acupuncture.

There's a site for it: http://www.emofree.com

It's supposed to help with practically anything and everything - from helping to dissolve a fear of heights to improving your vision and even slaughtering a craving for chocolate!

I'm actually using this to dissolve my fear of the unknown so I can AP.</sub>

Ah okay, thank you for clarifying that  I will definitely read the free text tomorrow, tonight I searched youtube and found what I thought was a credible source.  I did what he said and I do feel better  I'm off to bed, hopefully I'll be able to get a bit closer to finally having an OBE.

One small question though, to those of you who make use of binural beats, do you find it more helpful if you just play them through headphones and then basically not focus on them (letting them just play in the background) or do you heavily focus on them?

P.S.  I'm really glad I found this website, I'm learning so much so quickly.  My whole summer I went from one thing to another trying to find out what I believed - now in just a few days I've realized what I thought was right the whole time is right, because it's right for me.  I've managed to be a spiritual person without being religious (nothing wrong with religion, it's just not me).  All of you are awesome 

massage/EFT/exercise

EFT?  Sorry...  I'm a bit of a "newb" and don't really know what that stands for 

Robert Bruce suggests that when you find yourself partially floating out of body but being stuck at some part, it means that this part on the physical side is not relaxed enough. As a consequence of this, the projected energy body is not generated in those areas.
According to him all parts of the physical body need to be properly relaxed so a bird-free energy duplicate can be created.

So how do I relax my head/neck?

Something to add:
Some projectors and also people that have had NDEs ocassionally report experiencing people in the 'afterlife' who are sleeping.  They just sleep as if they were...dead.  I've read that these people can rest until they decide they want to wake up and then decide what they want to do.   So theoretically, those that need 'rest' can get it- it's already part of what's available.
(I can think of two books that I've seen this concept in.  One of Monroe's books (could be Ultimate Journey) and one of Leland's books, not sure which).

See, that sleep is what I'm talking about!  I just want a break.  I don't know how long I want, I just want a "pause for the cause" as they say.  I wish I could get books like these and read them for myself, but unfortunately as I'm living with my parents that's nigh impossible...

That Y2K thing sure makes a lot of people feel safe

It's not just Y2K though.  The world was "going to end" when 2000 hit.  Then there was something about 6/6/06.  Because we're humans and we want to hype something, we create it in our own minds that something is going to happen.  What's scary, then, if conscious thought changes reality, then eventually if we get enough imbeciles to buy into "world news's" latest doomsday theory, then it will happen. 

I guess what I think I'd prefer in an afterlife is something of my own creation.  What I'm thinking of is that I can lay dormant for awhile or develop myself spiritually, then learn about everything.  So what I'm thinking of is more of a plane where I am the only constant, and everything else simply begins and ends with my will.  Then, eventually I can either choose to re-enter another plane, or just do as Kurt said and off myself for good.

Some people may not be comfortable with ceasing to exist, in my case though, I think I may appreciate it.

Well basically I start out by fooling my mind by pretending that I'm really stoned. I begin lowering my eyelids and start staring, then I would automatically begin "sinking" into my third-eye chakra which activates strongly at that point. Next my brainwaves slow down considerably (enabling for much deeper thought) and I can realize at that point the new state of mind as seperate from the normal. It takes continual effort to counter-act the mind which tries to kick me out of it once in a while at which points I have to remind myself to let go pyhsically and mentally and not react to those impulses.
At present whenever I induce this state of mind it takes up a lot of energy but this might just be due to the energetic conflicts inside of me.
It's somewhat different than meditation and I can't really describe how. In meditation I start shifting away from physical reality but in this state I don't and I am still very much connected to my surroundings but in a different way I would say.


It's always a very pleasant experience and for some reason also works as an amazing shielding against negative energies.

Hmmmm...  While I think I could probably try this a lot better if I actually knew what being stoned felt like, I think I'm going to try this, maybe I'll get some fun results...  I wonder if "meditation" will show up on the drug tests athletes take at my school