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I just wanted to thank everyone for their input on this. It helps me greatly to hear other peoples ideas.

Thanks everyone,
Luke

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

How could I forget, theres always Einsteins lovely discovery.
If you push a pencil away from you with your finger, is the pencil moving away from YOU? or are you moving away from the PENCIL? []

Or maybe the earth moves when you push the pencil and it rolls because it's round. LOL.

quote:Originally posted by Person

Did you stay focused on meeting your higher self throughout the experience?
I have a feeling you instead got distracted and amazed at the green planet on your way there (noticed today in the preview to Peter Pan they warp through space to get to their 'neverland,' similar to an AP method).  Your focus may have changed to curiosity about outer space.  

That is a very good point but I didn't stay at the first place for as long as I would have given the choice. I was shocked by it and was not thinking anything other than WOW. After seeing that and being hurled back into space I don't recall doing much thinking as I was still shocked by what was taking place. I defiantly didn't remain focused on my goal so you are correct in that I got distracted by what was happening.

quote:I can't get a clear image from your description of the black disk, was it sucking in matter and blowing out white energy?

No it was drawing in the mater from the planet and where the stream of mater met the disk there was a white light. I didn't see that the mater was escaping the disk.

quote:It'd be really cool if that was a true vision of a black hole - all that matter has to go somewhere, why not shred matter into astral form?  You said the Jupiterlike planet couldn't hold life, did you think this at the time?  Such a thought would lead directly into curiosity about aliens, and your vision of one.

Once again I don't recall thinking much about anything, as I was too shocked but I really don't know why I went where I did.

quote:It's also possible the planets were symbolic of your higher self as you noted.  I think you'd be the best one to interpret in that case, but note the heart chakra is green energy.  May have something to do with it.

I don't have enough information to judge what exactly happened. All I can say is that I'm fairly sure I was in RTZ and that I get the feeling that planets have a soul just like us.

quote:Both of these could either require you to move only a slight distance or not require you to travel any distance at all.
However there is still the possibility you were travelling normally within the RTZ and did indeed travel at an impressive speed of several thousand times the speed of light, since it is only objects with mass that cannot travel at the speed of light if your energy body/projected self doesnt have any mass then there is nothing stoppng you from travelling at these speeds.

If I were to make a guess with my limited understanding of such things I would say I was traveling extra-dimensionally. I would guess this because I did not travel from point A to B in no time as I'd expect to with a worm hole and also the time it took to get to each place was different and the changing of direction seemed not to be related to what I was thinking so the only logical thing I can see causing this was that I didn't change direction but felt as if I did. My understanding of higher-dimensions tells me that movement in them might seem to be chaotic and that a straight line would get bent and twisted.

Like I said I'm just guessing,
Luke

quote:Originally posted by AngelicSaiyan

Could it have been a mentally projected form of warp or hyperspace?  Warp would be like say having a table at one end of the carpet, and you pulled the carpet to bring the table to you, and just walk over the mess.  But that's getting into an area of physics that requires a few pages to explain.

I have no reference point to judge how I was spanning the distances between these objects. All I can say is that travel time was not equal for each place and that I felt like I changed directions a few times in transit. This change in direction seems kind of wasteful if I was going to a set location. I don't think I thought about anything as I was moving because I was totally shocked by the experience. I was just trying to see and remember what was happening and don't recall thinking about where I was going or anything else for that mater.

quote:The black disk you saw, was it pulling the matter around itself into the white dwarf?  Normally nothing can escape the black hole, or anything with higher mass than a black hole.  Did you see an apparent warping of space around the object?  IF it was, then it would have been a black hole, the immense gravity can bend and play with spacetime considerably.

The disk was feeding off the large planet. Mater was not going straight into it but instead was swirling around to its far side then going in. It had a slight lensing effect but it was not a major distortion. It was completely black except where the mater from the planet touched the disk, which was bright white. I don't know if it was a black hole as it seemed alittle weak and it wasn't causing mass disruption to everything but my understanding of such things is limited.

quote:I would love to do an RTZ and go to that certain star at about -60 degrees declination (alpha centauri), but I can't see those stars from my latitude.  Who knows, you may have been in another galaxy, maybe not even in the local group.

I have no idea where I was but it's on my list of things to ask when I run into something that might know.

-Luke

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

Projectors do so much demanding, so very little asking or requesting. []

Well I think you took that statement the wrong way. When I said I demanded I didn't use the word demand. I said "I will now see my higher self". I  said this in a forceful manner but I didn't say it in a negative manner. I've found that If I don't leave any room for misinterpretation than things get done the way I want. For example if I would have said "I want to see my higher self" then there is no time frame involved and why would now be any better than after I'm dead. I've also found that the stronger I feel about something the better the results I get. Try it out for yourself and see what happens.

quote:The conclusion from this shows us that in order for you to have not only past our nearest star but also visted other star systems beyond that one within the few hours you slept during your projection would require you to have travelled a hell of a lot faster than 1000 times the speed of light.

Yes you are correct and in fact I had already came to that same conclusion myself. I used "1000" at the time because it seemed like a large number but once I gave it some thought I realized that in order to visit three star systems then the speed would have had to be alot higher.

But if you want to get technical about it I don't really think I was moving at all. Inter-dimensional travel doesn't require going from point A to point Z through all the points in-between.

quote:Originally posted by Blue Giant

Wow, sounds like one hell of a ride. The way you are describing the planets and their surroundings sounds too cool. Man, if those visuals were in RTZ thats the kind of impact I would want if I were out and about. The dark disk may have been the formation of a new star -due to its dark cloudy regions that no light can go through, or, it could have been a blackbody (blackhole). Blackholes are known to pull matter into themselves. Yet, it could have been something completely different. Anyhow, thanks a lot for sharing your story with us.

Yes it was one hell of a ride. I could barely hold on. Very intense.

I didn't clearly describe everything though so I'll try again.

I experienced the first green planet from within its atmosphere. I didn't see any ground just swirling clouds that where incredibly beautiful.

The black disk was about the same size as the small Jupiter looking planet. The other planet dwarfed both it and the disk. I don't have any idea what the disk was.

quote:Originally posted by Jeff_Mash
And I'm glad you picked up on the 1000 times the speed of light.  The only time I have ever gotten scared was when I would travel at this super fast speed.  There is nothing more terrifying than flying DOWNWARDS at the speed of light (or greater)!  It took me a while to get over that fear, let me tell you!

Yes indeed.

quote:
Anyway, not to selfishly plug my program, but if you haven't already, you should download the OBE Journal and enter your experience into it.  You can check it out by clicking the link in my signature below.

I'll check it out.

Thanks for the reply, happy that someone found it intresting.
-Luke

[to save our lives!!!]

quote:Originally posted by Tisha

Honestly.  
Over the years, as women have learned how to control their fertility, got jobs and learned to support themselves, not to mention the creation of a thousand electric tools (everything from electric drills to, um . . . nevermind) to take men's place in their lives, women have "needed men" less, and less, and less.  Now it seems the university system is conspiring to force men back into our lives, to save our lives!!! [!]

I can see it now, elderly men in the nursing homes posting this article on the lunchroom bulletin boards, and taking appointments from women (who outnubmer them 20 to 1) to meet them later in the broom closet.  PLEASE!  It is more likely that women who are treated well by men, relaxed and experimental with sex, and who see sex as a natural thing, will of course enjoy better sexual health overall.

Ah, I suppose it is just a part of the Cosmic Dance, this tension between male and female, who, on an energetic and spiritual level at least, probably will always need each other. Sigh! I just think this tension is manifesting itself on the material plane in the WEIRDEST of ways.  There are better ways for men to get back into womens lives, their beds . . . and their . . . er . . . nevermind, just read the article.

"Insert sexiest comment here"

Sinisterly yours,
Some random guy in a wife beater shirt

quote:Originally posted by Tisha

My sister sent me this link, it is VERY important, please read!

[|)]Thank you for bringing this to our attention Tisha.[|)]

Sinisterly yours,
Agent 4w34

quote:Originally posted by Beth

Nick,
That is exactly what I thought--AND--this "technological medium" would provide for that long sought after "objective--empirical" evidence.
Maybe one day???[]

Beth

Man I got no idea what is going on in this thread I better go read some books or something. []

Respectfully ignorant,
Luke

quote:
One individual is the guy i'm forced to share a kitchen with. Its the only place I can afford and the cops can't do anything till he physically assaults me. Meanwhile he and the rest of the pot-smoking losers in the bldg call me antisocial because I avoid them whenever possible.
I am better than these losers and I will NOT stoop to their level.
Xander

If you don't interact with them than you are antisocial relatively speaking. Why do you care what they think about you.

Make plans for the future and work toward them.

Or do nothing....

That was thought provoking..

Thanks,[^]
Luke

quote:Originally posted by AstralKnight

I know this is off-topic, but this seems to be the busiest of the boards.

A friend of mine, Tim, passed away Friday night.  It was sudden, and quite unexpected.  

He had been going through some tough times in life and was just starting to pull out of all of the trouble he was experiencing when he left us.  It is somewhat tragic to me that his death occurred at the cusp of recovery but there was a reason for it.

I would like to ask everyone who is willing to pray for him, in whatever way you feel most comfortable.  I would greatly desire that his spirit find some rest and solace in the next life, something that did not happen to him much in this one.

Again, I apologize for being off-topic.

Thanks........

Sorry to hear that....[]

quote:
1. You shouldn't say things about God that you don't know or true.
2. I wonder how many people have lucid dreams/fantasies about having sex with a member of their family
3. I thought you generally couldn't conrtol dreams, or is everyone psychic here and somehow able to?

No one knows anything to be true or false in relation to god so point one is kind of a bad point.

Point two? I'd say alot of people do but not many would confess.

Point three? It has nothing to do with psychic powers everyone can have lucid dreams. There are lots of books and information about the subject. It is simply a dream where you know you are dreaming.

quote:
Actually they can through threats of physical or legal violence.

If someone is threatening you then you need to take the appropriate action to make it stop. Defiantly don't hang around with someone doing that sorta stuff.

quote:Originally posted by Azaithoth999 the red

I think I know a English, little bit better then you.
(unfortunately, -because I am Islandic.)
you should have writen:
"How DID you arriveD TO your conclusion?"

Well perhaps but that's completely unimportant and the question still stands. I'm not trying to find fault with you, I'm simply interested in how you relate anti-mater with void.

I also agree with you about the borg. The USA is like the borg and that isn't a good thing.

quote:Originally posted by Syke
im not going to post my thoughts on the matter as someone will disagree and i cant be bothered arguing my point.
-Syke

haha ok...[]

quote:
YES! I know I'm in control of my own life and no one elses, the hard part is convincing others of that when they go to incredible lengths to force me to make them happy!

People can't force you unless you let them. If you don't like what they are doing then limit your exposure to them.

I respect you ideas but please please please don't have that dummies cartoon guy exorcizing demons from another cartoon character. And please don't title it – "Learn to Exorcize demons in 21 days".

This would drive me completely over the top and I'm afraid that I would have to hurt many many people.

-Luke

Further more,

To truly understand ones own ignorance is to finally begin on the path toward wisdom. If you stop realizing that you do not know as much as you think you know then you stop growing in a manor that is meaningful.

Ego is that which binds us all. Ego is the true Satan.

quote:Originally posted by Azaithoth999 the red


http://azaithoth.chaosmagic.com/HAPPENINGS.htm

You have very curious ideas and some broken links to fix too.

I have always found that the answer to any question begins with an attempt to find the answer. Or to "DO" some task to perceive the answer.. I don't really follow your quotes about there not being anything man can "DO".

Man can DO many things. The real question is weather he has any influence outside the box he's been stuffed into.

To understand anything well is to learn you know nothing in regards to it. This is the paradox of existence that many fail to see. Ego hides much from those who know alittle more than the rest.

quote:Originally posted by zjrules

im sorry everyone i wasn't looking at the screen and i didnt notice caps were on,plus i dont like when people say mean comments cause it pisses me off.im sorry

If you can't control your anger over something that small than you will never be able to project.

I don't really think you care honestly. If you did then you wouldn't act the way you have. No one here really cares much for arrogant big mouths.

quote:Originally posted by xander

No No No! Everything is MYYYY fault.
Despite teh fact that I sit in this excrement apt and mind my own damn business I must be somehow telepathically contacting total strangers with personality disorders to interact with me. Despite the fact that I don't smoke weed, drink, or choose to interact with LOSERS I must someohw be in control of every physical and emotional action of others.

I am told to turn the other cheek and be defenseless and yet I have predators come across me and treat me like excrement. Despite the fact that i'm usually depressed and rarely take my anger out on others, it must be my fault that other people yell and scream at me for not making them happy.

Well pardon me for not dressing up like brittny spears, grinding my pelvis against them and singing "born to make you happy"
Cuz afterall everyone elses happiness is my friggin responsibility!

From now on I'm a friggin Nitzschean! I'm told i'm arrogant and selfish despite the fact I hate myself and constantly give others everything they whine for. Well then I'll start being arrogant and greedy!!

HAIL XANDER The Center of The Universe!

What the hell are you talking about?

Do you think that life is one string of happy experiences after another for the rest of us? Life is hard work and no mater what you do or say you will run into people who want to hurt you. How much they hurt you depends on YOU and weather or not you make good judgment calls.

I'm a very depressed lonely guy and I use to think somewhat like you but I realized that you can't complain about things then make no attempt to learn and change who YOU are.

The better person you become the harder it will become to remain so. Leading a good life is harder than a bad one. No one said that its going to be easy.

You need to wake up and see that you are in control of YOUR life, NO one else. YOU are the one who needs to learn to be less negative and yet still realize that not everyone is looking to be good toward you...

At the end of the day you need to ask yourself weather or not you where right in your actions. If you say yes then the rest is completely unimportant.

Don't make me come over there and bonk you on your head.

quote:Originally posted by Azaithoth999 the red

traditional elements? of what? the science? what science?
the magic? or today stupid sciences(sciences of belief)?
element Earth: gravitational force []
element water: electro-magnetical force  [:I]
element fire : weak nuclear force []
element air  : strong nuclear force. []
element Void : ANTI-MATTER=>GENIUS=GENII=DAEMON=>DRAGON!

I could possibly understand your linking of all the previous items except void with anti-matter. How do you arrive at your conclusion?

-Luke of borg