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Adrian (or any mod), plz scan the topics posted under innocuous titles, they are actually religious in nature and blong in world religions. (A thought about Allanon, it didn't start that way but sure ended that way)

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Ok, the first half I'll believe LOL!! Kidding of course...

....but don't demand that I believe in anything, and don't presume I believe in nothing.

You just worry about yer own arse, I got mine covered thankz! I'm thinking now that this topic falls under what Adrian posted in the sticky, have you read that? (world Religions)

I know what the objective is.....coach.....LOL.

I understand the need to feel as though you are 'saving' people too, however most here are on their paths and are doing OK, even the ones with a lot of questions. (can't get close to answers without those)

I've met quite a few people that wether they intended to or not, worked overtime setting themselves up as peoples saviour, or the word I despise most, their "guru";  

quote:Result. Avoid that which blinds you from the power of TRUTH by listening to the MEDIATOR even when you think you are Right!!!

Now at least those with sense know what you are and what you aspire to be. I'll leave it at that.

quote:I believe that as we progress spiritually we will gradually shed more and more of our ego until there is no ego left and we have been absorbed completely back into the ocean of consciousness that we call God. At that point "we" as individual spirits will cease to exist having completed our journey - and having added to that ocean of consciousness a vast amount of knowledge and experience.

That's one way to look at it, and some people prefer that as the default I believe it is wether you strive for that or not.  An alternative incorporates free will, and the reason we were created in the first place. We were created to learn, grow, and ultimately become independant awarenesses. This is not to say one would shun the creator, no more than you would a parent that you still love even though you've grown up and moved on to have your own life.

But in our current state we can only see so far down the line of this journey (assuming you are looking). If you fail to accomplish the task of maturing spiritually and claiming your independance through free will, I think as a defualt you once again 'merge' with spirit.... perhaps to be born once more for another go at it.

I don't plan on doing this again, I've learned that much []

quote: Is cosmic conciousness, superconciusness and enlightment the same?

The first two I'm not sure, the third is not the same as the first two. The latter helps you reach the former two methinks.

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Were does kundalini fit into all of this?

It's a part of the make-up of what we are metaphysically and energetically speaking. It's not the end result.

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Will our karma disolve and we get off the wheel of life perhaps become Avatars?

I don't subscribe to the karma stuff. Only in as far as that if you don't progress you may end up having to do it again (living) and again and again untill you finally catch on. Avatars? I dunno. There are guides, this is certain to me at least. I don't know where they come from except to say the one most outspoken in my experiences never lived in the flesh so to speak.

.....annnnnnnnd what I wrote above applies to the Bible too IMO. I don't care if the characters are real or not, the book and ideas within provide food for the gray matter to ponder, wether or not the authors were full of it or relating historical fact.

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To believe that we create anything beyond the consequence of our own actions would be extremely ego-centric and self centered.

quote:The coach is going to grab that thing from his mouth and say "look sizzle chest you are just hurting yourself partaking of this stuff. Stick to the Way, Truth and Light of the plan for victory.

That's the coach's belief system, and he just forced it on the athlete. After all, he knows the truth and he's assuming the athlete does not, nor is interested in seeking it for himself. Coach here is making some major assumptions based on his own beliefs, and of course the only way to the truth and light is HIS way.....yup.

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I like that question []

I know who/what I will call if I need to call for guidance, but I don't believe I will need to. I've spent a great chunk of my life on the journey for an answer to that and many other questions. So far I'm satisfied I know enough not to be too ill at ease with the moment of my passing. Everyone, regardless of belief, has to be truly honest with this eventuality.  No doubt it will cause apprehension that will require all that I have become to focus my way through the situation, but I'll do just fine thank you! [][:I][][][]

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That's right Narrow Path (Allanon)!  In -most- democratic countries you have the freedom to believe as you wish.  You should remember that at the exact moment you are typing condemnations and promises of damnation to those that do not think exactly as you do.

You've got the right to believe as you like, just as I have the right to disregard all preaching....and I do, and will. [] Screaming it louder or typing it in caps won't make any point more valid either, but being an intelligent sort I'm sure you knew that already. [^]

I'll either be nice (I define the above as being nice) or I simply ignore it and move on. You've stated your opinion on the christianity issue many times now, in different ways and in different threads with different topic titles. Will there ever come a time when you accept our freedom to believe as WE choose?

partly in response to Chills post (on a previous page, my goodness!) and partly responding to all the calls for proof and what-not....

Faith is a very strange beast indeed. Faith can lift your spirit at the same time it can drag you down a wrong path an leave you in a ditch later on.  I think there's a reason some use the phrase 'blind' faith, not so much becuase you have faith without seeing proof, but faith iself removes the desire to see further.  No, I'm not knocking it, I have a certain level of faith in many things myself, but we're talking religion here.

Some have faith that Jesus was messiah, some have faith in written history. Both are important, yet in this context both are meaningless unless each person makes the effort to see, seek the truth for themselves. Those that toss the tools provided to FIND the truth aside; I would not label as having an abundance of faith, rather I'd say they have an abundance of fear, or an abundance of stupidity.

Either way, if you do not search for yourself you will remain ignorant, regardless of the level of faith you posess.

A man walking through the desert looking for truth stumbles upon a book half buried in the sand. Written long ago, the book reveals all explanations within as the ultimate truth. The man sits, reads the book cover to cover and decides this is good enough. He sits with his book, happy and faithfull for all time.....covered with and petrified by tons of sand that once was his road to truth.

There are a lot of good ideas in the books Castaneda wrote as well as Sanchezs and Eagle Feather's books. Lots of stuff to get your mind open and working....that's a good thing []

On that basis, I personally don't care if any of the characters existed or not, it doesn't matter. Ultimately you have to find the truth for yourself anyway. My only problem was with Castaneda -the man- and his hypocricy....morover, the organization he founded and their jack booted tactics used to secure the cash flow. That part isn't a spiritual arguement, it's a condemnation of a greedy man. Even that doesn't matter now, the guy's dead. (He didn't take it with him either!)

The ideas were great, the man sucked []

Just a question for anyone interested to ask themselves....

Does attacking and attempting to tear down another's religious beliefs or belief system in any way validate your own? If this is how you validate your own beliefs, perhaps you should re-evaluate your own belief system.  If your beliefs are secure in your own mind you shouldn't have a burning desire to destroy others beliefs, prove them wrong, or get all frothy mouthed preaching at them to convert.

If someone suggesting that there isn't any (or enough) physical proof to substantiate your religions' own claims inflames you out of your otherwise calm state, I suggest that you have problems with your own faith in your own belief system, time to center yourself and re-evaluate.

Just a thought....

Aziroth, those statements about americans and ufos are just so much flatulence.  Perhaps you should look into how many ufo reports have occured in the UK? Stop bashing americans, we have enough problems without a bunch of ignorant bashers adding to the mix.

On meeting a wayward ghost....

Well, the best way to deal with a fearful situation is to face it head on. I wouldn't have used a lure as a distraction. Myself, I would have tested the thing a bit to see if it was actually a deceased human. If it was cooperative I'd try to find a way to help him/it move on.

Being fearful serves no purpose except to hinder you, so the only way to get past it is to face it and deal with it one way or another. If you project again and it re-appears, don't rush up to it and start communicating, instead, observe and 'listen'.

If you use resulting fear as part of the definition of the word nightmare, I don't have nightmares anymore. I used to though, until I started dreaming lucidly a long while back.  

When I was a kid I'd have nightmares about godzilla chasing me, or my Bozo the Clown doll trying to 'get' me, or even my Bugs Bunny talking doll/toy thing coming after me. I don't get those anymore LOL.

More recently my most fearful dreams were of tonados bearing down on me. I got sick of that and started forcing myself lucid in the middle of those and doing the prudent thing...take cover till it blew over. I still dream of them now and again, as well as other things that used to frighten me in dreams. They don't frighten me anymore though, they are all just interesting dreams that I allow to play out.

huh....yeah. Well, Fantasia versus The Never Ending Story, maybe with a little Legend tossed in with a pinch of Lord of the Ring, eh?

The biggest unmentioned (maybe purposely) common thread throughout mankinds ego is the need to be battled over. It makes you more important when you are the prize of a war, no? So grandios, the idea that all heaven and hell would battle for our very souls....LOL.

Well, if it makes you feel better feeling afraid and at the mercy of the ephemerals whims, more power to you. I'll just sit over here and watch.

It's easier to say what I don't like rather than list all that I do like [] I don't like country music. There are a couple cross-over hits that aren't bad, but overall I don't care for it.

My all time tied-for-favorite bands are Type-O-Negative and Tool. After that, Disturbed, Coal Chamber, Static X, AC/DC, Pink Floyd, Jimmy Hendrix, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.... whoop, almost forgot Enigma, Enya, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc....

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Xothen, (and anyone else reading) I just wanted you to know that I in no way wish to dissuade you from your faith. For you, that's fine if you choose that path.  For me, it's not fine, I need more and I found more.

My opinion: Faith is just an excuse to not seek more, not find spirit in your own perception and take the message of its existance to heart. There's much more to learn than what is parabalized in the bible. The message is so much larger than that....but I can't tell you what I perceive the message to be, you have to go get it yourself.

The importance of the message as well as spirit's intention for our very purpose is completely lost in the arguements about the validity of the bible or the hypocricy and corruption of the organized religion. These things are just SO unimportant in comparison.

In my experience and perception, one purpose for the ability to advance spiritually is to get that message in 'person', not take it for granted that some book is right or some guy in a funny hat is worthy of delivering that message on my behalf. If I were spirit, (shhh!) I'd be insulted by the fact that more don't make the effort to seek rather than wait till they die to find out the truth for themselves.  Astral projection is ONE step along the way. It's not a device of the devil, it's a tool provided by spirit to move along your path, it's not the end of the path by any means....and neither is the bible.

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Wasn't the bible a conglomeration of letters guys had written back and forth until Constantine (or whoever) consolidated them into 'books'?

Whatever, My opinion on the subject is fairly complex but since nobody really cares about my opinion anyway (LOL!) I'll make it really short. True, a man named Jesus robably did walk the Earth and spread 'the word' and was probably even crucified. Proof of that doesn't need to exist really. Proof that he was THE MESSIAH would be more interesting to me. An old shroud that's been debated and a few scrolls mean nothing to me.

The whole arguement is null to begin with IMO, because even if Jesus lived and was the messiah, the roman catholic religion has completely bastardized the entire meaning of what his life was supposed to stand for. Even the bible tells us that the age in which we supposedly live (Laeodician?) is the age where the very pope betrays the church....as if that hadn't happened already a dozen times at least. (start with the inquisition if you like and work from there)

I do not hate god (I say 'spirit'), nor do I dislike the idea of Jesus. I just don't worship those ideas nor do I partake in idolotry (you figure that one out). I have seen what I need to see for myself because I have worked to that goal (with Robert's help by the way) through improving myself spiritually and SEEKING. I still seek, because we can't possibly know all the answers, not even someone as holy and enshrined as Allanon can claim to -know- it all.

What I have learned is that spirit to me is not necessarily what god is to you, and that is as it should be because we ARE different. If the xtian fundies as well as the ones that bash them would take the time out of their battle long enough to seek the truths for themselves I think we could evolve as a race, both physically and more importantly, spiritually.

Bleh. That's as short as I can make it and still resemble a point....ROFL!

Peace ppl!

I think it's worse than that actually. Everywhere you look all you see is people striving toward lemming-hood, wether it be religion, politics,  television, or even fast food.

....and where do lemmings usually end up?

Very good DjM []

You pretty much pinned the tail on the donkey there, and I think you could have gone quite farther actually. I won't add to what you've written, but it sure is a good start.

Now, if you want the average producee from American skool systems of late to understand it, you're going to have to dumb it down.....waaaaaaaayyyyy down. [xx(]

Wow, I haven't thought about the void for quite a while. (months anyway)

If you encounter it again, which you may, try using it instead of building up a fear for it. You won't die from the void, and you'll only go 'crazy' if you can no longer rationalize within the bounds of your situation.

I found it peaceful. I also found that there's more than one 'place' you can consider 'the void'. I discovered several other things too....  what you think of as a void might only be so because you aren't 'seeing' what it really is. Consider it.  When in a void you tend to fill it with things that may be parts of you, or emanations from you. (fear) You could make the void a terrible place, or you could try to discover your way through it.

The good stuff is just ahead

very funny. Just noticed: DjM. (Don Juan Matus)

Hilarious dude, bugs bunny would have been just as good a choice LOL!

ahhh, hehehe, thanks for the chuckle []

Tisha, I have to agree yet part of me disagrees on a different level. Segregation mayabe isn't such a good idea, you're right.  My problem (if you want to call it that) is the preachiness and effort to convert while damning everyone else. The closed minded hatred spewed forth in the name of Jesus of all people just stinks.

I don't hate christians, catholics, or any one of any religion, and I certainly wouldn't waste my breath (or typing time) trying to convert someone as closed minded and tunnel visioned as Allanon.

Perhaps a better solution is going back once again to the topic of moderating. Astral Chat, Astral Experiences, Healing, aren't exactly the place for preaching strictly about xtian beliefs. Jeez, it's not even the preaching that bugs me, it's the condescending attitude and the holier than thou crap that gets me. To go further, I can even put THAT aside, but it's extremely difficult to ignore someone who tries to invalidate the views and experiences of others because they themselves have bible blinders on.

I see your point, it's an open forum for the discussion of a wide variety of topics and there is the issue of free speech and all, which is a wonderful thing.  Moderating to stay on topic is a hard thing to do I imagine, without coming across like a dictator of sorts. Boards like this will always have the predatory xtian I suppose, nothing can be done there except to ignore it as best we can or not read the board at all.

Allanon, I've read the bible and all that, was raised a catholic. All I can say now is that I know better, and from this moment on I'll ignore whatever you post.