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Thank you, Kerrblur, I didn't think all reptiles were bad.  I do think they tend to get a bit of a bad rap afterall.

Thanks for the links, I'll be sure and put them to good use.

~GhostRider

Hmmm... astral storms?  Sounds like fun, I haven't experianced any yet.  Although wouldn't it be boring if there wasn't even the possibility of having weather in the astral?

My brother almost got ripped off when he thought of buying that time machine.  Glad he changed his mind though.  Cinnabardk, are still using the machine?  Have you sent it back yet?  If you are using it still, does it do for you what it suggested?  Allow you to better be able to time travel?

Thanks ahead of time for your response.

[ROFL! ROFL! ROFL!]

ROFL!  ROFL!  ROFL![8D]

No, please wisp, keep them on.  This is for not just spiritual, not just the paranormal, but also the religious.  Now it seems that they're all seperated, some more so than others, but it's also not hard to see how in some round-about-way... they connect.  And another point Wisp.  You don't know if the post you put about a spiritual show isn't going to get someone to stop being anti-spiritual and open up a little... you never know, so keep up the posts.  I would've included more relgion myself, but I've been so busy lately, that I've just had the time to do post what I did.  

And as far as my inspiritation for this, Beth suggested it to me a long time ago. I would like to think that someday both camps in the religious wars can come closer together.  Today, that isn't just by books, sometimes the T.V. is the best medium to do that in.  So, whether or not it's about Ghosts, or God, or Spiritualism... AS LONG AS it is a T.V. Special or an ongoing series, please post it.  By doing so you help to spread the word, the word of enlightenment by any means nessesary my brothers and sisters...let spiritual freedom reign!!![8D]

Thanks Beth... consider me already interested in your book when it gets completed.  Thank you for your post.  And I think you are right, there's a lot of anger placed upon both sides.  It makes me sad to think that fundamentalists, through ignorance (willfull or accidental) 'screwed-up' such a beautiful message.  What's even more disheartening is that in today's day and age of better historical record keeping and sharper science that there are people who still adhere to the false teachings AND seek to perpetuate their ignorance as well as parlay it into real power.

 We need more authors like you Beth.

~GhostRider (Kevin)

[Here's what I gathered so far, add your own thoughts and opinions on them as you see fit...]

Here's what I gathered so far, add your own thoughts and opinions on them as you see fit...

http://www.wisdommedia.com/index.asp

It says the following about them... (quote taken directly from the Wisdom home site)

"WISDOM® Internet, WISDOM® Television and WISDOM® Radio - were created to respond to our country's booming appetite for information about personal growth, alternative medicine, social consciousness, spirituality, relationships and global issues.

Our champion for the WISDOM® family is Turner Vision founder/president Bill Turner, an altruistic, optimistic man who strongly believes in the universal laws of nature. Motivated by his own thirst for knowledge about how to better himself, he launched the three Turner Vision affiliates - the much-lauded WISDOM® Television, WISDOM® Radio and now WISDOM® Internet."

A few shows of particular interest to folks here at Astral Pulse would be...

•   Hosted by Jeffrey Mishlove, Ph.D., Thinking Allowed provides an open, non-adversarial forum for the exchange of intelligent, alternative ideas.
•   Living In Balance.  Hosted by Georgia Shakti-Hill, this series is dedicated to nurturing the mind, body, and spirit. Living in Balance brings viewers to a new awareness of the connections between physical and spiritual healing for individuals and the earth. Guests include practitioners in the healing and cultural arts from around the world.
•   This series explores the relationship between people and the Earth they inhabit. It focuses on men and women in various parts of the world who actively work for the improvement of the planet Earth. Where there is damage -- pollution in rivers, disease in forests, harm to animals -- and where there are environmentally friendly ways of producing energy or harnessing nature, the cameras of Spaceship Earth have recorded the challenges and the successes of those who seek to build a better world.
•   Journeys Into Healing. Explore various modalities of healing with host Portland Helmich.  Her guests discuss and demonstrate methods ranging from herbal healing for women to a back yard sweat lodge ceremony.
•   Meditations. Soothing music and spectacular scenery combine to provide an environment for relaxation and meditation.
•   Eye Of The Spirit: The Omega Experience.  At workshops or in solitary moments around campus, these pioneers explore the frontiers of their own consciousness and discover new worlds in their relationships with others. From yoga, dance and drumming to calligraphy, flying trapeze and interactive workshops, their integration of body, mind and spirit demonstrates how, by engaging our bodies, we can grow our souls.

Okay, obviously I got this information from their site, BUT... it serves to tell you a little of what they are about, they look worthwhile.  I don't get it on my cable package, so if anyone's a fan of this channel, please let me know what you think of them.

[is a little too]

Joel Olsteen...hmmm...his smile is a little too plastic for me.  Maybe he is sincere, but I've learned not to trust folks to be straight when they look THAT DAMN happy, lol! [}:)][][]

By the way, his Lakewood church is going to be a new neighbour of mine soon.  He's buying the Compaq Center in Houston (in fact an entire block surrounding the C.C. as well. The C.C. is only about one mile from me.  And it's going to be funny to see how he gets along with his neighbours... most of them are Gay's and Lesbians.  The rest are 'other' groups not represented in his audience demographics usually.  

That being said, he usually does have a good thing to say in his service.  But I wish someone would talk to him about his disingenuine smile.  Maybe he means well, but it's hard to get past that.  At least for me it is.

I never grew up watching him, that's something my wife did as she is originally from South Texas.  Back were I'm from it was more Billy Graham than anything.

Take er' easy and keep the show listings coming folks, you're doing great! [8D]

P.S.~ Has anyone heard of the 'Wisdom Channel'?  I'll do an online search for them and when and what they are, but if anyone's an avid watcher, what's your take on them?

Here's some show's coming up on the Discovery Channel.  Ancient Evidence is the series and it's hosted by...(the greatest Star Trek Captain of ALL time!!!  Drum roll please...) Avery Brooks.  At least the religious ones are.

DSC  Nov 12 2003
10:00 PM  Ancient Evidence  Joshua & the Walls of Jericho        
 
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07:00 PM  Ancient Evidence  Who Was Paul?        
 
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10:00 PM  Ancient Evidence  Who Killed Jesus?        
 
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07:00 PM  Ancient Evidence  Who Killed Jesus?        
 

[Smart, but to help answer a previous question, it's not so much God I have a 'beef' with, it's the people who misuse him and us in his name for their own glorification and dirty little needs. At least an invading army is more 'honest' in that it is a direct and clear grab for power that ALL can see. The fundamentalists in this country and in others aren't direct. They're connivying, back-handed and fork-tongued in the way that they go for the power, and the power they want indeed. They try by influencing the thoughts of the young and old. Creating fear, and mistrust. Seperating folks into camps... perverting the work of real christians. Not that I'm the one and only person who can bestow legitimacy to movements but I and others like me see this happening and it really isn't any better than what the twisted Islamic fundamentalists are doing.]

quote:Originally posted by wisp

Gandalf,
I see your point about the personality thing. Thing is, what about a point of reference or a messaging system. How do you make contact? If all you have is what you have, shouldn't you have something happening?  This is my idea about hierarchy....messaging. The triangle or pyramid is as far as I've gotten, it's multi faceted. If it didn't work for me I wouldn't use it, but it does work. Yes, your right about the vastness and size. So far in what I've found is God the personality (I can perceive), and voice (I can hear). Anything beyond that is beyond my steps of discovery. This is in the spiritual sense. You don't need physical proof. You say unrealistic, I say the path is not paved.
Worship is never how I have seen it either. Maybe that does go back to old concepts. It's a word that should be re-defined, like how about contacting. Isn't this word being replaced by worship more these days, "talking to God" for instance?
What's wrong with human? Maybe you are setting human possibilities too low. If there is something more, it's beyond my comprehension. Anything more is getting lost in a maze. Shouldn't one keep a frame of reference?

Mistakes yes, but big ones or little ones? I'll take the little mistakes. The price of the big ones may be too high cost wise. No one has come back to say they were right have they?  If so, who has come the closest to this? And, was this measured?

As I mentioned before, people use God like they use other people. You can't make someone not do this. It's a choice they make. People choose to please other people too. This one is a difficult one to get past. It's better I would think to please God than man. To please God is to please your higher self as well, this is in the right direction to me. That's as far as we have come I think.

We're only given as much as what we're safe with. And when push comes to shove, I'm not above worship if I'm headed for a collision.[] Some things are beyond our control, no doubt about it.

Smart, but to help answer a previous question, it's not so much God I have a 'beef' with, it's the people who misuse him and us in his name for their own glorification and dirty little needs.  At least an invading army is more 'honest' in that it is a direct and clear grab for power that ALL can see.  The fundamentalists in this country and in others aren't direct.  They're connivying, back-handed and fork-tongued in the way that they go for the power, and the power they want indeed.  They try by influencing the thoughts of the young and old.  Creating fear, and mistrust.  Seperating folks into camps... perverting the work of real christians.  Not that I'm the one and only person who can bestow legitimacy to movements but I and others like me see this happening and it really isn't any better than what the twisted Islamic fundamentalists are doing.

quote:Originally posted by wisp

GhostRider,
You write like someone with a crystal aura. You make change like a shapeshifter, are you?
I agree with what you say in the last post. Your passion for people is wonderful (or so it seems). Not so for me, but I do care about people though. You seem to have the flame or spark for what it's all about. It seems your harshness toward God is a little displaced though.What's going on there?

Hmmm... can you clarify that, me-no-compute...must be that I'm overworked and can't think straight anymore...lol!

I hope I didn't come off too harshly Wisp.  But my point being was mainly that while I believe in a God that rules over us.  I don't think he'd have given us a brain, curiosity, compassion, etc... if he didn't expect us to take the lead with it.  My thought is is that he's like a father figure, taking a hand's-off approach to us, and allowing us to learn our own mistakes.  Hoping that one day we equal the abilities of the being (or beings) who created us, and hopefully proud of us if we exceed our design capabilities...

Maybe it's because I'm from the same city as the lady who's posted this thread "Gaurdian, where are you?"  But I'm real damn curious as to what's happened so far?  Please, update us please?  We're worried you know...and we'd be more than happy to know it worked out for you... so please update us...?

[You know, you had me untill you said that, lol! Man's idolatry of God and/or Gods has placed mankind in more trouble and pain than ANYTHING else. In fact I'll go the complete opposite of you and state that if mankind would learn to love himself, express himself, and respect himself and his fellow human brothers and sisters with a FRACTION of the zeolous reverence that mankind has shown GOD... then we'd be in a better place right now. A much better place. Remember, when a soup kitchen is openened, when a new after-hours school is opened up in a grimy, rundown part of town for adults who dropped out of high school. When a vaccine is found, or a baby is born... it is MAN who created and continues that. God, is NOWHERE to be found. In all the videos of ALL the births I've seen, GOD isn't in them. I don't see him at the unemployment lines helping folks out, and I CERTAINLY don't see him risking his life in combat to give medical aid to a fallen comrade.To place the credit for ALL the good in the world in God's hands is to FORGET that it was HUMANS who did that. It is servile, and disrespectful to the achievements we, as a race have accomplished. Yes, MAN has caused many a problem, but that's more to do with the fact that we're mortal and fallable. Not perfect. I always get a kick out of it when I hear someone thanking Jesus or God or Allah for the good that's happened, for the success that THEY accomplished, etc... Yet, when tradegy happens we're not supposed to blame God, or if it did happen for a reason, it was God's will. As if that makes it right.Why is that most believers take the standpoint that all the GOOD in life is because of GOD, and all the BAD in life, well, that's another guy's fault, or Satan, the greatest FALL-GUY/SCAPEGOAT of all time...Bulls**t I say, stop being down on humanity and realize the strength that MANKIND posesses. Untill then all you'll be is a servant, and not a master...]

quote:Originally posted by wisp

Society is blocked in because of restraints placed by ideas constructed by men. Man's (and women) idolatry of man has put society where it is.

Churches don't take prisoners. Churches take in prisoners.

Create something, like a new idea. Apply what you know, not what someone else knows.

You know, you had me untill you said that, lol!  Man's idolatry of God and/or Gods has placed mankind in more trouble and pain than ANYTHING else.  In fact I'll go the complete opposite of you and state that if mankind would learn to love himself, express himself, and respect himself and his fellow human brothers and sisters with a FRACTION of the zeolous reverence that mankind has shown GOD... then we'd be in a better place right now.  A much better place.  Remember, when a soup kitchen is openened, when a new after-hours school is opened up in a grimy, rundown part of town for adults who dropped out of high school.  When a vaccine is found, or a baby is born... it is MAN who created and continues that.  God, is NOWHERE to be found.  In all the videos of ALL the births I've seen, GOD isn't in them.  I don't see him at the unemployment lines helping folks out, and I CERTAINLY don't see him risking his life in combat to give medical aid to a fallen comrade.

To place the credit for ALL the good in the world in God's hands is to FORGET that it was HUMANS who did that.  It is servile, and disrespectful to the achievements we, as a race have accomplished.  Yes, MAN has caused many a problem, but that's more to do with the fact that we're mortal and fallable.  Not perfect.  

I always get a kick out of it when I hear someone thanking Jesus or God or Allah for the good that's happened, for the success that THEY accomplished, etc... Yet, when tradegy happens we're not supposed to blame God, or if it did happen for a reason, it was God's will.  As if that makes it right.

Why is that most believers take the standpoint that all the GOOD in life is because of GOD, and all the BAD in life, well, that's another guy's fault, or Satan, the greatest FALL-GUY/SCAPEGOAT of all time...

Bulls**t I say, stop being down on humanity and realize the strength that MANKIND posesses.  Untill then all you'll be is a servant, and not a master...

Cool thread Beth... you're going to raise my I.Q. if I keep reading yours' and Gandalf's work...lol!

Cool...peace in our times!  LOL!  I'm in the same boat at times Gandalf.  It's so easy, in my outrage of 'modern' Southern Christianity (not all of it, just the messed up fundamentalists version) that sometimes I lash out at ALL of christianity.  And it isn't all bad.  It definately needs to be cleaned up, but what faith doesn't?  Hopefully, the level-headed and compassionate-hearted will prevail.  That's why I'm glad folks like Beth are theologians.

Furthermore, I don't know if written proof is as important as it was a week ago to me.  Why the sudden change?  Well, it's not that I don't view the historical proof as being unimportant, it's just that I see the whole affair as being far more devisive usually than it should be.  And if that's the case it's sort of like nuking the city block to kill the roach-infested house.  Overkill.  And you don't win anyone over to your argument with negative overkill.  Yes, logic will hopefully prevail, and no, I don't think I should let-up on zealots.  But I don't see a zealot in Mustardseed or Wisp, and getting angry at them ain't going to get them any closer to the negotiating table (not that that's happening a whole lot lately, but it has, and even on their part too...)and maybe that anger, will blind us to a fact or two that they put forward.  

I still believe that the historical facts don't support a literal translation of the bible.  And I know I could go on and on with the facts and proof of my case, but would that bring anyone any closer to even wanting to 'test-out' my theory (not too mention believing me...?)of faith.  And would that get them any closer to heaven, or me to the truth?  I doubt it.  So, since I've put forward my proof, facts, quotes, theories, and beliefs... I'll just step back a little, for now and let the dust settle on this.  Since I doubt that hammering it out for much longer would bring me any closer to my goal of learning the truth and then sharing it with my sisters and brothers here at the Astral Pulse.

~Peace

Thanks for the heads-up, I will.  By the way, does anyone know if the re-appearance of Niburu and the ships caught in the SOHO observatory cameras are property of the REPS?

~GhostRider

Hmmm... if it's no more harmless as the wisdom channel on my cable, then it's no problem.  However, if it as Dark Night suggests, a scam, then it'll get ripped to shreds through commentary here at the Astralpulse forum.  So, I'll check it out and report back to all... here goes...

~GhostRider (Now a volunteer emmissary for the A.P. community [])

[But, if a faith (or spiritual movement) is being used as a political tool, then it is INCUMBENT upon those of that faith to defend it's historical validity. I, nor anyone on this site would want to be dictated to by anything less than the truth. Not the truth as seen through one individual's eyes, or the eyes of an entire movement. That's not what I mean, what I mean is that the "truth" or the "fact" of life is what I wish to be guided by in my day-to-day affairs.]

This thread has wandered from proof of historical and factual evidence to almost a proof or validation of faith or lack of faith and even defending having an alternate faith view...

 I don't think it's necessary to have to ask people to defend their faith or support it.  But, if a faith (or spiritual movement) is being used as a political tool, then it is INCUMBENT upon those of that faith to defend it's historical validity.  I, nor anyone on this site would want to be dictated to by anything less than the truth.  Not the truth as seen through one individual's eyes, or the eyes of an entire movement.  That's not what I mean, what I mean is that the "truth" or the "fact" of life is what I wish to be guided by in my day-to-day affairs. Not someoneelse's faith-based belief.  A rock, tree, and water exist, that is a fact, and my belief or lack of belief in that doesn't change the nature of those objects as being an observed fact.  In short, the tree doesn't care if I believe it exists for it to exist.  Like the sun rising and setting, these are facts that I choose to be governed by, laws of the universe.  

And as far as my spiritual affairs goes, I'll take my chances and go with my heart and intellect on that one.  And be comfortable knowing that what is important for me to believe isn't nesseccarily important to Beth, or Mustardseed, or Gandalf, or Wisp or anyone else.  That we all have our right to "believe" what we want and express that as long as it doesn't hurt anyone, that's what's important.  Or at least, that's one of the important things here.  

But when it comes to historical facts, hell, I have a hard enough time proving that my personal beliefs (that are still forming) are factual enough sometimes, let alone to actually believe that someone else's was accurate enough to be allowed to dictate social laws and norms.  If someone finds a belief that is supported by fact and historical evidence, then all the power to them.  But I don't think it will happen, and I don't think it's needed.  I think that faith and belief are removed from that because of it's highly individual and personal nature.  When they are forced upon large numbers as fact, that's stepping out of it's own bounds.  Faith and belief are largely determined by what an individual values as important, and we ALL know how varied each individual can be.  So why does faith and belief need to be written in stone as fact and historically supported evidence?  

 Ultimately, that's what's great about this country and partly why I came to it.  That I do or don't have to believe anything I wish to (as long as it doesn't harm or negatively affect anyone) as I wish to do it is one great thing about America.  My only problem is when it's 'forced' as fact and law, when the 'facts' and historical proof don't support it.  Then I have a problem with it, and yes, then it is necessary for it's followers to defend it vigorously.  Sorry, but that's how I see it.

 I'm just waiting for the massive (Disney'sh) theme park, the specialty T.V. channels, and the franchise churches... oh, wait a minute, we already got them... oops!

 Then again, can it be any worse than the major corporations who hide their profits overseas and in off-shore bank accounts, occasionally threatening to lay off thousands of workers when the politicians are gutsy enough to even mention making them pay taxes?

~GhostRider

P.S.~ But as investments go, some of them Christian stocks are good, steady gainers...almost recession proof! ...$$$!

Now this is what I like about this place.  It makes you stop and think, sometimes retooling what it was that you once thought etched in stone.

Shinobi said, "So with regard to the Bible, is it necessary to assume that the bible is 'fiction'? Maybe it is fiction, maybe it isn't, but I find that insisting one way, or the other, detracts from the message itself. Especially in light of the fact that it appears that demonstrating either angle is difficult, if not impossible. Beth, Gandalf, Mr Bruce, and others point out, correctly, that any evidence currently available in support of the historicity of the Bible is contested, at best. And yet, perhaps they have forgotten the logical truism that 'lack of evidence of the existence of unicorns cannot be taken as evidence for their non-existence'. Or perhaps I just haven't seen their approach to this angle."

Shinobi, thanks for helping me to re-examine the issue.  You put it in a subtle yet easy-to-grasp way of looking at it.  Leaving me to think, "why the hell didn't I think of it that way?  It makes so much sense."  Not that I have given up looking at the subject the way I used to completely, you've just helped me add one more lens to look at it with, so thank you.

Beth, that was a beautifully sculpted theory, and although I can't say as I understand it completely, it sure did sing to me.  If that's half as good as your book, jott me down for a book now.

Thanks for the link, I think an old 'mentor' of mine is a member, because it sounds like something he would say to me.  Except he'd say (and still does for that matter) in code and I don't know if he knows that I know...hmmm?  I think I'll give him a call and find out.  Thanks for the link, it's a huge relief to know I'm not just one of a few anymore.

Not so all the time, at least not with me.  Strong negative emotions, especially the unrelenting kind whether or not they come from within or an outside source DO make me physically tired.  They drain me and make me want to cocoon sometimes, to hibernate and wait the storm out, like you would a blizzard.  Consign yourself to the fact that the sh*t has hit the fan and there's nothing you can do about it (for now) so you pick a good snowbank, dig out a shelter and ride the storm out.  In the meantime my body will more often than not feel tired, drained and spent.  So I close my eyes and visit the dream world till the trouble's past me or I have enough energy to get out on my own.
 
But good, even aggresive, combative emotions, they fuel me.  They make me feel like a million bucks (probably from the endorphins), they allow me to focus in and ride it like a good marijuana high.  Kind of makes me feel like the WWE wrestlers must feel, except I don't have any entrance music... although I could use some.. lol!

Then there are times when I'm curious, mischevious and introspective.  This is where my creative side comes out to play.  I'm a real smartass when this happens, sly and jovial.  That's the best energy high I can think of.  It's not as HIGH as an aggresive, good, or combative one is.  But it's more sustained, a steadier ride than the rest and I feel like I'm on the ball completely when this happens.

So maybe we didn't just come here for the energy, maybe we came here for the emotions and experiances as well.  And to have one without acknowledging the other would be like saying, "yeah, we made it to Florida allright, but I don't remember how I got here?"
That would, (excuse the snowboard'sh tone)...for lack of a better word...SUCK!  Yeah man, it would suck allright!

[Hmmm... enlightenment, kundalini, and getting 'off the wheel of life'?]

Hmmm... enlightenment, kundalini, and getting 'off the wheel of life'?

Enlightenment - Something I wish I had, that moment of universal awareness where every atom in me cries out, "I FINALLY get it!"  This is something I'm working on.

Kundalini - A friend of mine has experienced kundalini and if I might be so bold as to suggest, you better be prepared for it ahead of time.  Not that it's bad, it's just a LOT more than even folks who 'should' know what they're doing are even prepared for most of the time.  Quite a trip from what I've been told, and there are herbs that are supposed to help you achieve that.  Or so I'm told, Fo-Ti is one of them.

"Getting off the wheel of life" - Can't help you there, I have fun and difficulty at times just trying to imagine what ALL of existence must be like, at least to be aware of it at one time.  So to comtemplate knowing and being aware or and being one with all to such a level that you're given permission (either by yourself, or your greater self) to "get off the wheel of life" is something that boggles my mind.  Where would one, or all (ha-ha-ha!) of you go after that?

Here's a physical depiction of it all that really helps me to put it into perspective, it's from my best friend in the universe, at least this one anyways...

http://www.catthause.com/sarada/astrald/sectionmaplabels.jpg

Just a thought on the "World Series" being called the "World Series"... is it because the players are from all over the world (just about)?  Besides the players from all over Central and South America, wasn't there a Japanese player as well as some from the Carribean island nations part of the world too?

Ha ha ha!  Good one Gandalf!  In 2012, the only demons flying around the earth will be the Horrible Flying Demon Monkeys flying out of my but after I've had too much chili and beans AND Shiner Bock because I was celebrating that there are no Flying Demons making war with us...Yeeeee---HaaaW!!!

If it ain't the flying demons it's the Reptiles that are constantly being pointed too as the bad guys for that phrophecy.