Messages

This is all described in Ultimate Journey, as I get it. Where do you get your info from? I got it that Monroe did develop in a different direction than the INSPEC had anticipated and therefore it could not help Monroe anymore as Monroe had to find things out himself. Where did you get the "Monroe arrived at a certain state of consciousness the Inspec could not exist as a separate entity"?

As I recall one of the trainers at TMI told me this in a discussion... as I stated... Joe McMonagle says 'Ultimate Journey' is not Monroe's work... it is ghost written under the direction of the publisher.

This is a problem. some works can be done as Illicit Work, but in many countries you have to be born, get a social security number, etc. You just can't pop up as an unknown person and start working on many places. The Facilitator would have to alter a lot of physical world items to enter as a new human in society... And he would have to go out of scope in a similar way. He would have to age visible over the years, and so on.

This in not true. You are thinking in a human linear fashion. The Facilitator can potentially come and go as he desires... creating specific illusions... people wouldn't notice it. Remember Frank Kepple says that consciousness is 'one' everything is going on all at the same time... there is no linear time... there is only focused attention and shifting and changing your focus... if you know how to do it... it is childs play for a Transcendent. Everything in the universe has already happened and is happening all at the same time.

If you have read Bruce Moen's work you will note that when Monroe was interacting with different groups during a focus 34 session he split himself into hundreds of parts and was interacting with all the groups at the same time... this is not a problem for a light being... Avatar level being.

S.

If you compare it to Buddhism, after they've finished their own earthly tasks, they can choose to continue physical existence to help facilitate other humans. However, they tend to reincarnate. Like the Dali Lama. So in other words, I don't have a clue. 

There are a lot of things like that Monroe mentions but never finishes and leaves it wide open for interpretation. He either didn't understand it himself or did it on purpose for some reason I guess.

Hi Stookie: I think Monroe DID clarify and explain... the manuscript that he intended to publish as "Ulitimate Journey" was deemed unpublishable in that time and place by the mainstream publisher he was using so the y edited that book so it was more cryptic and uninformative than anything he ever allowed to be published... Joe McMonagle told me he has the original manuscript which is about a foot thick... and he has no plans to ever publish it... so whatever Monroe want to say will never be heard... but Monroe from the otherside got in touch with Bruce Moen and got him to publish something that was probably close to what he had to say... but unfortunately not clarifying Monroe's experiences.

S.

Hi Pauli: I posted this in other places and was not able to find anyone who could respond due to the inscrutable nature of The Facilitator and his unique and almost unheard of status. I posted it here because this site seems to have advanced persons... to me this is puzzling and awesome... but maybe beyond comprehension.

The INSPEC was a future incarnation from Monroe's I-There, or possibly Monroe himself in some kind of future form either discarnate or otherwise.

Later information says that the Inspec WAS one of Monroe's personas... that's why when Monroe arrived at a certain state of consciousness the Inspec could not exist as a separate entity and disappeared.

The stuff that Monroe did when in OBE was somehow controlled by his I-There. And the I-There seemed to try to give Monroe some lessons. The reasons for not giving the pupil (Monroe) the answers right away was twofold:

1. Monroe would develop his self much better if he was to learn the lesson all by himself.
2. The I-There didn't know the "right" answer at all times and wanted to make Monroe discover the answers on his own in order to make him able to do completely new discoveries of Unknowns never heard before by the I-There.


Monroe's guides did not always tell the truth as things may become too simple and Monroe wouldn't have learned his stuff the most intriguing way. So... The Facilitator may or may not exists as Monroe was given the picture. It could even be the case that the Facilitator was created to satisfy Monroe's wish to meet an advanced human. Monroe would then enter a new path in his quest for discovering Unknowns.

The problem with the idea that the Facilitator was not a unique and separate entity is that... The Facilitator at the time of the meeting says he was a professor at a real time University teaching... he said that he had been or juggled jobs such as cab driver and bartender... also Oddly enough Monroe remembered The Facilitator as a flyer at the glider airfield he frequented... d...

Do you think the concept of the Facilitator was a little simple?

My personal impression but of course a speculation (which is why I was curious about what people out there who might have more than speculation to offer might concur or give a definitive explanation of The Facilitator...) is that The Facilitator somehow in Roman times figured out how to create a light body... which is eternal. Somewhere in the literature produce by Robert Bruce he seems to be busy creating a light body to continue indefinitely in the physical world... When I told Robert I was not coming back he replied, ' that he could not understand why anyone would not want to be in the physical because this is where it is all happening...' So maybe The Facilitator made a similar decision when he Transcended... but, that he could do it in a single lifetime which blows my mind.

What was the Facilitator's goals? Purpose on Earth?

It could be just as simple a Robert Bruces's... the physical plane is where it is at. Everything is happening here... there are challenges and satisfying emotional rewards for creating in the physical which don't exist in the non-physical... what I don't like is the reaction... it has taken me 7000 earth years to get to a place where I can even contemplate freedom from the physical... I am not going to give that up. LOL!!  I want escape velocity... thanks to Robert Monroe.

S.

The Facilitator

In either Far Journeys or Ultimate Journey Monroe asks his Inspec for a meeting with an important being... when he is taken to The Facilitator... The Facilitator is very surprised Monroe found him... he claimed to be 1800 years old, stopped eating and sleeping very early in his incarnation and has had only one incarnation... who is The Facilitator? Monroe says to him cryptically... "You know no one believes you exist"... The Facilitator tells Monroe he won't meet him again... but, Monroe ask for his help with his work... the Facilitator says... "if I come, you won't recognize me..."

Oddly enough Monroe remembered The Facilitator as a flyer at the glider airfield he frequented...

Question for the board: Who is the Facilitator?

S.

Yes, you're right. It is quite like arabic but with lots of round characters.

I know Robert Bruce talks about astral symbols a bit but he is generally referring to structures and on surfaces rather than floating in the ether.

Hi Flor: Do they look like this:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/hebrewc.gif

but dynamic constantly changing shape... sometimes flowing left to right like a stock market ticker tape... and then changing form... sometimes forming a cartoon character... etc...

S.

Of late I am noticing a trend in what I see in focus 10. This is non-alphabetic symbols either in the blackness before me or set against astral tunnels I seem to be flying through. I look closely at them but they really don't mean a thing to me. Anyone have similar experiences?

What led to my latest experience was in trying one of Franks techniques. This was the one to connect with guidance where you just imagine a guide coming to you and surrounding you with love and protection. After I had phased into my subjective landscape and messed around a little I suddenly got round to thinking I would try Franks method. As soon as I started thinking about a guide I saw a ball of light before me then the subjective landscape just dissolved to blackness (of focus 10 I think). Then what followed was pattern after pattern of non-alphabetic symbols before me. Couldn't make head nor tail of them.

Hi Flor: They look to me like arabic or hebrew script.
S.

Hey guys,

I did my first chakra meditation last night to a binaural beat I found for opening chakras. I have actually never felt like I was closer to an OBE, it got to the point where I could feel all 7 main chakras pulsating! Then I would have phases where my body was completely in F10 and I could feel a sort of pulling away sensation from my physical body when i would focus on somewhere I wanted to project. I never fully projected though.
One strange occurrence was when I had a strong desire for someone (a spirit guide or helper) to help me exit my body. The second I had that thought it my mind I heard what sounded like 7 people all talking at the same time!  
Is there any correlation? also as far as projecting was there anything you would have tried to fully exit? I was focusing on phasing out of my body to another location in my mind.

Hope your all doing well,  
-Firmitas

Hi F: what is the 7 chakra meditation you are using.
S.

There's actually no specific rule that says "when you're projecting, you won't feel your body".
There will be times when you can feel your body completely... or you might kinda feel it 'back there somewhere'... OR, you might not feel it at all.

Hi All: In a word... stocastic!! All the intellectualizing that we do is a random bench marking... a 'rule of thumb... dead reckoning' the non-physical behaves in an infinite array of symptomatic effect observances... we may never get a definitive fix on the truth of it all simply because beings move on an lose interest in the cataloging... Frank Kepple apparently is deceased... someone said... so the guy who had the analytical skills to do a reliable comprehensive work on this subject... left and has not come back to continue the work... I used to have a grasp of the Yogic system and what it taught were the effects and written in stone anatomy and mystical physiology... all of which is probably quite erronenous in detail if not in principle... it is what it is folks and practice and persistence will yeald results over time... the detail of it will probably be lost... as you phase out of the physical plane... I know I am not coming back.

S.

[This is better:]

This is better:

10/25/2010 - Afternoon session:

Now I am out-of-body
This session was so rich in event and imagery that it would take a book to describe it. This is the condensed version.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 2; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Got into relaxation fairly easily... f10 achieved at end of relaxation cut/silly little finger beginning cut.

Silly Little Finger exercise:
Perceiver/Interpreter:

In the SLF cut I am really feeling the energy collection... I am enclosed in a cloud of energy... new phenomena... I feel as tho I am hovering above my body... (the mantra is always going... when I can put my attention on it)... body jolt around the shoulders... that's when I realize I may actually be obe... my poc is in the energy cloud... I feel four feet... two cloudy ones and two physical ones... the energy cloud is rich with images... but predominant... is the swirl of neopoitan ice cream in a round container... strawberry, pistachio, chocolate and vanilla... the top of my nose itches... right side... (this must be where the energy cocoon (etheric double??) is touching my physical body... heart chakra jolt...

Imagination exercise 2

imagination exercise kicks in... itching continues... another heart chakra jolt... gathering energy from above... fundamental body jolt... imagining the orange, peeling it... tasting the delicious chilled orange...

joob d

Joob... now I am doing the mantra as I observe Britney Spears dancing with a flowing pastel colorful cape... now I am in f15... No time... I can do this forever... no pressure to abort... strong itch above the right breast... pressure in the middle of my forehead... gosh I gotta pee... eos...

Assesment: This is good I guess but what is missing is my ability to step into the event flow and interact... such as dancing with Britney Spears.

S.

10/25/2010 - Morning session:

Now I am out-of-body

[/b]

Well, I think I know what the problem is now for my difficulties in the last series of sessions... an ego problem... I decided a few days ago to go a mild form of sleep deprivation going forward to get myself into the borderland state... it has worked in the past to produce a obe... but this morning I think the third day of getting up at 3am produced an odd state of alertness and C1 fixation like I was shot with adrenaline... or an upper... this should not have been the case... I should have been dragging my rear end... the session was characterized by not being able to get to f10 easily it took most of the allotted time to do in and toward the end I was getting some vibrations... the only good thing is I did get to the end of the disc... I realize now I hit an ego structure that isn't going to give up easily... I have no solution as usual except to keep hammering and exposing the dark underbelly of my physical consciousness superstructure...

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Never got to f10 in this disc cut.

Silly Little Finger exercise:

This exercise was completed but still no awareness of the 'intent' originator.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Got into f10 around here but blanked out...

Imagination exercise 2

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

joob d

Began to get some vibrations but the disc ended.

S

Seraphis1, did you ask your guides for help or ask someone to do something to aid you?

I must admit I didn't think to Pauli. But I did in this one no response.

Hi All: The session notes below through out the exercise series. I don't have the areas well segregated... what I don't under stand is why my commands were not responded to... I clearly was not in the astra.... So where was I... this is also clearly another episode of stalling... the literature does not cover this kind of thing... anyone with ideas or who have experienced this kind of thing I would appreciate a validation that this is happening to others..

10/24/2010 - Afternoon session:

Now I am out-of-body

[/b]

Sharp string pain right thigh... looking down a corridor... an energy cocoon develops as I respond to Moen's prompt to create energy from above... the focus is on my forehead... lots of pressure... energy pressure... the energy is not swirling but kind of static and there... in a huge auditorium... in the upper gallery is a kind of broadcasting studio... a white haired man wearing a red t-shirt who looks like Phil Donahue is the moderator... I hear nothing... in the lower portions there are teaming individuals... I guess are reporters and staff at work sort of like the newsroom floor in 'All the Presidents Men'... then the scene changes a cleae pyrex plate on the right... I am not in no-time... I feel time pressure... trying to figure out how much longer is the exercise... I have no 'intention' power in this place... it can't be the astral it will not respond to my commands... 'Now, I am out of body' does nothing... 'clarity now' results in some sharping but no real clarity... 'awareness now' gets no response... all the pressure and activity is around my eyes... see Renaissance clothing... and costuming... woman's face... a full face... red lips... 'who are you?' ... 'noone you know,' is the answer... heart chakra blips... decide to come out of session early... check time... 30 minutes into JOOB...

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Quickly into f10

Silly Little Finger exercise:

This exercise was done with conscious awareness but not aware of the intention flash point.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

Imagination exercise 2

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

joob d

See opening blurb...

S.

HI: Well I figured the stalling and the static situation would not last. This mornings session was quite interesting in that I heard the music... I didn't call it up but, it surprised me... then, something unique happened that I have no idea what it means except that I feel better physically... a mass dropped off me... I just felt it fall away... what it was I don't know... but it definitely was a mass of some sort... and it did result in some kind of physiological change. Wonder what it was...

S.

It depends on what you're trying to do.

Hi CF: I am trying to breakout. I should be able to eventually pass through this to f15 no time... where I don't care whether the session ends or not... and I could theoretically go on forever or progress thru to f21... the question is whether forcing the issue now or waiting and keep coming back to it is the better plan... not sure... Buddhist monks sit for hours in some kind of test of will over the body and mind... but, I just don't know where that really goes...

S.

Hi All: Now, recently I have a new problem. I now get into a very powerful body asleep state mind awake... but in the last two sessions... the mind awake does nothing and I hit a wall of nothing happening and I get the urge to come out and I have closed down what would be an hour session to a half hour... is this a bad thing to do... should you press on to the end of a timed session irrespective of the desire to not I guess be bored silly.

S.

Astral Mud and how to get dunked in it:

I recently watched a documentary on the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Essenes. I realized this was a perfect example of the getting stuck in the Astral Mud.

The Essenes practiced very severe austerity and exotic ascetic techniques along with elaborate rituals... this obviously put then into a phasing or obe state in which they penetrated the astral world... because they didn't understand where they were and didn't explore beyond the astral areas... they got tangled in visions of potential futures... they saw their own demise at the hands of the Romans... but, reversed the victory and added a victory and divine salvation... which Evangelical Christians today still interpret as the coming Armageddon end of days...   

S.

See?  This is what I'm talking about when it comes to ya'lls concepts and definitions. 

My goodness people... just be happy that this kind of shite is happening to you at all.   And this concept of "astral mud"... WTF?... who cares? 

Most ppl here are so bogged down by other people's perceptions that it is bogging down their own..............acceleration.   STOP IT. 

Your perception of YOUR life is exactly what it should be.  Don't look towards others to validate what you think should happen. 

Just saying.

Hi Nya kid: Well, said.

S.

i have indeed read the monroe and kepple resources.

but in all seriousness, these people are fine for achieving projection, but as far as "astral physics" goes, that is an individual journey.  you experience the astral world you expect to experience.

Hi PR: First, the astral and the planes above the astral are not the same and do not respond to the same laws. The astral kepple's f2... is the individual's subconscious in which you are right what you think will be created on demand.

But the f23 and above are a collective consciousness in which you interact with others reality... tho, you can create with thought... others don't have to accept your creation...

If you can get into a Hollow heaven, try to convert someone... or start preaching heresy... they will probably attack you... they can't hurt you... but you will have to leave... but, you will not be able to affect or change that consensus reality... therefore it is incorrect to say in all the non-physical what you create is what you get...

S.

i have indeed read the monroe and kepple resources.

let me respond simply.  i don't like the presumptuous attitude and subsequent definition declared by kepple and monroe.  who the hell do they think they are?!  jesus or something?  lol, totally kidding. 

but in all seriousness, these people are fine for achieving projection, but as far as "astral physics" goes, that is an individual journey.  you experience the astral world you expect to experience.

What area did you project to... What did you see? What experiements have you performed? Who are your guides and what do they say? Please don't take this as a cheap shot... but, if you are familiar with kepple how come you didn't know he is the one who coined the concept of 'Astral Mud'.

S.

I've never heard the term "Astral Mud" before, but I thought it was common knowledge that your subconscious reflects into the astral and you in turn experience the projections it creates until you learn to move past it.

Hi pr: read the kepple material... it is the best around. The point is you don't have to get into the astral or Kepple focus 2... (particularly upon death) in the training you are led out of these areas and for the purposes of exploration you can do whatever you want to do... the belief system terretories are in kepples f2 for you to examime while you are in physical form or any other area you choose to go to once you are proficient in shifting focus... the training is all about learning to shifting focus and/or traveling...

S.

I wasn't joking.  I really think Monroe created these astral environments by defining/labeling them.  Then he set up the monroe institute and wrote books to teach people about his environments and get them to practice projection primarily through his paradigm.  This way, after his death, he would be able to exist in his own astral kingdom that is consistently being fed by all the people that come and drop $4000 to stay at the institute and the people that treat astral projection as just a bunch of arbitrary "focus levels".   

Lol!! You are a deep thinker.

S.

[/qoute]

Hi All: At first I was going to let this slide but, it is possible people need to know what I mean about the Astral Mud and the free areas of the upper focus levels 27 and above:

Excerpted Kepple: FOCUS 2

Focus 2 of consciousness is what is commonly known by psychologists, as your "subconscious" but there is nothing "sub" about it. Focus 2 is where most people do their dreaming, lucid dreaming, their "astral projecting", their meeting up with all manner of demons and devils, etc.

This is where religion has been stuck for millions of years. Even enlightened ones like Buddhism doesn't seem to get that this astral area is a trap and can be by passed... instead they've created all this hocus pocus about avoiding demons and the like which may or may not work... the point is why encounter them at all.

The astral is an area which can be passed through and most non-physical explorers armed with Monroe, Moen and Kepple will negotiate quite easily.

Excerpted Kepple: Focus 3 is what I call a 'common area' of our Consciousness Continuum. This means that unlike Focus 2, which is ours alone and can only be experienced by ourselves, our Focus 3 area of consciousness intertwines with everyone else's; we can all share in each other's Focus 3 areas of consciousness and interact with each other. As you step into Focus 3 then you will find that it is much like the physical is. Here you can meet people in a totally objective sense exactly as you can while physical. Within this region it is obvious these people are not merely creations of your own imagination. It is as obvious as it is apparent that other people are not merely creations of your imagination within the physical.

Kepple makes clear the focus 27 and above are free will areas. You choose to interact with others... I have heard as a matter of fact you can't meet anyone here how dislikes you or you dislke... there is no coercion or belief system power working here.

Monroe's focus 23 thru 26 is where the hollow heavens and hells reside and you gravitate there based on strong fixed belief system constructs such as pr was attempting to allude to accept the Monroes work leads you to 27 and above which are free will areas.

Anyway most of you who are really interested can follow thru for yourselves to clarify these ideas... I thought it was important to at least point people to areas of investigation to get there facts straight... there is enough misinformation in the universe.

S.

I wasn't joking.  I really think Monroe created these astral environments by defining/labeling them.  Then he set up the monroe institute and wrote books to teach people about his environments and get them to practice projection primarily through his paradigm.  This way, after his death, he would be able to exist in his own astral kingdom that is consistently being fed by all the people that come and drop $4000 to stay at the institute and the people that treat astral projection as just a bunch of arbitrary "focus levels".  

Lol!! You are a deep thinker.

S.

I actually read monroe's books long after I can to the conclusion (on my own of course) that your astral experiences are influenced by your "moral character".  I don't owe Monroe anything.  I appreciate his contribution but also recognize that many people before him contributed a great deal to understanding our nonphysical side.

Thank you for trying to correct my personal opinion for me, sometimes I just have so much trouble figuring out how i feel about things.

Hi pr: of course you don't owe anything to anyone. But, we are all the beneficiary of the fact that the astral mud can be bypassed... it is out there in the consciousness because of Monroe, Moen and Kepple... historically none but the transcendents knew this... l like atomic power once it is out there well its there to be used if you can figure out the logistics of it.

S.

yea.  think about it.  he wasn't some spiritually enlightened master.  he was a normal dude, electrical engineer, nothing special and BAM! he spontaneously projects.  all of a sudden he discovers all this new stuff.  who's to say that he wasn't overcome with the energy he was feeling.  perhaps he liked it a little too much.  next thing you know Darth Monroe.

In all the attacks on the man who probably singlehandedly changed the metaphysical landscape, what is being missed is that he figured out the the Astral 'Mud', demons and dragons etc... was an unnecessary diversion... Transcendents knew about this which is why they vetted their students for moral character before taking them on as chelas... and warned against the 'powers'...

You all owe Monroe the clear vision you now enjoy as a potential to get past the Astral mud. You just don't know it or even possibly understand it. Or worst yet care about it... you just benefit from it enormously.

Kepple makes this quite clear...

I haven't done the research on this, but, it is no accident that The University of Virginia has a research arm dedicated to human consciousness and that other mainstream universities around the country are slowing moving toward this study.

S.

10/22/2010 - Morning session:

Now I am out-of-body

[/b]
The workman like day to day progress is a big surprise to me. From the books you get the idea that one day you just o.b.e. and live happily ever after. I don't remember any book talking about the day to day physiology of one's progress to being a Traveler. They always have some earth shaking experience and suddenly they never look back. Monroe fell out of his body and had a few years of anxiety over the experience... but what happened before physiologically, of course, he didn't know where he was going I do.

I just came off a dry spell in which I could not even visualize with imagination.

But this morning I was right on the razor's edge of a very powerful o.b.e. event... the buzzing came in, the vibrations which with me usually start in my feet and legs and defy my commands to spread... this morning they spread... the click off of auditory happened for a longer period...

What I haven't got and it is frustrating is the ability to 'intend' and have my intent obeyed or executed... this is a big secret... volition!!!

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

There is something odd about my inability to consistently get into the f10 state quickly I was well into the Perceiver/Interpeter phase before I reached f10

Silly Little Finger exercise:

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

Imagination exercise 2

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

joob d

See opening blurb... the whole session is intergrated into one experience. The mantra is really powerful now.

S.

quote author=Xanth link=topic=32221.msg264572#msg264572 date=1287536709]
Well, think about it... Robert Monroe was actually quite the hypocrite.
I mean on the one hand, he thought he was here to help educate and move humanity into a new level of "knowing".
Humanity means "everyone"... not "just those who are able to pay".

Sorry, but that's where I get off the Monroe-express.
[/quote]

Hold on X: I have no idea where you are getting your facts –

Firstly, Monroe was a business man not a religious zealot. As a matter of fact, he avoided religious symbolism and according to an early trainer, whenever he heard a trainer use words like chakras and the like he dressed them down. It was only after he died that things loosened up and occasionally a trainer with a background in one of the esoteric religions will slip up and use none scientific words with a religious connotation.

Second: The Monroe Institute is a 501(c)(3) educational and scientific research organization dedicated to the exploration of human consciousness it is not a religious institution. It is non-profit by law therefore the tuition is much less than it would be if it were a for profit business enterprise. I don't know the conditions of Monroe's Estate but, it appears he left all his money and property to the Institute and all proceeds for those investments and properties along with gratuity from students go for the reasonable maintenance of and furthering of the cause of human consciousness exploration.

Third: You are entitled to your opinion about how 'you' personally would run an educational and research institution, but, unless you have proclaimed yourself 'god' and have created rules of how others 'will' conduct their business, I would avoid left handed slanderous attacks on another's motives and integrity. You are entitled to hold Monroe in distain.

Fourth: To my knowledge The Monroe Institute is on the cutting edge of imparting to others 'real' information that is 'not' theory... about the non-physical universe...; and 'real' skills of how an individual may learn for yourself how to contact and interact with the non-physical. 

S.