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First of all, by hypnagogic imagery i also mean image streaming, those images and feelings we use to get before sleeping but still awake.

I have been reading forums like these for years and i read so much... for what i see here, most of the persons that descrive psychic experiences, such experiences are always SO  similar to the things i have in the hypnagogic imagery stage and also when i am falling asleep. The problem is that just the idea of me having all this work in wanting to develop psychic abilities and the only "results" is... falling asleep is very very un-motivating to me, hence why i had quit SO many times before because to me falling asleep means absolutly not any progress at all and that i am just wasting my time, so you get the idea, just because of this lack of motivation, such exercices most of the times become almost like torture, because usually absolutly nothing works on me ever (not even brainwave entrainment). By the way i use to have hypnagogic imagery almost everytime i do any meditation at all (that is, only when i actually suceed in clearing my mind)

Is there a way to know if such experiences are REALLY some results from psychic development exercices/energy work/meditation or JUST a natural side effect of falling asleep?? Unless maybe these two indications are what i am looking for can someone tell me if these things could be indicators of progress or not :

- many times, when i have hypnagogic imagery and i don't fall asleep afterwards, i feel my whole upper body pulsating. This is quite strange, because i never had any other side effects from this, besides just hypnagogic imagery, maybe this is normal when trying to go to sleep ?

- during hypnagogic imagery state about half of the times i have it, i think i DON'T lose conciousness at all before having it and i am actually aware that i am having it and that i am not actually sleeping. The other times tought, it seems more like a dream and when i awake i notice that i had losed conciousness, and also during it i wasn't aware that i was having those visions. Could this difference mean, that it's actually good progress being aware during hypnagogic imagery state and not losing conciousness ?

Why not just let it be? So be it - that's just the way it is.

Perhaps it is a music you tune into especially well because it resonates with something that is deep within you.

Maybe it is a sort of process of tuning in to these vibrations like the heavy whitenous you get from an AM/FM radio when while you adjust the frequency until you find a stable channel, your etheric body shifts it's own vibrations giving you this heavy temporary sensation. Whenever I encounter the sensation you describe (mostly by music) fades I feel a permanent buzz leaving over my etheric body until another dominant frequencytakes over.

Hum... yes but still, it's quite strange that these heavy sensations only happen at the first times i hear those specific parts of the musics, the more i hear them, the less the sensations appear, there is one point in which i hear the musics and i feel nothing at all anymore (at least physically) and it's just another beautiful music to me.

hum... ok thanks for the info.

Hmm.. do these people know you are sending the healing? It could be that they are not welcoming it/their 'guardians' are not letting it in so to speak. Some people may be not open to receiving the engery unless they actually give you permission. (i read about this on my reiki forum)

Hum... very insteresting indeed... but yes some of the people i sent the healings they gaved me permission, but since they never had any psychic experience maybe that's why their guardians haven't allowed my healing to reach them... Also other of the people i sent the healing, my mother for example, i absolutly can't ask this to her, she is absolutly skeptic about anything about psychic abilities she would even mock me for believing in such things, and SPECIALLY if i told her that i am able to heal! lool

Oh by the way some of the psychic people i sent the heals felt the healings very well, they said my healings are quite powerfull which is strange since even that pulsating in the arms i don't always feel. But for example one of those persons asked me to heal his heart area, and his heart chakra got opened! LOL He had some unpleaseant side effects for about 2 days but then he got better, i am glad he still haven't regretted the healing because of that.

By the way i would be interested in attuning people in the attunements that i haven't got results, not only to help them but also to have some feedback.

Hum... i see... now that makes a lot of sense, no wonder why the energy sensations i feel while doing energy work never changed after all those healings. By the way feeling the arms warm and pulsating only when sending healings to psychic people and not feeling anything on my arms when sending to myself or to non-psychic people is normal as well ??

yeah i am aware of that, fortunately i am already used in hearing that, no one is able to help me on that. But thanks anyway for the intention

well... several months ago i was atunned to several reiki methods, such as kundalini reiki, gold reiki, tachyon reiki, psychic reiki, third eye empowerment, akashic records, golden triangle, obe reiki and usui reiki (only level 1 and 2). Of course i haven't taken all of them in a single period, but let me tell you something amazing... almost all of them did absolutly NOTHING, and this was about 2 years ago, still today nothing much changed at all, the energy sensations i have when hearing the music and when i do energy work is EXACTLY the same before and after the attunements even after all this time. Sure i haven't praticed daily, but i remember i did douzens of self healings but they never seemed to have any effect at all, by the way usually i never felt anything during attunements at least something significant.

BUT it definetly worked quite well when i sent healings and even when i attuned persons to kundalini reiki, gold reiki and akashic records, at least in this i had good sucess and finally i got to feel a strong pulsating and warm feeling in my arms when sending the healings BUT i never feel anything like this at all when i send them to myself or to non-psychic people (like my mother!), this is amazing... (in a negative way). But i still haven't noticed any improvement in energy work after doing those healings.

well what can i say but congratz u made the first step in a pretty large sh*t ) no offense

those chills mean that u can feel your spiritual energy or more exactly bio-energy try replicate that feelings in your palms ...i recommend to talk to a reiki master or someone who dose this stuff in your town...

Yeah that's the problem i am COMPLETLY unable to replicate those feelings, at least as strong as that. The best i can do is doing energy work like in n.e.w. but the sensations are of course very weak and NEVER as strong as this.

edit ..music at others is an energy exciter....i get this shivers too while lisening or reproducing some parts of a melody in my head.....but the main thing is to manifest that on your own...i can xD

Indeed sometimes i am able to get this as well if i reproduce them in my head BUT only if the music isn't already "weared" out, this only works if the music is relatively new to me, unfortunately.

When you say waves.. its it like prickerly, pins and needles like (without the pain) line going up your back, not on your skin but just underneath that makes you sit up straighter as a reaction?

Hum... i don't remember quite well, but i think it's at the surface of the skin and covers a large area, it's not just a single "line". It's exactly like when we have cold and feel chills i think it's the exact same feeling.

I have had this at times when listen to classical music or watching something on TV which shows a sudden outburst of emotion, or in music a sudden change of beat or sudden rise in sound or suddenly all the instruments start at the same time - its hard to explain.

Yes! that's EXACTLY what i mean, that's what i feel with these musics and also in those tvshows, in fact, if i hear those musics later even without the tvshow, i still get the chills as well because a "emotional connection" was created.

On the other end of the scale is the sudden deep, dull 'tremor' that hits all my body making it shake for a second, rather like I had a mini electric shock.

Wait a minute, i also use to have sometimes during the way something like that! For example i am doing absolutly nothing special and sometimes out of nowhere it's like i have a mni electric shock like you say, and i instinctively shake/shrudder my shoulders due to it's intensity i absolutly never had an idea what the heck is this, this isn't exactly like the chills i get with the music, but it's quite similar. Sometimes i wonder if this means i have too much energy and it is somehow getting "released" ? This happens for years now and unfortunately no one knows what causes this i think.

By the way... as i said in the initial post i don't feel any improvement at all when doing energy work, so i am not that sure that this would mean better energy body development... but please keep comenting.

Hum... yeah that's the law of attraction at work i think, the more i read about lucid dreams it only makes sense that it will attract them, at least i hope One of the main goals i have in lucid dreams is to find a way to develop psychic abilities or at least finding the most effective techniques with my specific case, have you any experience on this ?

Anyway i hope it's possible to get them without those ultra annoying reality checks or dream diary because everytime i tried that i was unable to continue for long, these two things are INCREDIBLY boring to me and take a long time to see results.

For example, in one of the times i managed to do daily reality checks (that thing of looking 3-4 times to the same spot to see if it changes) i only started doing it in the dreams about almost ONE ENTIRE month of doing them while awake, altough i was so tired of doing this while awake that i had to quit, SPECIALLY when in one of the times i did the reality check inside a dream, the spot i was looking at did NOT change, and of course i only noticed this when i awake, i tought to myself how the heck is that possible! From that moment on i just quit doing reality checks. By the way most of the reality checks suggestions i see, none of them seem to work with me, don't know why.

hum... ok thanks for the suggestion, let's see if it's this time i finally get a technique working for me.

Usually the most techniques i see to induce lucid dreams is mainly doing a dream journal (absolutly not practical to me), doing several reality checks a day or doing affirmations at the night before sleeping.

I most say that unfortunately my dreams usually are always very very similar to my real life usually the only thing different is mostly the places i am and the people i see, but using the tecnique to see if it's everything normal around me on the dream doesn't work well because of my dreams always being quite similar to my reallife...

Is there any other means, for someone that hasn't any psychic abilities active? For me the most "confortable" way would be the suggestions but i don't know if that alone is powerfull enough, since i have been doing them everyday and maybe it's normal it takes several days to do effect?

By the way last night i had a psychic dream for the first time since several weeks (i know this because i usually always remember my dreams at morning, SPECIALLY if they are psychic) mostly because i did some energy work awareness in my spine in the heart chakra area, but that's odd every time i did that in the past, it ONLY induced a psychic or lucid dream in the first day, but then if i continue doing in the next days it never works anymore... that's real odd...

I always seem to feel strong "waves" of tingling in my body (kinda like chills i think this is the correct name) when i listen to certain classical music that i found out to be very beautiful. This happens mostly in my back (as a whole, not just the spine) and also in some of my limbs too, but strangely i never noticed any side effects (good or bad ones) about this, even when i tried doing n.e.w again. One of the "problems" if this can be called a problem at all, is that this only happens in the first few times i hear those musics, the most "wear" the music gets, the less stronger are the energy sensations, to the point i feel absolutly no energy sensations anymore even tough i still found the music beautiful, altough at this point the music is already quite all memorized and maybe that's why i don't feel that anymore.

Anyone has idea of why this happens and if there is any kind of benefict with these "energy waves" in terms of energy body development? I mean, i already tried doing n.e.w. and i absolutly never had any such strong energy sensations like these at all.

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i was quite surprised when i found that such a device even exists ! I mean i always had the huge dream of being able to move objects with my mind, but also being able to move the mouse and other things in my computer and finally this will become true in a certain way I would like anyone that tried this to see if it really works post their experieces here, and also what happens if we try to use N.e.W. techniques to use this... By the way i will buy this in the future so i will later add feedback here too.

After reading douzens of reviews about this thing it REALLY works, of course in a limited way and it's need a lot of practise but in some reviews they say that this thing also responds well when we only have the intention to move a limb, which is more or less similar to what is done in n.e.w. if this could be triggered by n.e.w. exercices it would be great...

By the way since this has alpha and beta waves "brain fingers monitors" i think this would be a helping tool to develop psychic abilities, or to measure how much we would be in alpha and beta stage... I mean it has real time monitor software that reacts to our toughts...

Also as long term side-effects this, this would PROBABLY help those that want to learn psychokinesis, i don't know, since this would have a very similar effect, or be effective as a visualization. Also it would be great if we could see if we are getting hemy-sinc with this or not.

I am using the psywheel to develop psychokinesis (using aluminium foil), but i have found that i have a lot less motivation and more negative thinking when i do it under a container, since it never moves under a container, and like this it's quite difficult for me to pratice for more than 5 minutes, because seing it never moving i can't stop thinking that this isn't going to work.

BUT i do get a lot more motivated if i try to move the psywheel without any container, since it moves sometimes even without any air current in the same room i am (and it's not my breath and not the movement of my body). Even tough it might not me who is moving it, i find more easier and motivating to train psychokinesis for longer times if i train like this, since i am pretending it is really me who is moving it and like this i hope to try to trick my subconcious that he is in fact moving it since i am never sure if it is any air in the room or me, since there is nothing in the room that makes air move.

Like this, i am hoping in medium-long term that the subconcious will REALLY start making it move, since i am already trying to believe it's already him that is moving it, even if it might not be.

Could this work, as long as i keep trying to convince myself that it's me who is moving it, and supress the thoughts i have about doubting that it is me or not moving it even if it's not the case at the time? I found the practise a lot more motivating like this and i am able to even pratice for a half-hour like this since i am always hoping it's finally me who is moving it...

I just made this post since i don't want to be trying this for months if anyone knows that this kind of tricking won't work with the subconcious in people in general, even tough i know it's different for everyone...

note : i am practising it without using hands near, and my head is about 10-20 centimeters away, and my breath does not affect it's movement.

I am currently needing such type of service, but unfortunatley it seems that EVERYONE only thinks in getting money with this, since i absolutly never found anywhere anyone which would give psychic readings for free (with the exception of one member here, but either that person doesn't have time for me or doesn't reply anymore so i need more people), but i would be willing to give something as trade if someone is able to do such thing like for example me giving a healing or attunement since i have been attuned to a few types of reiki before.

Because if not even this message has sucess for this, i am starting to believe that it's indeed impossible to find such thing for free, which is ABSOLUTLY unfair since there is people which heal and give reiki attunements for free, why the heck it doesn't exist anywhere places where people give psychic readings for free too ? Specially because i too like to give healings and reiki attunements for free (i am therefore open to any requests).

Anyone able to do psychic reading/scan or with active psychic abilities interested in helping me will be very welcome of course, and i would prefer contact by private message or even MSN (which is in my profile), since i am also looking for psychic penpals which are extremelly hard to find.

Sorry for the harsh words i used, but it's just i am sometimes starting to get desperated for usually not having replys or people willing to help on this, or the few ones replying usually don't help me at all in the way i needed...

hmm, dizzy, painful head exploding like sensation. Yeah, don't blame you for being concerned.

Very similar to symptoms of dehydration. Did you have enough water?

I say this because I don't like the method where you go to bed thirsty for the purpose of inducing an obe when you try to get up for a drink of water.

All these weird stress methods are rubbish imho.

LOL, of course not, i didn't even knew that such method existed (go to bed thirsty for inducing a obe!!) and it doesn't even make sense to me. By the contray i always use to drink a LOT of water so OF COURSE this isn't the cause! Besides how it would ONLY happen when i was doing this rotation feeling?

Besides the head ache part, your experience is very interesting. Btw, what are practicing specifically?

What i am practising specifically ? WEll, to try to astral project, someone told me this was almost it... but i wanted to know if people who tryed to astral project that are new on this and that never had pychic abilities, if when the body isn't used to these things, that if this kind of head feelings is normal, since i presume that's why i had them... Unless it's just because of being a rotation feeling, but that's why exactly i posted here, so that i know if other people who also did this kind of imaginary rotation also felt this dizzyness.

By the way i forgot to mention in the experience above, that to end it, i just had to move my body (besides the opening of eyes) there the vision shaking and rotation feeling almost dissapeared completly. The only side effect i had in the rest of the day was just a minor headache, nothing more.

Well, not exactly what i asked, since i said that about most psychic abilities in general and not just lucid dreaming, but of course what you said also helps, so thanks for the advice, even tough unfortunately i have other priorities than lucid dreaming (i am talking about psychic abilities mostly) but regarding lucid dreaming, believe me i have readed a lot over the last years and so much stuff, believe me that it's not necessary to buy any books for this... Besides i don't "trust" much what is said on books, no matter how "good" they are.

By the way just tell me one more thing : is it possible to develop lucid dreaming WITHOUT having to write a dream diary in the morning ?! This is absolutly not practical do me, since the few times i tryed to do this i spend most than one hour to write douzens and douzens of things, this is way too muck work to me, there HAS to be some way to develop lucid dreaming without using dream diarys...

andonitxo said :

I desisted for a while, and when I took it back I reconsidered my attitude and I mixed the "messages" with faithful feelings and... I obtained a LD in the first try!

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mix techniques with feelings, be very faithful and

Please tell me how you guys are able to do this, how can i "fake" a emotion or feeling like this, or bringing it like this without something making me have it... For most i try having such emotion or feeling, nothing happens, the most i can do is trying to "recreate" it, but it seems kinda weak and fake, does affirmations work with this kind of emotions and feelings as well ?

I was sit in a chair, and i was trying to astral project. Ok, after some minutes, i was able to almost not feel my body in contact with the chair, and then i tried to picture in my mind my body (and chair) rotating horizontally clock-wise. For my big surprise (this was the first time) i suceeded and i really felt myself rotating (non physically of course), and the strange is that i was unable to stop rotating even after stopping the pretending. Then i noticed that my head started to be like it was about to "explode" and feeling a strong dizzy feeling on it (was becoming painfull), so i got afraid that i would cause some kind of brain damage or pass out, so i opened my eyes. Another huge surprise, i could notice that my whole vision was shaking left-right (i was really awake, not dreaming), just like if my astral body was still trying to continue rotating clock-wise, but being with the eyes opened seemed to act as a temporary brake (also the dizzyness and dizzy feeling got a lot better and almost dissapeared).

Then i close my eyes so see what would happen, and the rotating feeling resumed almost immediatly (always close wise) even without me wanting, and of course the dizzyness and the feeling of head seemly about to explode came back, and i tried to stand the most time i could, but the dizzyness would just become really unbearable and i was afraid to have some kind of serious problem or some kind of permanent damage.

Of course i tryed to do this sometimes later but it never happened again, even tough sometimes i was able to have that rotation again, but always under control, which is a lot harder, because for some strange reason, my councious mind seems to be resisting to this idea and trying to make me always remember the real position of my body, which hinders a lot what i am trying to do, so i am only able to "rotate" a few seconds.

Just in case that dizzyness or head exploding feeling cames back, is it safe to let it continue, or it's just a matter of practising this until it doesn't happen anymore ?

Ask if it is your guide . Ask for a confirmation sign.Try using a pendalum . If you search archives here you might find links

Hum... that about asking for a confirmation sign, are you sure this works with everyone, even those that never had any psychic ability ? Since i am a kind of "ex-skeptic"... I also tried to use the pendulum before many times for ESP, but unfortunately it doesn't work, i mean, it doesn't show any indication of ESP, so i presume that in such case it's not good to rely on the pendulum for asking such confirmation for a spirit guide ?

Yes it is , all can develop clairvoyance thru meditation , energy raising and practice seeing in dim light thru the 3rd eye .

Oh, thanks a lot, even tough remember i meant mostly about using hypnagogic imagery to achieve this, since it seems that all other kinds of training never had any effect on me, even energy raising, but this one of hypnagogic imagery seems to be the one most confortable to me and very similar to what people descrive as remote viewing (when seeing images) or clairvoyance...

I guess try not using your hands and see what will happen?

I tried that douzens of times : nothing happens, and believe me i tried manytimes...

Cover it with a glass to be sure that there is no wind.

Same as above, when trying to move it without hands, sometimes i even stay there about 10 minutes and it never moves. BUT I tried a experence : while i had my hand near, the psywheel spinned with considerable speed (this is not wind for sure, since the movement is very fluid and constant, without any jerky movements) then very slowly i started covering it with a container (a translucent plastic cup, like a ear swab container) and as soon as it reached about the middle of the height, the movement stopped, then i tried moving it up again very slowly, and then the movement resumed !! (also it's not the wind caused by the container being moved, since that causes just jerky movements in the psywheel).

What the heck of "force" is this that is NOT able to move trought physical containers, BUT is able to make the psywheel spin even when at 10-15 centimeters of distance?! Very weird indeed.

Unless, that it's the amazing possibility that the subconcious is making the "flow" stop just because i am seeing the container covering the psywheel, and that probably my subconcious don't believe that the energy can go trought the container.

Now the problem is HOW can i test if this is the problem, because the only way i know to test this is someone lowering the container without me knowing in which moment its being lowered, and of course i have NO one to ask to do this for me, since everyone i know is very skeptic about this kind of stuff and i don't "dare" asking them to do this for me ! lol

Like, i am putting my hands near the psywheel (mostly only one hand), and i noticed that the psywheel immediatly starts to spin clockwise with left hand and counter-clockwise when using my right hand. Now, after douzens of testings i came to the conclusion that it's not air or my breath, or even my hand's heat because sometimes this works when my hand is about 10-15 centimeters away from it! (and as soon as i remove it completly, the psywheel stops immediatly and doesn't move anymore). Also my hands aren't hot at the time i do this either, this works exactly the same as when they are very cold.

Another thing is that the psywheel sometimes spins nonstop in the same direction, in a CONSTANT speed (without any jerks) for 2 minutes sometimes, if i don't move my hand farther away.

Also when i do this, i feel minor twitching/minor spasms in small spots in my arm of the hand i am using, and also if i do this for more then 10-15 minutes, i seem to get tired (mostly needing of hyperventilating). Also usually i get a pain in the exact top of my head.

Altough the main reasons i think this isn't psychokinesis is never i never get any control of it (mental), and that when covering the psywheel with a container it absolutly NEVER moves.

I think that all these conditions clearly indicates this IS psychokinesis, right ? And that it's just a matter of practise to being able to control this with the mind, even when using hands near ?

It's because i don't know if it's possible to have full control of the psywheel while using the energy from hands, specially because of the "predefined" directions that each hand makes the psywheel rotate...

Also, is anyone here able to invert at will the direction of the movement of the psywheel, using the SAME hand ?

sometimes, when i try seeing the aura of my fingers, after some time of looking at them, i start seeing some swirling sparkling dark rays around the skin of my palms (in the rims) and fingers, very faint of course, but i am able to see them well also when looking directly at them. Is this really aura vision, or it's possible to be some kind of optical vision of the physical eyes ?

another thing that i am always confused, is how to distinguish between after images and auras, if in that pdf file from robert bruce to see auras, the colors from auras he says, match exactly the colors i see in after images... (for example, usually the after image of my hands are always green).

i have two questions about spirit guides :

1. Is it possible to meet or see spirit guides in hynagogic imagery/image streaming ? Because sometimes i see faces in there, it's like i am dreaming, only that in the back of my mind somehow i know that i am awake and not sleeping.

2. If i see it during my dreams or hypnagogic imagery, how i am supposed to know which is my spirit guide or not or if i have met it? Because i never seemed to have dreamed about anthing similar to a spirit guide... in fact i never had any "premonitory" dream at all...

3. This one isn't exactly related to spirit guides, but it's something that almost no one is able to reply to me : is it possible to develop clairvoyance or ESP by practising to remain alert by inducing or trying to control hypnagogic imagery ?

ah, forget about the private message, it's not necessary sending it anymore.