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cool boydster, thanks!
I think breathing exercises work the best.

I strongly agree with this, along with chanting or other meditative intonations.

These days, our bodies are not very well matched to disciplines such as pure meditation or energy work. Compared to our brothers in the east and to the bodies we wore in ages past, we are highly distractible, very physically grounded people.

And so to gather momentum in spiritual directions it helps to have physical activities which you can do over and over and which don't necessarily depend on a superhuman ability to concentrate for long periods. Chanting and breathing exercises are really good tools for us in the west to make steady progress on the path.

Sex entities are good at projecting thoughts, emotions, desires and images of what they think you want. And they love to take your energy. But they don't love the way we do, in my opinion. They are like insects.

I was reading a treatise on yogic breathing and found this section which sounds a lot like NEW:

"The general principles of the Grand Breath may be summed up in the old Hindu saying " Blessed is the Yogi who can breathe through his bones." This exercise will fill the entire system with prana, and the student will emerge from it with every bone, muscle, nerve, cell, tissue, organ and part energized and attuned by the prana and the rhythm of the breath. It is a general housecleaning of the system, and he who practices it carefully will feel as if he had been given a new body, freshly created, from the crown of his head to the tips of his toes. We will let the exercise speak for itself.


Lie in a relaxed position, at perfect ease.
Breathe rhythmically until the rhythm is perfectly established.
Then, inhaling and exhaling, form the mental image of the breath being drawn up through the bones of the legs, and then forced out through them; then through the bones of the arms; then through the top of the skull; then through the stomach; then through the reproductive region; then as if it were travelling upward and downward along the spinal column; and then as if the breath were being inhaled and exhaled through every pore of the skin, the whole body being filled with prana and life.
Then (breathing rhythmically) send the current of prana to the Seven Vital Centres, in turn, as follows, using the mental picture as in previous exercises

To the forehead.
To the back of the head.
To the base of the brain.
To the Solar Plexus.
To the Sacral Region (lower part of the spine).
To the region of the navel.
To the reproductive region.

Finish by sweeping the current of prana, to and fro from head to feet several times.


Finish with Cleansing Breath. "

I knew that this practice of pulling in prana via pathways other than the lungs had to be known and practiced in other cultures and at other times. But this is the first definite reference to it that I've found.

I don't think that this takes anything away from Robert Bruces New Energy Ways at all. His tactile awareness techniques are very good, especially for the highly distracted and distractible people of our age.

For anyone interested, here is the link to the entire treatise--it's really, really good, I think:

http://www.arfalfa.com/ScienceOfBreath/ScienceOfBreath.htm

I get sensations like that sometimes when I am in a place which simply doesn't have much much prana to suck in, or if the receptors on my feet or hands are not activated enough. It feels like I've just sucked all the meridians in my legs or arms dry of energy and pulled it into my trunk.  It tickles or feels cold until the receptors have caught up with gathering energy from the atmosphere again.

I definitely get better results at certain times and places. Experiment with different settings and times and see if you get different results.

It in fact happened to me a few times already, where i saw very brightly and vividly colorful "mecanisms" turnign, like wheels inside each others, a supernova exploding etc.

Hi Kalonek,

What you describe here is what I remember seeing at first when my spiritual vision began to open up and become more useful.

I think that a useful thing for you to practice is disciplining the faculty of the attention so that you can calmly gaze at what you are viewing (with eyes either open or closed) without being distracted by any physical senses or emotions or anything. What you have to do is learn to be able to focus your attention with total control.

Another thing is that you can help yourself by just raising the vibration of your physical brain by filling it with prana by practicing NEW and yogic breathing. Your brain has to be clear enough to register the subtle impulses from your astral and etheric senses. I'm not talking about chakras here--I'm talking about the brain.

Good to hear from you!! I hope your discoveries continue.

I've been practicing NEW for a few months now and I'm really pleased with the whole thing. I've been very active on a spiritual path for about 25 years and have tried and mastered a number of spiritual practices, but until now I didn't have a way to instantly gain energy like this.

I am past the stage with the heavy vibrations and other symptoms of clearing energy blockages in my arms and legs. Now I can create a magnetic pull from within my sub-naval center and create a very brisk flow of energy up my legs within seconds and hold it flowing wide open for as long as I want without any breath synchronization, just will and concentration (even watching TV). It usually takes me about 10-15 minutes to get a full, bubbly feeling in my lower abdomen which leaves me feeling slightly as though I need to pee (even if I've just gone).

The thing is that I've done a lot of development work on my main chakras for the last 20 years or so and the structures there are quite cleaned out and resiliant. So I'm very aware of them and especially for the upper 4 chakras, I can easily control the flow of Light to or from them, in or out. So what happens is that I'm very accustomed to pulling a small measured quantity of Kundalini up and stimulating my heart, crown and brow chakras and I can feel them all the time. And sometimes when I'm doing the NEW full body circuit thing, the light just doesn't feel inclined to go all the way down to the subnaval center and instead begins to aggregate in the upper two centers, probably because my consciousness lives up there mostly. I know that Robert Bruce says not to do this so I've tried to keep with his suggestion of cacheing the stuff only in the subnaval center. But I haven't noticed any of the negative effects he mentions as being hazzards of pouring energy into the upper centers. After this had gone on for a while I've said what the heck a few times and just completely filled the subnaval, the heart and the sub-brow centers until they just didn't feel as though they were taking any more in. Nothing bad happened to me at all. No headaches or paranoia or any of that stuff. Of course I had to master some of that stuff in my mid 20's when my Kundalini became active (I'm 43 now). Maybe I've burned out all the crud that can cause the problems he mentions.

So my question is to those of you who have been doing this (NEW) longer than I have, do you ever purposely fill the upper centers and if so have you ever had bad experiences with it? I imagine it's a little like what happens with Kundalini--it energizes whatever is there, good or bad. If you haven't cleared out the cobwebs, then you might have some bad trips...if you know what I mean. So I'm thinking that's why Robert wrote the blanket statement of not doing it. But I'd like to hear from others who might have another take on this. Or any other NEW comments you might have.

It's definitely helped my overall vitality level and improved my sleep quality too. I sometimes wonder if this general phenomenon which Robert calls NEW is a type of yoga that most adepts know about and use to keep them healthy without sleep or food. Comments?

Thanks!!

I realized after posting something about this on another thread that it might make an interesting thread by itself.

A long time ago a friend told me that within the old occult schools there was a practice of passing a stainless steel sword over the surface of ones body to cut astral entities off which may have latched on while mingling with crowds. It was explained to me that stainless steel has the ability to strongly affect structures in the real time and astral planes.

I do it quite regularly and I can vouch for the efficacy of this practice. It's a two pronged thing for me--the stainless steel has an effect all of it's own, but I also endow the sword with talisman-like qualities by saying mantras and shooting fire out the end of the sword when I need to affect something at a distance. The positive energy and "intent" which is charged into my sword (just a little 1.5 footer) has become formidible over the years.

If you're feeling drained or you feel emotions or thoughts in you that "just don't seem like you..." try this:

Get a kitchen stainless steel knife (big!!) and pass it over all the surfaces of your body, paying special attention to the soles of your feet around the heels, and the back of your neck. Charge the action with your "intent" to cut the beasties off of you and add the thought that "I am the owner here...you have to go!!". Make the passes to be a cutting action, but be careful not to cut yourself! I keep the passes about one inch from my body surface.

I can almost guarantee you that you'll get hair-raising sensations and maybe some cramping or fear sensations in your solar plexus. It's the beasties trying to get you to stop. I just keep on making calm but vigorous passes with the sword and saying mantras until the sensations cease. Since I don't want them to jump on my kids or wife, I ask Archangel Michael to seize them and take them away to prison or some place where they can't bother people.

I was very suprised to not see this trick in Robert Bruces book. But I guess he just hadn't ever heard of it. I on the other hand had never encountered his water tricks and I'm delighted to experiement with that. It's a little easier to explain away walking your children through water (to an unbelieving in-law) than it is to explain waving a sword around a little kid. If you know what I mean.

Try this. I'me very interested to hear about others experiences. I don't need confirmation--I have that myself. But I'd be happy if it helped some people. After you do it for a while and you have your sword charged up you can clear people remotely and all kinds of cool stuff.

Hi Kalonek!!

Good to see you around again. I haven't had any experiences which resemble yours. So I'm not sure what it was.

It sounds like there was an excess of energy in the root chakra which had to go somewhere. Maybe Kundalini, maybe not. One thing I was thinking about is RB mentioning his chakras "strobing" light up the next chakra sometimes when they got too charged up. I've never experiences anything like that either, but you might want to reread what he says about this and see if it sounds familiar.

I hope life is very good for you....

What use is this that you are trying to do?

I'm really trying to understand your motivation for this effort.

quote:Originally posted by funinfloating111

 thanks for the info boydster, i am taking things slowly. after my first real big energy raising, i kept doing it for almost a week. after that i had a horrible headache and felt tired all the time. bye!

Yeah, that's the kind of problem which I was trying to steer you away from. There are other potential problems also--such as pushing too hard and unleashing Kundalini to a degree that you are unable to control. I've read about and met quite a few people who lived for years in a private hell of no sleep and near insanity from a prematurely unleashed, uncontrollable Kundalini.

It would be good to read as much as you can about this stuff and go slow.

quote:Originally posted by kalratri


How can anyone be attracted to evil?  I don't get it.

I mean let's really look at evil. How much fun could it be to hurt babies, animals, perform really sick sexually deviant acts (outside and inside the species), get diseases, give diseases, make people into soap (Hitler).

There's also the occasional possessed dictator causing massive holocausts against defenseless people, and that includes killing little babies.

I mean, sheesh!  How fun can it be?  Evil people should really think about it.



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What you bring up is almost an entire different thread.

The psychology of evil and rebellion against the Source seems to the rest of us to be like an unexplainable insanity.

Suffice it to say, the Source gives them plenty of chances of see and embrace the Light before they are put out of their misery permanently.

quote:Originally posted by kalratri


well, ahem.  There are so many people who claim that they have attained Nirvana/moksha...so many coming from India, that I thought I should make a suggestion.

If you really want to test any of these claims, do something to that person that ought to hurt like crazy any ordinary person...if he escapes everytime or doesn't even wince and not one drop of blood falls, than you know this person is for real, otherwise this so called "guru" is just crazy trying to make money and probably doesn't have a clue as to what attaining Nirvana is.  

Another clue as to THE REAL DEAL, is if he's the picture of health, strong, good skin/hair, strong shiny eyes,etc. That's also a sign of someone who knows energy.  The person should not have lose aging skin, look horrible.  IN FACT, ALL sages who have attained anything were NOT ugly or unhealthy looking but were in fact attractive.  True nirvana destroys all imperfections of the body and soul.

Ofcourse, if the guy is for real, then he might curse you and you get a horrible neg infestation.
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Here is some info about Babaji--he's not your ordinary Indian guru:

http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/33.asp

I think you activated it. I don't know anything about the 21 years old thing. I wouldn't worry about it.

I've been doing things like you describe since I was about 22 years old (I'm 44 now) and I'd say that if you go kinda slow and let your body equalize for a few days between exercises such as you describe, you'll be fine.

The thing is, the benefit gained from exercises like this is cumulative--you aren't just "activated forever" now that you've had an experience such as you describe. What you're doing is gradually (and this may take years of persistent practice) energizing and developing the etheric counterparts to your astral body chakras. And as they are gradually developed, they begin to function as conduits between your already developed astral senses and your physical brain and consciousness. This is a step in the direction of clairvoyance and cosmic consciousness.

Be nice to your body. Don't push too hard. Go slow. There are lots of bodies littering this trail....

quote:Originally posted by SomeBloke


Hi Boydster, I notice your avatar is Babaji, (are you are kriyaban?) Do you think he exhibited some of both paths as described in the link above?  Would he make a distinction?

The link you included is one which I did read very carefully recently in order to try to figure out where this apparent dichotomy of definitions appeared from.

Babaji is what I aspire to be like. I know him from reading SRF books and from some other sources as well. I am not formally associated with the SRF but I adore the books and the mission of the organization. It's just not my group of people at this point though.

I have been engaged in various yogic practices for over half of my 44 years and recently convinced a friend to loan me his kriya instruction book. I read most of it and felt as though I understand what it is about. I tried it (kriya yoga) several times and found it to be safe and effective. I will probably adopt it more into my life as time goes on, adding it to the things I already do regularly.

As for how Babaji defines the left handed path--who knows? The important part for me is that Babaji has sacrificed himself for the salvation of the unascended souls of this planet. He has delayed his rightfully earned escape into the bliss of nirvana in order to spend his time teaching and raising up those in need. I don't believe that any of his activities at this point are for "himself". He lives toward the end of all mankind attaining their ultimate respective goals.

Did he spend time earlier in his life working to free himself from the bondage of his karma or to work on raising his consciousness out of the limitations of the mortal brain/mind? Of course. And you could call that self-centered I guess, from a limited point of view. But I don't define that as the left handed path, myself. I would call it "taking care of business" before getting on with the ultimage goal of service to life.

quote:Originally posted by runlola
Anyway, what is this thread about again? What's attractive about using black magick?<--is that the question?

Mathias used the term "left handed path" in connection to comments about black magic practices and ever since then (it seems) we've been debating about the definition of "left handed path". It seems to have pushed the buttons of a number of people, including me, who have a fairly well conceived personal definition of the term, but whose various disparate definitions don't match up well.

My interest in the thread is prolonged when I see comments like this:

quote:Originally posted by Moonburn33
i don't really see the problem with self aggrandizement and ego worship.

Maybe Moonburn is just baiting me, maybe not. Either way I feel compelled to make comments to the effect that what you put your energy and attention into really does have consequences, even the apparent harmlessness of self idolatry and selfishness in ones personal choices. It sets up the next few dominos of ones experiences or even lives which bring understanding (sometimes painfully) to the one who elects so. Thus my previous comments:

"Followers (of the LHP) tend to make more karma which drags them into costly payback scenarios over a number of lifetimes. It tends to create spiritual blindness and vulnerability due to the undesireable connections and attractions the follower tumbles into."

It might take time to arrive at, but it is inexorably true that the LHP is a regretable decision. I'm not talking about instant payback, like one week later you regret a decision. I'm talking about your soul gets to the end of a particular run of a half dozen lives and can see clearly that he regrets a decision he made a few thousand years ago which created karmic debts and delays which played out slowly and expensively over several (or more) lifetimes.

I hope this frames my comments better. This is the way I see this issue--what does a decision cost over the period of many lifetimes, not just my current little stage act. If we make our decisions based on the feedback we get from day to day we tend to resemble, in the long run, blind men running.

I did a whole bunch of reading online about the different ideas behind the left handed and right handed paths. It seems to me that there are two distinctly different descriptions for these terms out there. Some people here are referring to a description which I had never heard of, and which seems to be the basis for Kalratri's remarks (and others as well).

My background regarding these terms is rooted in their useage by Blavatsky's teachers, the Masters Morya, Koot Hoomi, Djwal Kul and others. And the term "left handed path" is, from this perspective, nicely summed up and also fairly restricted to Nita's description:

quote:Originally posted by Nita

...people on the left hand path follow the path of mentalism and thinking that they themselves are the only power. They have personal power and do not use anything else. They follow the path of Ego and self-aggrandizement.

Neither I nor anyone else here to my knowledge insinuated that the left handed path is all "black magic". I would, however, like to insinuate that the left handed path (my definition of it...) is not the most sure way to lasting health and happiness. Followers tend to make more karma which drags them into costly payback scenarios over a number of lifetimes. It tends to create spiritual blindness and vulnerability due to the undesireable connections and attractions the follower tumbles into.

I myself tend more towards a path of devotion to female deities such as Kali, Shakti and Mother Mary. A real important part of my path is the persistent raising of the Kundalini into my upper chakras, not for personal power or magic though. It is so that I may join, as Shakti, my Lord, my Higher Self or Shiva form. It is through the divine feminine polarity that I may rise into oneness with the Source.

I think, as you point out, many if not most spiritual luminaries have risen to their positions through paths which include worshipping and becoming one with the divine feminine polarity. My point of contention is that, to my knowledge, none of THEM terms this the left handed path. I've read quite of bit of teachings by the ascended members of the spiritual hierarchy of this planet and they seem to be pretty consistent in THEIR use of the term. And, once again, it mirrors what Nita mentions. My comments about the left handed path, if they seem disparaging, refer only to the definition I choose to accept and use.

I think we're getting lost in semantics here.

I do not consider that worshipping the deity in it's feminine form is evil or wrong. But then I've never heard of Goddess worship as being called the "left handed path" either. I point once again to Nita's definition as probably the most widely understood meaning of "left handed path".

You all are free to define it as you will, of course.

I've never seen the term defined this way before in any literature at all.

Nita's definition is the closest to my understanding of "Left handed path" that I've seen in this thread.

Thank you, Nita--that was very coherent and eloquent.

Aryanknight666, you mentioned, "You are mistaken if you think the occult adepts have always been sourceophiles, because to be quite frank, these notion of jesus, buddha, krishna, all being mystic prophets of the "I AM" maker source, are really quite young, and you're famous occultist or occult adepts came before these theories ever existed. And, just for the record, most if not all of them were of the left hand path.".

Upon what do you base these statements? Lifetimes of personal experience and study lead me to disagree with you totally.

Buy Astral Dynamics and read the NEW section over and over. Follow the directions and heed the warnings.

Commit yourself to daily, consistent practice--not for months, but for years. Challenge yourself and figure out ways to measure your progress.

The reward is great.

There are a lot of good hearted people in America who pray daily for the office of the president--regardless of what human is occupying the seat. They are praying that the representative of that office will be inspired and protected from harm. I believe that archangels take these prayers as permission to act in our world and that they carry out the type of protection you are mentioning.

I further believe that this protection is a *lot* more powerful than a bunch of self-styled "psychics" or the hatemongering of morons, wherever they may be on earth.

Also, as Volcomstone mentions, the more desireless and morally "clean" a person is, the harder it is to attack them.

quote:Originally posted by Moonburn33

i follow the left-hand path because i felt like something was missing when i did otherwise.  I am a very happy person because of this.  it's not about being petty- it's about knowing what you want and realizing that the key to happiness is following your true desires.

Here is another spin on this. I believe that what we call desires come from a variety of sources. Some of these are due to promises or vows we made before taking incarnation, in the attempt to make evolutionary progress. Some are the desiring of our higher self, filtering down the stairway of consiousness into our dreams or our waking desires and emotions. Other desires (many....) are the result of the animal nature of these bodies that we inhabit. Still other desires are the result of influences from without--both good and bad, such as due to tramp discarnates who still harbor cravings due to obsessions or addictions during life. Or you could be inspired by your spirit guide, etc.

My point is that with all these influences happening, it takes a lot of discrimination to get through these lives we live without making a bunch of karma each time we touch down; probably more discrimination than 99% of us have. That's why it takes study, reflection and attuning to your higher self in order to find a rough set of rules to help us live by until we have the working, conscious discrimination of an adept.

We've all done this to some degree or another. And my only comment further is that everything I've ever encountered from my personal search leads me to believe that what people call the "left handed path" if followed to it's conclusion, leads to the failure of the mission of that soul, ultimate unhappiness and even the "erasing" of that unique identity.

"Whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it".

This is a very deep occult law.

I'd like to hear Rastus' answer, but to me it sounds like he's saying that the greatest reward comes to those who serve others (aka: serve their own higher self by serving/helping the lower self [souls] of others--under the premise that we are all one vast, extended lifestream).

The true occult adepts down through the ages have always advised to forget yourself and do your duty to the Maker/Source via service to His souls evolving here in these planes of consciousness.

Rastus?

quote:Originally posted by Andromache

Whats the name of the soap, share it with us.

It's not commercially available. I buy home made soaps at craft fairs from people who are really into it. Just look there for the stuff that smells like concentrate of pine needles. Every booth which sells this kind of stuff seems to have their own version of the pine stuff. It's kind of nice if it has oatmeal in it too.

quote:Originally posted by Moonburn33

maybe severing from "the source" is what the source had in mind for its reflections?


i follow the left-hand path because i felt like something was missing when i did otherwise.  I am a very happy person because of this.  it's not about being petty- it's about knowing what you want and realizing that the key to happiness is following your true desires.

Hi Moonburn,

I'm not sure if we're talking about the same "left handed path". For instance, would you purposly do harm to others for personal gain? Would you do spells against people to try to kill them because they offended you or ticked you off? Would you manipulate and destroy others lives in order to gain for youself financial or sexual domination? Would you consort with demons or other spiritual black holes in order to have a chance at "changing your luck"? This type of thing is what I'm referring to when I talk about ultimate selfishness.

I don't think most people would consider "following your heart" to be the same as the "left handed path".

Regarding, "maybe severing from "the source" is what the source had in mind for its reflections?"---from an occult standpoint, the source IS YOU, as in your higher self, which is equal to and one with the higher self of every other soul. Choosing to be severed from the Source is to identify completely with a wholly temporal and artificial lower creation which we experience when we come down here to incarnate in a body.

Your soul is just a small portion of what YOU really are. When a soul does this divorce thing, the soul is cutting himself off from the source of life (his higher self) and is eventually lost. Yes, souls can be lost. They become so dark that the only recourse is to "recycle" the energy, kind of like erasing a tape. There is a spiritual hierarchy who is in charge of such things.