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I hope this isn't too strange of a question but..

I'm curious if anyone, while in the astral, has attempted to contact Robert Monroe and if so, what did he have to share since his death? What has he been doing?

I was wondering that to myself and i figured maybe some of the more experienced projectors here might have already attemted this if they are a fan of him and his work.

Great points by all!   

Ok... Maybe it is normal then. I started the gateway experience today i think i will like that ine better anyway and it sounded more like what i expected. The tones along with the waves. Did the f3 orientation so i am excited now it worked really well for me.. Atleast this first session.

To anyone who has listened to these hemisync sessions, is it supposed to sound like air whooshing or are my headphones messed up? Lol

It sounds nothing like a binaural beat to me and i believe that hemisync was patented by Robert Monroe, but is supposed to be some sort of binaural beat.

Also, if anyone wants to post their experience with this, or other Monroe Institute products... I would welcome that. I realize some of you frown on binaural beats and such based on other posts I have got responses to in the past, but the Monroe products come highly recommended by Robert Bruce so I figured I would give them s looksie.

I've concluded that you eventually reach a point where there is no value in any "belief system", even our physical reality which to me is no more than a collective belief system anyway.

All belief systems are incomplete at best, and will limit your growth at some point since they are inherently restrictive. Many are based on fear too, which makes them even more of hindrance to growth.

My spiritual life has grown significantly since I've unloaded this kind of excess baggage.

I again agree, however I would like to point out that so many of us refer to religions and such as belief systems.. Which they are. But, is not what we here on this forum believe.. Also a belief system? I ask because I believe certain things about life, reality, the afterlife, souls, etc.. That are a culmination of various experiences and beliefs... But is that different than a belief "system" because it is not so mainstream or based in fear? I realize alot of relgious belief systems are based on fear but maybe not all that would be called that are. What do you think?

It's just another rigid belief system, just like the ones they claim to be opposed to. I have met a lot of fundamentalist religious people, but even the worst of them are loving when compared to some of the atheists. To some of them, belief in anything spiritual means you are weak, stupid, ignorant and dismissive of the almighty SCIENCE. And they often have really arrogant attitudes and no trouble telling you what they think of your inferior status as a believer in things unproven by science. The fundamentalist religious people have nothing on them.

I agree 100% as that has been my experience with them as well.

[materialist]

materialist (physicalist, humanist, reductionist, close-minded skeptic, esp. the latter surely not being a self-titled one  )

I find it very funny (but also sad) how many of these people who call themselves athiests have no clue what they really are. Yet they are so determined to lash out at and try to convert everyone around them to their same belief (or lack of belief) system. This is why I think that this belief has become a religion in itself because they are making it a mission to convert other people, there are churches devoted to it, and they are spending lots of money on advertising (I have seen alot of billboards.)

I have the same thing. I have read that many people meditate/phase by concentrating on their breathing. Concentrating on my breathing makes me hyper ventilate.

So, to rectify that, I do the exact opposite. I totally lose any sense/focus on anything my physical body is doing and turn my focus completely inward or outward.

It took awhile of practicing to be able to do this because you need to have 100 % belief that your physical body will be ok. Just knowing that I go to sleep every night and already do this unconsciously was proof that everything would be ok. 

Maybe this is something different but..

I have gone through phases of this where i almost cant sleep because everytime I start to drift off i swear it feels like all breathing stops. Not trying to project but just relaxing getting into that threshhold between sleep and awake, I feel that suffucation feeling but when i come back and breath again, I am not out of breath. I mean I feel almost positive that I am not breathing but eventually i end up falling asleep and wake up the next day still alive lol. It does feel like a heaviness on my chest preventing the automatic breathing from working.

Maybe next time I will try to ignore it and see what happens. Its very scary though cause it really feels sorta like you are dying. I thought also it was some sort of sleep apnea but like I say, it comes and goes i phases and only lasts about two weeks.

They might be a tiny minority, but that doesn't mean there is no difference between an atheist and a spiritual atheist, there is quite a big one. I wouldn't visit an atheist forum, nowadays, at least from my experience, most atheists are actually anti-theists obsessed with science and bent on ridiculing each and every thing that is remotely spiritual in some way. They call religious folks closed minded when they themselves seem to be incredibly closed minded to anything that cannot be "proven" by science.

Well then you understand what I am saying because I have known quite a few athiests.. Ppl who call themselves athiests, and they have all told me that thy believe when you die, you are just dead and there is nothing beyond this physical life. They all say they believe life, consciencenessl, and the entire universe is some sort of coincidence that happened by random. I have hever heard of a spiritual athiest but all the athiests I have known are not spiritual... After all, if there is no god or source, or any higher form of conscienceness than us, how could their be an afterlife? (In their eyes)

Maybe the formal definition of athiest only refers to not believing in gods but if that is so, then what is the proper term for all these people who believe in nothing whatsoever other than a one time physical life? Cause they have all certainly adopted the term.

Wow, I didn't really know that my belief had such a name. Thank You CFT for that!  

I used to search for answers and labels as well. Is there a God, isn't there a God? What is God? When I was younger I was in Church choirs, went to Church Camps, was at all the Church functions, until one day I went to our Minister's residence for a brief Church party. He had a huge home and 2 New Yorkers and a new Corvette for his daughter.

I looked around at all the other parishioner's cars that were there and saw that they were old and beat up. But, every Sunday I saw these people giving away basically their last money to he Church. That was my first eye opener as a child. Then later on I started to read and listen to what was being said in Church, once I was old enough to go to the adult portion, since I had always been in the Child portion of the Church (Sunday School). I heard that God struck down the bad, but blessed the good. I knew that many of the people there had their own problems, some were Alcoholics, some were abusers of children and their spouses, etc. But they would go every week and think that their actions for the last 6 days would magically be forgiven. All of this was very confusing for a young child to see. I didn't feel I wanted any part of this charade anymore. So I quit going to Church.

I still believed what was in my heart and didn't think I needed to be in any certain place to pray or show my respect to God. This opened me to the idea that God was everywhere in everything. That God wasn't a singular, but was part of everything around.

My AP explorations later on in life reinforced this belief. It's not that I don't believe in God, it's that I believe God as the pure Source of all, existence, Consciousness itself.

I don't believe that God "directly" created man, but we will leave that for another discussion someday!  

Very true Lionheart! I have realised this a while back as well... It really bugged me seeing how first of all, what use would God have for money? Then why would it have to be a certain percentage of your income? All nonsense then if you pass the plate without giving cause maybe you don't have anything to spare, you get the stares and glares. lol It is all such a scam like so much other stuff... It has been currupted by man.

I am going to assume that arent any athiest APers here since I havent heard from any. I didn't really expect to but was hoping to cause I think it would start a very big and deep conversation. One of the couple of people I heard talking like that was a guy on youtube from England who talks about AP but also alot of other things. I am going to assume that he either hasnt figured himself and life out yet or he never has really projected cause alot of what he says doesnt make much sense to me.

Your wife is a very wise person.

Forget about labels. They hinder progress. Don't say:

I am X.
I am Y.
I am Z.

You are not that. It's an illusion you created in this life.

Drop XYZ and say "I am." instead. No X, Y or Z. This is closest to the truth.

You are not Christian, you are not Atheist. This is all personal history accounts which the ego depends on and tries to limit itself by becoming segregated from other people, groups, histories, etc. It needs this to feed on it. To reach self-gratification by being "special", ironically it often does so by 'belonging' to a group with certain set beliefs and world views.

In truth, it's more simple: You are.

In your first post, you even only offered two labels to choose from  (Christian vs. Atheist) which is even more limited. If you're no Christian (I am not) you are automatically Atheist? I don't think so.

I am in no religion but I don't consider myself Atheist, most of all since I do not want to put any labels on me, but also since I 'believe' (if you will) in the mystical "Source" view of God or All-That-Is.

Unfortunately, this is how many discussions in our society still are going on, like this:

"You are not this (what I am), so you are that, because there is only Y or Z. So I can (as member of Y) argue against you (as member of Z), or even fight you, at least with arguments..." .... and so on...

We should get beyond these kinds of discussions and discourses if we want to evolve, or simply 'grow up'.

Ok, while I agree with your comments about labels... This POLL isnt about me. I probably shouldnt have posted my own thoughts on it since it is getting people off topic. So I have altered my response above in the hopes to keep people on topic. i also never gave people a "choice" between christian or athiest. I made a comment about Christians which has also been removed as to not confuse people as to what the question here is.

**The question is, are their any people here who have successfully projected to the astral, that consider themselves athiests. If so, why?**

While you may not choose to label your beliefs, labels exist for most beliefs and religions out there.... For instance... Some people may just call themselves spiritual or agnostic meaning they believe in an afterlife and a source or god, but not other aspects of religion like hell and the devil etc.

Athiests believe in no afterlife, no god, no soul, nothing at all. Which is why I can't understand how someone who has asral projected could possibly believe in this way. My guess is the people in this category are a minority and there probably are not alot of them here.

I used to be a fundamentalist Christian, but not any more. I've evolved quite a ways beyond that. I still do believe in some kind of "source" which some might call God.

I think that AP helps show you that our consciousness is what manifests the reality that we experience, that consciousness is outside of time and space and is also connected. From there the concept of some kind of "source" and consciousness continuing on seems to make sense as well, at least for me.

To me, consciousness must be eternal. It is something that just IS and must exist outside of space and time. I've often asked myself: how can a consciousness being simply become nothing? Some believe it can, because they believe that consciousness requires a human brain. I think consciousness exists outside of our physical reality. That's something you can also experience through AP.

I feel exactly the same and I do believe in "source" which I call God.

Hi all,

I have an interesting question I want to pose and hear as many opinions as possible from anyone who has projectd successfully.

My question is, how many of you who have successfully been to the astral, consider yourself athiests? And also, if you were an athiest and changed your mind after projecting I would like to hear from you as well.

I have heard of a few people who claim they have projected but still call themselves an athiest which makes no sense to me... Being that athiest believe in nothing after death, that you just are gone. It seems to me that projecting and interacting with entities and spirits would be proof enough that there IS an afterlife at the least.

I am not an athiest I just am curious about this subject because it seems contradictory.

Well if it does make me face my daemons, its meant to, but thank you for the heads up I meditated just now with the crystals I got today and the one thing I noticed that was out of the ordinary was a increased level of energy. I had alot more energy than I usually do and also I had much easier to stay focused. The ones I got hold of today was Apophyllite, Iolite, Black Tourmaline and Moldavite. I had to roder the Astropphyllite as I mentioned earlier so when it arrives I will test it together with the others.

Moldavite was freaking expensive.. and the are apparently rare too. I just bought a tiny piece for about $15 i think (roughly translated from my currency to $ in my head). I will buy a larger piece in the future I think but it really is expensive...

One question, how do you hold a large piece of Apophyllite during meditation? And also, I put my smaller pieces on top of the Apophyllite, what do you do? (Im sitting up).

I found Moldavite to be crazy expensive locally also and paid way more than that for a small piece. But i found onlne you can get it cheaper.. Just becareful cause some people are selling fake ones on ebay.. Its easy to tell though, moldavite isnt a green piece of glass with air bubbles in it. LOL

This is wonderful guys.. thanks so much! Astralcody, yeah maybe you can lead that EVP section.. I tried to start with as many interests as I could based on what I am very into, and what I know others are. And I made that thread also about suggesting topics cause I am sure eventually ppl will come in that are looking for something I didn't think of. My goal is to get the forums buzzing and then start expanding some of the other areas of the site more. See you guys there

Thanks for the help from all of you guys.. it's pretty lonely over here right now.. only 1 registered user LOL.

I know it will take time but hopefully I can get atleast 10-20 people there to start actually having conversations for ppl to join in on.

I'll definitely check it out.

But yeah, I'm a member of MANY astral-related forums. 

Thanks very much you guys!

Yeah right now As desert rat said, i am the only one there.. I am going to make a few starter posts and then advertise as much as i can to try to get the word out. Looking foreard to it.

I will check out that forum .  I am a member of many . You dont need to "defect " form one to be a member of another .  Hear is a link to a post I made as Pavlina was shutting down http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/fun-recreation/71273-list-other-forums.html    I have some more I found after making that post and will post links if asked .  desert rat  
I can post your link on forums that I am a member if asked . 

Yes definately spread the word.. Thank you! I want to build it up to a massive online community and appreciate any help I get. I know people can be members of many forums, I just didnt want it to sound like I was spamming too much or anything.. Some people can view things kinda like that so just was trying to be as respectful as possible since I have never done that before

Thanks again for the help!

Hi everyone,

I have a little favor that I would like to ask and I hope I am not being too bold by doing so. First let me say that I absolutely am not trying to get anyone to defect from The Pulse.. I love it here and plan to remain active for a long time.. and if this post is not cool with any of the moderators, please don't hesitate to delete it, let me know, and accept my sincere appologies.

I have been working hard for awhile in my spare time on a new website that I would like to invite everyone to visit. There are still some areas under construction, but I have my forums up and couldn't think of a better group of people to help get it started properly. It is called Paranormal Portal... it's similar to the pulse but also covers a wide variety of paranormal topics outside of Astral Projection. The forum is just the start and I have alot of big plans to grow the site and community.. if anyone would like to be part of my community as well as the pulse, you are always welcome.

Content will be increasing soon, please visit www.paranormalportal.net

I hope to see you all there.

Thanks,

Astral-Trea

It's along the same lines as people getting irate if you don't believe in the 2012 Armageddon/prophecy/niburu thing... it's like they want it to happen for some bizarre reason. Maybe it's a romanticising type thing. They romanticise about there being this mass change in whatever way. But the reality of it would have them wishing on the other side of their face.

Maybe to discount demons as a reality automatically discounts all other biblical connotations.

But most people who do believe in demons tend to recount 3rd hand stories of possession and exorcism... 'there was this priest who..." "I heard of this time when..."

Whereas we (I mean those who are 'experienced' in nonphysical exploration) have first hand accounts... multiple times... running into thousands... that don't experience these things. I think that sometimes... maybe sometimes... belief can be overshadowed by experiential evidence. Is that an obtuse statement or does 'experience' not count for anything these days?

I am personally not wanting to get MY belief across and MAKE people see my point of view... I am basically trying to say 'look... just forget about demons... they are pointless to consider because there is so much MORE out/in there to experience" not that they are stupid for believing it.

I went through some of the most vicious and horrendous Sleep Paralysis episodes when I was younger.. .I thought they were real. I spent months trying to come to terms with it. But after repeated exposure I realised that they can't be real or harmful... just by process of elimination. I then learned how to have OOBEs from SP and after that didn't experience the fear anymore.

I agree... at this point.. I'd like to focus more on the better parts of the spirit world which I think is most of it

I just want to know why people want there to be Demons and nasty spirits. That's my confusion.

I don't think anyone WANTS there to be Demons and such.. I think just some people feel strongly that they exist and others feel strongly that they do not. For example, I do not WANT cancer to exist.. but it does exist... and I know that it does because of personal experience with it in my family.. so if someone came back and said it doesn't exist.. then I would probably have things to say to the contrary. This of course as I posted before, is one of the factual examples that differs from this which there is no proof one way or the other.

Lets all just respect each others beliefs.. if you believe in something someone else says is fiction.. just say your piece on it and leave it be. If what you said resonates with that person, it won't require any further arguing or convincing. If not, then you would have never been able to convince them anyway so it doesnt matter. I am open minded to the point where I can see things from most points of view objectively, but even I, like others on here, have caught myself saying someone is wrong and that what I am saying is right.. which I shouldn't do.

We should try to remember that we are not discussing something such as "orange's are the color orange when mature," which would be a fact that really couldn't be argued much. This is all stuff that is in a major grey area and different people experience it apparently in alot of different ways. I sometimes think it is good because when you get a variety of different experiences, even when they contradict each other, you have alot more evidence and things to base your conclusion on.. rather than just having one side of the coin. Nobody should be sorry for their opinion.

I tend to agree though, that fear based opinions are not productive and if one is given, I usually just recognize it as that and shy away from it.

I think Xanth once wrote something like "Your truth is not necessarily my truth."

Hey! Caught up on the reading here haha. There was many other times when I was scratched and never watched ghost shows. Walking... I would feel a super bad burn on my back. Sometimes I would feel it in my house and literally watch it form in the mirror. Some of them really burned bad.

Bedeekin has a solid point though... Everyone does. Personally I never experienced anything evil to me. I found the scratches rather interesting.

Another thing about those ghost shows is I do believe they are real. #1 because of the EVP'S. I do them all the time and have gotten shockingly clear voices to talk back to me. Thing is though on those shows... There's bloopers etc and one thing that makes me mad is if they hear a bump they automatically go... OH NOZ!  But yeah! To be honest I really don't know. I just go off my experiences and take it from there.

Hope that helped man
-Cody

I have to post this now LMAO.. You probably have seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObYL5YQi3lM&sns=em

I think you are probably a mature soul or old soul that is going through the awakening process.. The fact that you are pondering these things proves that. I think we all chose this and there are reasons why, but we forget intentionally so that we are not influenced by our cosmic knowledge and can live life fresh. I agree, this earth the we presently are experiencing is not very pretty anymore.. Its changed so much in my short 31 years and not for the better... But i think of it as a trap as much as i thought of school as a trap (i hated school and couldnt wait to be done.) 12 years of school was horrible to me and I almost dropped out towards the end but people talked me out of it and i am glad i didnt.

Now, like many others, sometimes I wish I could go back in time to high school and do things over again. Think of this in terms of life and maybe after that is over, we say the same things... Only we can go back and relive it over and over, experiencing different things each time. One time as a rich man, another time as a homeless man, one married, one not, etc.

It sounds horrible but i think honestly at this point, anyone who is going through this awakening is either close to his/her last life here, or they are currently living it. After getting so much experience, maybe the next step is to become spirit guides or something like that. Imagine being a spirit guide with a lack of experience in life right?

And I think of suicide as being held back a grade or quitting school.. You will just come back again and probably experience a worst life than before, or you will decend rather than ascend.

These are my thoughts on it

The point I am trying to make is we as humans do far worse than any Demon can do here. Demons are glamorized by movies and TV. People are taught fear, fear, fear. They talk about Demons scratching them or showing up in a Seance. They talk about seeing a Demon walk by. But they never talk about the fact that they themselves are still healthy, alive and kicking, even after their confrontations. Most people that talk about Demons are the ones that are looking for interaction with them.
Be careful what you wish for, it just might come true! 

Just for the record to get it out there.. I have absolutely NO desire to ever see, be around, or experience in any way,  a demon whether they exist or not.. Have to say that so that your last statement doesnt jinx me lol

This question/topic, is just an attempt to get different opinions on a subject I have no experience with and is part of my awakening process.. Kind of just trying to understand all I can about the universe and beyond.

Also let me just say that I personally am not going to say anyone is right or wrong here and I welcome all opinions. I am not qualified to give a definate opinion because like I say, I have no experience with this particular part of the supernatural.