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I appreciate the feedback and totally agree with you.

In retrospect, a lot of the chording I've seen came from the parents behavior towards their child while it was very young.

I'll try again.

Kyo, I appreciate the detailed answer and heartily agree with most everything.  

I think we would have free will whether spirit guides help us or not.  

Some people, like young children and ignorant people, can't help themselves when they're attacked.  So do they have free will if they are coerced into making a decision?  If they don't know they are victim to spirit attachment?  I don't think so.  

They can't choose with clarity and strength if they don't know how.  They need help because they definately figure things out on their own.  And they're not free until they have choices.

I think it is the responsibility good spirits and good spirited people to help them.

I don't believe in karma, by the way.

I do agree with you that we should be able to take care of ourselves, and I like the way you defined spirit attachment.

What happened to the stuff I typed?

I would like to try to use the download, if I can find it.  I am curious to find out how the sound works.

I know how binaural sound works:  play a sound that is 110 cycles per second in one ear, and play a sound that is 113 cycles per second in the other ear, and the two sides of the brain create a "ghost" sound of 3 cycles per second and the ghost sound should send you into Delta or Thets brainwave activity.

I don't know how sound might help you oobe, except to put you in a deep trance more easily.

The sensation in your throat might not be physical, in which case you should ignore it completely.  It says that in mr. bruce's treatise on OOBE.

The first person that called me a liar was a philosophy instructor, with his masters degree.  The second person was a very psychic woman who also had her PhD. in psychology, then there's my mother in law and a couple loser friends who are very afraid of death.  

At any rate, let me go into more death.  I mean depth.  (ha ha)

During the last couple years I've been working on remembering my past lives.  I've reached a point where I can go back no further (at least not yet) because I didn't exist until that point.  That's right, I remember my original birth.  If you haven't gone back that far yet you ought to because it's unlike any other memories you have, though I'm not going to spill the beans about it yet, in case some of you guys do it.

Anyways, the void in my dreams reminds me of a place I was during my "birth."

There are always different people around me, sometimes none, sometimes many, sometimes my family and friends, sometimes no one I know.  

I've died from gunshot wounds, once instantly from a shot to the forehead and once from bleeding to death slowly.  I've drowned, and been in other accidents, but mostly I die in some sort of struggle.

I'm not afraid of dying, apparently, since I've never been scared of dying in any of my dreams.

I agree that we carry over trauma/fear from our past lives into our current ones, but in general I've overcome mine by remembering the events.  I still carry some anger from some unresolved events, though.

quote:Originally posted by kyo

>>> If spirit attachment is as common as some people claim it to be, how can we know when any kind of choice is really the free choice of the person and not due to attachments? <<<

Each individual is not an island, certainly not energetically. Even on the physical, when you examine your thoughts, how much of it is your own, and how much influenced by your family, peers, government policies, and societal standards?

On the non-physical level, we exist in a sea of energy. By the principle of resonance, we attract to ourselves energies and entities of similar thought, emotion and vibration. These energies and entities then further add on, exacerbate, our thoughts and emotions, just as two drug abusers would only encourage each other on (that's not counting the non-physicals with them!).

On the subject of spirit or entity attachment, the more accurate term for the subject is INTRUSION. Intrusion simply means the influence or effect of an external entitiy that is intruding upon your energy field, thoughts and emotions. In the extreme case of intrusion, an attempt at possession (usually by strong Demonic entities, whether in direct or nestled intrusion). Entity ATTACHMENT (usually by psychotic post mortem eartbound human souls or fragments of), describes a situation in which the intruder has successfully established a permanent energetic attachment with the subject, akin to cancer which must be surgically removed, in this case vibrationally removed, best with psycho-therapy for the intruder, with the assistance of the guides & helpers. Afterall, the intruder must also be viewed as a being in need of assistance, him/her/itself a victim crying for help.

OVERSHADOWING, a rather generic term that refers to a situation in which the Intruding Entity, usually a dark (ie. vibrationally low) entity who is aware of what it is doing (unlike a psychotic post mortem human who is often dazed and unconsciously attaches to the subject; psychotic post mortem = a human who is psychologically unstable after death, aka "ghost"), does not actually attach itself energetically to the subject, but stays (non-physically) in the presence of the subject and continually tries to intrude, interfere, sabotage, manipulate and control the subject's life, usually with the aim of causing great damage on a spiritual and karmic level. The effect of which is not that much different from Attachment, but the mechanism differs.


Regardless of the type of intrusion involved, the nature of the Intruder may be human (psychotic post mortem or 'ghost', or even a mind fragment of a living person) or non-human (eg. entities conjured by magick and sorcery, astral wildlife, karmic homonculi, robotic-program type entities, etheric devices, psycho-viruses, extraterrestrials and the demonic, or Dark Force Entities (DFEs), of which there are different types of different origins belonging to different groups).

Higher Guides, Helpers, Angels, and all vibrationally and evolutionarily evolved Beings and Energies, NEVER Intrude or Overshadow. Such would, as you say, interfere with the free will choice of the subject, which is (on one level at least), a karmic violation. Higher Guides & Helpers only offer their assistance, energies, guidance, and a willingness to work with you, on very specific agendas and projects for the greater CosmoEthic good. And they do this only for those who ask of it, clearly and consciously. Those (non-physicals) who claim to be 'guides', but insist to telling you what to do, are actually Blind guides or false guides, in need of assistance themselves. The number of such entities are numerous, and is the cause of many disturbing cases of pple who claim to have negative experiences with their 'guides'.

Many of these Blind guides are themselves intruded or attached by other entities, not uncommonly, Dark Force Entities. There could be many layers of such attachments before the DFE involvement is revealed.

In case some might be tempted to wonder, "But why don't the higher guides & helpers remove these blind guides? Why do they still allow these blind guides to wreak havoc?"

The answer is the same reason why the higher guides & helpers 'allow' earthbound psychotic post mortem human souls to remain stuck in the various astral levels or Afterlife foci (eg. Focus 23 or 25). Or even why they 'allow' the existence or interference of Demonic Entities (DFEs) onto this Earth plane, etc.

The answer, is indeed the very same reason why they do not Intrude on you! It is because they do not interfere with the free will of others. Being a 'Blind guide', simply means any entity who is not actually vibrationally and evolutionarily qualified or trained to Guide or Help, but tries to do so anyway, invariably making things worse, interfering with and entangling itself into the subject's karma, because the Blind guide itself has a great deal of personal, emotional, psycho-spiritual and karmic issues that needs to be worked out. It is itself in a state of imbalance, and tries to redress this by projecting its issues onto others outside of itself.



>>> If spirit attachment is as common as some people claim it to be, how can we know when any kind of choice is really the free choice of the person and not due to attachments? <<<


Although on one level, spirit attachment or intrusion is considered a karmic violation or free will, but on this physical plane, in physical incarnation, to sojourn into the denser planes of existence, requires that we 'throw in' and tie in our personal karma together with the 'whole lot'. It is a group game, so to speak.

Anytime your feel an emotion or think a thought, it sends out an energetic ripple through the ethers, attracting or encouraging some form of energetic connection with like-entities. Factor in the complex workings of free will, karma multi-dimensionality and time (over many incarnations), you could say that just about any choice we make, any thought we think, and emotion we feel, has at least some possibility and awareness of being 'shared' with others.

Looking at it positively, this is indeed the case with your own Guides & Helpers, Evolutionary Orientor, Council of Elders, Master Teachers and Guardian Angels; Having worked with, watched over, loved with and assisted you for the whole of your incarnation (and likely many others), you could rightly say that your present incarnation, is a group effort and group investment. In an auto race, you're the driver of the physical vehicle, but still part of the team of mechanics, managers, sponsors, etc, that are all part of the family cheering you on. The success of the race (incarnation), is the Group's success, as much as it is also yours.

Now, to address your question more directly :

As to how one may ascertain whether or not one's choice, emotion or thought is one's own, the answer is you cannot. Nor do you really need to. As Bruce (Moen) says, where does one consciousness end and another begin?

What you CAN and SHOULD do, is to, by clear, conscious effort and determination, clear your consciousness and energy field of intrusion and attachments as much as you can (there are many helpful practices for this, such as Vibrational State and Personal Energetic Task... Spirit Releasement Therapy is more suitable for severe cases (eg. on the brink of insanity, or where black magic or curses are involved) in which urgent assistance is called for).

Honoring, aligning and furthering oneself along the Clarification principle, by such processes as Byron Katie's INQUIRY process, is highly recommended for those wishing to enable clear headed, non-intrusion, truly free willed choices, thoughts and emotions. It is also a very powerful tool for personal karmic evolution. When you feel the urge to feel a certain emotion or think a certain thought, which may well be those of an Intruder, ask yourself with total honesty such questions as, "Why am I feeling this way? What motives might I have for feeling this? How might feeling this way help me? What other choices can I make that might be better? What do I really want? etc, etc."

With the Inquiry process furthering yourself along the Clarification principle, plus the frequent employment of helpful energetic exercises such as the (IIPC's) Vibrational State technique or (TMI's/Bruce Moen's) REBAL technique, or (Robert Bruce's) New Energy Ways (NEW) techniques, the majority of intruders will, due to energetic disharmony with their own lesser vibrations (caused by lesser intentions on their part), fall off, just like leeches uncomfortable with the flame (used to remove them). But such purely energetic practices only offer temporary relief, because if the psycho-spiritual karmic issue and energy that attracted them and encouraged the attachment remains, the intrusion and attachments will naturally return.


Of course, if we were to answer your question in a second way, it would be...

>>> If spirit attachment is as common as some people claim it to be, how can we know when any kind of choice is really the free choice of the person and not due to attachments? <<<


BY YOUR FREE WILL.
Meaning that when you are faced with a choice and there are many voices in your head (either metaphorically or literally), clear your head (using Inquiry process + Vibrational State exercise, etc), muster your emotional strength, listen to your intuition (wisdom of your own Higher Self + telepathic advice from Guides & Helpers), and CHOOSE WITH CLARITY AND STRENGTH.

THIS factor (whether your choice is made unconsciously or Consciously) is what separates the Free Will of the person from the influence of intruders and intrusion/attachment.

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William Baldwin's Healing Lost Souls :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/WilliamBaldwin/index.htm


Louise Ireland Frey's Freeing the Captives :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/LouiseIrelandFrey/index.htm

(a beautiful title, considering that the "captives" refers to not just the 'victim' of the attachment, but also the intruder, as attachment/intrusion is also a cry for help by the attached/intruding entity)


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Excerpt from Hilarion Fall Equinox Channeling 2001 on "Clarification".
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#Channelings


Jill: Hilarion, how can we claim our own personal power? How do we know what is true? What should we be looking for?

Hilarion: It is an interesting way to approach things when you ask those questions as if the answers are inherently definable. Because the answers come from within you. They are the energies that you make in your being by practice. It's like asking "How do you walk?" You put one foot in front of the other and you fall down a lot. And from this you eventually find the way. And so you must learn to love more powerfully, more deeply. And from this you will find the energy that manifests as inner personal power. Why? Simple process of elimination, isn't it? You know the aspects of fear or ego aren't going to necessarily build your own personal power in a way that's ultimately viable and helpful to others, nor ultimately, even to yourself. In addition, however, what you discover through all of this is the nature of personal power. And that's really difficult. Because you thought perhaps that it meant this or that, and this process allows you to recognize its true power. And it is simple. It is in the manifestation of the process of inquiry as opposed to the process of attachment. It is in the way in which you are willing to speak a personal truth even if you do not know how it connects to everything. Because you are in the process of inquiring about it. Why is that happening with me? And what does it mean with regards to you? It's certainly better than recognizing that it owns you as then you are furious or you are very frightened or you are feeling very ashamed. Yet when you speak it, you know it, you begin the process of inquiring and open the door to change it. And so therefore, would it not be likely, Hilarion, that if you maintain the process of inquiry one hundred percent, never falling for the illusion, never accepting attachment to what seemingly is, that you manifest total personal power? Yes. That seems clear and very confusing. Because then you don't have an absolute truth, do you? Yet you have a great way-shower in this regard. Albert Einstein spoke of this when he described the general theory of relativity: that everything is relative to everything else, there is no absolute reference in the universe. That is the great truth, you see. And so the truth to know is the willingness to accept that as the aspect that tells you to inquire, to look, to understand. Gradually this naturally sows the seeds for the manifestation of that personal power. That's the other side to it, you see. It isn't enough simply to gather that power to you, you must also do something with it. And that is the process of shift that is being shown to you by the guides and helpers from all levels now. The shift from consolation into clarification, the aspect by which people will become more evolved. Clarification means becoming clear. Seeing clearly, knowing the evolution, acting through transparency, awareness and honesty. What we stated before: no excuses anymore for being unconscious. If you then hold the idea that indeed at the core level inquiry is better than attachment, you have thrown away your life saver to unconsciousness. You have gravitated very clearly to a level of consciousness that will be with you if you allow it. Sorry that we can't answer the question more directly because its true answer is invitation, not another dictation.

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Wishing you a good day,

Kyo
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm

I can't explain it very clearly, but I can tell you what has worked for me.

When I am attacked and my energy is being affected, it's because the attacker has some weird intent, not because the attacker is thinking "I want his energy."  

For example, this old psychic man was very jealous of me because I became close friends with some of his former friends (I should of heeded their warnings about the old man but I was naive).  He was on disability, and he would sit in the same place for days at a time pouting; talking to himself and his so-called "spirit guides" about what a jerk I was, how I let him down, how I hurt his feelings, and all sorts of weird stuff.  

His energy affected me and people around me in a bad way.

I walked in on his "spirit guide" conventions a few times and ended the friendship.  That wasn't hard because he was really weird.  Anyways, that's when I realized how he was affecting me, and what to do about it.  When I felt the negative effects of his energy on me I would focus on those parts of my body with positive energy, pretty colors, or anything good; it was an instant remedy.  The point is, don't try to send energy back, don't put up an "energy wall" to block attacks, and don't focus on your anger.  You will only become more vulnerable.  Find a way to focus on yourself (not the negative energy) and I bet most of your troubles will go away.

A couple more things:
If a very psychic person were to help you during one of your attacks, they would see a certain point on your body (be it your physical or energy body) that was weak, damaged, under attack, etc., and they would concentrate their healing energy there.  On you.  That's what you should do , concentrate your energy on yourself.  If you concentrate on the bad spirit/energy, you will surely attach it to you(I know some people who do that on purpose, so they can deal with the spirit/energy at home.  I think they are wasting their time).

When you spirit travel, stay focused on what you are doing and what you need to do.  You will run into negs at times and you shouldn't have to remind yourself that they can't hurt you.  Stay focused on your perogative and you'll forget they were ever there.  Stay focused and you'll never run into them (okay, almost never).

Remember that psychic attacks don't defend you, they make you vulnerable.  

Finally, learn to use rocks or water or smoke or circles of rocks or odors or some of the other popular tools for protection and empowerment.  I don't use them but they seem to help a lot of other people (sometimes bad people use those "tools" to make their attacks more effective, they're the ones you have to watch out for.  Those tools make better defense than offense anyways).

Good luck.

Tolvor-

I have had a few similar experiences since I experience sleeping paralysis and so does my brother and sister, although I am the only one who has ever done any energy work or anything "weird."  

In my case, I just left my physical body for a while and suddenly got pulled back to my physical body so it can wake up (usaully because I'm hungry.  It's irritating because I can't sleep until I eat a little, happens every night.)

Sometimes I remember what happened, sometimes I don't.  

The only times I experience paralysis is if I do energy work right before sleeping and leave my body unconsciously.

One time I woke up inside my mattress, looking at my box spring.  When I realized where I was, I snapped back into my paralyzed body and some general feeling of "fear" drove me out of my trance.

I think the fear is just the body's reaction to feeling "pinned down" against the bed, the way paralysis feels.  It's very heavy and immobilizing.

By the way, the only successful OOBE attempts I've had were involuntary, so if you figure things out a little better, let me know.

quote:Originally posted by LJ57

I have trained for astral projection for the past 5 or so years with minimal success. (I haven't ever had a real experience that I can recall.) However, recently I have had alot of episodes of sleep paralysis. A few night s ago I started going into conscious sleep paralysis and eventually willed myself out of it. I did this a total of three times while trying to go to sleep. Eventually I just got up and watched TV for about an hour before going back to sleep undisturbed. I want to continue with pursuing astral projection but the sleep paralysis is difficult to deal with. Should I be trying to just let it happen and attempt projection from sleep paralysis or should I take different steps. I do feel like I have made alot progress over the years and I certainly don't want to hinder myself now.