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Weird.

Maybe a husband who doesn't really understand where the chastity belt is suppose to go?! []

"Oh, my...!" Captain Kirk of the Star Ship Enterprise, as he gazed into the beyond, slowly closed his eyes and went off to explore it.

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Were there no deaths at the Pentagon.  I thought people died, so how was it evacuated?

Fear causes consumption on some things but not others.  Did you not notice for example how several economies had a very hard time since 9/11?

If you really want consumption to take off, security, confidence is what makes it go.  The only time I have seen stock markets go down is when there is a threat of some sort and fear enters the game.

Then again, I know very little about economics so I could be wrong.  Just the impression I have been given.

Logorat, I didn't say that I believe everything I see on television or what the government tells us.  I do believe that there are conspiracies going on.  For example, I believe that the whole Iraq thing was a conspiracy and that America is now in the ownership of the Saudis.  It is based on some of the things that I have heard on various documentaries, where former journalists, CIA people, etc were interviewed - I mean highly credible people.  So I do believe in conspiracies.

However, I think there is lot of nonsense out there that is being sold to people as reality based on half-truths, innuendos, etc.  They create the illusion of reality when it is not.

For example, you mention that the government keeps things from the public.  That somehow that implies that some conspiracy is at hand.  It may be so, but it would seem more probable to me to suggest that maybe the government is privy to things which if released may cause more damage.  For example, the government may want to hold back information to protect the identity of spies, to give the impression that they are still in a position of power, etc.  It may be as simple as that.  It may be more.  The thing is that you have to consider simpler truths/possibilities before you accept the stranger possibilities.

Gee, and I had thought that I had made several good points![] [)]

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So now its not a missile, as in the first conspiracy theory, its a truck loaded with explosives! [}:)]  The first conspiracy says that the missile went through, I think it was to the fourth inner ring and even showed a hole but of course it was a missile that caused the hole not the nose of a jet.  The second conspiracy now has us to believe that none of the inner circle was touched, just the outer wall. In the second conspiracy they show a truck placing sand on the ground and they suggest this is to cover up something, however they don't say when the picture was taken.  Was it taken hours after the explosion or weeks later as part of the rebuilding process.

Here is where the plane went, it INCINERATED INTO A BILLION LITTLE BITS.  That is why it cant be found, it disintegrated and disintegration means making something really huge, into tiny little bits maybe into nothing.  Even in the second conspiracy when they write down what the authority figure says, he states that he doesn't know where the plane went but some small pieces were found, therefore, confirming in my opinion, that there was a plane there.  But we are not meant to believe that part, just the parts that suggest some big government conspiracy.

One more thing, don't you hate how these conspiracy theoriests never actually tell you point blank what they think it really is and who they are and what qualifications they have to make such judgements about the physics of this whole thing.  Me thinks this is some pimply, 17 year old dork in goth cloths sitting in some dark room who hasn't got anything better to do.

One more question, why is it that on a site like this there isn't a rolling eyes smilie?  MMM...?  [}:)] []

I love conspiracy theories, and mystery novels/movies, fantasy, etc.[]

I agree with Euphoric Sunrise.  Its flashes of images which we can not test out.  

For example, go back and have a look at those plane crashes in the fields.  First of all notice that they have not shown images of planes in buildings, but planes in open fields.  Nevertheless, even these if you look at them, despite the fact that they have wings, etc, they make very narrow needle shape destruction on the ground.  The plane going into the pentagon would have done exactly that, like a bullet going through a body causing a very sharp narrow path of destruction.

Secondly, all you see is images of the officials carrying things away, and we are suppose to believe that that is the hidden missile, but thats just an assumption.  Maybe they were carrying away pieces of the plane, maybe they carried out hundreds of pieces but this just shows us one picture, implying that they found the missile piece and hid it.

Thirdly, the missing videos that the agents took away so quickly.  Really, if they weren't in there quickly, what is the bet that people would be using those videos to make money or that they would get taped over or lost.  They were vital pieces of evidence and I would have accused them of incompetence if the hadn't done it.

Finally, they seem to have a clip of the plane going into the building and yet we are to believe all video pieces disappeared, well there is obviously one that got away.  That aside, if they had the ability to make off with a piece of video I suggest they also had a chance and technology to enlarge the photo in such a way as to show us exactly what flew into the pentagon.

One more thing I just thought of, the pilots, who is to say that they were not pretending to be dumb for the purposes of not exposing their real intentions.  One more thing, what happened to all those people on that flight and their families when they didn't come home.

Personally, I think it is an insult to the families who lost loved ones.  Its not bad enough that they lost them but now they have to sit through nonsense like this.

I would have to see a lot more evidence than this to believe that some conspiracy took place.

ANT, its not the number of books that you have read that makes you wise or an expert, its what you understood of them and how you use that knowledge thats important.

Secondly, I never said that science is perfect.  It has its limitations and weaknesses, one of which is that it can be influenced by the person who is running the research.  However, there is no such thing as a perfect way or method of understanding Reality in its entirety.  Its not that science is perfect, its that it is the more stable forms of enquiry that we have.  By all means, I agree with you, science has faults, so please tell us of a form of study which is perfect then.  One which is not easily manipulated by egos, profit, etc.

UPSTREAM, I am still not clear, you mean to say that women shouldn't do science because they are too busy socialising and are culturally set up to not think clearly?  Is this as opposed to men who stand outside any cultural influences and are not socially conditioned?  Is that what you mean?  I take it that you are male, then.  I am also curious why you would be interested in gaining attention by trying to hook people - women primarily.  Are you not capable of gaining attention from women by open, honest methods, that you need to ridicule them?  I won't bother punching you, since I feel so sorry for you and your inadequacies.  [xx(]

Frank, is that the famous missing Frank.  Welcome back.

Ant, I can understand why you may be feeling negatively about science but I have to say that I am offended by this idea that science is the domain of some hard, cold, cruel, biased, cynical, etc, people.  I studied at university along with many people on this board.  Do not confuse science with cynical sceptism.  Science is nothing more than a tool, in the same way that money is a tool.  If the person who is using science is a fool or egotistical or angry with the world, etc, then how they interpret their results is also going to be affected.  That is why science also demands repeatability by other scientists, so that several scientists with different viewpoints, can test any idea out to see what is true and what may be false.

I keep saying this, unless someone has a better idea on how to objectively verify information, please let us know.  I mean how else do you know the truth of something?  Do you just believe everything you hear?  When a woman stabbed her child to death because she saw its eyes glowing and she knew it was a demon child, is it true that it was a demonchild or is that she is mentally disturbed?  I believe that some of what Susan Blackmore is saying may have some basis in truth but I also think that she is ignoring certain things, for reasons only she can know.  It is not fair to her that we are nasty to her as much as it is not fair that some people choose to do character assassinations of scientists who are on the pro-side of the debate.  It does not help the debate, it just ruins careers and causes even more division.

Upstream, please tell me that this is a problem of language and its not a sexist remark. [B)]  I will have to punch you up if you are saying that women shouldn't be doing science! [:O][]

quote:Blackmore is the bad example when woman doing science.

Looks interesting.  I love the raindrops, especially since we haven't had rain in a such a long time. It felt funny reading the trailer as I have a similar story in mind for a novel.  How did they know?! []

I have seen the site before but have never had a chance to sit down and read it properly.  So busy I'm feeling more like a droid these days. [B)]  Nice to see someone else checking these sites out. []

It took a while but I got it, thing is you can tell what its about simply by the drawing itself, ie, lots of tongues and breasts if you ask me.  Rather Freudian if you know what I mean.

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If everybody was naked and nobody cared or paid attention to you being naked, would you still dislike it?

Yes, I would still dislike it.  Thats exactly what I am saying, even if I had absolutely no uncomfortable feelings about being seen, etc, I still wouldn't like it.  I don't like the physical feeling of nakedness in the same way some people don't like the feeling of cloths on their bodies.  I like the feeling of materials on my skin.

Sahlyn, thanks for the link.

I also have suffered for years with migraines, anxiety and intestinal problems.  Doctors have been useless, except for low iron and a high score for inflamation somewhere in my body, they haven't been able to tell me anything else.  If anything they made things worse.  Between the ages of 14 to 28, four days out of EVERY week was devoted to migraines.  I would take four panadeines in a hit and it wouldn't move it a bit, I even had pethadeine and it didn't do anything.  No doctor ever advised me about the effects of Candida or diet etc.  They would just tell me to go home and live with it.

Then when I was around 28, a friend suggested that maybe my bowel was just getting blocked up and I needed to eat more fibre and drink more water.  I tried it and the migraines now only occur when I haven't been good, ie, I miss meals or don't eat fruit or don't drink enough, etc.  It got so bad that I stopped working, going out with friends, etc, and ended up on welfare.  I have only started to recover in the last couple of years.  Twenty-five wasted years. [][!]

My suggestion to you is to start focussing on what makes it worse and better as your guide.  Try drinking a couple of litres of water each day, no coffee or chocolate, make sure you eat three full meals with little fats, salts or sugars, eat lots of veges and a few fruits all spaced out throughout the day.  Also invest in Acidophillus capsules, they can have an incredible positive effect.

Honestly, don't get down about it because you will find the answer, its just a matter of time and running a few of your own tests and most of all don't make an enemy of your body.  Your body is doing the right thing, in a bad situation.  You have to figure out what the situation is.  Trust your body.

Hold on folks, what if Lighthouse is being serious!

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runlola, and I suppose it has nothing to do with voyuerism, nudists are just high idealists are they? lol [][]  It did occur to me, that materials are not plucked out of thin air, materials are of the earth as is concrete.  If nakedness makes everyone equal and equality is what you seek, then remember two things, not all are born equal physically and secondly, equality can equally be gained by being totally covered as Muslim women are, or various traditions, ie, Christian/Buddhist nuns.

I don't have anything against nakedness, I am shy to some extent but mostly, I hate the feel of my flesh in bare wind.  I like the feel of material on my skin, like satin, or flanelette when I feel cold and in need of comfort, cool cotton on a warm day, etc.  For me, nakedness, even for the purpose of going swimming or having a shower is something uncomfortable.  I mean this in a sensual way, not in a moral way.  It just doesn't do anything for me.

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I didn't know there was one either.  Could someone put up some details on how to get there, ie, link?

I think having a regular scheduled time is good also.  Maybe send a pm to everyone to let them know.  I go to one on another site on Sunday nights and because its advertised a lot, there are usually five to fifteen people on it.

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Hi,

I haven't voted yet as I would like to think about it longer.  What I write here is by way of reply but it is also me thinking out loud about the issue, be warned some fluff headed your way. []

I wanted to talk about a similar situation on another site and what has occured there as an example of what I think will occur here if this comes through.

This other site is a support group for people with anxiety, I am one of those who suffer this problem occasionally.  I joined the site when it had started to pick up members in larger numbers.  There was a lot of the longer joined members who had become accustomed to being part of the smaller group.  They had advanced in their healing as well so they felt out of place with all these new members.  To make matters even more difficult for these people, there was a sudden surge of young people joining so that the more mature people felt like they were losing their place.

The admin decided to create two forums, one remained a main board area where everyone could still visit while the other became a special site for those over 30.  Initially, few went to the 30+ group, but then suddenly it picked up members and pace.  Now if you go to the site, the groups are very clearly defined.  The main board which was for everyone is almost entirely made up of teenagers while the other is made up of 25+ approx.  The teenagers are getting very little in terms of advice, information, wisdom, etc.

Within the 30+ group, someone posted a thread which has become a little social niche.  Now even within that forum, there are people who do not visit outside that thread.  They get onto the computer and go straight through 'history' to select that specific thread.  So that there have been divisions within divisions.

I think it is false to think that this will not create division since its specific aim is to cause division.  Knowing the result on the other site, suggests to me that the same will happen here, that the less experienced will end up on the 'no fee' board while the more experienced will end up moving onto the other 'fee paying' area.  I don't think it will destroy AP but it will become one big 'fluff' site, it will loose credibility because any serious thinker who comes across AP will see the 'fluff' threads and think it to be not worthwhile.  However, I do understand how frustrating it must be for the more experienced members on both sites to be stuck having to sift through new members and 'fluff' posts.    

Personally, I wouldn't join this new forum as I don't have credit cards.  I also don't want to make it so easy for myself to become one of those people who thinks I am above or beyond others.  On the other site, I still visit the main board to answer questions of teenagers and although I visit the 30+ site more frequently, I haven't joined any of the niche groups.  There is just something so - well, human about wanting to form little groups of 'I's' as opposed to 'thems'.

MMMmm...I will tell you what, when Jesus, Ghandi, Mohammad, Buddha, etc, get together and form a special group for themselves because the rest of us are just too many and too 'fluffy' for them to cope, I will think this a brilliant idea.  Ooh, [:O] I think I just made up my mind.  I think its a 'no'. [xx(][]

Then again, the more experienced do deserve some special place of their own where they can unwind, be themselves and in their element, so to speak.  What to do, what to do...maybe, form a free forum for those who are very active, long term members, ie, 1000 posts and two years membership before being allowed into this special area.  Not sure about this.

By the way, the other site continues to succeed despite these divisions, in a way it made them even more successful.  Maybe, people will just adjust.  Maybe I should vote yes!  [}:)][]

Why are you asking me, I'm a Libra!  Never ask a Libra to make a decision!  []  Oh God, more fluff.  Sorry to those of you who bothered to read all of this.[:I]

People like you disgust me!!!

Its not bad enough that some of us aren't getting any but we have to sit here and read about how good your conquests are![!]

Disgusting!!!

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Off the topic,

EOL007 thanks for the various prayers.  They were amazing to read and gave me a sense of peace reading them.  I think I will print them up and stick them on my door to remember as I wake up each morning.

Peace and prayers to all.

Once again my faith in the Church is reaffirmed. I've never had any doubt that where an organisation comes under the branding of a Church, you can guarentee that one deity is worshipped above all others - the Holy Dollar.

- James.


That is why I love my being Greek and Greek Orthodox, we know how to deal with our 'Church'.  We love our ceremonies and our priests, they are part of our identity but at the same time we love to hate them.  Many Greeks still remember betrayals by the priests during war times, etc.  They also are aware of the fact that priests like position, power and money.  Bitching about our local priest is a preoccupation but at the same time, if anyone outside the Church said a bad word about it, look out, we would die defending it and we have in history.  Sort of a strange arrangement.  

My suggestion to you is do not go about putting up posters.  Think long term, maybe ten years, and depend on word of mouth.  If people think that your gifts are real and of value then word will spread.  In God's time not yours.  As frustrating as it may be. []

I am a full-time carer to my parents.  I did study to uni level in psychology/sociology but I couldn't go onto higher levels because of family demands.  May go back in the future.

I took a quick glance at the homepage.  

Throughout history people have taken things to evoke a God experience, ie, Kava is used by pacific islanders, psychedelics were used and studied by Stanley Grof, etc.  In this regard there is little new in this.  

Personally, I don't like external forces to induce my brain chemistry experiences.  I mean, this helmet may bring about a God experience but it may also bring about a psychosis.  I don't see any disclaimers by the academics involved.  Only 150 have used these helmets.  What have been the longterm benefits and problems.  What will be the state of these people's brains and minds in twenty years?  What effect does the helmet have on people with mental illness?  Etc...

I don't trust what I am reading because these scientists don't sound ethical in what they are presenting.  I would want to wait several years before I tried one of those brain helmets and the fact that they are encouraging people to purchase and use those helmets without some kind of medical or scientific approval or backup worries me.

On another point.  I could be wrong because I didn't read all of the website, but from what I read they are focussed on feelings of experiencing God.  I mean they look at things like deja vu feelings, feelings of experiencing presences, etc.  They don't for example, go into things like remote viewing or mediumship where very specific information is given that the psychic or receiver could not possibly know the information.  Its just too easy to say that its all in the brain and ignore evidence that suggests that there are some things that could not have come from within.

Susan Blackmore of CSICOP does the same thing.  She has written a book where she suggests that experiences of OBEs/NDE are all in the brain chemistry of the person who is experiencing death.  However, she ignores the fact that many people who have died and come back are actually able to report specific details of happenings which they could not have known as they happened away from the dying person.

The whole tone of the website is demeaning, unethical and onesided.  I had a funny vision of this 'academic' as a small-minded skeptic, dressed up as a fundamentalist, dressed up as a scientist.  Because they don't really believe in God and yet they feel they have a right to discuss the subject, because they discuss it as if they know the Ultimate truth about people's experience and the rest of us are deluded and they believe drawing on their credentials as 'scientists' will give them an air of authority.

I would approach them and their helmet with caution.

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It can mean different things for me.  When I connect with someone psychically who is suffering something so that I become emotionally, empathically (spelling ?) connected to them, it takes me time to disconnect from them and become 'myself' again.  I tend to have to do things like go for a walk, spend time reading or being alone, fishing, etc.  Things away from connecting with people and connecting with people.

I also have a tendency to 'float', not only because I tend to be low in iron [] but I tend to spend a lot of time in altered states.  I don't meditate because I find it makes it worse, and if I do, I tend to meditate for short periods and when I come out of it, I will do things like wash my hands and feet, drink water, sit on the grass, etc.  It sort of clears the fuzziness from my head.

Generally, I think grounding is a term used to represent a state of returning to a more ordinary state of being.  MMMmmm...wonder if you could apply it to the person trying to recover from an alcohol binge the night before? []