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Did you try half.com? It has been bought by ebay but it still exists.

I don't have any experience in this, I thought someone would give a technical answer by now, what I ask is: did you try them? The other thought is that since they originally used a difference in the beat between the ears maybe you do not need the highest resolution to get that. By now they may be using other things in the music, but it seems like beat frequencies should not need the highest resolution.

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My question is, how can I stop myself from "getting lost in the trance" if you understand what I mean. How can I maintain awareness while still in the trance.

I'm not sure if you are getting lost, maybe the problem is that you are not getting anywhere? At one time I tried to project and would get into a trance, experience all the vibes and heart pumping but just did not get any further ,even though I could stay in this state an hour. Most of the time I would use the interupted sleep technique and project after falling back to sleep. After finally going through my first concious projection where I maintained awareness through the whole experience, it felt like I was a thousand miles away from my body, whereas when I didn't obe I was still very much 'in' my body.Somehow the intensity of the whole thing keeps you focused on the body, when you should be taking your awareness elsewhere.

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I have only expirenced the heavy vibrations that time, and about a few others. What is the best way to "induce them" as my best attempts at projecting have occured when I have expierenced the heavy vibrations and rocking feeling. It seams as if I can will them to happen byself, but I am having difficulty. Once they do occur, I am able to make them increase, or ease up a bit to my liking.

You don't really 'need' the vibrations, they are just a sign of what is happening. The best thing about them is they do wake you up when you are sleeping.
You ought to try your techniques using the interupted sleep technique-wake up after 6 hours of sleep. Somehow getting into trance and falling asleep puts you into a state where spontanious projections can occur.
As far as methods go, I like the falling one-just feel what it is like to fall down in an elevator-what you want to do is get used to the feeling of your astral self seperating from youir body.
Sounds like you are 99% of the way there. good luck.

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this may seem silly, but try crawling away from your physical. I mean that in a literal sense too. Try and get turned over to what ever side of the bed, couch...etc., that is closest to the floor and reach your astral arms out and clutch that carpet

if you think about this, it seems illogical that you could grab the physical, but it works! Once i was stuck behind a wall, stuck my arms through and pulled myself through. It seems like if I could get my arms through I could get the rest through, and if my arms got through there should not be anything to grab onto, maybe this is all just a mental exercise.

RB mentioned it in astral dynamics but I seem to be the only one at this site that experiences more projections the week before and a couple days after the full moon.

Well this is third time I referenced this thread today:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13551
Trying to get beyond obe phantoms is not easy, there seems to be a continume between obe's and lucid dreams and maybe we can get beyond it by concentration.

It sounds like you reached some kind of trance state. Keep trying, you are in the right territory.

I agree, what we really need is the intermedeate guide to obe's. The best info I have found on this site is the early posts of Frank and this thread,
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13551 , which I thought of reposting as how to improve and be more aware during OBE's. Probably any kind of chakra work will help, but how to focus our awareness while OBE is just as helpful.

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So are OBEs and APs experienced during meditation always completely lucid?No memmory loss at all?
I hope so

Memory loss seems to be related to how long you stay out, according to RB you should make your first obe's short, lucidity I think is related to how aware you are, whether you  have dream imagery and are overcome by it during your experience,see this topic for more info,
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13551
If you try after 6-7 hours of sleep you may still get enough sleep and have the advantage of interupted sleep. You know this is all theory until you try something and then we can give more info.

I gues both methods have good and bad things with the method, I would try them both to see what works. The advantage of interupting your sleep -maybe after 6 hours-is that you could do some kind of focusing technique as  you lay there going back to sleep, since you have gotten most of your sleep requirement for the night you may be able to project into an obe or not sleep as deep and have a better chance of being lucid in your dreams. Maybe if you have trouble with going back to sleep just wake an hour earlier than you usual would and try thr techniques then.

The problem I had with the meditation based approach was that I could get real close to projecting but I think that since I was awake I had some degree of fear that held me back. I think you do have less fear when in the sleep mode but you do have to overcome dream intrusions, however there are ways to increase your lucidty.
 
Try them and let us know what works.

This doesn't sound good, were you partially out of your body? do you have obe's when you relax?

"by the time a man can read a woman like a book,
he is too old to collect a library"
I just found this one on the internet yesterday. Check out the anarchist librarians-http://www.librarian.net/ http://wired.com/news/print/0,1294,64945,00.html , http://www.infoshop.org/library2/stories.php
http://www.jessamyn.com/naked/

# 1, I happened spontaniously, I don't know if I am successful yet, and for #2 I think the best is the interupted sleep technique.
Maybe the lack of sucess part is that you can't compare your experiences to the people that right books.

Hi Icosa,interesting post. Did this just happen 2-3 days ago? I had an experience where I exited and was immeadiatly sucked downward at a rapid speed and ended up on some table and was looking up at some kind of symbol. It was somewhat dark in there and I felt creeped out so I woke up. My memory of the astal wind from the AD book is more of a gentle wind, not high velocity at all.
The only other times I have experienced something like that is going into an astral entry tunnel, maybe I felt it briefly then I was someplace else.
Hav you similar sensations when you go into the grid?

I don't know about immedeate self -improvement, but I took a dream workshop from a tibetian lama and he said the purpose of lucid dreaming is to develop our awareness- the dream state is similar to after death in that we need to cultive awareness and realize that a lot of what we see is a manifestation of our mind and cutting through the delusion and controlling our mind is the goal of the practice.

Leyla, sounds like you have dove deep into the mythos. It is interesting that the grey's have somewhat of a resemblence to sperm.

Thanks for the reply, upstream. I'm sure the chemical brain has something to do with obe vision. However i'm sure that when we focus on the brow chakra it is stimulating brain chemicals too. A few interesting facts i've come across- I heard a Dr. Sraussman talk about DMT on coast to coast last friday, http://www.rickstrassman.com/ , he said that the pineal is at it's most active at 2-4 am. Maybe that is why the interupted sleep technique works so well, most people would probably wake about 4 or so. Also take into consideration Buddhism-the tibetians do a lot of meditation with the brow chakra, the zen and southern schools follow the breath mostly. If you look at their art it is the tibetians that have the wild astral-psychedelic look. Maybe it comes from the brow chakra?
As for myself I realized that I don't get hypnogogic images, just weird sounds and the seperation buzz. So maybe I am naturally deficient in the right chemicals for good OBE sight? Hopefully not for long, seems like my brow is pretty stimulated theese days and my obe vision is improving.
In the OBE state I have always been attracted to lights- I guess is more appealing than the shadows- and I tried staring at the stars in an experience I had a couple days ago, but my vision seemed to tumble away as soon as I fixated on one. Any other techniques out there to stabilize the experience?

Upstream, There is a lot of good info in this topic, somehow it relates to having a quality OBE experience, which seems to be lacking in a lot of projectors. A few questions-
Is the complaint of not seeing things lit up, not being able to move, just a part of the RTZ and not the astral? These things seem to happen when I don't seem to have enough 'energy' to reach the astral.
What part do the chakras have in these ideas? I equated the problems I had with a lack of awareness, sometimes the awareness now mantra seemed to work, sometimes staring at objects seemed to help, but last night I had a lenghthy OBE and came back to a place near my house but I had such brow chakra energy I had really good sight. Unfortunately my wife moved at this point and woke me. Maybe my brow chakra development/activity is borderline for having  exceptional OBE experiences?
I know that Casteneda talked about silencing the inner dialog, but people report that they have better OBE's when they keep a dialog going. Could this be a focusing technique, just like focusing on an object or awareness now! ?

Is there a pattern to the dreams? I have a friend who has recurring dreams of being in a moving car, he feels it is an analogy for how he is in control of his life- sometimes he is behind the wheel and everything is good, one time he told me he was in the back seat, there was no driver and the car was heading down a winding road with no barricade! I guess you could figure out what that means. If you could figure out the meaning you would have recurring feedback about some aspect of your life.
If you are interested in becoming lucid you could probably use it as a way to be aware that you are dreaming.

I can't really say what I saw but it was a symbol, not a face-actually now that I think about it they made faces in symbols too. It was one of those intuitive hits where the first thing that came to me after waking was it was Mayan. I suppose this is as trustworthy as asking someone in the experiencewhere you are, since maybe they could make it up?

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Maybe it has already been said, but I think you should just charge the ten dollars for access to any or all of the forums as they are.

As long as it is just ten dollars for the whole year and not a monthly charge, I think it would be the best bargain on the web.

Sounds similar to what I said before, with the option that mabe a person could access the site free for a limited time. Too bad no one commented.  Also maybe we could give students a free ride?

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've reached a point where I don't care about reaching my goal immediately. The pushing of the mind to maintain awareness and meditation has been very rewarding in growth toward states of mind I've been unfamiliar with, and I'm sure there's more coming up in the future to learn and discover. Besides, eventually my defenses are going to eventually have to screw up and let me out of body

Maybe this forum could use this as a standard reply to the perpetual question about I think I had vibes but I didn't project and really how close was I?
Could you lower volumne on the tape? Maybe say I am asleep and aware? You know if it wakes you up you could try the interupted sleep technique.

I also project mostly after going to sleep, only doing it from the trance state a couple of times. It seems like to go from trance to projection you have to be really really relaxed, with the feeling of being aware but your body is miles away. Too often people give in to the dream state first or have too many fears present. Somehow getting into projection from being asleep bypasses theese problems, if you are able to do it this way.

I also think that materialistic society is a cult. Unfortunately people are such sheep that they are easily suckered by some group promising them enlightenment or world domination. Speaking of world domination, how much closer to nazi germany will the US be after 4 more years of Bush?
I was a member of a new age community in the late 70's that bordered on being a cult. Unfortunately the place was theocratic rather than democratic, which led to the leadership pretty much following the word of the demiguru. Unfortunately the demiguru got sued for sex harrasment and the community took a big financial hit. People could hang around for a year or so without falling totally into the mindset of the leader, but it soon became apparent that the unwritten rule (along with the written ones of no dogs and no drugs) was no questions!
Although it was a good place to live and a great group of people, except for their weakness for the demiguru, I found it impossible to submit so I moved down the road.

That reminds me that I was going to comment on the fact that since the obe experience is automatic for some people, there seems to be a way for it to override the requirement for a person to be relaxed for it to happen. Anyone who has bad experiences must be not so relaxed about it.  To have it even happen at work- I rarely have even a lucid dream when I am not at home.