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Earlier I got to the point where my body started to try to get me to move.  I ignored it, and it got worse until it was quite excruciating, and then the feeling of heaviness set in.  By this point my body felt hard to define.  However, I wasn't able to project, I tried doing rope and although I did feel my energy double tug a bit, it didn't come out.  I think I'm still too focused on the physical body when I do this, I need to get to the point where I don't feel it at all.

Someone should make a list of the different levels experienced in focus 10 so they know what would be the best point to try projecting from.  Just having the physical body asleep doesn't seem to do it for me.

This link from the occult forums has several downloads which can be viewed on adobe, several of which are rituals which allow one to meditate with the archangels.

http://www.occultforums.com/showpost.php?p=41534&postcount=3

Please note that some of the tools and aspects of this ritual (such as having an alter, a robe, etc.) aren't absolutely necessary, though they do help.  Basically, you need to get the same essence down, as the practice of magic is largely internal, and the better you get the easier it will be able to connect with entities.

Your a genius Cube. []

This has actually happened to me quite a few times, I would get an overwhelming urge to move, swallow, or scratch an itch, and then  mess up any possibility of attaining a full trance state by giving in.  Now that I know what this is, I'm going to give it a try.

Well, I tried this just this morning and wasn't able to project, though I did have quite a few unusually vivid dreams.  Part of the problem was that after getting up early and eating something, I was then too awake.  I didn't actually start to fall asleep until the 20 minute nap, and by then I accidentally pressed a button on the alarm that turned off the timer and screwed up the process.  I tried it later, and although my dreams were vivid I was too awake by that point.

I'm wondering, when you get up 2 hours early might it be a good idea to stay in bed and just go ahead and set the alarm for 5 minutes?  I know you'd be less alert, but it seems like getting up to eat only made me to awake, even though it was early.

AHH!!!

*falls off chair.*

*slowly peeks up over the desk to see if the evil, evil face is gone.*

Wearing earplugs helps me get into a trance state easier.  They still don't block out all sound though, especially when my family is blaring stupid music downstairs.  They're good in the beginning, but I think it would be a good idea to always set aside some training sessions without them so you don't get too used to the earplugs.  Actually, its the vibrations from the loud music that bugs me more so than anything, if I get into a trance state I feel like they're jarring my systems...

The way animals are treated in slaughterhouses is simply disgusting.  I'm not terribly worried about them being killed as long as it is done in a humane manner, but that rarely seems to happen.

I'm interested in seeing other rock formations on Mars that could look like something else, then comparing then to the face formation.

Clandestino, there were other people questioning Spectral and Michael besides Nay, just that they did in in a very different manner.

Anyway, I also do not agree with everything Michael has said.  I do think that Spectral is indeed mediating him, however I think that there may be other factors interfering.  Michael himself admitted that there could be negative entities interrupting the flow of information to Spectral.  Furthermore, since Spectral has to recieve the information through visions and then interpret it into the physical plane, there is much room for error.  The knowledge we bring back through the astral plane, whether through projections or dreams, has to be interpreted  and filtered to an extent in order to translate it into our physical existence.  Because of this, I'm quite certain that some of the answers were at least partly incorrect, and IMO, the answers for the face on Mars and Lemuria/Mu were most likely flat out wrong.

Ultimately, it will be far more beneficial to project into the astral and possibly meet with Michael yourself.  Or, you could do the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram and contemplate the Archangels afterwards.  I have been doing this lately, and I can feel a definte connection with them.  Actually, there was a pretty good thread about this on the occult forums.

http://www.occultforums.com/showthread.php?t=4061

But McArthur, what if all the fluff bunny new agers are right and the neg was in fact a poor little lost spirit who wanted to cuddle?  You might have just ate Kenny! []

*puts on Southpark voice* Oh my God!  He ate Kenny!  You b**tard!

It's not the smilies you just used, its the smug [^] smilies.  You use them frequently, and although it may not be your intention, it makes your posts seem very smug.

There were some things said on this thread (and the Fictional worlds thread), that I felt I needed to address.

quote:is Spectraldragon really projecting, staying awake & typing whilst mediating an arch-angel ?!!

Spectral is not the only person I have heard of who talks about maintaining dual awareness on the astralplane and the physical plane.  There are some magicians and mystics who also possess this ability.  At times when doing the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram, I myself have gotten impressions from the archangels which may have indeed been them trying to impart advice to me.  

For several years I heavily doubted Spectral's skill, partly due to my religious upbringing, but after he continually kept proving things to me I had to admit that something was going on.  Back when I first met him, I tested him out by having him watch at what I was doing through the astral while I stood at the other end of a house, focusing on my aura.  When he came back, he hold me that he saw my aura gather in close then stream upward, forming into a pillar that went upward, which was exactly what I had done.  Another time I was forming thoughtforms, and without any tips he saw me form a thoughtform that looked like one of those monsters from the movie Critters.  He saw it fly around the room and land on his shoulder.  Near the end, I closed my eyes, and visualized a ball with spikes forming in midair, which he also described in acute detail.  There were several other instances when he was able to observe the things in my room. Other times he surprised people at work, at one point he observed a woman coming in and taking off her coat although in a back room, much to the surprise of a friend of ours.

Also, I was present to observe some of the horrible events that lead up to his gaining skill at astral projection, and although inadvertant, it was easy to see how such experiences might force him to develop dual awareness.  In many ways it was more of a two-edged sword than anything.  I wont go into the specifics of what happened, as that is personal information, but needless to say it was far more intense "training" than what most people probably undertake in order to project.

Along with several other memberson here, I am really quite indebted to Spectral. Quite frankly, other than several things he has verified for me, I have seen precious little evidence for the astral in most posts here.  Furthermore, I might still be trapped in the Jehovahs Witness sect were it not for his help, something for which I am eternally gratefull.  

quote:Or, is he merely (I'm guessing here) a teenage American male, sitting at his computer, getting kicks from all the interaction on the Astralpulse ?!

I can understand why it would seem this way, but this is simply not the case.  First of all, Spectral is not a teenager.  I have been with spectral during many of these mediations, and it was easy to see that he was not simply doing this for kicks, and was concerned about whether or not it would serve to help others.  He did indeed become quite physically tired after some of his mediations.  I could also tell that he did not particularily enjoy doing it, but rather felt that he had too.  It is often not easy to get an accurate picture of someone's inner self and motives over the internet, seeing them in person is far different.  I have known him for over five years now, and now him better than just about anyone.  You may not believe me, but I will state once again that he is not trying to fool anyone.  The only real criticism I have of Spectral, is that he should have done this later after he had gotten more skill at writing and interpreting what Michael told him.

Nay, you keep saying that Spectral should take this (along with the fictional worlds topic) over to his own site where everyone will believe him.  There is actually not that much discussion of these two topics going on at Spectral's site, and as to whether most of the members believe it or not, I don't know, as we haven't really asked them.  The members aren't all people below the age of 19 either, some are much older than Spectral.  I myself am one year older than Spectral, and I am not his "follower" either, as I aim to be better than him one day. []

Also, one of the reasons Spectral is doing this here is because he does not want people swamping the website me and him created.  It is quite nice and peaceful right now, and we don't want it being swamped.  Oftentimes, forums begin to degrade in quality the more people there are posting on them.

Hmm, the thing is I like snakes, not scared of them in the least.

Actually, I think the only reason I dreamed this was because my mind remembered this one movie named Anaconda.

Unfortunately I have yet to consciously project, so I'm not sure how much help I can be.  

However, one way to be detached is to observe yourself, i.e. be the observer watching the observer.  Be conscious of your emotions as they come up, it will help you control them.  I know this sounds strange, but try it and you will see what I mean.  It is hard to do though.

Thats fine. []  I have more of an incentive to train now, I want to be able to fly freely like that again. [8D]

I too stumbled across Mysticweb when I first started researching astral projection.  It seemed interesting at first, and their exercises on astral projection were quite helpful, but more and more started bothering me the further I studied their teachings.  This Samael Aun Woer character claimed to be the avatar of the age of Aquarius, that he reformed the demon Belzebuub (who, according to him, looks like a big gorilla [B)]), that having a physical orgasm even once keeps you from enlightenment and causes your kundalini to descend, becoming the tail of Satan, and a whole bunch of other nonsense I wont mention here, all of it without any real objective evidence to back it up.  Not only that, but most of his methods are lifted from other traditions that did not hold his dogmatic beliefs.  It seems to me that his beliefs heavily influenced what he saw in the astral plane.  

I've also noticed that the moderators on the forum respond to just about every question with "Wait until the courses, you'll understand then."

I've been trying a similar ritual, except that this one is for Gabriel and faces different dirrections.  Although it seems simple, its actually more difficult than the Lesser Banishing Ritual.  I have yet to get it just right, but I'll post my experiences when I do.

I would also add that Michael stated the main reason he gives simple and cryptic answer is because he wants people to think deeply, and gain understanding on their own.  It could very well be argued that giving heavily detailed and complex answers doesn't give the listener as much incentive to explore things on their own.  Personally, I have found that mulling over some the answers in my mind, and reading inbetween the lines, has helped me on several levels.

I dunno, I think it looks like it could have once been a face, just that it got worn away by time.  Something about it still doesn't seem totally natural. Its hard to tell either way though.

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Hi Mactombs and thanks a bunch for reading through my chapter.  I found your suggestions to be very helpful. []

BTW, just in case you're interested, this chapter is from my story SpectralDragon explored in the fictional worlds topic.

He he, elaborating on that same thought, in 2012 I still will not be able to project, and thus not able to create my army of sexy amazonian thought-form babes. []

Hey, thanks a bunch for reading through this.  I'm not sure what you mean by the writing seeming straightforward though, could you elaborate a bit more?  Do you mean that its needs to be more descriptive? Also, what do you mean by cerebral?

Thing about this book is, I have finished it and revised it nearly eight times. []  I'm reaching a hard turning point where I want to get the book out, have gotten tired of working on it yet want to make it better, but cant figure out how to do it.  Ah well, I'll get it eventually.

You know Blackbox, I seem to recall you posting the exact same information earlier.

Other than your limiting the planes to 7, the things that Michael has been saying isnt in any particular disagreement with what you just posted, except that Michael stresses the fact that these 'planes' are far more fluid, numerous and complex than what is presented in most channelings.  In other words, he's trying to say that we shouldn't be dogmatic about things which are hard to understand from our physical perspective to begin with, and that utlimately we should find out about it on our own rather than relying on channeling sources that try to put everything into a neat little box.  I find that the way in which Michael presents this resonates well with me, as I had suspected that the reality of the various dimensions was probably far more complex than what is usually thought of.

Furthermore, you still haven't given any actual evidence that these densities are as you describe them, other than saying "the Cassiopeans and several other channelings say it is this way."  Besides, I seem to recall many other channelings, including Ra, making mention of the fact that there is more beyond 7th density.

As such, I don't feel that claiming Spectral is being afflicted by STDs, or STS or whatever simply because Michael presents this information differently from the Cassiopeans is a particularily valid criticism.

Round your thoughts again people time for more questions to be answered when I get off work tomorrow![]

(BTW this is Spectral Dragon, LOB forgot to sign off on my comp!)